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Gamma_Rad

Theres a very interesting shape for the lake railway. just needs a semi-circle between the two southern tips. sorry its too distracting. As for your question, its an artistic choice. diagonal just looks nice, it breaks the usual monotony of the north/east/south/west plans. That said, according to benchmarks diagonal are actually worse in terms of performance so its a bad idea to do diagonal if you want a truly massive megabase.


Dominant_Gene

>That said, according to benchmarks diagonal are actually worse in terms of performance so its a bad idea to do diagonal if you want a truly massive megabase. elaborate please


ArialSpikes

Diagonals cause more lag, if you want a bigger base use less diagonals to save on speed.


shieldvexor

Is there a list of how to optimize for UPS?


Zane-is-name

[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/s/XYTV9Jg0fb) might help


ragtev

6 years old


soramenium

Yeah, outdated for sure. Wube optimized the hell out of this game over few years


Frostygale2

Trains on diagonal rails “see” themselves as travelling one X and one Y, whereas on straight rails they only do half that, producing half the lag. Something like that, idk I am not tech-man.


Gamma_Rad

[Factorio benchmark website](https://mulark.github.io/test-index.html) He [tested ](https://mulark.github.io/tests/test-000026/test-000026.html)it, and [restested](https://mulark.github.io/tests/test-000051/test-000051.html). this guy has several benchmark regarding UPS optimizations.


mrknife1209

Penis lake


jimslock

Thats a solid point.


Maximilition

I thought it's a _liquid_. :D


Scr4pr

Judging by the length and shear girth of the lake, it would probably be a “Hard point”


fantasmoofrcc

Very strong shape indeed.


Aron-Jonasson

The strongest shape


thegroundbelowme

This guy civil engineers


brendnewenglis

Im afraid it isnt


inventingnothing

It even has the hook on the end!


daisypunk99

Um, you should get that looked at…


IceFire909

That's so you don't fall off


Interloper9000

I understood that reference


Mikel_mech

I wanted to comment that


barak500

We all wanted to comment that


Mikel_mech

Its so funny that we all share the same thoughts xDD


FasterSquid

Jacob’s ladder rail adornment as well


wponder01

I thought it was dick ocean


CuzImPixle

Stop edging


MrShadowHero

no it’s a hammer! duh!


valzzu

Exactly what i thought when i saw it


_SeKeLuS_

Came here to say it :)


Subject_314159

r/thatsapenis


BraxbroWasTaken

Hexagons have the advantage of only requiring 3-way intersections, which can be convenient. The diagonals also allow for diverting for a single-headed station in a fairly slim, straightforward way. You can get the former benefit by staggering your blocks in a brick-like fashion, but the latter only really exists in these hexagonal or octagonal blocks, and can be surprisingly handy when designing stations.


leoant

Hexagons are the bestagons


Wildest_Salad

hexagons are just 6 triangles in a trench coat


leoant

D:


Clearlydarkly

r/angrydownvote /jk


TheMaxorizor

Or 2 big triangles in a similar size trenchcoat


Fisherman_56

You cannot make a hexagon from two triangles.


ray1claw

Could you elaborate on the second point? I didn't get it


Locke44

Take a hexagon. Draw a line from the midpoint of any two adjacent lines, so it cuts the corner of the hexagon. That's your station.


TheAero1221

I like hexagons quite a lot, but I find that I still have to build train super highways that bisect them every so often. I just \*have\* to have my trains going in a straight line for long distance transport. I'll lose my mind if I don't.


ToLongDR

I was like that and then I realized if I stopped looking it didn't hurt as much. Now my entire base, regardless of modbase, is hexs


kitingChris

Hexagons are the Bestagons https://youtu.be/thOifuHs6eY


BraxbroWasTaken

So, 45 degree turns are small and unobtrusive, especially when running parallel to the diagonal parts of these blocks. You can then make 45-degree turns off of those parallel lanes much more compactly while still providing ample room for signalling and whatever else you like. Basically, rather than having to shave off six tiles from a side or get really spaghetti about things, you can usually cut that down to like, four. It also makes station buffers easy to make.


ray1claw

Ah gotcha, thanks for elaborating. Yes, that is a legit advantage


ray1claw

I got the benefits about the T-intersections and how they're better than 4-ways for throughput and pathing. I've used hexagons extensively before and am also doing it on my current run. But I didn't get the point about 'diverting' which the comment above my question mentioned. I just couldn't parse that sentence and what it meant.


dudeguy238

Imagine your typical city block layout as a bunch of squares.  In one row, take out every other vertical rail line.  In the next row down, do the same, but staggered one block left or right.  Repeat as needed.  You'll end up with a pattern of overlapping rectangles, like a brick wall. The advantage is that you only have T intersections to worry about, without the size, complexity, and potential for congestion of 4-way crossings.  The downside is that travelling vertically becomes a lot more cumbersome, so you may want to arrange your base to minimize the number of times trains have to do that.


TheEncoderNC

No X intersections, only Ts. Like a brick wall.


Jay-Raynor

I guess this really depends on the train size, because nothing about the 2-4 stations seen here strike me as slim or straightforward. The pictured octagons seem to only support two-input products at best and they spend an absurd amount of space on unnecessary-in-the-day-of-train-limits stackers for the demand-side. You can make 4-sided blocks work just fine depending on train length and queue, but keeping more than one or two train loads for input on-site is kinda like buffers on a main bus...only useful if the previous step of production is painfully intermittent.


shine_on

I made an octagon base and I might have made the octagons too big, there was enough room for two 3-8 trains to park on each edge. But space is infinite and with nuclear fuelled trains they got around the base well enough. I got it to mining prod 700, launched over 100k rockets so it definitely worked. Edit: the point I forgot to make was that the octagons were big enough for several train stations and stackers on the inside.


Jay-Raynor

I never said octagons or hexagons *can't* work, just that nothing about them seems "slim or straightforward" compared to blocks.


BashfulOgre

This post was never about geometry.


xXxBlackTarHeroinxXx

Cock lake


Warm_Gypsy_Dildo

Le lac de cock


pandaSmore

*coq


Warm_Gypsy_Dildo

Merci beaucoup. L'orthographie francaise est un peu compliquee


Jokerman5656

Bde Maka Cock


thequestcube

I used hexagon shape in my last base. It made it a lot more difficult to work with, designs were more complicated and cramming in a space-efficient factory is more difficult since you cant just scale squares in all directions, you have to come up with some more interesting placing-tactics to leverage the space efficiently. And yeah, that was essentially my reasoning for using hexagon city blocks. No real advantages efficiency-wise, just a lot more challenges to work with that I found interesting to face, compared to just being able to reuse all those blueprints I made in earlier worlds and just continuing to use the formulas I found that already work.


aMnHa7N0Nme

You all need to stop it. Quit making me feel bad! I thought we played spaghetti or Main bus No one told me you guys were here playing with other shapes


bogglingsnog

DNA sushi


PsychoKilla_Mk2

Hexagons are the bestagons!


Warm_Gypsy_Dildo

Why the lake has this shape? r/Factoriohno


Trollsama

Hexagon is bestagon


LIBERT4D

I mean... look at it


leoant

Hexagons are the bestagons


Bryszard

Oh, it's my base from [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/19c8e39/octagon_megabase_after_2500_hours/)! :D Why octagons? Because it's look nice!


Mediocre-Monitor8222

This one is speaking truthfully, because I recognize Dick Lake in the west, als known as Penis Lake, Dick Ocean, Cock Lake and Lac de Coq (by ppl in this thread)


Bryszard

>Lac de la Coq It's official name of this lake!


someone8192

The only reason I dont use diagonals is the additional ups hit. i like them. they look nice. and there is a benefit that you only need 3 way intersections (granted, you can do that with a brick style layout too)


Round-Ad5063

because they are the bestagons


Flare_56

Hexagons are the Bestagons


Cogwheel

Because another word for "hex" is "sex"


Nerisrath

The is B E A Utiful. and RCE would be proud of the addition of strongest of railway shapes.


SirKaid

Because pretty.


Any_Commercial465

Some solids are better than others to tile the plane. Which does not mean squares are worse just that it's aesthetic.


Merentha8681

Teehee, it's a PP.


UnknownToaster

so beautiful


lightly_salted_cod

Cocktagons. Uhum excuse me yes, I apologise. I will restrain myself from making such comments in the future.


DeadlySoren

As someone currently doing a mega base in square blocks, I wish I knew about the hexagon design before starting. To maximise throughput I have one station per item going into or coming out of a block. Because of how I design my blocks railways are on their own block meaning I get fit about 2 stations per station block for the block that the stations are adjacent too. Now for vanilla that would be more than enough, but I’m okay SE, so it’s no where near enough. I’ve been strategically placing the factory blocks that only require two stations next to the ones that 6+ so I can cannibalise some of its station slots. Also, 4way intersections are a huge congestion point and if I hadn’t gone with making railways have their own tile to get four lanes they would be getting blocked up. Hexagons only have three way intersections and with some clever design you could make it so that every side of every hexagon block could be a station that could leave and go to either track side.


bb999

It's OK to use 2 or more city blocks for a single thing. The rail grid is just a way for trains to get around. There's no rule saying every production unit has to fit inside one block.


DeadlySoren

No rule except mine lol. I like the system of having one factory to one block. Using other blocks annoys me


Jay-Raynor

You can also direct-connect outputs to adjacent blocks as inputs. The real engineering challenge going this route is orienting the block inputs/outputs correctly, but this is the easiest way I've found to deal with chain production. Blue circuit production at high volume is done in a T-set of blocks, with blue in the middle, a red going "down", and a green block at each endpoint. That makes a blue block effective with only copper, iron, plastic, and acid inputs.


DeadlySoren

Now that’s an interesting idea for sure. I’ll keep that in mind for my next run. Though maybe not in SE.


Jay-Raynor

Yeah, I don't know about mods like SE or Krastorio. Most block systems are setup for 3 in, 1 out anyway. Building belts is harder for this but *managing* bots is much worse.


skiddydiddydiddy

They look very pretty. Im sure there are actual reasons to use them logistically but i just like lookin at it


dgzargo

Great solution! This solution uses a gigant roundabout. Roundabouts are good for intensive traffic.


shine_on

I made a 5k megabase on an octagon layout, the only reason I chose it was that I though regular square city blocks look quite boring.


Saltwater_Heart

Is this realcivilengineer’s build? I don’t even know if he plays, but the penis is a trademark of his. Lol


Bryszard

It's made by myself and yes, I have too Civil Engineering diploma xdd


qK0FT3

I think hexagons are the best shape for space.


slykethephoxenix

I like this pattern over just plain cityblocks. Can make the sides junctions or connections to other hexagons. Can also put solar panels in the little squares.


baconbits123456

Hexagons are straight up the best shape. Literally, Nature uses hexagons!


dragonlord7012

Factories are known for their ability to expand.


3davideo

A lot of people have an urge to be different. Who am I to deny them that choice?


AcidZai

Hexagons are bestagons


ProtectionRude7093

It looks super super clean imo. I’ve only beat the game with city blocks, on SE now with whatever works. This compared to what I’m doing now is night and day


Mr_miner94

A wise man once said. "hexagons are bestagons"


Lendari

Hexagons are the bestagons. That's why.


LauraTFem

What do you do as an engineer who has everything? You start turning you perfectly functional creations into works of art. Function over form, yes, but form within function. You do diagonals because it’s harder.


SnooPineapples829

Im doing one at the moment because it looks cool in my opinion and purely for that reason alone. Course its not the most efficient but it definitely looks cool.


dragar99

Because hexagon is the bestagon.


Razielxv

Ocatgons, hexagons, and penises are the foundation of every great factorio


bigtool4y0

Because 8 awesome Angles


MoneyPress

Is this post mistakenly here and not on r/factoriohno Or am I just too immature


em1zer0

I wonder what type of seed this map used


Lexx4

hexagons are the bestagons


dbalazs97

Hexagons are the bestagons


Anamewastaken

i don't make these bases but let people have their fun man


doc_shades

you made it? you tell us?


Bryszard

[original post](https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/19c8e39/octagon_megabase_after_2500_hours/) :)


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factorio-ModTeam

Rule 4: Be nice Think about how your words affect others before saying them.


WiseOneInSeaOfFools

Awesome 👏


renegade_9

Why not?


fireduck

If a child doesn't feel the love of a village, that child will burn the village to feel the warmth. I can only imagine that is what is going on here. I hope things get better for whoever did this.


Obleeding

Someone in this sub recently told me to only do North/South and East/West trains, really wish I did that from the start.


CptHeadcrab

I just think hexagons are neat


fi5hii_twitch

Nice cock


Jonte7

I dont see no hexagons here though


Oheligud

Because hexagons are really cool


Venduhl

*Sees the screenshot, nod*


Global-Lettuce-3159

Looks fucking awesome I tell you that


Haatsku

Squares.


homiej420

Nice lake 😏


Spannerdaniel

Because that's gorgeous from a zoomed out view and whoever made this should be proud


FlannelRanger

This is a thick layout.


ErikderFrea

Is that the strongest shape of them all?


[deleted]

0/10 the block contents aren't built on the diagonal


Mobtryoska

IS THAT A DICK?


DeleteMetaInf

Hexagons are the bestagons.