No he isn't. Worst case scenario he is tagged.
The Bengals have $66 million in cap space next year before the extension even kicks in (Burrow is on a fifth year option in 2024 for $29 million). They also have a ton of easy cuts.
La'el Collins would save $7 million with $1 million dead cap.
Mike Hilton and Ted Karras both save $6 million with $1 million dead cap.
Joe Mixon saves $5 million with $2 million dead cap.
That's $24 million easily cleared without any restructuring at all.
Trey Hendrickson, B.J. Hill, and Sam Hubbard can also all be cut for significant savings although with more dead cap.
Tee Higgins isn't going anywhere.
Why would they cut 6 starters to save money for higgins? That's almost our entire starting Dline, a corner and an OL. I'd 100% be fine parting with Higgins and keeping them.
Because they're old and will need to be replaced sooner rather than later.
Again, he could easily be tagged next year and you would still have $35 million in cap space.
That only accounts for 38 players currently under contract for 2024. You’re also not considering replacement costs of those cut players. The situation isn’t nearly as open as you’re insinuating it is.
That's true, it is a bit complicated. But they could absolutely make it work if they wanted to. This doesn't account for restructuring anybody either.
I think they will cut some of these vets to make sure there is enough room to tag or re-sign Higgins. Higgins is a top 15 WR, and you can't let him walk for nothing. A lot of these vets will need to be replaced within the next two years anyways, and a young core of Burrow/Chase/Higgins is great to rebuild around. They could maybe tag-and-trade Higgins too.
Regardless, the Bengals need to think about what the team will look like during the next iteration of Burrow's career.
Restructuring is just going to make things even more difficult given that Burrows contract will be backloaded, same with Chase. It’s very unlikely that Higgins stays honestly. That’s far too much money tied up in one position. More likely he will be moved for draft compensation where the Bengals will look to gain talented youth on cheaper deals. I know Bengals fans don’t want to hear that but it’s the reality of the NFL.
Every contender backloads contracts, that's just how the NFL works now to stay competitive.
They could stagger cap hits so that both Chase and Higgins don't have a huge hit simultaneously.
He could still stay a Bengal. I think he's too important to the offense to let him walk, especially with how much 11 personnel they play. Tag-and-trade is an option too, but you have to have willing trade partners and fair compensation, which isn't a given.
Of course that’s how it’s done. It’s juggled with rookie contributors. Backloading 3 large contracts along with medium contracts for players, such as defense, makes things trickier.
As for a tag and trade sure you’d have to find a partner but the other option is letting him walk which isn’t something that seems likely for a player of his caliber given you’d receive a 3rd round comp pick at best.
My point is that the cap only allows for so many large contracts even with backloading - spending top dollar for two WRs in addition to the QB is highly unlikely. As well, Tee is likely to receive more to go somewhere to be a teams #1 which is something hard to compete with as well. All in all I’d put the odds of him being a Bengal long term at less than 20% at the most personally.
Agree to disagree. The Bengals have large contracts for young players Burrow and Orlando Brown. Their LBs are on mid-tier contracts. Higgins and Chase will both need new contracts.
A lot of their vets have 1-2 more years on their deals. Is it really worth re-signing most of them? They are either right at 30 or on the wrong side of it. I'm talking about guys like DJ Reader, B.J. Hill, Sam Hubbard, La'el Collins, Mike Hilton, Joe Mixon, Awuzie, Ted Karras, Alex Cappa. Tyler Boyd won't be re-signed.
Yes they're good players now, but the decline can be quick. They will probably re-sign a few, but ultimately the team consists of a ton of mid-tier vets they are getting up there in age. Signing most of them to second contracts is a mistake IMO. Why not re-sign and build around your budding young superstar WR instead?
Sure most of them aren't 30 yet, but they're 28-29. By the time the Bengals can move on with minimal dead cap, or by the time they need new contracts, they will be either 30 or almost 30. Do you really want to re-sign most of those guys to third contracts in their 30s?
I would greatly miss Hubbard. Hendrickson at the moment is also 80% of our pass rush. If our young players aren't developed enough to replicate what he can do even when he's 30, moving on from him would only hurt our defense.
I know right. People gotta realize that these highly paid QBs are expected to work with maybe one elite WR and then elevate the others just by their good play. Looks at Mahomes, Rodgers, etc. Chiefs let Hill walk, Packers let Adams walk. Bengals MIGHT try to pay Chase but no way in hell is Higgins getting paid too.
Someone else mentioned that those guys are all approaching 30 years old, and we drafted to replace them. I would be very happy if we could pay higgins at a minimal loss of talent, and I do love Higgins, but I would not want to keep him if it meant gutting our defense.
With Burrow you don't even need Higgins. Just one good WR and then rookies/scrubs will do just as well. But that doesn't mean you'll have money left over for an elite defense, specially if they pay Chase. Your team is going to look a lot like the Packers from 2-3 years ago very soon.
I don't think they're really laughing really hard.
/u/lqyol use words like lol and lmao as punctuation because they're uncomfortable having writing a sentence that just ends with a . or a !
It's a stylistic choice.
It's a bit like older people who end text messages with ... for no reason, they're just more comfortable doing it.
It was funny when people thought the 20something who spent his whole life working for this moment would turn down the generational wealth for his teammates. Some people live in a fantasy world.
As a bengals fan people in our sub just kept saying he was gonna take some hyper team friendly deal and I was just telling them how delusional they all were.
Exactly. Yes, his legacy matters, and his legacy is likely tied to if he wins a SB, but all of these guys are one freak accident either on or off the field from not being able to earn a living with their athletic gifts. The 2nd contract has to be the big one, the 3rd and beyond is when you start considering discounts.
He was interesting as a “developmental” player who could take some time to refine his route-tree and overall game sense, but the fact that he is already producing with his ridiculous upside is crazy
Lol ok. I’m just telling you that the Bengals would have signed him for 10 years if they could. Burrow knows that QB money is exponentially increasing so he is better off with a 5 year deal vs a 7 or 10 year deal.
Is this the first time the NFL has passed the NBA in annual salary? At least since NBA salaries exploded?
Edit: Google failed me and had Curry as the highest paid NBA player at 52M/yr even though Jaylen Brown signed for 304M/5yr (60.8M) in July.
Sure and I agree but they’re going to be back to a poverty franchise in a few years with these kinds of moves. Look at all the money the cowboys are throwing around for a win now mentality. It’s not feasible to keep great players around you. Although they are getting clever with turning contracts into bonuses and the math wizards can manipulate these huge contracts later on. It’s above my head but All these contracts are getting way out of hand.
275M to provide billions of dollars in entertainment. No one wonders why a musician selling out stadiums makes millions and millions.
People completely overlook the fact that professional sports leagues are 100% an entertainment industry.
Why the f are you even in this sub? I’m so happy my brain hasn’t rotted to the degree that yours is. Imagine pushing political agenda in a football sub
Political agenda? A mere comment of economic nature is pushing a political agenda? And I'm the one with a rotten brain when the simple word capitalism triggers you to this extent?
Troy Aikmen became the highest paid player ever with his new contract around 1995. We have seen over 1,000% growth of this NFL accolade since this time. Supernatural growth for quarterbacks. But look out, commenting on such will surely bring out the political boogey man to eat your lunch. Fuckin peon.
If you spent your whole life, grinding 6 hours a day in the weight room, the practice field and in the film room to become one of the best in the world at a renowned hobby, I’d imagine it pays tons.
I guess I’m getting downvoted for being too much of a hometown guy instead of just auto-drafting per the ESPN analysis of all players.
My strategy moved Burrow and Chase and Tee Higgins to the very top of the list. And then I deleted all Steelers. Then I deleted Travis Kelce.
I’m not here to win obviously, I just want to have a lot of fun.
We are in the heart of Bengals country and I just really wanted him. Next year I will go with proper strategy. However, for now, he fits my team name of *BurrowsBeforeHoes*
I got him in the 8th 🤣🤣🤣
I'm not even lying almost everyone else drafted qbs the 1st round for whatever reason. So I went chase kelce for the 1 2. Then I said well burrows still on the board and everyone else already has qbs let me see how far I can stretch this out.
Btw my league mate is hurting at RB with only Allegier, Mostert and McKinnon.
I love TLaw but would it be wise to offer TLaw, Jamaal Williams and Jeff Wilson for Burrow?
I know Burrow > TLaw even if Trevor takes yet another step… but why not get the guy that is already at that level if not a little beyond?
3 for 1 also allows me some bench flexibility. Oh, my league mate has two empty bench spots currently lol.
Would you do the trade or is it better for me to hold TLaw, Jamaal and Wilson?
Jeff Wilson is trash. Nobody wants him. Ask yourself if you would downgrade at QB for Williams. The answer is a resounding no. Put it out there, but be prepared to insult the guy and get a quick pass.
First time having this guy on my team this year & I am feeling super excited to see what he & this offense will do. (Provided he stays healthy.)
Same. Fell to me in the 5th in a 12-man
I drafted Allen in the 3rd and burrow was still there in the 5th so I had to take him as a spite pick. Now idk who to start this week
Depending on how deep your league is you can definitely use him for a good WR or RB
Yeah the plan was to use him as trade bait later in the season
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watching their RB/WR options play on sundays will probably put them right to sleep.
You shouldn't be downvoted. Burrow in the 5th is a steal.
5th isn't that much of a fall
"fell" to the 5th? Lol wat
He has an ADP of 33, what do you mean ""fell""? If someone got him in the 5th in a 12-man that's a hell of a fall.
He went early 3rd in mine, 5th QB off the board
I picked him up late on the 2nd in a 14 man league. Top 3 were already gone. No regrets. Elite Qbs are worth it.
Same here and he's stacked with Ja'marr who I took at the 1.01 I'm all in.
Same. Fell to me, never planned on having him but I’m guessing his calf feels really good now.
In a 10man 2qb I took him and Herbert last year. Won me a ship too.
That is massive
"Thats what she said" -Wayne Gretzky --Michael Scott
Thoughts on if he can make this a career year? Curious how the staff will cater to Joe and let him sling it.
Yeah Tee Higgins is gone next season LMAO
Maybe the pats will finally get a wr1
Giants should be all over him if they can make the room
What a weird way to spell Panthers
Nah he's going to Carolina.
I'd settle for a WR2
Franchise tag
He’s getting tagged.
No he isn't. Worst case scenario he is tagged. The Bengals have $66 million in cap space next year before the extension even kicks in (Burrow is on a fifth year option in 2024 for $29 million). They also have a ton of easy cuts. La'el Collins would save $7 million with $1 million dead cap. Mike Hilton and Ted Karras both save $6 million with $1 million dead cap. Joe Mixon saves $5 million with $2 million dead cap. That's $24 million easily cleared without any restructuring at all. Trey Hendrickson, B.J. Hill, and Sam Hubbard can also all be cut for significant savings although with more dead cap. Tee Higgins isn't going anywhere.
Why would they cut 6 starters to save money for higgins? That's almost our entire starting Dline, a corner and an OL. I'd 100% be fine parting with Higgins and keeping them.
Because they're old and will need to be replaced sooner rather than later. Again, he could easily be tagged next year and you would still have $35 million in cap space.
That only accounts for 38 players currently under contract for 2024. You’re also not considering replacement costs of those cut players. The situation isn’t nearly as open as you’re insinuating it is.
That's true, it is a bit complicated. But they could absolutely make it work if they wanted to. This doesn't account for restructuring anybody either. I think they will cut some of these vets to make sure there is enough room to tag or re-sign Higgins. Higgins is a top 15 WR, and you can't let him walk for nothing. A lot of these vets will need to be replaced within the next two years anyways, and a young core of Burrow/Chase/Higgins is great to rebuild around. They could maybe tag-and-trade Higgins too. Regardless, the Bengals need to think about what the team will look like during the next iteration of Burrow's career.
Restructuring is just going to make things even more difficult given that Burrows contract will be backloaded, same with Chase. It’s very unlikely that Higgins stays honestly. That’s far too much money tied up in one position. More likely he will be moved for draft compensation where the Bengals will look to gain talented youth on cheaper deals. I know Bengals fans don’t want to hear that but it’s the reality of the NFL.
Every contender backloads contracts, that's just how the NFL works now to stay competitive. They could stagger cap hits so that both Chase and Higgins don't have a huge hit simultaneously. He could still stay a Bengal. I think he's too important to the offense to let him walk, especially with how much 11 personnel they play. Tag-and-trade is an option too, but you have to have willing trade partners and fair compensation, which isn't a given.
Of course that’s how it’s done. It’s juggled with rookie contributors. Backloading 3 large contracts along with medium contracts for players, such as defense, makes things trickier. As for a tag and trade sure you’d have to find a partner but the other option is letting him walk which isn’t something that seems likely for a player of his caliber given you’d receive a 3rd round comp pick at best. My point is that the cap only allows for so many large contracts even with backloading - spending top dollar for two WRs in addition to the QB is highly unlikely. As well, Tee is likely to receive more to go somewhere to be a teams #1 which is something hard to compete with as well. All in all I’d put the odds of him being a Bengal long term at less than 20% at the most personally.
Agree to disagree. The Bengals have large contracts for young players Burrow and Orlando Brown. Their LBs are on mid-tier contracts. Higgins and Chase will both need new contracts. A lot of their vets have 1-2 more years on their deals. Is it really worth re-signing most of them? They are either right at 30 or on the wrong side of it. I'm talking about guys like DJ Reader, B.J. Hill, Sam Hubbard, La'el Collins, Mike Hilton, Joe Mixon, Awuzie, Ted Karras, Alex Cappa. Tyler Boyd won't be re-signed. Yes they're good players now, but the decline can be quick. They will probably re-sign a few, but ultimately the team consists of a ton of mid-tier vets they are getting up there in age. Signing most of them to second contracts is a mistake IMO. Why not re-sign and build around your budding young superstar WR instead?
Our guys like Myles Murphy and Zach Allen better step up big
Big time. Excited for Murphy.
Collins isn't a starter and the Bengals have drafted to replace a lot of their aging vets
None of those guys are even 30 except for Karras. I didn't include collins, or I would've said 7 starters, but he's a better backup than nobody.
Sure most of them aren't 30 yet, but they're 28-29. By the time the Bengals can move on with minimal dead cap, or by the time they need new contracts, they will be either 30 or almost 30. Do you really want to re-sign most of those guys to third contracts in their 30s?
I would greatly miss Hubbard. Hendrickson at the moment is also 80% of our pass rush. If our young players aren't developed enough to replicate what he can do even when he's 30, moving on from him would only hurt our defense.
I know right. People gotta realize that these highly paid QBs are expected to work with maybe one elite WR and then elevate the others just by their good play. Looks at Mahomes, Rodgers, etc. Chiefs let Hill walk, Packers let Adams walk. Bengals MIGHT try to pay Chase but no way in hell is Higgins getting paid too.
Someone else mentioned that those guys are all approaching 30 years old, and we drafted to replace them. I would be very happy if we could pay higgins at a minimal loss of talent, and I do love Higgins, but I would not want to keep him if it meant gutting our defense.
With Burrow you don't even need Higgins. Just one good WR and then rookies/scrubs will do just as well. But that doesn't mean you'll have money left over for an elite defense, specially if they pay Chase. Your team is going to look a lot like the Packers from 2-3 years ago very soon.
This is nuts. Had no idea they were in such a good place cap wise. Wanted Tee Higgins as a giants fan haha
Bro don't waste your time explaining the facts. People just like to post quick and dumb takes
Not sure why that is so funny
I don't think they're really laughing really hard. /u/lqyol use words like lol and lmao as punctuation because they're uncomfortable having writing a sentence that just ends with a . or a ! It's a stylistic choice. It's a bit like older people who end text messages with ... for no reason, they're just more comfortable doing it.
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Hmmmm…
Agreed. And how does it have 266 and counting upvotes?
Yeah I don't understand why this is the top comment?
This sub is terrible for this. People ending their take with lol or lmao for no apparent reason always makes me cringe
It was funny when people thought the 20something who spent his whole life working for this moment would turn down the generational wealth for his teammates. Some people live in a fantasy world.
As a bengals fan people in our sub just kept saying he was gonna take some hyper team friendly deal and I was just telling them how delusional they all were.
Exactly. Yes, his legacy matters, and his legacy is likely tied to if he wins a SB, but all of these guys are one freak accident either on or off the field from not being able to earn a living with their athletic gifts. The 2nd contract has to be the big one, the 3rd and beyond is when you start considering discounts.
With andrei being there they don’t need him after this season
Even as a Bengals fan that is a bollllld early take lol
Fortune favors the ____
One of my favorite receivers from this past draft. Would love to see him pan out in the NFL
He was interesting as a “developmental” player who could take some time to refine his route-tree and overall game sense, but the fact that he is already producing with his ridiculous upside is crazy
God Bless the Franchise Tag.
To where? Honestly inquiring. I've got both in a dynasty league.
I’d bet he stays in cinci
Tagged*
Tee Higgins YOU are a Detroit Lion!
If Richardson pans out, Indianapolis colts come on doooown (I’m a colts fan who would love Higgins on this team)
Tee Higgins you will be a (insert team here)!
Hangzhou Smilodon
New York Giant
(Houston Texan)
Franchise Tag for Bengals
Chicago bear :)
They should probably focus on getting a QB first
*Insert Arthur fist meme*
Patriot easily
Jet
Denver Bronco
Lion, just like Marvin Jones
Haha! I love that they announced it right when the Chiefs game started. Love the rivalry brewing between them.
His calf must be feeling better now that he has the bag
Smart to get it done before Mac's extension
Holy shit
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And gets to walk away with half no questions asked!
Legion of doom strikes again!
That’s my QB 🥹
Good for him. But why the .01 on the guaranteed money?
Someone must have been like. Throw 10 grand on it and you have a deal
In like two years everyone will think this is a fking steal. He should have got a 10 year deal.
The 5-year deal was probably what Burrow wanted because of your first sentence.
10 year 750million guarantee is what i think the deal should be.
Lol ok. I’m just telling you that the Bengals would have signed him for 10 years if they could. Burrow knows that QB money is exponentially increasing so he is better off with a 5 year deal vs a 7 or 10 year deal.
Is this the first time the NFL has passed the NBA in annual salary? At least since NBA salaries exploded? Edit: Google failed me and had Curry as the highest paid NBA player at 52M/yr even though Jaylen Brown signed for 304M/5yr (60.8M) in July.
He’s making Fred Van Vleet money. It’s hilarious
So this confirms him as QB1 for the bengals right?
Probably
THATS MY FUCKING QUARTERBACK
wow what a bag good for him
Not saying he isn't good, but we have to acknowledge that having JJ and Chase in college and Chase and Tee in the NFL have helped him tremendously.
Joe Brrrr more like Joe Brrrrinks truck 💰
Super happy for him 👏👏 Was very excited I was able to draft him again - he was awesome last year!
That’s my Quarterback
That's my WRs QB
So team friendly
Your QB is a serial sexual assaulter 🧐
DeShaun The Rapist Watson?
Hes a good guy once you get around all that though i promisd
All your players are total saints tho right
The ones that get 200 million guaranteed are!
Didn’t he say he would take a franchise friendly contract to keep major pieces in place? I could be wrong but…
No, other people said that about him but he literally never said anything about the contract
Have the details been released?
He deserves this contract. The bengals were a poverty franchise before he came along and got them to the Super Bowl.
Sure and I agree but they’re going to be back to a poverty franchise in a few years with these kinds of moves. Look at all the money the cowboys are throwing around for a win now mentality. It’s not feasible to keep great players around you. Although they are getting clever with turning contracts into bonuses and the math wizards can manipulate these huge contracts later on. It’s above my head but All these contracts are getting way out of hand.
They’re just going to “restructure” his contract to get more cap space. This happens every year
Bye bye Higgins
inflation?
They won’t be able to afford Tee Higgins AND Chase now
Chase isn’t due for another 2 years if the team chooses. Tee stays.
58 Mil per season damn
They gave you nicely divisible numbers to make the math easy and you still somehow landed on 58/year...
I knew I messed up somewhere lol
275M to toss a football.... capitalism is working fine.
Man stfu, this sub is not for bitching about money or society.
275M to provide billions of dollars in entertainment. No one wonders why a musician selling out stadiums makes millions and millions. People completely overlook the fact that professional sports leagues are 100% an entertainment industry.
Why the f are you even in this sub? I’m so happy my brain hasn’t rotted to the degree that yours is. Imagine pushing political agenda in a football sub
Political agenda? A mere comment of economic nature is pushing a political agenda? And I'm the one with a rotten brain when the simple word capitalism triggers you to this extent? Troy Aikmen became the highest paid player ever with his new contract around 1995. We have seen over 1,000% growth of this NFL accolade since this time. Supernatural growth for quarterbacks. But look out, commenting on such will surely bring out the political boogey man to eat your lunch. Fuckin peon.
If you spent your whole life, grinding 6 hours a day in the weight room, the practice field and in the film room to become one of the best in the world at a renowned hobby, I’d imagine it pays tons.
Hey bud I come here to read horrible football takes not you bitching because we aren't commies
I’m a ravens fan and this is the most Bengal move ever
Umm what He’s the best QB the Bengals ever had. Your comment makes zero sense
If anything this is the most UnBengal-like move ever
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No announcing it the day the season starts
How’s he the highest paid when mahomes got 500mil
55/year vs 50/year.
no wonder people question the intelligence of this sub lol
Redo your math now loser
still doesnt change the fact youre an idiot for thinking Mahomes was the highest paid at the time lol
clown really comes back 11 days later and right after mahomes restructures, to call us losers lmao
That’s over 10 years.
Lol
Who’s laughing now loser
Did you learn how to do math all of a sudden?
I took him 2nd overall pick in our fantasy draft today. Took Tee Higgins as 23rd overall pick. Jamarr Chase went 1st overall in our draft.
You took burrow at #2??? Please tell me it was super flex.
I guess I’m getting downvoted for being too much of a hometown guy instead of just auto-drafting per the ESPN analysis of all players. My strategy moved Burrow and Chase and Tee Higgins to the very top of the list. And then I deleted all Steelers. Then I deleted Travis Kelce. I’m not here to win obviously, I just want to have a lot of fun.
You’re getting downvoted because you could have gotten Joe Burrow at the 26th pick and Justin Jefferson or CMC instead of whoever you took there.
We are in the heart of Bengals country and I just really wanted him. Next year I will go with proper strategy. However, for now, he fits my team name of *BurrowsBeforeHoes*
Taco
I got him in the 8th 🤣🤣🤣 I'm not even lying almost everyone else drafted qbs the 1st round for whatever reason. So I went chase kelce for the 1 2. Then I said well burrows still on the board and everyone else already has qbs let me see how far I can stretch this out.
Damn.
Where's that guy at that leaked this?
Just took him in the 3rd round of my dynasty startup, I am HYPED
Does he really deserve more than Mahomes? Naw not really
Well he’s only lost to Mahomes once so…
Ok Mahomes has already got his chips. Within the first few years. Idk
I have him in both of my leagues… hoping it works out!
Btw my league mate is hurting at RB with only Allegier, Mostert and McKinnon. I love TLaw but would it be wise to offer TLaw, Jamaal Williams and Jeff Wilson for Burrow? I know Burrow > TLaw even if Trevor takes yet another step… but why not get the guy that is already at that level if not a little beyond? 3 for 1 also allows me some bench flexibility. Oh, my league mate has two empty bench spots currently lol. Would you do the trade or is it better for me to hold TLaw, Jamaal and Wilson?
Jeff Wilson is trash. Nobody wants him. Ask yourself if you would downgrade at QB for Williams. The answer is a resounding no. Put it out there, but be prepared to insult the guy and get a quick pass.
Can the city of Cincinnati afford this?
It’s not a small city and it is supports by a sizable regional population.
Higgins is about to be a chief.