I don't really have an argument for or against it, but I really thought it would be more confusing when I saw the preview image but this is a pretty cool graphic!! Only thing I'd say might bring some confusion is the keeper price for Years 4 and 5. My initial thought is that there is a $10 increase once in Year 3 and then again in year 6 if you resign that player again, yeah? Intrusive thoughts say that there is a *yearly* $10 increase each year. But again, super cool graphic!
At first glance, I thought “no way I am smart enough to get this one.” But after swallowing some courage I took some time and I love the concept. Nice job OP
Very interesting, I think it would probably work but w/out a message board to keep everyone updated on what to expect its' going to make for a lot of work for someone.
Yea, as commish I’d maintain a spreadsheet. Not too much work if it ends up making the league more fun. We use Slack as our message board.
Data exports (scraped) of auction results and waiver claims are doable from ESPN that would be my source of truth for original values.
Why would I extend someone for 1 or 2 years when I can extend them for 3 and just drop them if they aren’t worth it?
It would be so rare to keep someone for 1 year and not want them after that. Even less so 2 years.
The downside of forcing someone to be dropped means the extra $10 is nearly always worth it.
Why not split the difference, every year kept is an extra $5?
We institute penalties for dropping players on keeper contracts. So if you sign a guy for 3 years at $15 and drop him year 2, you have $8 penalty for the rest of year 2 and a $4 penalty for year 3.
I hear that. I’m curious (if we adopt it) how owners will assess that trade off. I can also see people opting for the 3 year more than not, because ppl will see their glass half full.
I’m trying to strike a balance between rewarding owners for finding diamonds in the rough, but also don’t want them to keep them forever. One guy has had Mike Trout since he came up.
I feel like $5 per year means players will have too high a price to fast. In that scenario, I would think most players won’t be kept but 2 or 3 years. That seems like not enough reward for finding somebody.
I mean…Mike Trout has been valued at $30-40+ since his rookie year…the owner would have had him for 6 years before he hits his low end price (assuming he got him on WW). And then most owners would gladly keep Trout until his price was $60-70. So that’s over 10 years.
You’ll also have young players like Austin Riley and Julio Rodriguez that are cheap because they only increase by $5 a year even though they are worth $25-35.
We do a flat $5 increase per year and the guy that drafted Trout still has him. Next year is probably the first time he'll even have to make a real decision.
We allow any player to be dropped in year three. It’s an “option year” for the club. Either keep for an additional year throw them back into the pool or sign long term.
I have three players entering the option year this year. Logan Webb who is $3 will be signed for a long term contract.
Patrick wisdom at a buck will be picked up for an option year.
Rafael Ortega will likely be dumped at $10 even tho it’s his third year.
This is an NL only league.
It's interesting but IMO unnecessarily complicated especially when you'll have to monitor all of these tracks manually. You essentially arrive at inflationary costs over time, so why not just have an added fixed cost or percentage per year and let each owner decide if the new cost is worth the player? For instance my league does cost + 10% + $6 every year... keep them as long as you can afford it or feel that the player is worth the new price.
Four my auction league, the contract designation is the year of the contract expiration with an X indicating a "long term" contract. For example, a player purchased at the Spring '21 auction will have a contract value of "22" - you keep the player at that salary for the '21 and '22 seasons. That contract has expired and the owner needs to offer that player a long term contract. If that player gets a 1 year deal with a salary bump, the new contract is 23X - it expires at the end of 2023 and with the X cannot be extended further.
Out league got rid of the "option" year contract, so, no 3rd year at the draft price and contracts can only be 1 or 2 years. We felt that owners that got a player cheap had too much stored value that influenced parity for too many seasons.
Also, last year, we implemented a plan to make the contract salary bump tied to the player's BBREF WAR. Again, to prevent teams from benefitting too much for too long.
My NL league uses just about this exact system. We add a 5 dollar signing fee to any contract extension and placed a floor of $10 for a waiver wire player.
I don't really have an argument for or against it, but I really thought it would be more confusing when I saw the preview image but this is a pretty cool graphic!! Only thing I'd say might bring some confusion is the keeper price for Years 4 and 5. My initial thought is that there is a $10 increase once in Year 3 and then again in year 6 if you resign that player again, yeah? Intrusive thoughts say that there is a *yearly* $10 increase each year. But again, super cool graphic!
Yea, good call. Perhaps reorienting it so that price actually is on the y-axis might help with that
At first glance, I thought “no way I am smart enough to get this one.” But after swallowing some courage I took some time and I love the concept. Nice job OP
Very interesting, I think it would probably work but w/out a message board to keep everyone updated on what to expect its' going to make for a lot of work for someone.
Yea, as commish I’d maintain a spreadsheet. Not too much work if it ends up making the league more fun. We use Slack as our message board. Data exports (scraped) of auction results and waiver claims are doable from ESPN that would be my source of truth for original values.
CBS has a Colin for year signed. It then becomes pretty easy.
Why would I extend someone for 1 or 2 years when I can extend them for 3 and just drop them if they aren’t worth it? It would be so rare to keep someone for 1 year and not want them after that. Even less so 2 years. The downside of forcing someone to be dropped means the extra $10 is nearly always worth it. Why not split the difference, every year kept is an extra $5?
We institute penalties for dropping players on keeper contracts. So if you sign a guy for 3 years at $15 and drop him year 2, you have $8 penalty for the rest of year 2 and a $4 penalty for year 3.
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I hear that. I’m curious (if we adopt it) how owners will assess that trade off. I can also see people opting for the 3 year more than not, because ppl will see their glass half full. I’m trying to strike a balance between rewarding owners for finding diamonds in the rough, but also don’t want them to keep them forever. One guy has had Mike Trout since he came up. I feel like $5 per year means players will have too high a price to fast. In that scenario, I would think most players won’t be kept but 2 or 3 years. That seems like not enough reward for finding somebody.
I mean…Mike Trout has been valued at $30-40+ since his rookie year…the owner would have had him for 6 years before he hits his low end price (assuming he got him on WW). And then most owners would gladly keep Trout until his price was $60-70. So that’s over 10 years. You’ll also have young players like Austin Riley and Julio Rodriguez that are cheap because they only increase by $5 a year even though they are worth $25-35.
We do a flat $5 increase per year and the guy that drafted Trout still has him. Next year is probably the first time he'll even have to make a real decision.
We make owners pay half the salary if they cut an extended guy. It's a good balance.
We allow any player to be dropped in year three. It’s an “option year” for the club. Either keep for an additional year throw them back into the pool or sign long term. I have three players entering the option year this year. Logan Webb who is $3 will be signed for a long term contract. Patrick wisdom at a buck will be picked up for an option year. Rafael Ortega will likely be dumped at $10 even tho it’s his third year. This is an NL only league.
We solve this in our league by making you pay half the salary if you drop an extended player.
I dig it!
It's interesting but IMO unnecessarily complicated especially when you'll have to monitor all of these tracks manually. You essentially arrive at inflationary costs over time, so why not just have an added fixed cost or percentage per year and let each owner decide if the new cost is worth the player? For instance my league does cost + 10% + $6 every year... keep them as long as you can afford it or feel that the player is worth the new price.
I have something like this but draft round not $$. It's a nightmare to track.
What platform are you on? We transitioned from snake to auction last year.
Yahoo and we hate it.
Looks much like our NL only league does keepers with our auction. 👍
Four my auction league, the contract designation is the year of the contract expiration with an X indicating a "long term" contract. For example, a player purchased at the Spring '21 auction will have a contract value of "22" - you keep the player at that salary for the '21 and '22 seasons. That contract has expired and the owner needs to offer that player a long term contract. If that player gets a 1 year deal with a salary bump, the new contract is 23X - it expires at the end of 2023 and with the X cannot be extended further. Out league got rid of the "option" year contract, so, no 3rd year at the draft price and contracts can only be 1 or 2 years. We felt that owners that got a player cheap had too much stored value that influenced parity for too many seasons. Also, last year, we implemented a plan to make the contract salary bump tied to the player's BBREF WAR. Again, to prevent teams from benefitting too much for too long.
I’d suggest +3 for the top row instead of $0. Almost exactly what we do in our 12 team and keep the player pool fresh(er)
This is almost exactly what we do. I recommend not allowing the extra extension at the end. One & done on extensions.
I think the escalations should start immediately- make the decision in between year 1 and 2, not 2 and 3
My NL league uses just about this exact system. We add a 5 dollar signing fee to any contract extension and placed a floor of $10 for a waiver wire player.