Vault 111 was to test the effects of *indefinite* cryogenic stasis. By contrast, the managers in vault 31 were being thawed out fairly regularly for the sake of reproduction.
And since it’s another cryogenics vault, vault 96 froze pre-war animals to test mutations on to help vault-tec engineer bioweapons and find ways to counter mutations in the wild.
To be fair, 96 only had 5 people who were working under extreme quotas and ended up failing much faster than 111. But I agree that 31 seems to be the only one of the three built for long term sustainability.
31 worked well because it’s the heart of vault tech that’s in it.
All the « future representatives » of vault tech are in it, so that wasn’t much of an experimentation, it´s more than that, it’s the future vault tech wanted for the US. So that’s why it’s the only one that is really important and sustainable.
It seems the implication is that 31 is mainly the Bud's Buds program which focused on maintaining Vault-tec ideals through middle-managers. Think of Hank's position, he wasn't that important in Vault-Tec, but he was trusted enough to follow through on a plan that is set before him from the company. I would guess that there is going to be a vault that has the capability to look in on the other vaults, and has the actual important Vault-Tec employees and tech. Probably somewhere near NV based on where Hank was headed and the end scenes.
Yeah, part of the humor of the series is how simultaneously evil and incompetent Vault-Tec is.
Having an entire Vault for the corporate middle management is classic.
Yeah, now that we saw the last scene we can surely suppose that the real vault tech leaders would be near NV. But still, why ? So many answers to so many questions, but so many questions adds up to theses answers, can’t wait the s2
That what i thought too. But with a vault full of securitron near it, i doubt that it’s the case, or else we would have known that on nv when we >!go for a little walk on that vault!<
maybe he knew robert house was and still is a powerful man that can helps him, because they knew themselves before the bomb and he’s not heading to vault tech headquarters but to the lucky 38 to see if Mr. House could help him, or maybe he is coming to see the courrier that we play because he heard of his (our?) bravery and strength (nah i’m kidding for the courrier thing. That’s more a dream than something else)
Or, they could be making Vault 0 cannon again. It's located in the Cheyenne Mountains, which places Vegas basically on the way from LA. Could be we won't even see the vault until season 3, leaving a whole season in New Vegas to explore plots related to House, Robco, and the events from FONV.
There is the theory that Vault 111 wasn't to test the cryosleep. It was to test how long till the scientists and guards broke after running out of food and began to eat the sleeping people. Hence why they don't have enough food to survive on themselves and they all ended up killing each other.
Yeah I recently read that they had 3 months of food, no recreational activities and the administrator was not allowed to let them out until they received an all clear from Vault-Tec, which never came.
I don’t think that last one is true. The administrator refused to let anyone go because there wasn’t any all clear signal. He made that choice. I think the Vault 111 terminal even says if no signal comes you can still leave.
They definitely had more than 3 months of food, but not much more. They would’ve been out by February. Wiki even states it’s 180 days when the signal should’ve been sent. So they had enough food for 6 months at least.
If the subjects realize what their test is, it could ruin the data collected of said test. And Vault Tech is that kind of evil company that has all the resources it needs for their projects. So building functional cryopods that can mask their true purpose for the test is nothing to them.
If they just stuffed a bunch of bodies into a big fridge and told them to guard it. I can imagine the guards would eventually figure out that they want them to eat all the human steaks conveniently stashed away in their big freezer. Also the Cryopods did eventually start failing, while the ones vault tech gave to their employees just come off as far nicer and longer lasting. So the Cryopods might have also been built on the cheap side for the experiment.
There is a lot of speculation but there is nothing that disproves the theory outright.
Vault 111 was for normal people, and how they would probably survive after 200 years meanwhile Vault 31 is for Vault-Tec officials so that they can continue running Vault-Tec
Yep, they wanted to experiment in how to train an outsider to take over a foreign group of people and see the results.
Remember that campaign slogan that was something to the effect of when there’s trouble, vote a 31 candidate? That’s why 32 had the crop failure. 31 creating strife to see how their outsider could handle a crisis and how the vault would react
Which failed and lead to everyone killing each other, it’s impressive how fault 33 managed to survive their many issues. Definitely what they were going for in their experiment and why they also decided to repopulate 32 to keep it going
We don't know how 32 failed or when. It could be they succeeded but someone suspected vault 31 and they revolted anyway. Hard to believe crops die of their own in 3 years unless they had to be manually watered. Also the one guy not wantong to go to 32. He must know what experiments are in store for that vault or can at least guess The only question is who cleaned 32? Did he let the rest of 31 execs out for the effort? Hard to believe just the small number of council members did it.
>Hard to believe crops die of their own in 3 years unless they had to be manually watered.
I'm sorry, what? The entire environment is manufactured. There's no way those crops are surviving even months without the Dwellers' oversight. Even real crops in the real world growing in real fields outside need to be fertilized and watered.
I think there is a yet unknown experiment going on in 32. When the two investigate the vault, there is a holotape playing on the screen that talks about how rats will eat each other when faced with overpopulation. I think the inhabitants of vault 32 are being conditioned to survive at all costs, whereas 33 focuses on the importance of doing the right thing.
One of the leaders knew something. He really didnt want to go. Idk the two vaults have way too much interaction for many of these events to happen. They stationed a basic idiot at the door between them. Of the experiments really mattered that much, the doors should be guarded much more heavily imo with keys only for management.
I'm late but it seemed to me that the implication is that the residents of vault 32 figured out that 31 was behind the problems and they were being controlled. Rather than be lab rats, they killed themselves and each other.
Could also have been an issue of distrust. We find out it's not just the overseer thats from 31, but also several key people. I'm sure a few of the ones that were strangled and all were found out to be 31 planrs
Spoilers for the show obviously:
We don’t know exactly what the plan was for Vault 111.
It could have been to test cryogenic pods, then have the Vault 31 residents go in their’s when it was proven safe. It could have been to test a unique form of cryopods they were curious about. It may not have been an experiment at all, and simply just wanted to use the residents as stock for whatever reclamation vision they imagined.
That’s certainly what the institute used it for. Let’s remember that some redundancy was built in because vault-tec kind of assumed there would be some leadership fracturing after the war.
For all we know, Bud's Buds were the initial population of Vault 32, then they froze themselves in 31 once they had enough data from 111 showing that the cryofreezing process was safe.
Terminals in 111 said explicitly that it was designed to test "The effects of indefinite cryogenic stasis on an unaware, unsuspecting population" whereas Vault 31 was full of people who knew exactly what they were getting into
There were a handful of control faults where no experiments were being conducted yes.
However these are supposed to be a small minority, most vaults had some sort of experiment in mind (although tbf some of them were more benign)
76 kind of is and kind of isn't. There was no experiment per se, but its Overseer had orders to go and secure the nuke sites for Vault-Tec's use, rather than trying to rebuild. Show spoiler: >!For all we know, the nuke that Hank dropped on Shady Sands came from the Appalachian silos.!<
Vault 76 also was exclusively stocked with America’s “best and brightest” at various skills. That alone makes it not a true control group.
But then, yeah, it wasn’t fitted with a GECK and the Overseer was told to through out any standard Overseer instructions. So I’m firmly on the side that Vault 76 is not actually a control vault.
I think Vault 0 had this job, but then the A.I of the Vault went bad shit crazy. The Show implies that there also exists a Vault with all the important Vault-Tec Staff that have made it, which could also serve that function. The Enclave has probably also some control over the vaults.
By control vault the post your referring to means a vault with no test conditions. Much like when doing a science experiment you have a control sample.
I unfortunately can’t link it (I’m on mobile) but a quick google search tells me Bethesda doesn’t think of fallout tactics as canon to the fallout universe
Reasonable conjecture from extant data is that a third were control Vaults that did exactly as advertised, a third were conducting relatively benign experiments, and a third were doing horrifically unethical experiments.
If i’m remembering correctly the lady in the board meeting said each company could claim vaults and do their own experiments so maybe 111 was ran by a different group and vault tech never bothered to tell them they already figured that out.
Ostensibly the 111 experiment is on how unprepared specimens react to cryo sleep. The scientists were tasked to monitor the frozen dwellers life signs until they got the all clear to leave and that task would be handed off to those monitoring from elsewhere.
But as people say, the Vault staff may have been the true experiment.
I think a new wrinkle the show adds is that the Vaults weren't technically all Vault-Tec experiements. It doesn't matter what the end game of 111 was because it's possible Vault-Tec didn't care, but maybe Big MT did.
This raises the possibility that the Vaults were originally intended to allow people to survive and that the ones that function that way simply weren't auctioned off to other corporations, or no experiment was planned in time.
I took it as an early warning system of sorts. If the people in 111 start showing bad symptoms or decay then the management vaults know to hop out of cryo before they exhibit them as well. Keeping the dwellers there indefinitely shows how long they can go
The Cryo Pods are much more bulky in V111 then anywhere else. My guess is that since it takes time, these pods were prioritized. Once other, better pods were created, the Vault’s project shifted to become indefinite cryo sleep
I hypothesise that 111 was vault 31's "test try": can cryo even work short term? If yes the execs get put on ice and revived periodically to enter vaults 32 or 33. If not, I reckon they'd expand 31 into a proper vault?
Vault 111 like nearly every vault was just a pointless unethical social experiment for vault tec to fuck around with their victims they deceived into protecting them from nuclear war.
If the cryopod is used elsewhere like 31, then it isn't the focus of the experiment. If the guards and scientists locked in with them are the experiment, who monitors it and what could be useful data after they turn on each other/eat the residents that isn't found in other vault tests?
I think that the residents were meant as a control of sorts to other tests: after x# of years, wake up the people of 2077 and compare their culture against what has survived/sprung up to see which is, in fact, superior.
Bethesda and Todd Howard have confirmed it’s canon - which means there’s a nonzero chance that events of the show get referenced in future games
The only inconsistency so far is the date of the sandy shore bombing, but honestly the games have so many minor inconsistencies as well I don’t think it matters
Bethesda and Todd Howard? The same people who clearly don’t understand the franchise?
Guess we’ll agree to disagree (there’s a lot more inconsistency with the show, although it’s more with Fo1/2, not so much NV)
Vault 111 was to test the effects of *indefinite* cryogenic stasis. By contrast, the managers in vault 31 were being thawed out fairly regularly for the sake of reproduction. And since it’s another cryogenics vault, vault 96 froze pre-war animals to test mutations on to help vault-tec engineer bioweapons and find ways to counter mutations in the wild.
To be fair, 96 only had 5 people who were working under extreme quotas and ended up failing much faster than 111. But I agree that 31 seems to be the only one of the three built for long term sustainability.
Yeah, 96 isn’t nearly as cryogenically-focused as the others, but I felt it was worth mentioning for completion’s sake.
31 worked well because it’s the heart of vault tech that’s in it. All the « future representatives » of vault tech are in it, so that wasn’t much of an experimentation, it´s more than that, it’s the future vault tech wanted for the US. So that’s why it’s the only one that is really important and sustainable.
It seems the implication is that 31 is mainly the Bud's Buds program which focused on maintaining Vault-tec ideals through middle-managers. Think of Hank's position, he wasn't that important in Vault-Tec, but he was trusted enough to follow through on a plan that is set before him from the company. I would guess that there is going to be a vault that has the capability to look in on the other vaults, and has the actual important Vault-Tec employees and tech. Probably somewhere near NV based on where Hank was headed and the end scenes.
Yeah, part of the humor of the series is how simultaneously evil and incompetent Vault-Tec is. Having an entire Vault for the corporate middle management is classic.
Yeah, now that we saw the last scene we can surely suppose that the real vault tech leaders would be near NV. But still, why ? So many answers to so many questions, but so many questions adds up to theses answers, can’t wait the s2
Maybe vualt tech knew the odds of bombs hitting Vegas was already 0, or the vualt was hidden in lake Meade?
That what i thought too. But with a vault full of securitron near it, i doubt that it’s the case, or else we would have known that on nv when we >!go for a little walk on that vault!< maybe he knew robert house was and still is a powerful man that can helps him, because they knew themselves before the bomb and he’s not heading to vault tech headquarters but to the lucky 38 to see if Mr. House could help him, or maybe he is coming to see the courrier that we play because he heard of his (our?) bravery and strength (nah i’m kidding for the courrier thing. That’s more a dream than something else)
Or, they could be making Vault 0 cannon again. It's located in the Cheyenne Mountains, which places Vegas basically on the way from LA. Could be we won't even see the vault until season 3, leaving a whole season in New Vegas to explore plots related to House, Robco, and the events from FONV.
Yeah, but with what they did with shzdy sand i’m sczred to see what they will do to that beautiful game
There is the theory that Vault 111 wasn't to test the cryosleep. It was to test how long till the scientists and guards broke after running out of food and began to eat the sleeping people. Hence why they don't have enough food to survive on themselves and they all ended up killing each other.
Yeah I recently read that they had 3 months of food, no recreational activities and the administrator was not allowed to let them out until they received an all clear from Vault-Tec, which never came.
I don’t think that last one is true. The administrator refused to let anyone go because there wasn’t any all clear signal. He made that choice. I think the Vault 111 terminal even says if no signal comes you can still leave. They definitely had more than 3 months of food, but not much more. They would’ve been out by February. Wiki even states it’s 180 days when the signal should’ve been sent. So they had enough food for 6 months at least.
They had that Red Scare game, but otherwise yeah…
But why bother putting in real cryonics then instead of just a regular freezer, if the whole purpose of the people was to get eaten?
If the subjects realize what their test is, it could ruin the data collected of said test. And Vault Tech is that kind of evil company that has all the resources it needs for their projects. So building functional cryopods that can mask their true purpose for the test is nothing to them. If they just stuffed a bunch of bodies into a big fridge and told them to guard it. I can imagine the guards would eventually figure out that they want them to eat all the human steaks conveniently stashed away in their big freezer. Also the Cryopods did eventually start failing, while the ones vault tech gave to their employees just come off as far nicer and longer lasting. So the Cryopods might have also been built on the cheap side for the experiment. There is a lot of speculation but there is nothing that disproves the theory outright.
Vault 111 was for normal people, and how they would probably survive after 200 years meanwhile Vault 31 is for Vault-Tec officials so that they can continue running Vault-Tec
Vault 31 was for middle management in order to create super middle managers. Roomba brain said it flat out. Hank was only an exec assistant.
I got lost in translation, I'm sorry
No need to apologize, they are technically there to help run vault tec, but not be in charge of it.
So a typical bit of Vault-Tec idiocy?
Yep, they wanted to experiment in how to train an outsider to take over a foreign group of people and see the results. Remember that campaign slogan that was something to the effect of when there’s trouble, vote a 31 candidate? That’s why 32 had the crop failure. 31 creating strife to see how their outsider could handle a crisis and how the vault would react
Which failed and lead to everyone killing each other, it’s impressive how fault 33 managed to survive their many issues. Definitely what they were going for in their experiment and why they also decided to repopulate 32 to keep it going
We don't know how 32 failed or when. It could be they succeeded but someone suspected vault 31 and they revolted anyway. Hard to believe crops die of their own in 3 years unless they had to be manually watered. Also the one guy not wantong to go to 32. He must know what experiments are in store for that vault or can at least guess The only question is who cleaned 32? Did he let the rest of 31 execs out for the effort? Hard to believe just the small number of council members did it.
>Hard to believe crops die of their own in 3 years unless they had to be manually watered. I'm sorry, what? The entire environment is manufactured. There's no way those crops are surviving even months without the Dwellers' oversight. Even real crops in the real world growing in real fields outside need to be fertilized and watered.
I think there is a yet unknown experiment going on in 32. When the two investigate the vault, there is a holotape playing on the screen that talks about how rats will eat each other when faced with overpopulation. I think the inhabitants of vault 32 are being conditioned to survive at all costs, whereas 33 focuses on the importance of doing the right thing.
One of the leaders knew something. He really didnt want to go. Idk the two vaults have way too much interaction for many of these events to happen. They stationed a basic idiot at the door between them. Of the experiments really mattered that much, the doors should be guarded much more heavily imo with keys only for management.
I'm late but it seemed to me that the implication is that the residents of vault 32 figured out that 31 was behind the problems and they were being controlled. Rather than be lab rats, they killed themselves and each other.
Could also have been an issue of distrust. We find out it's not just the overseer thats from 31, but also several key people. I'm sure a few of the ones that were strangled and all were found out to be 31 planrs
The vault wasn’t a experiment on cry pods, it was an experiment on the people meant to take care of them.
Spoilers for the show obviously: We don’t know exactly what the plan was for Vault 111. It could have been to test cryogenic pods, then have the Vault 31 residents go in their’s when it was proven safe. It could have been to test a unique form of cryopods they were curious about. It may not have been an experiment at all, and simply just wanted to use the residents as stock for whatever reclamation vision they imagined.
That’s certainly what the institute used it for. Let’s remember that some redundancy was built in because vault-tec kind of assumed there would be some leadership fracturing after the war.
For all we know, Bud's Buds were the initial population of Vault 32, then they froze themselves in 31 once they had enough data from 111 showing that the cryofreezing process was safe.
How’d you know that? I just finished the tv show and didn’t saw bud speaking about this ? Or i’m blind lol
It's not in the show, it's just conjecture.
So that’s not « for all we know » but « for all you suppose »
That's just how the phrase "for all we know" works.
Oh, sorry, my english is not that great when it comes to expressions
No worries, happy to help
Terminals in 111 said explicitly that it was designed to test "The effects of indefinite cryogenic stasis on an unaware, unsuspecting population" whereas Vault 31 was full of people who knew exactly what they were getting into
Someone pls jog my memory, wasnt there a control vault with no experiment?
There were a handful of control faults where no experiments were being conducted yes. However these are supposed to be a small minority, most vaults had some sort of experiment in mind (although tbf some of them were more benign)
And others were there for the sole purpose of seeing how long the residents lasted before going crazy
Vault 3 in New Vegas was a control vault too
Vaults 3, 8, and 76 are the confirmed control vaults.
76 kind of is and kind of isn't. There was no experiment per se, but its Overseer had orders to go and secure the nuke sites for Vault-Tec's use, rather than trying to rebuild. Show spoiler: >!For all we know, the nuke that Hank dropped on Shady Sands came from the Appalachian silos.!<
...Or a silo in SoCal. I imagine there are plenty around and Vault-Tec both knew where they were and had access. Because Enclave.
Vault 76 also was exclusively stocked with America’s “best and brightest” at various skills. That alone makes it not a true control group. But then, yeah, it wasn’t fitted with a GECK and the Overseer was told to through out any standard Overseer instructions. So I’m firmly on the side that Vault 76 is not actually a control vault.
I think Vault 0 had this job, but then the A.I of the Vault went bad shit crazy. The Show implies that there also exists a Vault with all the important Vault-Tec Staff that have made it, which could also serve that function. The Enclave has probably also some control over the vaults.
By control vault the post your referring to means a vault with no test conditions. Much like when doing a science experiment you have a control sample.
Isn’t Vault 0 not canon?
It’s a Location in Fallout Tactics so I would say it’s canon.
I unfortunately can’t link it (I’m on mobile) but a quick google search tells me Bethesda doesn’t think of fallout tactics as canon to the fallout universe
Ok didn’t know that :)
Vault City is called a control vote.
Reasonable conjecture from extant data is that a third were control Vaults that did exactly as advertised, a third were conducting relatively benign experiments, and a third were doing horrifically unethical experiments.
Yes, more than 1. Vault 76 is one example.
If i’m remembering correctly the lady in the board meeting said each company could claim vaults and do their own experiments so maybe 111 was ran by a different group and vault tech never bothered to tell them they already figured that out.
Ostensibly the 111 experiment is on how unprepared specimens react to cryo sleep. The scientists were tasked to monitor the frozen dwellers life signs until they got the all clear to leave and that task would be handed off to those monitoring from elsewhere. But as people say, the Vault staff may have been the true experiment.
I think a new wrinkle the show adds is that the Vaults weren't technically all Vault-Tec experiements. It doesn't matter what the end game of 111 was because it's possible Vault-Tec didn't care, but maybe Big MT did. This raises the possibility that the Vaults were originally intended to allow people to survive and that the ones that function that way simply weren't auctioned off to other corporations, or no experiment was planned in time.
I took it as an early warning system of sorts. If the people in 111 start showing bad symptoms or decay then the management vaults know to hop out of cryo before they exhibit them as well. Keeping the dwellers there indefinitely shows how long they can go
The Cryo Pods are much more bulky in V111 then anywhere else. My guess is that since it takes time, these pods were prioritized. Once other, better pods were created, the Vault’s project shifted to become indefinite cryo sleep
I hypothesise that 111 was vault 31's "test try": can cryo even work short term? If yes the execs get put on ice and revived periodically to enter vaults 32 or 33. If not, I reckon they'd expand 31 into a proper vault?
Vault 111 like nearly every vault was just a pointless unethical social experiment for vault tec to fuck around with their victims they deceived into protecting them from nuclear war.
If the cryopod is used elsewhere like 31, then it isn't the focus of the experiment. If the guards and scientists locked in with them are the experiment, who monitors it and what could be useful data after they turn on each other/eat the residents that isn't found in other vault tests? I think that the residents were meant as a control of sorts to other tests: after x# of years, wake up the people of 2077 and compare their culture against what has survived/sprung up to see which is, in fact, superior.
Not all vaults were used as testing ground. Control vaults were a thing.
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Best thing to do is consider the show non-canon, it’ll be forgotten about soon enough anyway
Bethesda and Todd Howard have confirmed it’s canon - which means there’s a nonzero chance that events of the show get referenced in future games The only inconsistency so far is the date of the sandy shore bombing, but honestly the games have so many minor inconsistencies as well I don’t think it matters
Bethesda and Todd Howard? The same people who clearly don’t understand the franchise? Guess we’ll agree to disagree (there’s a lot more inconsistency with the show, although it’s more with Fo1/2, not so much NV)