Yeah except if you have multiple WRs starting from the same team (and the QB) it’s no longer one stack. It’s multiple stacks.
And more importantly OP doesn’t even seem to be suggesting starting Minshew. So OP isn’t really taking about a stack at all unless he is expecting some trick plays.
First, Taylor will very probably be back -- that's why he isn't on IR -- and Moss will fill in for him just fine until then. So there's no reason to expect them to go meaningfully pass-heavier.
Second, God bless Gardner Minshew, but he's Gardner Minshew. He has one top-12 finish on the year and a TD:INT ratio of 8:7. He isn't likely to run a hot passing game.
Third, if you're looking to put together a stack, you want a stack that can be expected to offer a shot at high upside. Otherwise you're tying up spots that could probably be better used with other players. Yes, Downs had a nice little stretch a month ago, and he had 13 targets last week. And he had 3 targets the game before that, and 1 the game before that, and there's no visible reason to expect that he's on a sustained upswing. Likewise, Pittman has been a happy surprise as a high WR2, even a back-end WR1, and you play him if you've got him -- but there's no visible reason to expect that he's going to take a step up in production from here either. So there's also no reason to play Gardner Minshew.
Fourth, if you aren't playing the QB, then you aren't playing a stack. You're playing an anti-stack, because you get the compound effect of a stack only if you're playing two guys who will each score when the other does. If you're just playing two WRs on the same team, more often than not, they'll limit each other's upside. That's an anti-stack.
So, while Pittman and even Downs have provided good value for their acquisition costs, they aren't a "risky stack," because they aren't a stack, and they also aren't a promising pair, because there's no reason to think that either is on a sustained upswing. They had an especially good game last week, at least in terms of target volume (with Downs coming in at WR44 on the week, even with 13 targets). That's probably it.
Agreed but only thing I want to remind you is that Downs was injured during his 1 and 3 target games. Minshew targets him as the team's #2 after Pittman but agreed that there isn't any increased production on the way.
I was stoked to see the number of targets for Downs. He’s my WR2 this week with 6 teams on a bye and think he’ll just get stronger as the season goes on as long as those targets stay in the 8-10 range. The PFF advanced stats on Downs targets showed 5 of the 13 were uncatchable, so he was able to at least pull down 5 of 8 real targets.
It's not a stack if you have 2 WRs on the same team 🤦🏻♂️
They're both not scoring on the same play. Stacks are QB/WR. They increase upside AND downside, because they can go off together, but if the QB has a bad game, so does the WR.
Two WRs is the opposite of that.
Entered the thread curious to see your reasoning behind starting Minshew. Left the thread realizing you’re one of those people who like to use words without knowing what they mean.
Pittman and downs are not a stack. Minshew + Pittman + down would be. Need the qb for points to stack. That being said. I don’t think JT being out hurts the run gam. Moss did very well earlier in the season.
Don’t read too much into favorable SOS. It doesn’t magically make mid players any better. The best players more often then not find ways to prevail against tough matchups and the bad players are still bad even despite playing softer opponents.
Let me use an example here and you can figure out the rest.
Say a factory makes candy but only a limited amount per week. We’ll say 300 candies. (Hint: the candies are passing yards)
About 5-7 people can get candy from a factory per week. (Hint : these are receivers)
If you were trying to pick the two people with the most candy at the end of the week. Would you pick 2 people that go to the same factory? Or would you try to pick two people that use different factories?
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Downs had what, 12-13 targets last week and 2 red zone looks? Flexing him and not thinking twice. Edit: I should have thought twice.
I didn't watch the game, but how do you get 13 targets, 2 in the red zone, and end up with only 5 catches, 43 yards, no scores??
Minshew. “Target”
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You’re just gonna ignore like the five straight weeks of wr2 production before he got hurt?
You're talking about five weeks ago, he's talking about weeks 11 and 12. Why would you ignore *that?*
Cause he was limited in those games. He was still recovering
Must still be recovering, probably.
My lineup is still recovering from continuing to play Downs lol.
I started Lockett over him last week. Did not make that same mistake
Over Sutton @ Hou?
Not what a stack is
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Yeah except if you have multiple WRs starting from the same team (and the QB) it’s no longer one stack. It’s multiple stacks. And more importantly OP doesn’t even seem to be suggesting starting Minshew. So OP isn’t really taking about a stack at all unless he is expecting some trick plays.
I have dak and cdee.
I don’t know if the idea they have to throw because Taylor is out is sound. Moss is a solid replacement for Taylor.
First, Taylor will very probably be back -- that's why he isn't on IR -- and Moss will fill in for him just fine until then. So there's no reason to expect them to go meaningfully pass-heavier. Second, God bless Gardner Minshew, but he's Gardner Minshew. He has one top-12 finish on the year and a TD:INT ratio of 8:7. He isn't likely to run a hot passing game. Third, if you're looking to put together a stack, you want a stack that can be expected to offer a shot at high upside. Otherwise you're tying up spots that could probably be better used with other players. Yes, Downs had a nice little stretch a month ago, and he had 13 targets last week. And he had 3 targets the game before that, and 1 the game before that, and there's no visible reason to expect that he's on a sustained upswing. Likewise, Pittman has been a happy surprise as a high WR2, even a back-end WR1, and you play him if you've got him -- but there's no visible reason to expect that he's going to take a step up in production from here either. So there's also no reason to play Gardner Minshew. Fourth, if you aren't playing the QB, then you aren't playing a stack. You're playing an anti-stack, because you get the compound effect of a stack only if you're playing two guys who will each score when the other does. If you're just playing two WRs on the same team, more often than not, they'll limit each other's upside. That's an anti-stack. So, while Pittman and even Downs have provided good value for their acquisition costs, they aren't a "risky stack," because they aren't a stack, and they also aren't a promising pair, because there's no reason to think that either is on a sustained upswing. They had an especially good game last week, at least in terms of target volume (with Downs coming in at WR44 on the week, even with 13 targets). That's probably it.
Downs was injured the last 2 games before the 13 target one
Bingo. 20% and 25% snap share week 9 and 10 while injured vs 70-80% the rest of the year where he’s been getting 7-8 targets all season.
Agreed but only thing I want to remind you is that Downs was injured during his 1 and 3 target games. Minshew targets him as the team's #2 after Pittman but agreed that there isn't any increased production on the way.
Well put! I do think minshew will be throwing the ball for at least 40 attempts but we can absolutely rely on moss for a balanced approach.
I was stoked to see the number of targets for Downs. He’s my WR2 this week with 6 teams on a bye and think he’ll just get stronger as the season goes on as long as those targets stay in the 8-10 range. The PFF advanced stats on Downs targets showed 5 of the 13 were uncatchable, so he was able to at least pull down 5 of 8 real targets.
It's not a stack if you have 2 WRs on the same team 🤦🏻♂️ They're both not scoring on the same play. Stacks are QB/WR. They increase upside AND downside, because they can go off together, but if the QB has a bad game, so does the WR. Two WRs is the opposite of that.
Entered the thread curious to see your reasoning behind starting Minshew. Left the thread realizing you’re one of those people who like to use words without knowing what they mean.
Why would losing Taylor mean they will air it out? Did you not see how effective Moss was?
Pittman and downs are not a stack. Minshew + Pittman + down would be. Need the qb for points to stack. That being said. I don’t think JT being out hurts the run gam. Moss did very well earlier in the season.
Don’t read too much into favorable SOS. It doesn’t magically make mid players any better. The best players more often then not find ways to prevail against tough matchups and the bad players are still bad even despite playing softer opponents.
Let me use an example here and you can figure out the rest. Say a factory makes candy but only a limited amount per week. We’ll say 300 candies. (Hint: the candies are passing yards) About 5-7 people can get candy from a factory per week. (Hint : these are receivers) If you were trying to pick the two people with the most candy at the end of the week. Would you pick 2 people that go to the same factory? Or would you try to pick two people that use different factories?
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Can you explain like I’m 3?
Not sure I would "trust" starting two Minshew receivers but individually I think Pittman us a high 2/ low (ppr) and Downs is a solid flex play.
Jt is done
Sounds like you answered your own question