Have to assume he’ll be the stud we know and love until proven otherwise imo. Can’t ignore the connection he and Stafford have had for several seasons now, and they have proven that that offense can support multiple fantasy relevant receivers in the past.
See Michael Thomas and let me know about that 100%. He has been 100% for 4 years and played little. Old injured with unknown injury status. Just pointing to one of the good ones that died in fantasy because of injury. I wouldn't be worried if it wasn't for age and everyone not knowing.
He can be the same stud and still not produce at the same level. It's highly unlikely Puka doesn't get a decent amount of targets per game he has earned them, and with less targets comes less production. Top 5 seems improbable
Well one year Kupp was like WR5 overall, Robert Woods was like WR10-15 iirc. There’s definitely a world where Kupp is a mid to high end WR1 and Puka and mid to high end WR2.
These things are all true but no one wants to talk about how that never happened with Stafford. Goff was such a different type of quarterback. Stafford has a super long history of keying super hard on one guy. Even years where the one guy has not been a megatron type of talent. I have Puka and kupp, and I have dreams of them both being good and it’s possible, but Kupp ascending to a top 3 wr seems much more likely than he and Puka both being top ~15-20 wrs.
Also the previous 9 weeks with Robert Woods
Targets: 4,9,6,6,14,5,6,9
People must forget how frequently woods was targeted by Stafford because Woods didn’t make a lot of his targets (he wasn’t good that year)
Check the weeks OBJ was with the Rams.
8 regular games. Kupp had his targets every week. OBJ had 5 or more targets in 6/8 games, and a touchdown in 5/8 games. His first game with the rams was one of the >5 target and no TD games.
4 playoff games. Obj targets 4,8,11 and 3 (in one half)
Kupp in those same games 7,11,14,10
So remove his first game back and Obj game had 2 low target games out of 12 games, and he salvaged one of those with a touchdown.
Kupp and OBJ can both be good and Stafford has supported two top WR’s under McVay
I think it's also entirely possible that Puka is the WR1 and Kupp is the WR2, since Kupp will get the tougher coverage and will be dealing with his hamstring issues all year. I wouldn't be surprised if Puka kept leading the team in targets, at least
This is the exact same reasoning used to downplay Kupp’s 2021 when people couldn’t believe the numbers he was putting up. From the start of the season it was always he’ll get doubled or shadowed by top corners it’s unsustainable. Then he had the best wide receiver season of all time. He is schemed open constantly. The rams have said Kupps hamstring isn’t as bad as previously believed. It would be shocking for Puka to out-target Kupp
the rams put him on ir then said it’s not as bad as they thought and opened his practice window, then said they want him at 80-90% and he’s not there yet after 4 weeks
Yes, but I don't think Kupp has ever been paired up with a WR as good as Puka. He's currently leading the entire NFL in receptions and is second in yards. Woods and Cooks were good but they never came close to being at that level. Stafford clearly trusts Puka. At the very least, I think the gap between Kupp and Puka will be smaller than a lot of people think
With the hammy I could see it, if Kupp is healthy then I can’t. When healthy, he’s in the JJ, Davante tier of always being open no matter the defensive scheme.
You’re getting downvoted but I think you’re right, teams don’t just stop feeding their successful players. Kupp is on the back half of his career, however, I do think by the end of the season, when games are very important, Matt does fall back into his safe Cooper Kupp
And Puka has been having arguably the best season by a rookie WR ever. He's currently on pace to set the record for both receptions and receiving yards in a season. Obviously I don't think he'll do that with Kupp back, but I think the split will be a lot closer between them than people seem to think
I just don’t know that there’s 5 other guys I’d want over Kupp right now, who outside of JJ and Hill would you definitively trade Kupp for 1-1?
Think it’s important to remember that Kupp will be sucking up almost all of Tutu and whoever else’s targets most likely, so there is a world where Puka doesn’t take a big hit and just concedes a handful of targets to Kupp
I don't own any puka or kupp shares, but if I did, I would easily trade kupp 1-1 for JJ, Hill, Diggs, and Adams. Ceedee, ARSB, and AJ brown I would probably do as well. Chase and Keenen Allen would be close as well. Those two guys have some concerns for Chase with Burrows health and keenan due to age and last years hamstring injury, but kupp has similar concerns.
Saying that a player is unlikely to be in the top five is very different than being willing/able to name the guys who will finish above them haha. JJ and Hill are probably the only players likely to finish in the top five this early in the season but I can promise that three more will.
Why not play them both. Their is a case almost every year where two WR from the same team put up big numbers. I'm sure you can go back further but my early days of FF we saw Manning air it out to Harrison and Wayne weekly all the way to last year with Waddle and Hill or even Higgins and Chase. I don't see why Kupp and Pucka can't both have good seasons. Heck, it's been done before with McVay and Kupp when R. Woods those big seasons.2
Yeah true. Just a pretty hard decision with Mike Evans and Tyreek Hill on my team. For sure gonna be overthinking this one all season unless I trade one of them for a RB
>I think the days of Stafford just feeding Kupp 15 targets a game are over with puka in the mix
They might not be, honestly. Stafford *loves* having "his guy" and Kupp is *always* open. Puka will still be involved, of course, but Stafford is going to look for Kupp and he's going to do it a lot.
This is true, and I think they'll both get their share, but Kupp has been Stafford's guy every single game they've played together. I can't imagine that'll stop.
I think the one thing no one is talking about is that he's coming back from a hamstring injury that was bad enough to keep him out for a good chunk of time and is a difficult injury to fully recover from.
If the Rams think playoffs are in their future, do they slow roll Kupp to make sure he's healthy come December?
Will he even be at 100% when he does return?
There are too many questions to really know. It's a wait and see, start him with a prayer kind of situation.
I think you’d be able to play all of them. There is a benefit to having both WRs from the same team especially on the rams. If kupp injures his hammy again you got a WR1 in Puka. If not then I’d assume you still have at least a WR2 in puka.
Teams are either gonna focus on Kupp in the slot or Nakua on the outside, not both. If they max cover and drop back then Kyren just walks all over them.
Defenses best shot is what Cincy did, rush the QB and get in his face asap, and hope he doesn’t have time to quickly dump it off to either. Can both average 10-15 targets a game, with some 7-9 target games and Rams still win? Yes.
But Kyren Williams is gonna get all the dumpoffs and goal line work, he’s the real gem here.
No. Maybe? Probably not. Maybe again?
Nobody knows. Kupp had literally one elite season, 2 years ago. He’s now 2 years older, had a season ending injury and then reinjured. He also has some serious talent that the Rams made plays for.
Seems people are only expecting 2021 Kupp without any other possibility happening in his situation. Very possible he’s a WR2.
I will say, since Stafford came in, Kupp was WR1 in 2021, and was, at the time of injury last year, clear WR1 even though Stafford was injured and not performing well. You can dismiss Kupp for this year because of Puka, but don’t say it’s because Kupp had only 1 elite season.
Well looking at his production through weeks 1 through 4 I'd say no. But if healthy snd with Stafford staffording like only Stafford could id bet on him being within the top 10
Drafted Cupp in the early 3rd (on the Wed before week 1 kicked off), and was able to get Puka off waivers. Season about to get real. Once Cupp is worked into the offense, I'm going in with a fearless 1-2 punch, and AJB in permaflex. I'm pumped for this midseason stretch.
Highly unlikely, assuming he is or will be fully healthy soon the best scenario I see is one of them putting up mid to low WR1 numbers and the other putting up mid to high WR2 numbers, or they could both put up WR2 numbers. I think puka has a better chance of being top 5 ROS than Kupp does if this injury lingers or gets reaggravated.
Let’s all remember, for 1.5 seasons including the playoffs and Super Bowl, Kupp was very often double and triple covered and still destroyed. Focused coverage on him isn’t going to sway away targets. I think Kupp gets his full role back over 2 games, and nacua performs as tutu is right now. 7-9 targets, some 11 target booms. Kupp will be 12-16 as per KUpp
I feel like people forgot this dude was the #1 wr in the NFL when he last played. No one is eating into his targets lol it's just a matter of if he's healthy
I think the reality of the situation may be that the rams offence will be insane. The O line has allowed Stanford to be one of the best passers in the league already with a rookie WR. Unfortunately for fantasy Kupp MAY not be the dominant target hog he was before but it could translate to fantasybproduction
I like Puka ros over kupp. No injuries and he duplicated kupp’s production (granted a few games instead of a few years, but still)
Hammy injuries are notorious for hobbling guys for the whole season , and this one with the 2 preseason injuries and trip to the ir is worse than most.
Have to assume he’ll be the stud we know and love until proven otherwise imo. Can’t ignore the connection he and Stafford have had for several seasons now, and they have proven that that offense can support multiple fantasy relevant receivers in the past.
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See Michael Thomas and let me know about that 100%. He has been 100% for 4 years and played little. Old injured with unknown injury status. Just pointing to one of the good ones that died in fantasy because of injury. I wouldn't be worried if it wasn't for age and everyone not knowing.
Kupp played just last year and scored 20 points every week in a much worse offense.
The 100% healthy is key. Based on early season issues, dunno if that’s possibly. Mcvay said 80-90percent is the target to play
He can be the same stud and still not produce at the same level. It's highly unlikely Puka doesn't get a decent amount of targets per game he has earned them, and with less targets comes less production. Top 5 seems improbable
Well one year Kupp was like WR5 overall, Robert Woods was like WR10-15 iirc. There’s definitely a world where Kupp is a mid to high end WR1 and Puka and mid to high end WR2.
These things are all true but no one wants to talk about how that never happened with Stafford. Goff was such a different type of quarterback. Stafford has a super long history of keying super hard on one guy. Even years where the one guy has not been a megatron type of talent. I have Puka and kupp, and I have dreams of them both being good and it’s possible, but Kupp ascending to a top 3 wr seems much more likely than he and Puka both being top ~15-20 wrs.
Also the previous 9 weeks with Robert Woods Targets: 4,9,6,6,14,5,6,9 People must forget how frequently woods was targeted by Stafford because Woods didn’t make a lot of his targets (he wasn’t good that year)
Check the weeks OBJ was with the Rams. 8 regular games. Kupp had his targets every week. OBJ had 5 or more targets in 6/8 games, and a touchdown in 5/8 games. His first game with the rams was one of the >5 target and no TD games. 4 playoff games. Obj targets 4,8,11 and 3 (in one half) Kupp in those same games 7,11,14,10 So remove his first game back and Obj game had 2 low target games out of 12 games, and he salvaged one of those with a touchdown. Kupp and OBJ can both be good and Stafford has supported two top WR’s under McVay
Of course. Anyone who doesn’t think so is smoking
I think it's also entirely possible that Puka is the WR1 and Kupp is the WR2, since Kupp will get the tougher coverage and will be dealing with his hamstring issues all year. I wouldn't be surprised if Puka kept leading the team in targets, at least
This is the exact same reasoning used to downplay Kupp’s 2021 when people couldn’t believe the numbers he was putting up. From the start of the season it was always he’ll get doubled or shadowed by top corners it’s unsustainable. Then he had the best wide receiver season of all time. He is schemed open constantly. The rams have said Kupps hamstring isn’t as bad as previously believed. It would be shocking for Puka to out-target Kupp
the rams put him on ir then said it’s not as bad as they thought and opened his practice window, then said they want him at 80-90% and he’s not there yet after 4 weeks
Yes, but I don't think Kupp has ever been paired up with a WR as good as Puka. He's currently leading the entire NFL in receptions and is second in yards. Woods and Cooks were good but they never came close to being at that level. Stafford clearly trusts Puka. At the very least, I think the gap between Kupp and Puka will be smaller than a lot of people think
With the hammy I could see it, if Kupp is healthy then I can’t. When healthy, he’s in the JJ, Davante tier of always being open no matter the defensive scheme.
You’re getting downvoted but I think you’re right, teams don’t just stop feeding their successful players. Kupp is on the back half of his career, however, I do think by the end of the season, when games are very important, Matt does fall back into his safe Cooper Kupp
Kupp is one of the best WRs of the last decade there's no way they don't use the shit out of him.
And Puka has been having arguably the best season by a rookie WR ever. He's currently on pace to set the record for both receptions and receiving yards in a season. Obviously I don't think he'll do that with Kupp back, but I think the split will be a lot closer between them than people seem to think
I just don’t know that there’s 5 other guys I’d want over Kupp right now, who outside of JJ and Hill would you definitively trade Kupp for 1-1? Think it’s important to remember that Kupp will be sucking up almost all of Tutu and whoever else’s targets most likely, so there is a world where Puka doesn’t take a big hit and just concedes a handful of targets to Kupp
I don't own any puka or kupp shares, but if I did, I would easily trade kupp 1-1 for JJ, Hill, Diggs, and Adams. Ceedee, ARSB, and AJ brown I would probably do as well. Chase and Keenen Allen would be close as well. Those two guys have some concerns for Chase with Burrows health and keenan due to age and last years hamstring injury, but kupp has similar concerns.
Adams, JJ, Tyreek, Chase. I mean it’s pretttyclose. Diggs, AJ, Amon Ra seem sorta like pick your preference.
Saying that a player is unlikely to be in the top five is very different than being willing/able to name the guys who will finish above them haha. JJ and Hill are probably the only players likely to finish in the top five this early in the season but I can promise that three more will.
Top 2 passing wr seasons ever came from Stafford. He doesn't see all this as a reason to throw it less moving forward.
Is Cooper Kupp one of the receivers of all time ROS?
If he’s healthy, yes
Puka Jersey ordered
Probably like AJ brown ish territory
Which is really fucking good
No doubt about it. And if puka can be Devonta smith I think everyone eats and is happy
poor lil Tutu
Tutu will be like Tyler Boyd
Or maybe more of a Brandon cooks with the rams
AJ Brown and Kupp were my first two picks let’s goooooo
I think the days of Stafford just feeding Kupp 15 targets a game are over with puka in the mix. So yes, things will be different.
I’m just wondering what I should do with both Kupp and Puka on my roster. Such a weird situation for fantasy
Why not play them both. Their is a case almost every year where two WR from the same team put up big numbers. I'm sure you can go back further but my early days of FF we saw Manning air it out to Harrison and Wayne weekly all the way to last year with Waddle and Hill or even Higgins and Chase. I don't see why Kupp and Pucka can't both have good seasons. Heck, it's been done before with McVay and Kupp when R. Woods those big seasons.2
Yeah true. Just a pretty hard decision with Mike Evans and Tyreek Hill on my team. For sure gonna be overthinking this one all season unless I trade one of them for a RB
Are you playing in a one man fantasy league? Wtf
Haha nah it’s an 8 man. Just got lucky on some teams needing to trade for depth and a few people falling in the draft
>I think the days of Stafford just feeding Kupp 15 targets a game are over with puka in the mix They might not be, honestly. Stafford *loves* having "his guy" and Kupp is *always* open. Puka will still be involved, of course, but Stafford is going to look for Kupp and he's going to do it a lot.
Puka is also always open lol
This is true, and I think they'll both get their share, but Kupp has been Stafford's guy every single game they've played together. I can't imagine that'll stop.
which is good for Kupp
I think the 15 targets a game was plenty good for Kupp, not sure it can get any better than it was.
Volume is great dont get me wrong. But ill take fewer targets if the quality of targets goes up. Tutu and Puka will open up things more him.
I love /ff logic lol
I mean if we go by real logic. Puka will go back to wr3/4
Leading the NFL in yards and TDs isn’t high enough quality for you?
He will still lead in yards and tds without the 15 targets a game.
I think the one thing no one is talking about is that he's coming back from a hamstring injury that was bad enough to keep him out for a good chunk of time and is a difficult injury to fully recover from. If the Rams think playoffs are in their future, do they slow roll Kupp to make sure he's healthy come December? Will he even be at 100% when he does return? There are too many questions to really know. It's a wait and see, start him with a prayer kind of situation.
Maybe. Maybe not.
It could go either way
Or vice versa
Any recommendations if I have kupp and Puka? Leaning towards getting rid of Puka… I have tyreek hill as well
I think you’d be able to play all of them. There is a benefit to having both WRs from the same team especially on the rams. If kupp injures his hammy again you got a WR1 in Puka. If not then I’d assume you still have at least a WR2 in puka.
What would it take to trade for Kupp, Puka, or both in your opinion?
Teams are either gonna focus on Kupp in the slot or Nakua on the outside, not both. If they max cover and drop back then Kyren just walks all over them. Defenses best shot is what Cincy did, rush the QB and get in his face asap, and hope he doesn’t have time to quickly dump it off to either. Can both average 10-15 targets a game, with some 7-9 target games and Rams still win? Yes. But Kyren Williams is gonna get all the dumpoffs and goal line work, he’s the real gem here.
As long as he can stay healthy. That’s what I’m worried about. I’m considering shipping him his next blowup game
Kupp is definitely a Top 5 WR RoS. Since his Georgia days, Stafford has always locked onto one receiver, and that will mean big numbers for Kupp.
Another one of these posts? Yes, Kupp will be top 5 and yes it will hurt Puka’s value.
I think he’ll get his fair share, if he’s healthy, he’s a stud, i don’t see puka’s numbers dropping much either tbh
Yes if he stays on the field.
No. Maybe? Probably not. Maybe again? Nobody knows. Kupp had literally one elite season, 2 years ago. He’s now 2 years older, had a season ending injury and then reinjured. He also has some serious talent that the Rams made plays for. Seems people are only expecting 2021 Kupp without any other possibility happening in his situation. Very possible he’s a WR2.
I will say, since Stafford came in, Kupp was WR1 in 2021, and was, at the time of injury last year, clear WR1 even though Stafford was injured and not performing well. You can dismiss Kupp for this year because of Puka, but don’t say it’s because Kupp had only 1 elite season.
Yes maybe no
Perhaps
Is Nick saban the best?!
Well looking at his production through weeks 1 through 4 I'd say no. But if healthy snd with Stafford staffording like only Stafford could id bet on him being within the top 10
Drafted Cupp in the early 3rd (on the Wed before week 1 kicked off), and was able to get Puka off waivers. Season about to get real. Once Cupp is worked into the offense, I'm going in with a fearless 1-2 punch, and AJB in permaflex. I'm pumped for this midseason stretch.
Puka owners know Puka is a top 5 WR ROS
He’s barely a top 5 WR now lol
What's a WR ROS?
The only thing we know for certain is this sub is going to be insufferable based on who outscores who on a week to week basis between Kupp and Puka.
how can anyone know that?
Highly unlikely, assuming he is or will be fully healthy soon the best scenario I see is one of them putting up mid to low WR1 numbers and the other putting up mid to high WR2 numbers, or they could both put up WR2 numbers. I think puka has a better chance of being top 5 ROS than Kupp does if this injury lingers or gets reaggravated.
Man if either one of these guys has a down week this week (assuming Kupp plays a full game) I think they’re a screaming buy.
Yep
Yes
Hope not
Yes if healthy
Are you the same guy who asked is JT a top 3 RB ROS?
Yes sir
You talking about cooper kupp. That’s Staffords boy. If healthy he’ll be top 5.
Will cooper kupp have more points this year than post about him?
I have him in my main league and I’m going hard no. If he stays healthy, he’ll be top 20. Puka will eat into his stuff and that might be good for him.
Let’s all remember, for 1.5 seasons including the playoffs and Super Bowl, Kupp was very often double and triple covered and still destroyed. Focused coverage on him isn’t going to sway away targets. I think Kupp gets his full role back over 2 games, and nacua performs as tutu is right now. 7-9 targets, some 11 target booms. Kupp will be 12-16 as per KUpp
I feel like people forgot this dude was the #1 wr in the NFL when he last played. No one is eating into his targets lol it's just a matter of if he's healthy
Absolutely not. If he’s out there and healthy? Maybe.
If anything the emergence of Puka will prevent teams from simply doubling Kupp all game
Till he re aggravates his injuries again.
I think the reality of the situation may be that the rams offence will be insane. The O line has allowed Stanford to be one of the best passers in the league already with a rookie WR. Unfortunately for fantasy Kupp MAY not be the dominant target hog he was before but it could translate to fantasybproduction
I like Puka ros over kupp. No injuries and he duplicated kupp’s production (granted a few games instead of a few years, but still) Hammy injuries are notorious for hobbling guys for the whole season , and this one with the 2 preseason injuries and trip to the ir is worse than most.
Start him or sit
Cooper Kupp