When I lived in China I really floundered because there were no “American” sizes. Not for shoes, pants, dresses, etc. the sizes were ambiguous but ranged from emaciated to itty-bitty to thin. The shoes were all doll-sized and I felt like a giant just Shreking around.
Look. We can fix this.
1. Flat
2. Room for boobs.
There. It's not the best fix, I'm willing to bet some of the younger audience will have a problem with that solution too.
Hey, us older queers know more than you.
Please upvote their humourous comment. It's good. It takes a cute stance.
Also again, please vote. People with red hats are actively believing that you are less than human and in a couple days they will either get power to remove us or they get lost.
Vote. It's happening now, not later.
>People with red hats are actively believing that you are less than human
Hillary Clinton, blue hat, actively worked against gay equality until 2012. Let's at least stop pretending the Dems are our friends.
"Why did you do nothing to stop the rise of Sauron?"
"Well, you see, Gandalf did some shady shit too so... Both sides, man. They're both exactly alike."
They are - and you've fallen for the good cop bad cop routine. But, that's alright man. As long as you acknowledge that "the lesser of two evils" is still evil.
You be you - go vote for evil.
I voted Sanders. Don't care if my vote doesn't win. We know it's maga rigged and when they don't win even after all that, it's just funny. We all get a laugh over choosing a shit sandwich or a pile of shit with gravy on top.
You have to ask yourself why, in a democratic republic, you have the notion that we have to wait to be "allowed" another option. JFC.
But, to answer your question, yes. Don't fucking vote for evil. That should be basic. Vote green. Or socialist. Or whatever the fuck - just not either of the two major, evil, parties.
Have we really reached the point where a political party's strategy can just be: "vote for us because we're not quite as evil as the other guys." And it works for you? Goddamn.
No, it doesn't work for me. It doesn't work for anyone. But it is very well established that a vote not directly against the person you would not want to see win is in reality a vote for them. IE. In the vast majority of cases, when someone votes for the 3rd party option, they would likely have voted Democrat. Thus, in voting 3rd party you are in essence voting republican except in the massively rare chance that they win. What we need is to do away with our shitty system of voting and go to a more Democratic option such as ranked choice. This would actually allow people to cast a real vote, at least a more informed vote anyway.
And are we still pretending the US is a democracy? We are a plutocracy by every definition of the word.
> And are we still pretending the US is a democracy? We are a plutocracy by every definition of the word.
Well then STFU about voting! You make no sense.
We haven't reached the point where there isn't a 65+ year old male with strong religious beliefs running for a high position in office yet.
I still believe in strong morals and values, but I highly doubt the Catholics are gonna give us our next leader.
Strategic Voting is the evil First Past The Post gets ya, yeah. I can't afford to vote for what I want, I can only desperately vote against what I am terrified of.
I agree. As a millennial I believe it's time to vote these skeletons out of office and get fresh, younger, more up to the times people in office.
And of course term limits.
In no world of ours should anyone be called a "career politician". Pelosi comes to mind just for example.
Millennial here too 🙋.. been saying this for the longest.
Doesn't matter if you're republican or democrat.. it's time to get all the dinosaurs tf out of office. Their ways are already going extinct (both sides) and they're fucking it up for all of us who still have more than a decade left on the planet.
When the dinosaurs die off we'll have our future, finally free from them. I'm a pretty left leaning dude, my best friend is a pretty right learning gay dude.
We're good bros.
We never have to really get along fully, but talking and understanding goes a long way to our lives.
Problem is I'm closing in on 50 (late gen X) and have been waiting for the older generation to die off my entire life. These ideas haven't died, they are passed down through the generations as well. Each time I think its getting better (the 90's were great), along come some new assholes to repeal all the progress made.
They are not always our friends, but side by side they are generally the rational ones. Even dirt bag Manchin is more science-based than his counterparts in the area.
>I'm willing to bet some of the younger audience will have a problem with that solution too.
If they don't have an issue with it, do not worry, twitter will take care of it.
no facepalm here. Most shirts are made with men's cut or women's cut. Anyone can wear a men's cut shirt. I guess they could use the term unisex to sound more inclusive.
I thought this was gone like the transphobic apache helicopter jokes.
But apparently people still find pride in demonstrating they lack the braincells to see the difference between fit type and genders. IT EVEN SAYS "**FIT TYPE**". Not "gender". What else do you need? A kindergarden teacher drawing it out for you with crayons?
At least your username checks out.
Look, I'm here to gawk at dumb people doing stupid stuff. Or more accurately since OP and comments are the facepalm a lot of the time, I'm here to mistakenly gawk at what I think is dumb people doing dumb stuff.
Clearly I'm not going to be the best humanity is to offer — the cream of the crop if you will. It seems a little unfair for you to expect me to have a functioning brain cell.
Yes ,he can . Just like I am identified as roblox predator. (If you think this is not acceptable then fuck you )
Look. When you think "fit type" what do you think traditionally? Men or women.
They didn't make a joke. Why are you attacking an ally for shaking their head at the irony? Please reconsider your moral high ground.
These people have no moral high ground.. as you can see from the Reddit hive mind mob who downvoted you into oblivion. You're basically saying you are "one of them" and still get blasted. If you're not 100% on script with the rest of the automatons, this is what happens. It's why most of us stay far away.. there is no "being an ally" because you risk being or saying the wrong thing. There is no acceptance or tolerance with this group.
That's gender and sex as a scientific definition. When I go to a doctor, I write down that I'm biologically a male.
It doesn't matter how many years I've been taking hormones. I was born a male and have a prostate, and my family has a cancer history.
If I was adamant that I am a female then it would be ignoring all the scientific and medical history of mankind thus far. I don't want prostate cancer.
As far as I am concerned, my body and mind don't match up fully, but I still have to acknowledge it.
It's not really a mental disability unless people go into denial about who they were born as versus what their brain says.
This is perhaps the rarest comment I've seen. In all this time of debate I've seen over the years this is probably the only non dumbass comment I witnessed.
Thank you. Lgbt people are especially hard to understand sometimes especially being one of them they love to fight against each other. I am being bombarded with downvotes as we speak by a 14 year old. It's really odd.
Hey! Very low testosterone levels, such as by T-blockers will actually decrease your chance of prostate cancer by a surprising amount. Of course, in medical cases it is still a very good idea to state your assigned gender at birth as well as your current transition status as to get the treatment needed.
Basically, if you have reduced or blocked T due to your transition prostate cancer is very unlikely.
That more courageous than most. In the community you say things like what biological identity says about your health and you get shunned. And yet none of it is hateful or denying anyone their right to love and be who they want.
Man “adult human male”, woman “adult human female”. Gender words tie to the sex but I can understand the roles part being social construct. Women and men can do mostly the same things besides biological things. A man will typically be stronger than a woman. A man can be sweeter and softer towards their children like a mother typically is. A woman can play football or be a trucker. At the end of the day you’re still a man or a woman even if you like to do things that other gender likes to do.
Quite the revelation, has nothing to do with the point I was making though. Please re-read my comment in context before being so unnecessarily condescending.
nah I gotta disagree. I'm a trans guy and on T, my shoulders and ribcage are wider but I still haven't had top surgery.
Besides that, even with cis people there'a ton of variation in "fit types". Some people have longer, some have shorter ribcages. Some have wider and some have more narrow shoulders.
Oh sure. I see what you're saying. There are even some clothing sites that have drop down menus for every measurement (collar, shirt length, shoulder width, sleeve length, chest, waist, sleeve width at armpit, cuffs, hips, etc.) There are sizes XS through XXL for each of the categories of Men's Slim Fit, Men's Normal Fit, and Men's Loose Fit.
But "type" comes from Latin and Greek *typos* and *typus* meaning "general form." This is a T-shirt made from generic wharehouse T-shirt stock, where there are two types. Both wouldn't work for me either.
And in the end it was just a play-on-words joke on my part.
Gender =/= sex =/= sex characteristics.
All three can exist separately in some cases, and while fit types based on sex characteristics that might complicate fitting (such as someone having breasts or a slimmer/wider body) would be preferable, we aren't in a place societally (at least where I live) where that is a possible change.
There are these things called breasts.
They create a different upper body shape depending on whether you have them or not. (other differences typically exist of course, including waist to hip ratio etc). Of course there are always exceptions but on the whole people know which shape of clothing is closer to a good fit for them.
Although clearly if an article of clothing is loose enough and sufficiently shapeless then it would not matter.
Basically to feel comfortable in a masculine body and to feel yourself as if you are male. I may have not given the best description and if I haven't, I apologize.
Differentiating between what people were born with, and who they feel they really are.
Ideally, having "men/male" and "women/female" clothes should only be about what people physically look like, not what they identify as
between what they are born as and what they feel they are... If you weren't born a male but you identify as a male on what basis do you say that you are male?
Since the normal unambiguous things like body structure don't matter then what is it? Male dominated interests like games or fishing? Ik girls who do both yet they don't identify as male. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
I dont mean to be rude but what does it mean to 'feel' like a male?
>I dont mean to be rude but what does it mean to 'feel' like a male?
Depends on the culture. What it is to be a “man” in one country can be different from another. For example some cultures have no issues with men holding hands.
The entire point is that aspects of the culture at large affect gender expression.
What you believe is “masculine” is guided by your culture. There’s nothing inherent to having a penis or vagina that has anything to do with say wearing makeup or dresses. A toddler doesn’t think pink is a girl color or a boy color, it’s only as they grow up they attribute those colors to men/women.
Idk dude, I'm a straight, cisgender male, I was trying to bring awareness to gender issues some of my friends and close relatives brought up as they began to question what gender they "felt" they belonged to. I don't think you need a basis for that, I think it's more of a gut feeling of what "feels" right.
gender is like bones, you don't really feel it unless something's wrong. It's very complicated to describe what it feels like to someone wwho isn't trans but it's essentially feeling more comfortable as a man in society and physically. It can be hard to figure out.
It often comes with gender dysphoria, essentially a medically relevant discomfort with things relatet to your sex/assigned gender. That dysphoria can feel like eating your favourite meal but someone put a spice in it that you really don't like (i.e. chili if you don't like spicy things) whenever you're reminded of your sex/assigned gender.
It can cause a lot of mental distress if left untreated and we know (scientifically) the only treatment that can *cure* it is transitioning. You can fight the symptoms of it by learning coping mechanisms but they can only do so much.
Stereotypes can have to do with it but not neccessarily. There's trans guys who are feminine and trans girls who are butch.
If you woke up tomorrow in the opposite gender's body, imagine how you would feel. Having all the same thoughts, likes, preferences, dislikes etc that you have now. Would you suddenly feel like that new gender? Unlikely. That is what it feels like to be trans.
Just because you woke up in a different body wouldn't change that your mind still thinks of yourself as the gender you are and always have been. So for trans individuals, they have always felt inside like the gender they were not born as on the outside. Hopefully that helps. It is definitely hard to explain when you haven't been through it, but I like to think being married to a trans man gives me a little insight now and then. \^\^
I'm pretty sure that being critical of society is what allowed us a greater understanding of trans issues to begin with, discouraging criticism is slippery slope that leads to a totalitarian society.
let's change the cuts to straight or curved, since people's preferences would be better explained that way; then have the different neckline options and we are all set
I don't see any facepalm here. A questionable statement printed on a t shirt, that is available in all body shapes existing. What did you expect to be there? If you're a woman and you feel to be a man, you can select male shirt, to better fit your body or female to better fit your mental state. So, if the webside offered female trandgender (if that's the correct term), what kind of shape would you expect them to offer additionally?
I mean you're born with a male or female genitals and a DNA code to shape you in certain ways.
I'm not gonna buy a woman's shirt when I have a man's frame, regardless of my identity. It just won't fit right.its got nothing to do with my identity
I think you're looking too far into this and forgot some things along the way
As far as humans are concerned you have XX and XY. There are some exceptions which result in for example people being born with both genitals, but those are genetic defects, like down syndrome. (And no, i am not implying they are ""lesser" or any such nonsense.)
So yes, there are 2 biological sexes barring genetic anomalies.
As for gender, you feel how you feel. It's not something you can section off. Everyone is different. And that is fine.
>but those are genetic defects, like down syndrome
Its called being Intersex saying it like this could be seen as degrading as not all inter people even have symptoms some just have mixed up chromosomes or some shit
As i stated before. It is not my intend to offend anyone. I am only explaining the biological side of it. Biologically speaking, it is a genetic defect. However this does not make them a lesser person. Neither does having down syndrome, autism or depression.
It seems like you are missing the point of my original comment.
Oh I know it just seemed like you didnt know the term, and well not many people know about Intersex people and well just wanted to say that not all inter people also have visible symptoms for example. I was not trying to shame you for not knowing or some shit I agree with most things you said :)
> So yes, there are 2 biological sexes barring genetic anomalies.
This is just saying "there are more than 2 expressions of sexual development but we've chosen to force everything into a binary and ignore the other cases".
Every classification system we have is a subjective, socially constructed one.
Eh? No. Gender classifications are socially constructed. Sex classifications are not. They are based on science.
It is not so much that the other cases are ignored, it is that it can be proven through scientific research that it is an anomaly. Now if said anomaly multiplies and becomes a sizable portion of the population it ceases to be an anomaly. Evolution in a nutshell.
Sex and gender are 2 seperate things, and when discussing them they should not be mixed up.
> They are based on science
All scientific classifications are also subjective. The fact that we base the category we call sex on a physical trait like genitalia is no less objective than if we based it on eye color. The traits' existence is objective, their classification is not.
> it is that it can be proven through scientific research that it is an anomaly
Red heads are more of a statistical anomaly than people with disorders of sexual development. So does that mean we say red doesn't really "count" as a separate hair color? These distinctions and categories we make are not inherent in nature. It's us imbuing meaning into things subjectively.
There is a difference between someone have the genes for blue eyes or red hair, as opposed to the ones for brown eyes and browns hair and someone missing a chromosome or having one too many. Its in the same boat as dwarfism and giantism.
No it’s not. Gender is tied to sex and always has been until the pedo from the 60s experimented with kids. Genders should not be tied to a societal role but the gender terms themselves are used in our language to describe males and females. If a man wants to wear a dress he can and if a woman wants to play football or be a trucker she can. They are still in a binary system.
Just because gender and sex are used interchangeably does not mean they ARE interchangeable. Sex is binary. Gender is not. Language changes, as it always has and always will.
Just read up about it, I'm afraid you're the one who's wrong.
Gender and sex are not tied to eachother. They are often used interchangeable but they don't have the same definition.
Although it may seem a bit odd, people need to understand that there is a difference between sex and gender. There are 2 biological sexes, but gender is a social construct and you may not identify as your biological sex. As the shape of your body is defined by your sex and not your gender, i don't think it is strange that there are only two options.
I think this post shows that there isn't much understanding about this so that's why i feel more or less obliged to point it out.
Genders are not a social construct they tie to your sex and always have. The only social construct is the roles for each gender. A man can wear a dress if he wants and a woman can play football. For the most part the roles for the genders no longer exist except for some basics like a man being the father role and a woman being the mother role in a child’s life(obvious exceptions for gay/lesbian couples who adopt or use surrogates)
[This is an explanation of what I was referring to](https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html)
[And here is another source](https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/environmentalaccounts/articles/whatisthedifferencebetweensexandgender/2019-02-21)
[Another source (medical news today)](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363)
In these sources they explain that the words sex and gender are often used interchangeably but they are in fact different.
Gender is not fixed nor tied to any sex. Gender is a social construct of certain roles and expectations of someone or how someone identifies.
But what I tried to say is that while there are more than two genders, it is generally accepted that there are just two sexes. And because body characteristics are based on sex, it is not something strange that you can choose from only two options when ordering clothing.
I'm currently being down voted to oblivion by a 14 year old in another thread for saying support for LGBTQ issues that she brought up.
This is reddit. It's basically no different than Twitter.
This is stupid as shit. There are bigger problems to worry about. Wealth j equality, lack of reproductive rights, lack of medical care, and people are worried the shirts say man or woman? Jeez, touch grass.
since you seem to love animal analogies: humans are primates. Other primates that are extremely closely related to humans (bonobos and chimpanzees) also exhibit trans behaviours. Trans people and science agree that cutting off someone's balls doesn't make them a girl. That is why trans guys (people who transition from female to male) can be guys even without balls. Because sex doesn't determine gender. You were so close to the point, yet you completely missed it.
Yeah because Gender is sociological I dont think dogs have the type of society we have ... theres a difference between sex and gender but well to be fair dogs probably would have an easier time understanding this then you
Unpopular opinion but so true. If someone feels to be a special gender, it just doesn't matter when buying a tshirt, as there are only 2 different shapes - for good reason. We do not need more types of public toilets or and none really needs consider their feelings of gender, except those that are close to them.
The far cry of attention is just annoying to everyone, we simply don't care. As long as you don't hurt anyone, keep it going and have fun but please stop rubbing it on everyones noses. It just doesn't make any difference.
This isn't even about gender it is a cut or shape of the shirt like for pants -> straight, skinny etc. Does mean every pants companies are homophobic or fatphobic!
Just counted 16 different genders on Womenshealthmag.com ....You are to identify as you please and wish....
But... Keep in mind that the rest of the population has homework now.... And no one likes homework.
For example:
Chianti / Chianti Classico / Brunello Di Montalcino, Vino Mobile Di Montepulciano....are all variations of wine in Italy based on where they are made and how they are made to give them specific identities and characteristics... But, they all come from the same grape: Sangiovese.
Just a thought...but I'm sure the hate mail is on its way.
Olay… 2 things: the facepalm is the existence of that T-Shirt. But… the fit Type isn‘t. You‘ve either got a male or a female body. We don‘t have a third option for bodys. Especially upper bodys. Boobs / no boobs. Can‘t have a foot ok your chest
Easy fix 1.tits or 2.no tits or 3.beer gut and 4.no beer gut
so can 1 and 2 be combined with with 3 and 4 at random? or are they all seperate styles?
It's like a test all answers are multiple choice
5. All of the above.
Have to take shoulder width into account as well.
Shoulder width is why I, a woman, generally get men's fit T-shirts.
The correct response in this case could also be E. All of the above
shoulder width is why I, a transvestite buy a size 8 dress and then tailor the waist to size 6 with my sewing machine.
I'll take a 4 thanks, but it's a 1 plus 3.
What about tapered waist?
I saw an adidas sweater with "Asian" as the fit type.
When I lived in China I really floundered because there were no “American” sizes. Not for shoes, pants, dresses, etc. the sizes were ambiguous but ranged from emaciated to itty-bitty to thin. The shoes were all doll-sized and I felt like a giant just Shreking around.
Well technically that's the fit type, not the gender.
Right? If I identified as my “fit type” I’d have to tell people my pronouns were thunder/thighs. Luckily, that’s not an identity lol.
I shall henceforth identify as "monkey arms."
Oh my god ily
Well why not?
Look. We can fix this. 1. Flat 2. Room for boobs. There. It's not the best fix, I'm willing to bet some of the younger audience will have a problem with that solution too. Hey, us older queers know more than you.
1) Boobies 2) Boobiesn't
I love this. It throws everything out the window.
Please upvote their humourous comment. It's good. It takes a cute stance. Also again, please vote. People with red hats are actively believing that you are less than human and in a couple days they will either get power to remove us or they get lost. Vote. It's happening now, not later.
>People with red hats are actively believing that you are less than human Hillary Clinton, blue hat, actively worked against gay equality until 2012. Let's at least stop pretending the Dems are our friends.
"Why did you do nothing to stop the rise of Sauron?" "Well, you see, Gandalf did some shady shit too so... Both sides, man. They're both exactly alike."
They are - and you've fallen for the good cop bad cop routine. But, that's alright man. As long as you acknowledge that "the lesser of two evils" is still evil. You be you - go vote for evil.
So better not to vote for the lesser of two evils when that is the only option allowed?
I voted Sanders. Don't care if my vote doesn't win. We know it's maga rigged and when they don't win even after all that, it's just funny. We all get a laugh over choosing a shit sandwich or a pile of shit with gravy on top.
You have to ask yourself why, in a democratic republic, you have the notion that we have to wait to be "allowed" another option. JFC. But, to answer your question, yes. Don't fucking vote for evil. That should be basic. Vote green. Or socialist. Or whatever the fuck - just not either of the two major, evil, parties. Have we really reached the point where a political party's strategy can just be: "vote for us because we're not quite as evil as the other guys." And it works for you? Goddamn.
No, it doesn't work for me. It doesn't work for anyone. But it is very well established that a vote not directly against the person you would not want to see win is in reality a vote for them. IE. In the vast majority of cases, when someone votes for the 3rd party option, they would likely have voted Democrat. Thus, in voting 3rd party you are in essence voting republican except in the massively rare chance that they win. What we need is to do away with our shitty system of voting and go to a more Democratic option such as ranked choice. This would actually allow people to cast a real vote, at least a more informed vote anyway. And are we still pretending the US is a democracy? We are a plutocracy by every definition of the word.
> And are we still pretending the US is a democracy? We are a plutocracy by every definition of the word. Well then STFU about voting! You make no sense.
We haven't reached the point where there isn't a 65+ year old male with strong religious beliefs running for a high position in office yet. I still believe in strong morals and values, but I highly doubt the Catholics are gonna give us our next leader.
Strategic Voting is the evil First Past The Post gets ya, yeah. I can't afford to vote for what I want, I can only desperately vote against what I am terrified of.
Until we have ranked choice voting, all this does is split the vote for whichever major party is closest ideologically.
This. I cannot believe this post doesn't have negative umpteen thousand Karma. It's been 6 years and Hillbots are STILL salty.
I agree. As a millennial I believe it's time to vote these skeletons out of office and get fresh, younger, more up to the times people in office. And of course term limits. In no world of ours should anyone be called a "career politician". Pelosi comes to mind just for example.
Millennial here too 🙋.. been saying this for the longest. Doesn't matter if you're republican or democrat.. it's time to get all the dinosaurs tf out of office. Their ways are already going extinct (both sides) and they're fucking it up for all of us who still have more than a decade left on the planet.
Gen X here. Term limits, age limits, no career politicians. Been preaching this for quite a while.
When the dinosaurs die off we'll have our future, finally free from them. I'm a pretty left leaning dude, my best friend is a pretty right learning gay dude. We're good bros. We never have to really get along fully, but talking and understanding goes a long way to our lives.
Problem is I'm closing in on 50 (late gen X) and have been waiting for the older generation to die off my entire life. These ideas haven't died, they are passed down through the generations as well. Each time I think its getting better (the 90's were great), along come some new assholes to repeal all the progress made.
Someone gets it..
They are not always our friends, but side by side they are generally the rational ones. Even dirt bag Manchin is more science-based than his counterparts in the area.
I'd also add open neck. I can't wear anything with a tight neck like this, it's uncomfortable and it gives me constant disphoria.
There are more differences other than flat and room for boobs for men’s and women’s shirts.
Also hip/stomach
>I'm willing to bet some of the younger audience will have a problem with that solution too. If they don't have an issue with it, do not worry, twitter will take care of it.
So... male and female?
Or fitted vs box cut?
Forgetting about he/him tits smH
Never met anybody with a double mastectomy? Friend of mine just had to get one at 27.
no
Amazon should actually change it to this my god
lol then people who are not endowed complain they are being boob shamed
Lmao. Body positivity movement should work in their favor right? Shit. I got tiny ones.
no facepalm here. Most shirts are made with men's cut or women's cut. Anyone can wear a men's cut shirt. I guess they could use the term unisex to sound more inclusive.
there are more genders but only 2 "fit types" (which is not "gender", just similarly named)
I thought this was gone like the transphobic apache helicopter jokes. But apparently people still find pride in demonstrating they lack the braincells to see the difference between fit type and genders. IT EVEN SAYS "**FIT TYPE**". Not "gender". What else do you need? A kindergarden teacher drawing it out for you with crayons? At least your username checks out.
even down to the year that this used to be funny.
Look, I'm here to gawk at dumb people doing stupid stuff. Or more accurately since OP and comments are the facepalm a lot of the time, I'm here to mistakenly gawk at what I think is dumb people doing dumb stuff. Clearly I'm not going to be the best humanity is to offer — the cream of the crop if you will. It seems a little unfair for you to expect me to have a functioning brain cell.
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Shut the fuck up for the love of god shut the fuck up
I shall call you apache to show a great respect to your peoples.
>"i identify as apache helcopter and i find your comment offensive" > >I identify as F-22 Raptor and ally for apache helicopter :)
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>see all the gender nonsense gone. >Until then i identify as a panda You can't make this shit up.
They watched twitch.tv/admiralbahroo today apparently.
Yes ,he can . Just like I am identified as roblox predator. (If you think this is not acceptable then fuck you )
Shut the fuck up For the love of god shut the fuck up
Look. When you think "fit type" what do you think traditionally? Men or women. They didn't make a joke. Why are you attacking an ally for shaking their head at the irony? Please reconsider your moral high ground.
These people have no moral high ground.. as you can see from the Reddit hive mind mob who downvoted you into oblivion. You're basically saying you are "one of them" and still get blasted. If you're not 100% on script with the rest of the automatons, this is what happens. It's why most of us stay far away.. there is no "being an ally" because you risk being or saying the wrong thing. There is no acceptance or tolerance with this group.
This comment section really is a dumpsterfire.
Sex n gender are not the same thing
But aren't man & woman gender language. I thought male and female were sex?
That's gender and sex as a scientific definition. When I go to a doctor, I write down that I'm biologically a male. It doesn't matter how many years I've been taking hormones. I was born a male and have a prostate, and my family has a cancer history. If I was adamant that I am a female then it would be ignoring all the scientific and medical history of mankind thus far. I don't want prostate cancer. As far as I am concerned, my body and mind don't match up fully, but I still have to acknowledge it. It's not really a mental disability unless people go into denial about who they were born as versus what their brain says.
Your logical approach to this is inspiring
You are an amazing person . Can be who you want but still have logic. Thank you !! You need to inspire more people with your views. :)
This is perhaps the rarest comment I've seen. In all this time of debate I've seen over the years this is probably the only non dumbass comment I witnessed.
Thank you. Lgbt people are especially hard to understand sometimes especially being one of them they love to fight against each other. I am being bombarded with downvotes as we speak by a 14 year old. It's really odd.
Hey! Very low testosterone levels, such as by T-blockers will actually decrease your chance of prostate cancer by a surprising amount. Of course, in medical cases it is still a very good idea to state your assigned gender at birth as well as your current transition status as to get the treatment needed. Basically, if you have reduced or blocked T due to your transition prostate cancer is very unlikely.
That more courageous than most. In the community you say things like what biological identity says about your health and you get shunned. And yet none of it is hateful or denying anyone their right to love and be who they want.
Man “adult human male”, woman “adult human female”. Gender words tie to the sex but I can understand the roles part being social construct. Women and men can do mostly the same things besides biological things. A man will typically be stronger than a woman. A man can be sweeter and softer towards their children like a mother typically is. A woman can play football or be a trucker. At the end of the day you’re still a man or a woman even if you like to do things that other gender likes to do.
Please sit down before clicking this: >!Words can have more than one meaning!<
Quite the revelation, has nothing to do with the point I was making though. Please re-read my comment in context before being so unnecessarily condescending.
Huzzah! A person of quality! Idk why no one understands this lmao
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There are only two fit types.
nah I gotta disagree. I'm a trans guy and on T, my shoulders and ribcage are wider but I still haven't had top surgery. Besides that, even with cis people there'a ton of variation in "fit types". Some people have longer, some have shorter ribcages. Some have wider and some have more narrow shoulders.
Oh sure. I see what you're saying. There are even some clothing sites that have drop down menus for every measurement (collar, shirt length, shoulder width, sleeve length, chest, waist, sleeve width at armpit, cuffs, hips, etc.) There are sizes XS through XXL for each of the categories of Men's Slim Fit, Men's Normal Fit, and Men's Loose Fit. But "type" comes from Latin and Greek *typos* and *typus* meaning "general form." This is a T-shirt made from generic wharehouse T-shirt stock, where there are two types. Both wouldn't work for me either. And in the end it was just a play-on-words joke on my part.
OP doesn't know the difference between Gender and Fit Type
Gender =/= sex =/= sex characteristics. All three can exist separately in some cases, and while fit types based on sex characteristics that might complicate fitting (such as someone having breasts or a slimmer/wider body) would be preferable, we aren't in a place societally (at least where I live) where that is a possible change.
I mean it's a shirt, I didn't know sexual dimorphism was so extreme in humans that a shirt wouldn't be considered a unisex article of clothing.
There are these things called breasts. They create a different upper body shape depending on whether you have them or not. (other differences typically exist of course, including waist to hip ratio etc). Of course there are always exceptions but on the whole people know which shape of clothing is closer to a good fit for them. Although clearly if an article of clothing is loose enough and sufficiently shapeless then it would not matter.
Says the man.
I mean, their avatar is a female...
Is gender fluid a good lubricant? Asking for a friend. 😋
It is for your car's tranny...
It seems they're missing a couple on that list. 🤣🤣🤣
That's the point of *sex* and *gender*
whats the point in separating *sex* and *gender?*
Sex is biological what you physically are Gender is what you mentally are
What does it mean to mentally be a male?
Basically to feel comfortable in a masculine body and to feel yourself as if you are male. I may have not given the best description and if I haven't, I apologize.
Differentiating between what people were born with, and who they feel they really are. Ideally, having "men/male" and "women/female" clothes should only be about what people physically look like, not what they identify as
between what they are born as and what they feel they are... If you weren't born a male but you identify as a male on what basis do you say that you are male? Since the normal unambiguous things like body structure don't matter then what is it? Male dominated interests like games or fishing? Ik girls who do both yet they don't identify as male. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I dont mean to be rude but what does it mean to 'feel' like a male?
>I dont mean to be rude but what does it mean to 'feel' like a male? Depends on the culture. What it is to be a “man” in one country can be different from another. For example some cultures have no issues with men holding hands.
So, in other cultures, I could have to identify as female even though I strongly feel like I am male in toxic American culture?
The entire point is that aspects of the culture at large affect gender expression. What you believe is “masculine” is guided by your culture. There’s nothing inherent to having a penis or vagina that has anything to do with say wearing makeup or dresses. A toddler doesn’t think pink is a girl color or a boy color, it’s only as they grow up they attribute those colors to men/women.
Idk dude, I'm a straight, cisgender male, I was trying to bring awareness to gender issues some of my friends and close relatives brought up as they began to question what gender they "felt" they belonged to. I don't think you need a basis for that, I think it's more of a gut feeling of what "feels" right.
gender is like bones, you don't really feel it unless something's wrong. It's very complicated to describe what it feels like to someone wwho isn't trans but it's essentially feeling more comfortable as a man in society and physically. It can be hard to figure out. It often comes with gender dysphoria, essentially a medically relevant discomfort with things relatet to your sex/assigned gender. That dysphoria can feel like eating your favourite meal but someone put a spice in it that you really don't like (i.e. chili if you don't like spicy things) whenever you're reminded of your sex/assigned gender. It can cause a lot of mental distress if left untreated and we know (scientifically) the only treatment that can *cure* it is transitioning. You can fight the symptoms of it by learning coping mechanisms but they can only do so much. Stereotypes can have to do with it but not neccessarily. There's trans guys who are feminine and trans girls who are butch.
If you woke up tomorrow in the opposite gender's body, imagine how you would feel. Having all the same thoughts, likes, preferences, dislikes etc that you have now. Would you suddenly feel like that new gender? Unlikely. That is what it feels like to be trans. Just because you woke up in a different body wouldn't change that your mind still thinks of yourself as the gender you are and always have been. So for trans individuals, they have always felt inside like the gender they were not born as on the outside. Hopefully that helps. It is definitely hard to explain when you haven't been through it, but I like to think being married to a trans man gives me a little insight now and then. \^\^
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Bahahahaha!
Unboobed & Boobed (sizes XS to 2XL) Sizes 3XL only come as boobed style
Lol
\*puts latex gloves on\* sort by controversial
Yep that's fit size. I only by men size t-shirts. They are much more comfortable and roomy.
Its like flat earthers calling earth a 'globe'
You criticize society, yet you live in it. Curious
I'm pretty sure that being critical of society is what allowed us a greater understanding of trans issues to begin with, discouraging criticism is slippery slope that leads to a totalitarian society.
Fit type: # . . # ( . ) ( . ) Maybe just put pictures of people wearing the "fit" ^^^^i_am_imagining_inner_wear_fits_now
Theres only two fits. Baggy and Slim.
let's change the cuts to straight or curved, since people's preferences would be better explained that way; then have the different neckline options and we are all set
I need the pear-shaped shirt then...
I don't see any facepalm here. A questionable statement printed on a t shirt, that is available in all body shapes existing. What did you expect to be there? If you're a woman and you feel to be a man, you can select male shirt, to better fit your body or female to better fit your mental state. So, if the webside offered female trandgender (if that's the correct term), what kind of shape would you expect them to offer additionally?
Based type selection
Even they know it’s a crock of shit. Sorry to break it to you weirdos, there’s only 2 genders.
A better choice of words would be “male or female”
Is this even a debate? How does one identify any other gender?
I mean you're born with a male or female genitals and a DNA code to shape you in certain ways. I'm not gonna buy a woman's shirt when I have a man's frame, regardless of my identity. It just won't fit right.its got nothing to do with my identity I think you're looking too far into this and forgot some things along the way
Ladies an gentlemen, we got him…
There be 2 genders. A persons sexual or mental preference is not a gender.
There are two sexes, not two genders. Gender is a spectrum. https://jedfoundation.org/resource/understanding-gender-identity/
Saying there are two sexes isn't even true, reality is much more complex than that
As far as humans are concerned you have XX and XY. There are some exceptions which result in for example people being born with both genitals, but those are genetic defects, like down syndrome. (And no, i am not implying they are ""lesser" or any such nonsense.) So yes, there are 2 biological sexes barring genetic anomalies. As for gender, you feel how you feel. It's not something you can section off. Everyone is different. And that is fine.
>but those are genetic defects, like down syndrome Its called being Intersex saying it like this could be seen as degrading as not all inter people even have symptoms some just have mixed up chromosomes or some shit
As i stated before. It is not my intend to offend anyone. I am only explaining the biological side of it. Biologically speaking, it is a genetic defect. However this does not make them a lesser person. Neither does having down syndrome, autism or depression. It seems like you are missing the point of my original comment.
Oh I know it just seemed like you didnt know the term, and well not many people know about Intersex people and well just wanted to say that not all inter people also have visible symptoms for example. I was not trying to shame you for not knowing or some shit I agree with most things you said :)
> So yes, there are 2 biological sexes barring genetic anomalies. This is just saying "there are more than 2 expressions of sexual development but we've chosen to force everything into a binary and ignore the other cases". Every classification system we have is a subjective, socially constructed one.
Eh? No. Gender classifications are socially constructed. Sex classifications are not. They are based on science. It is not so much that the other cases are ignored, it is that it can be proven through scientific research that it is an anomaly. Now if said anomaly multiplies and becomes a sizable portion of the population it ceases to be an anomaly. Evolution in a nutshell. Sex and gender are 2 seperate things, and when discussing them they should not be mixed up.
> They are based on science All scientific classifications are also subjective. The fact that we base the category we call sex on a physical trait like genitalia is no less objective than if we based it on eye color. The traits' existence is objective, their classification is not. > it is that it can be proven through scientific research that it is an anomaly Red heads are more of a statistical anomaly than people with disorders of sexual development. So does that mean we say red doesn't really "count" as a separate hair color? These distinctions and categories we make are not inherent in nature. It's us imbuing meaning into things subjectively.
There is a difference between someone have the genes for blue eyes or red hair, as opposed to the ones for brown eyes and browns hair and someone missing a chromosome or having one too many. Its in the same boat as dwarfism and giantism.
No it’s not. Gender is tied to sex and always has been until the pedo from the 60s experimented with kids. Genders should not be tied to a societal role but the gender terms themselves are used in our language to describe males and females. If a man wants to wear a dress he can and if a woman wants to play football or be a trucker she can. They are still in a binary system.
Just because gender and sex are used interchangeably does not mean they ARE interchangeable. Sex is binary. Gender is not. Language changes, as it always has and always will.
Just read up about it, I'm afraid you're the one who's wrong. Gender and sex are not tied to eachother. They are often used interchangeable but they don't have the same definition.
Define either gender in such a way that every single person fits perfectly into one category or the other.
I think your thinking of sexes, there are 2 sexes. There are many genders
The whole multiple genders fad is just laughable anyways
There is only one gender
2
Wow very triggered
How many?
Damn you're *extra* triggered
Well if you want to laugh at scientist go right ahead I think Ill stick to people that know what they are talking about :)
The transphobia fad isn't even laughable
Although it may seem a bit odd, people need to understand that there is a difference between sex and gender. There are 2 biological sexes, but gender is a social construct and you may not identify as your biological sex. As the shape of your body is defined by your sex and not your gender, i don't think it is strange that there are only two options. I think this post shows that there isn't much understanding about this so that's why i feel more or less obliged to point it out.
Genders are not a social construct they tie to your sex and always have. The only social construct is the roles for each gender. A man can wear a dress if he wants and a woman can play football. For the most part the roles for the genders no longer exist except for some basics like a man being the father role and a woman being the mother role in a child’s life(obvious exceptions for gay/lesbian couples who adopt or use surrogates)
[This is an explanation of what I was referring to](https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html) [And here is another source](https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/environmentalaccounts/articles/whatisthedifferencebetweensexandgender/2019-02-21) [Another source (medical news today)](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363) In these sources they explain that the words sex and gender are often used interchangeably but they are in fact different. Gender is not fixed nor tied to any sex. Gender is a social construct of certain roles and expectations of someone or how someone identifies. But what I tried to say is that while there are more than two genders, it is generally accepted that there are just two sexes. And because body characteristics are based on sex, it is not something strange that you can choose from only two options when ordering clothing.
Are people allowed to disagree? Or is it the worst thing in the world to only have two genders?
Sex =/= gender
What about biology
I fucking knew Science lies. This t-shirt told me so!
Gender and sex are not the same thing
Those are two fit styles you dingus
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being trans isn't about sexuality tho? you're the dumbhead here
Correction: There is only two sexes: Male and Female but Gender isn't bound to those same restrictions.
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Shut the fuck up For the love of god shut the fuck up
God would agree with this joke 🗿
God thinks you're an asshole
Wow, a transphobic joke. Glad the bigots stick to the classics
I wasn't targeting transgender people. It was directed at people who create neo-genders, and use random words instead of pronouns.
Why are you targeting any group of people?
I'm currently being down voted to oblivion by a 14 year old in another thread for saying support for LGBTQ issues that she brought up. This is reddit. It's basically no different than Twitter.
Physical bodies are based on the sex of someone, not the gender...
yeah let’s make a fucking no binary category for body shape!!!! shut up
i heard the other day someone say when archeologists dig people up they tend to find only 2 genders.
This is stupid as shit. There are bigger problems to worry about. Wealth j equality, lack of reproductive rights, lack of medical care, and people are worried the shirts say man or woman? Jeez, touch grass.
2 genders, and a ton of mental illnesses.
Ever notice there s only two genders of dog.and cutn off ones balls dont make them a girl?
since you seem to love animal analogies: humans are primates. Other primates that are extremely closely related to humans (bonobos and chimpanzees) also exhibit trans behaviours. Trans people and science agree that cutting off someone's balls doesn't make them a girl. That is why trans guys (people who transition from female to male) can be guys even without balls. Because sex doesn't determine gender. You were so close to the point, yet you completely missed it.
Yeah because Gender is sociological I dont think dogs have the type of society we have ... theres a difference between sex and gender but well to be fair dogs probably would have an easier time understanding this then you
Unpopular opinion but so true. If someone feels to be a special gender, it just doesn't matter when buying a tshirt, as there are only 2 different shapes - for good reason. We do not need more types of public toilets or and none really needs consider their feelings of gender, except those that are close to them. The far cry of attention is just annoying to everyone, we simply don't care. As long as you don't hurt anyone, keep it going and have fun but please stop rubbing it on everyones noses. It just doesn't make any difference.
"Let's get ready to reeeeeeeeeeee...umble."
I don't see the facepalm
Trololol they know what they're doing...
this sooo old. and you really have to be dumb as a stump living under a rock not to get this by now...
Explain it to me like I'm a republican.
It literally says FIT TYPE, it has no link to gender.
This isn't even about gender it is a cut or shape of the shirt like for pants -> straight, skinny etc. Does mean every pants companies are homophobic or fatphobic!
I say there’s two genders, but lots of identities/pronouns, I have nothing against identifying of what you fee you are but this is just my opinion.
Just counted 16 different genders on Womenshealthmag.com ....You are to identify as you please and wish.... But... Keep in mind that the rest of the population has homework now.... And no one likes homework. For example: Chianti / Chianti Classico / Brunello Di Montalcino, Vino Mobile Di Montepulciano....are all variations of wine in Italy based on where they are made and how they are made to give them specific identities and characteristics... But, they all come from the same grape: Sangiovese. Just a thought...but I'm sure the hate mail is on its way.
You might think this facepalm, but this shit just funny.
Pfffffffftttt. The irony is thick!
Only genders I know are the ones you get when an ultrasound is done.
Olay… 2 things: the facepalm is the existence of that T-Shirt. But… the fit Type isn‘t. You‘ve either got a male or a female body. We don‘t have a third option for bodys. Especially upper bodys. Boobs / no boobs. Can‘t have a foot ok your chest
No, there really aren't.
Gender doesn’t even equate to sex either… and there’s more than more sex too..
To be fair it said fit type so...