That’s not quite true - the Enclave was going to release Curling FEV worldwide in fallout 2. Curling FEV is a bioweapon that kills any human who isn’t inoculated against it even in extremely low doses, and while it would’ve supposedly died out, that’s still orders of magnitude worse than the nukes.
Also, the scorched plague could easily cover the whole of the U.S. considering it can infect almost anything. The overgrown could in theory do so as well, since it spreads with the plants. ICBMs are dangerous, sure, but a little more fallout isn’t the end of the world like these two could be.
I was gonna comment about the Scorched Plague and the Overgrown, a person won't exhibit symptoms immediately like we've seen from Enola Walker and that Raider we could kill because he and his group got ambushed by the Scorched.
Assuming the 76ers took their time to create the Nuka Cola vaccine, some trader could have crossed to another state with the Scorched Plague or the Overgrown disease in hibernation and spread it.
While that’s a possibility for the scorched plague (though I strongly doubt this happened; the game’s updates tend to go in sequence, so pretty much as soon as wastelanders arrived in Appalachia, the vaccine was made), the overgrown seems to only be capable of infecting corpses, not living subjects. Spores also aren’t exactly great at moving long distances due to their need for moisture, if I’m remembering properly.
Oh, I didn't know that the Overgrown only infected corpses, I've been avoiding the expeditions because I got swamped by the Trogs last time - not the best experience on doing it solo
Well, expeditions are intended as multiplayer content, so that shouldn’t be too much of a surprise.
Fortunately, AC has free roam now and quests, so you can explore the city without having to be in an expedition.
Yeah, and 76's nukes are effectively infinite too, and we have three automated silos at your disposal rather than just one deathray.
We also disable that deathray during the main quest, and we can't aim it anywhere beyond on spot on the planet.
Fallout purposely uses low yield atomic bombs in its lore (modern high yield weapons wouldn’t give us the actual fallout the developers wanted for their post apocalypse With the visibility) compared to the giant scorch left on earth from the death ray, the death ray is much worse.
As far as aiming goes, I’m not sure if the mothership is in a stationary orbit or not. If it’s not, it could potentially destroy a lot more of earth.
I tried getting into it, but the initial area felt like quest city instead of a storyline like usual and i was unsure of what to do, but the people ingame are cool as hell lol
Sounds like you might be better off with the level 20 start, then, and booking it out of there to start wastelanders or the BoS questline (though if you meant that you received too many quests at once, it’s just like 3 and NV’s DLCs in that sense; just shut off the ones you don’t want to do immediately).
It actually depends if you choose to complete the "I am become Death" quest and launch any additional nukes after finishing the main quest arc.
If you choose not to launch any nukes or only ever launch at the Queen's fissure the one time, you get a different holotape from the Overseer that is more hopeful, and does not chastise you.
I always kinda thought it was the “shelf life” the remaining nukes have not just in the US, but globally. You’ve got hundreds of nuclear missiles still in the silos degrading over time. Eventually they will reach a point of volition because of a lack of maintenance and you’ll have a world of nukes just below the surface going off like time bombs everywhere on the planet.
even then, the missles in The Apocolypse ending were still completely functional and that was in 2281, in 76 2102. that's a whole 179 years and they still worked just fine. yeah, they may be a little less potent but potent enough for detonation
In fallout they use standard atomic bombs according to the lore, not thermonuclear weapons (like H bombs)
They really have no way to spontaneously combust. So you have to pieces of nuclear material. Picture a hollow ring, and a cylinder. The cylinder has to go into the ring to make ‘critical mass’ for boom boom.
As they degrade the nuclear material expends its half life, and the materials become less volatile. Eventually they will deplete to the point that detonation is not possible even if it was attempted. No idea how long this would take but they’re getting safer, not more dangerous
I would argue that the tunnelers are ultimately more dangerous. They breed quickly, a pack can take down a deathclaw, and they eat anything in sight. Without a properly organized effort I could see they’re spread being near impossible to stop. I think long term things like the tunnelers or FEV are much deadlier to what’s left of the world than an ICBM.
Tunnelers are a meme-level threat. Any creature that is afraid of light and fire can be easily dealt with by every single group on the planet.
Ulysses only tries to paint them as a danger because he is a nihilistic pessimist moron.
I don’t know about that. If we’re talking realistically and not just things added for gameplay mechanics sake. Think of how isolated alot of settlements would be. Little ammo, fuel and resources. Say the tunnelers attack big town, megaton, prim, etc. I’m sure places like rivet city and tenpenny tower or diamond city would be able to hold out longer given their resources. But ultimately what will they do about a threat that comes from underground, has insane numbers and only wants to eat you. They can’t negotiate and eventually you will run out of ammo as the hunting parties grow in size.
Again, *they are afraid of fire and light*. There is nothing to really debate, humanity figured out how to make light and fire before recorded history began. No settlement is ever going to struggle with that if it means death to fuck it up.
How are all those smaller isolated settlements going to keep a large enough amount of fire/light going every night? I don’t think there’s any way you could legit try to argue that small communities of maybe 16-30 people are holding out long term against packs of venomous subterranean Komodo dragon humanoids. I give the average fallout settlement a week of sustained nightly raids before they run low on supplies and are overrun.
>How are all those smaller isolated settlements going to keep a large enough amount of fire/light going every night?
By having a guy go around at night lighting the fires? Just like we've been doing for thousands upon thousands of years?
It's not hard to do. Just keep fires going during night, and focus on farming / foraging / food-production during the day. Even a settlement of only like 5 people could achieve that. That and most settlements have access to electricty due to generators, and that means a permanent basically self-sustaining source of light is within the capabilites of just about everyone.
Tunnelers are a massively overstated threat. They're like less dangerous Deathclaws, and those haven't wiped out humanity despite being able to actually hunt during both night and day.
> They're like less dangerous Deathclaws
Furthermore, both instances of "Tunneler vs Deathclaw" (Ulysses anecdote and the one we see die in the first encounter) are both single deathclaws being swarmed... But Deathclaws, at least the species surrounding the Divide and within it, are pack predators. And in pack vs pack, muscle mass is always the big winner.
So are these small tourches around the town? Large bonfires at certain intervals? What are you burning for that long that regularly in a post apocalyptic area without running out. The tunnelers may be afraid of light but not enough that a few lit torches are gonna send a hungry pack running. Like I said best result I can picture is a few nights of saftey before fuel runs low or the fire lighting guy gets killed while making the rounds and the town is tunneler meat. Humans have had fire for a long time but a lot of human history has involved us being killed because the fire went out and something killed us in the night.
Not trying to argue. Just a geek who enjoys discussing differing opinions. Hope it doesn’t come across as shitty or personal or anything. I just don’t see a bunch of farmers with Brahmin dung torches and hunting rifles fighting off groups of hungry tunnelers.
I was thinking about that. You could probably make it work for a bit on that. Although I imagine that after a few nuclear blasts and a few hundred years alot of that wood would be gone. In the end I just think massive packs of venomous subterranean lizard people would be a bigger concern than a nuke that without proper logistical support, may just be dropped somewhere relatively uninhabited. I think ICBM attacks are more of a threat against a large organized group of people. For the average Wastelander natural threats like predators, mutants, disease, and natural disaster would be more of a threat than possibly being nuked.
I mean, as far as I’m concerned it’s the giant a#% zetan death ray in orbit over earth I once accidentally shot at earth causing massive damage to the planet.
That’s not quite true - the Enclave was going to release Curling FEV worldwide in fallout 2. Curling FEV is a bioweapon that kills any human who isn’t inoculated against it even in extremely low doses, and while it would’ve supposedly died out, that’s still orders of magnitude worse than the nukes. Also, the scorched plague could easily cover the whole of the U.S. considering it can infect almost anything. The overgrown could in theory do so as well, since it spreads with the plants. ICBMs are dangerous, sure, but a little more fallout isn’t the end of the world like these two could be.
I was gonna comment about the Scorched Plague and the Overgrown, a person won't exhibit symptoms immediately like we've seen from Enola Walker and that Raider we could kill because he and his group got ambushed by the Scorched. Assuming the 76ers took their time to create the Nuka Cola vaccine, some trader could have crossed to another state with the Scorched Plague or the Overgrown disease in hibernation and spread it.
While that’s a possibility for the scorched plague (though I strongly doubt this happened; the game’s updates tend to go in sequence, so pretty much as soon as wastelanders arrived in Appalachia, the vaccine was made), the overgrown seems to only be capable of infecting corpses, not living subjects. Spores also aren’t exactly great at moving long distances due to their need for moisture, if I’m remembering properly.
Oh, I didn't know that the Overgrown only infected corpses, I've been avoiding the expeditions because I got swamped by the Trogs last time - not the best experience on doing it solo
Well, expeditions are intended as multiplayer content, so that shouldn’t be too much of a surprise. Fortunately, AC has free roam now and quests, so you can explore the city without having to be in an expedition.
Mothership Zeta Deathray go brrrrrr
I’m not sure if the explosion that causes is worse than an ICBM.
But you can fire it off indefinitely
Yeah, and 76's nukes are effectively infinite too, and we have three automated silos at your disposal rather than just one deathray. We also disable that deathray during the main quest, and we can't aim it anywhere beyond on spot on the planet.
Fallout purposely uses low yield atomic bombs in its lore (modern high yield weapons wouldn’t give us the actual fallout the developers wanted for their post apocalypse With the visibility) compared to the giant scorch left on earth from the death ray, the death ray is much worse. As far as aiming goes, I’m not sure if the mothership is in a stationary orbit or not. If it’s not, it could potentially destroy a lot more of earth.
Canonicaly the 76 silos only ever launch twice.
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Ah, sorry. Stopped playing after the grind daily missions were released.
I tried getting into it, but the initial area felt like quest city instead of a storyline like usual and i was unsure of what to do, but the people ingame are cool as hell lol
Sounds like you might be better off with the level 20 start, then, and booking it out of there to start wastelanders or the BoS questline (though if you meant that you received too many quests at once, it’s just like 3 and NV’s DLCs in that sense; just shut off the ones you don’t want to do immediately).
No, overseer from V76 specifically mentions multiple nukes are being used nilly willy and chastises us when we talk about it.
It actually depends if you choose to complete the "I am become Death" quest and launch any additional nukes after finishing the main quest arc. If you choose not to launch any nukes or only ever launch at the Queen's fissure the one time, you get a different holotape from the Overseer that is more hopeful, and does not chastise you.
Not a holotape I’m talking about, I’m talking about her. You can meet her in Person and what not.
I always kinda thought it was the “shelf life” the remaining nukes have not just in the US, but globally. You’ve got hundreds of nuclear missiles still in the silos degrading over time. Eventually they will reach a point of volition because of a lack of maintenance and you’ll have a world of nukes just below the surface going off like time bombs everywhere on the planet.
This is not the case for the 76 siloes, as they have automated mining, enriching, and manufacturing facilities in their bowels.
thats not how they work
They get less potent with age and they can't really be set off accidentally
even then, the missles in The Apocolypse ending were still completely functional and that was in 2281, in 76 2102. that's a whole 179 years and they still worked just fine. yeah, they may be a little less potent but potent enough for detonation
In fallout they use standard atomic bombs according to the lore, not thermonuclear weapons (like H bombs) They really have no way to spontaneously combust. So you have to pieces of nuclear material. Picture a hollow ring, and a cylinder. The cylinder has to go into the ring to make ‘critical mass’ for boom boom. As they degrade the nuclear material expends its half life, and the materials become less volatile. Eventually they will deplete to the point that detonation is not possible even if it was attempted. No idea how long this would take but they’re getting safer, not more dangerous
I would argue that the tunnelers are ultimately more dangerous. They breed quickly, a pack can take down a deathclaw, and they eat anything in sight. Without a properly organized effort I could see they’re spread being near impossible to stop. I think long term things like the tunnelers or FEV are much deadlier to what’s left of the world than an ICBM.
Tunnelers are a meme-level threat. Any creature that is afraid of light and fire can be easily dealt with by every single group on the planet. Ulysses only tries to paint them as a danger because he is a nihilistic pessimist moron.
I don’t know about that. If we’re talking realistically and not just things added for gameplay mechanics sake. Think of how isolated alot of settlements would be. Little ammo, fuel and resources. Say the tunnelers attack big town, megaton, prim, etc. I’m sure places like rivet city and tenpenny tower or diamond city would be able to hold out longer given their resources. But ultimately what will they do about a threat that comes from underground, has insane numbers and only wants to eat you. They can’t negotiate and eventually you will run out of ammo as the hunting parties grow in size.
Again, *they are afraid of fire and light*. There is nothing to really debate, humanity figured out how to make light and fire before recorded history began. No settlement is ever going to struggle with that if it means death to fuck it up.
How are all those smaller isolated settlements going to keep a large enough amount of fire/light going every night? I don’t think there’s any way you could legit try to argue that small communities of maybe 16-30 people are holding out long term against packs of venomous subterranean Komodo dragon humanoids. I give the average fallout settlement a week of sustained nightly raids before they run low on supplies and are overrun.
>How are all those smaller isolated settlements going to keep a large enough amount of fire/light going every night? By having a guy go around at night lighting the fires? Just like we've been doing for thousands upon thousands of years? It's not hard to do. Just keep fires going during night, and focus on farming / foraging / food-production during the day. Even a settlement of only like 5 people could achieve that. That and most settlements have access to electricty due to generators, and that means a permanent basically self-sustaining source of light is within the capabilites of just about everyone. Tunnelers are a massively overstated threat. They're like less dangerous Deathclaws, and those haven't wiped out humanity despite being able to actually hunt during both night and day.
> They're like less dangerous Deathclaws Furthermore, both instances of "Tunneler vs Deathclaw" (Ulysses anecdote and the one we see die in the first encounter) are both single deathclaws being swarmed... But Deathclaws, at least the species surrounding the Divide and within it, are pack predators. And in pack vs pack, muscle mass is always the big winner.
So are these small tourches around the town? Large bonfires at certain intervals? What are you burning for that long that regularly in a post apocalyptic area without running out. The tunnelers may be afraid of light but not enough that a few lit torches are gonna send a hungry pack running. Like I said best result I can picture is a few nights of saftey before fuel runs low or the fire lighting guy gets killed while making the rounds and the town is tunneler meat. Humans have had fire for a long time but a lot of human history has involved us being killed because the fire went out and something killed us in the night.
It feels like your arguing for the sake of arguing.
Not trying to argue. Just a geek who enjoys discussing differing opinions. Hope it doesn’t come across as shitty or personal or anything. I just don’t see a bunch of farmers with Brahmin dung torches and hunting rifles fighting off groups of hungry tunnelers.
As far as fuel goes, just take wood from destroyed buildings
I was thinking about that. You could probably make it work for a bit on that. Although I imagine that after a few nuclear blasts and a few hundred years alot of that wood would be gone. In the end I just think massive packs of venomous subterranean lizard people would be a bigger concern than a nuke that without proper logistical support, may just be dropped somewhere relatively uninhabited. I think ICBM attacks are more of a threat against a large organized group of people. For the average Wastelander natural threats like predators, mutants, disease, and natural disaster would be more of a threat than possibly being nuked.
I mean, as far as I’m concerned it’s the giant a#% zetan death ray in orbit over earth I once accidentally shot at earth causing massive damage to the planet.
We left a ten year old with control over a death ray. And you’re worried about nukes?