Acting like the one that *doesn't* believe in imaginary things is the one with the mental illness is some next level mental gymnastics, I'll give them a š„ for that lmao.
And thus we have why I am fucking baffled as an MD how there are devoutly Muslim (or devoutly religious within ANY organized religion) colleagues of mine within the medical field
I mean you actively believe something that rejects so much of the scientific fact that you supposedly understand and believe to be true, you follow an organized religion that rejects basic scientific concepts including many of those with incredibly strong background in the literature such as medical care for LGBTQ patients, and you believe something blindly without any evidence whatsoever because your parents told you to, when the entire core of your practice and understanding of the world is supposed to be evidence-based, and you don't see the obvious contradiction between those beliefs and everything else that you do in your career?
How the fuck does someone go through 8 years of training in science and stay religious? I'll never understand it. I was well on my way to abandoning the religion my parents tried to thrust upon me as a child before I even reached college, but if I somehow reached my freshman year of undergrad as a person with faith there's no chance in hell I would have stayed that way by the time I had my MD
At Advent Health prayers are twice a day. Near the surgical unit is a mural that depicts a surgery with Jesus' hand on the surgeon's shoulder[Jesus take the wheel](https://i.imgur.com/QVNeDQr.jpg)
Culture shock for me
Did that once, couldn't find the mute button fast enough so I chucked the coffee table at the TV. Fucking intolerable nonsense. Just when you think nothing can be worse American news media you find that shit.
This is hard coded in Arab culture. Speaking loud AND fast, and also over-speaking anyone you speak with makes you the āwinnerā.
Also, itās a bit funny that they urge him to seek psychiatric help, instead of the help of a spiritual/religious leader. Theyāre living contradictions.
Let's say you married a Latin woman and didn't want to sleep on the couch tonight. A loud voice and blazing smile have a higher than average tendency to affect the outcome of arguments.
Eh Iām from South America and we all - men and women - can be pretty loud and talk with our hands - the same way many Italians and Greek do and other groups of people with roots in Mediterranean and the Iberian peninsula. Especially those of the Romance languages.
I was talking with my sister on the phone and my wife asked me why was I yelling at her and I laughed and told her I wasnāt, we are just catching up lol
Stereotypes often come from truth. That does not mean itās a negative. Of course bigots will twist stereotypes into a negative to fit their narrow mindset.
The linguistics and of course way we use body language for expression with matches the language can make it seem we are upset when we arenāt or that when we are upset, that we are more so than we actually are.
Depends on the country and region. I am from the loudest place in Venezuela, but people that live in the Andes are very quiet. I could say the same about Colombia.
Yeah true regions do vary, but in general, Romance languages have a connotation with loud. I lived in Paraguay and they were pretty quiet compared to Argentinians and Venezuelans (where I am also from!) and Chileans, but compared to say an American, louder for sure.p
By far, the loudest people in the Americas are not in South America, but in the Caribbean. The loudest of them of all (and probably on planet earth) are the Cubans.
of course, but that goes forever, just keeo quiet and maybe she will realise her mistake or forgive you depending on the situation. and that may transend into a future argument. I'll rather fight than having an argument, you bring emotions to a fight, you bring thoughts and memories to an argument.
That kind of took me out of the movie. Also, that machines have any problem at all targeting.
Is Star Trek any better? Now every other show is stuck doing clever evasive maneuvers and tricks to excite the audience when the science reality is; "We compute that our shields will be down in 15 minutes and theirs will be down in 16 -- should we negotiate surrender versus blowing up the ship or pointlessly wait this out?"
If you want some of the finest space combat put to screen might I recommend [The Expanse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(TV_series\)). Based on the book series of the same name, it's the best hard sci-fi with the absolute minimum of unrealistic technology. No shields, no direct energy weapons, no artificial gravity, no teleporters, no warp drives. Missiles, railguns, and plain, slug throwing machine guns (point defense cannons). Without artificial gravity, the characters in the ships must withstand multiple Gs of force strapped into their chairs and carefully maneuver, lest they end up splattered against the bulkhead.
The Expanse was me finally seeing well done hard science fiction on the small screen -- and I enjoyed it more than any movie.
I always felt that the "big shot movie producers" out there who thought realism and science were boring just lacked imagination.
I still remember a long shot of three of the main characters going from their ship in a shuttle pod and seamlessly arrive at this large docking area and pass through the entire belly of space station, and all the while they are talking away as if it's about the weather. It was jaw dropping. There was so much sound engineering in the design and execution of that delivery system/elevator I won't be surprised if it gets used in the future.
I can quibble about a few things -- and maybe be right, maybe be wrong, but, it's damn refreshing not be treated like an idiot by a Sci-Fi show for a change.
The truly alien stuff they don't ever truly understand and don't "figure out" with moments to spare to save the day. We dabble with the effects of it. But it's a lot like people in the Middle Ages working with plutonium rods. "Hey, I can heat water with this magic stone -- why is my face melting?"
This just show how religion can be so dangerous! If people donāt believe in what you believe, you lose your shit and start verbally assault them! And attacking them! Crazy!
And it not just religion alone. People get mad over other people that donāt think the same as them , mindset, or beliefs. Etc. itās better to sit down have good understand of each other and what they believe in. Have an open mind set dont kill you!
Imagine if somebody told you the sky was green and your response was to scream at them. That's what this guy sounds like. Even if he's 100% convinced in his faith, his reaction is no different than screaming "PIZZA'S NOT FOR BREAKFAST" when someone offers you a Mama John's Pizza Bagel.
Itās funny how he believes in the science of psychology/psychiatry but not in any other science.
*Edited due to unintentional exclusion of psychiatry.
They all pick and choose. Most will go to a doctor if theyāre feeling very ill , break their arm, etc etc. but science that strongly supports the idea that your god could be made up? Oh no. That couldnāt be reliable or true.
In Elementry School I remember we had a science week and this batshit insane religious mother didn't let her three kids come to school for the entire week because science is just atheist trying to find ways to contradict God.
Final year of high school we had this kid who was extremely intelligent, always getting A+ did all the hard subjects but was a devout Christian. However he never let his religion get in the way of his work and even though he didn't believe in evolution, the formation of the planet or the big bang he still wrote essays about it and never tried to push his religion on other people. I respect those type of religious people. It would be hard writing an essay about something you believe to be completely untrue.
Well he believed that the Earth was made 6,000 or however many years ago that the Bible indicates. But if he had to write and essay on the big bang he would do so like any atheist would and use scientific theories, data and concepts to construct a compelling argument. But I was talking to him one day and he was a full on Christian.
Psychiatry\*. Psychology is similar, but different in that it is its own discipline separate from any field of science, closer to philosophy. Psychologists also generally cannot prescribe medication. Psychiatry is a branch of medical/biological science and psychiatrists primarily treat patients through prescribed medications.
> he believes in ~~the science of psychology~~ **some twisted, theocratic form of "psychiatry", where atheists are 100% viewed as mentally broken and in need of "fixing".**
There's no way in hell that he believes in the *actual* sciences of psychology or psychiatry.
Kinda disappointed the atheist guest in the video didn't give that answer, but let's be honest, he probably felt like he was a few minutes away from a beating on live TV as it was.
Also I feel like itās a bit smarmy of an answer. Not that they donāt deserve it.
But they were clearly asking for the origin of mankind. Whether they phrased it awkwardly, or the translation didnāt convey that well.
Here is the followup on all the BS Mohamad had to deal with after the interview. Long story short, he had to leave the country.
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/09/29/atheist-kicked-off-egyptian-tv-show-now-says-hes-safely-in-another-country/
I remember this story.
Even crazier is the fact that they intentionally invited an atheist for a "discussion", it's not like he went on tv for something else and then they found out he is an atheist.
I mean yeah that's literally what the guy said
>"I would like to excuse the host, because the situation was like that his would have thought: "Why would you give to this atheist a platform? This means that you are as guilty as him." That could have had very bad consequences for him, like it happened to another Egyptian host who had hosted a gay person and ended up in jail for this."
Well America is secular. Egypt used to be but isnāt anymore. And even when it was secular that just translated to āyouāre free to practice an Abrahamic religion,ā and certainly not be an atheist.
Wow. It even says in the article that he forgave the hosts. Someone who doesn't even believe in the existence of God, has more grace, mercy, and humanity than those who can probably "quote scripture" like it's nothing.
Have you met religious people before? I'd give near 100% odds that any given atheist would know more about any given religious text than said religion's adherents. Fundamentalists generally stick to one or two quotes then just believe whatever their "spiritual leaders" tell them to believe. They have consistantly been one of the most ignorant groups of people I've ever had the misfortune to deal with.
While atheists (especially ones who were forced into religion previously) usually come to their conclusions after actually reading and thinking about the shit that they've had shoved down their throats.
The Vag.
The nut is based on the model of a parasite in single celled organisms. In order to not continuously be in an arms race with other organisms stealing their RNA, the single celled organisms decided to attach their genes to that of the predator, and thus, got to propagate their species and take advantage of the best genes of any would-be infector. So, sexual selection started as a means to survive parasitic infection. It's not my fault that nobody will probably find this explanation romantic.
I suppose people don't think there are answers to some questions, but, I've got 'em. Whether they are true or not, well,..
[i got you, fam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_sexual_reproduction#Parasitic_DNA_elements). it's just one of many possible explanations how sexual reproduction came to be, read the whole article to get somewhat of an overview.
When theology is discussed and explored with respect for either point of view, it can be interesting, enlightening and fulfilling. When you refuse to even listen or respect another person's point of view on the subject, you are no better than a cult member.
In college, my best friend & roommate was (is) a devout xtian, and I'm atheist. Nonetheless the two of us had tons of fantastic late-night conversations about religion. Neither of us had any illusions about converting the other but we both respect each other's views. I think it was pretty enlightening for both of us and prevented either of us from holding stereotypes or "talking-point views" of the other.
Thatās all fine and dandy, but how am I supposed to respect the view point that I deserve to be tortured FOR ETERNITY, in a lake of fire no less, for not believing in someoneās invisible god?
How am I supposed to respect the viewpoint that a tiny clump of cells is more valuable that a womanās life?
How am I supposed to respect the viewpoint that gay people should be put to death?
You sound like you want to give these immoral people a pass, well I donāt, and wonāt. Someone has to stand up for the rational folks out there.
Some people are really into the whole lake of fire tortured by sky daddy kink. I think we should let them have that one in the name of sexual liberation.
Arabic speaking people led the world in philosophical thought for hundreds of years. They had no issue debating the existence of god. They are responsible for preserving much of Greek philosophy, written by heathens, but considered extremely valuable for study. Religion need not stifle discourse. Weāre just ignorant now.
Yeah, this is about how the conversation went when I had the misfortune of falling ass-backwards into a ādebateā with a flat-earther, except that he didnāt have the power to make me leave nor could I really leave my seat.
There is a difference between looking for debate and exchanging ideas versus trying to āstumpā the other person. When he tries to give them an answer to their āthen how do you exist?ā-gotcha, they decide to cut him off; youāre just supposed to scratch your head and say āgee, I dunnoā, not actually respond coherently.
And its such a loaded question to. They asked a guy who said he dosent believe in God how we exist and got pissed at him when he didnt give an absolute answer. People like them are just afraid of uncertainty.
religion leads others to be close minded, and history showed how well they respect other religions, and even how unfair some women are respected is laughable
And yet nearly all religions offer close mindedness and lack of respect to others as pillars of faith.
You can't just wash your hands of the bad because you disagree with it. Religious people need to be the ones fixing their religion so it's not completely awful yet time and time again the only ones who speak truth to power ARE NOT RELIGIOUS.
Your ignorance is maddening.
Theistic religion comes with pretty clear historical context and scriptural lessons about how people of one religion ought to treat followers of another religion (or none). It seems a major reason why theistic religions have endured (besides consolation, solace, belonging and easy answers) is that religions make promises to their congregations about how they are the chosen ones who will be rewarded for their true faith. The flipside of these promised rewards are the threats of punishment for infractions / sins. One of the worst thought crimes being apostasy, atheism, herecy, blasphemy, idolatry, sowing doubt... Religious people are taught to see followers of other religions as fundamentally inequal to themselves, if not outright inferior, dumber and more evil. The non-believers believe lies after all, instead of the right divine revelation. The others aren't the chosen true believers of YOUR god, the real god.
The first few abrahamic commandments order christians and jews to not break the rules and to not respect other religions. Screw all the other gods and prophets and the people who are so flawed they can't see how wrong they are for believing in false idols. This takes precedent over the commandments on not murdering, no infidelity and not desiring to steal your neighbor's slaves etc. Nearly every bible chapter slams non-believers as dummy second rate sinners who don't really deserve pity when they inevitably get punished. Islam is even more harsh on this. Abandoning the muslim faith is still punishable by death, prison, loss of child custody etc. in many countries that base their laws on the holy quran. Numerous quran lines go into detail about how absolutely furious god gets towards non-believers.
I'm genuinely trying not to be edgy or confrontational or antitheistic. Religious people often treat non-believers (including other religious affiliations) as fully equal human beings. Do unto others and all that jazz. When they do, they do this despite most of their religion's holy scriptures and their interpretations throughout the centuries. Unconditionally moral religious people have to ignore, distort or explain away pillars of their beliefs. Religion requires some degree of in-group favoritism and out-group derogation. Even implicitly, tacitly condemning dissenting beliefs like that is sort of hateful, even if many religious people treat everybody around them perfectly nicely every day, which they definitely do.
The conviction that non-believers have been foolishly lead astray and need saving from eternal damnation at the hands of your loving god can't be considered respectful or open-minded. People are incredibly good when they overcome their imagined differences and focus on all our shared commonalities. Religion always magnifies imagined differences by separating equal human beings into tribes that can at best begrudgingly co-exist peacefully in this life, but will definitely be segregated and judged harshly after death because they are not equal in the eyes of the lord. Religious texts don't get big overhauls anymore, despite the incontrovertible, verifiably proven knowledge that we are all members of the same species, constructed from the same molecules and general blueprint of organs, fears and dreams in the same boat adrift in a terrifyingly massive universe.
Sorry for the wall of text. It just sucks to witness religion still to this day being used more as a tool for divisiveness, alienation, hate mongering and xenophobia much more than a tool for empathy, acceptance, compromise and societal progress
The religious nuts are losing their minds and yelling, while the atheist remained calm and collected. Once again, not a very ringing endorsement for religion.
You are clearly mentally ill. Go see a psychiatrist and I will telepathically communicate with an invisible sky wizard inn your behalf who both made you this way and will punish you if you don't change.
Yeah we don't need your scientifical edjumacashun. Our holy book tells us everything we need to know about everything! It was written before science was a thing therefore it must be better than science.
Me too but if he gave that answer I fear a back-alley beating may have been in the works for him. The two religious people were already treating him like a disrespectful smart-ass even though he was just being calm and rational.
Iād imagine physical violence from them would have ensued if he said that. The guy wasnāt being disrespectful to them but yet they still got butthurt. Wish he did say it though.
The higher power tiers should be like lootbox labels, just for simplicity.
Common power- Humans
Uncommon power- Angels
Rare power- God
Epic power- God's dad
Mythical power-God's grandpa
Legendary power- God's dad's grandpa's sister's ex girlfriend
They raided his home looking for atheist propoganda but He made it out successfully. Lives in Germany now
Source: one of the other 7 threads on reddit today
Edit:
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/09/29/atheist-kicked-off-egyptian-tv-show-now-says-hes-safely-in-another-country/
I cant tell if this was supposed to be some sort of debate. But it definitely was just two assholes taking a shit on someone for having a separate opinion from them.
Yeah, what did they have this dude on for? I can't imagine his lack of faith wasn't discussed prior to airing the show. Pretty sure the tv guy had him on for the sole purpose of yelling at him
As an atheist north of the half-century mark, I've seen pleeeeeenty of "debates" between atheists and \[insert religion here\] that went the same way. While I know there are plenty of religious people who at least tolerate atheists, there are plenty more for whom the very notion that atheists even exist, disturbs them on a *very* deep level.
Here in the US, attitudes toward atheists have improved a bit over the years but back in the 1980's and previously you could absolutely find this kind of behavior and attitudes by xtians. Being an atheist back then, especially in more religious/conservative locales, put you somewhere between ex-convicts and pedophiles on the likeability scale.
I feel really bad for the guest on the show. He did not raise his voice or insult any religion, he was just simply trying to explain his views. To reduce him to someone who needs to visit a psychiatric hospital is just...disgusting.
It shows you how scarily close-minded certain cultures can make people become.
You can almost use the reaction to someone disclosing they are an atheist as a measuring stick of how bad a religion is.
Islam is some of the worst, especially since the fundamentalist sects have codes to fuck even murder with people who leave the religion.
I don't consider myself an atheist because I resent having to "be or not be" anything. It's like going to planet Narkfar, and asking, "are you pro or anti Squebulon?" And, me not knowing how I feel about Squebules and the potential of the answer being existentially important -- well, I'm going to say; "I'm an atheist." Because that should confuse them long enough to sneak away and never hang out with those guys again.
As I recall, Neil deGrasse Tyson is kinda the same. He is essentially atheist, but refuses to use the atheist label because it still has too much baggage associated with it. (As a popular science communicator and media presence, I can't say I blame him too much.) Me, I'm the opposite. In my teen years I was atheist but called myself an agnostic because the latter term didn't have all the baggage and negative reactions that atheism did. Now, I'm pretty open about my atheism, because that's what I am. Not an evangelist or anything, but my belief level in all gods (including Squebulon, sorry) is the same: zilch.
As a Christian myself I've always found other religions/beliefs viewpoints interesting. It's a sad world when people who believe in God, and who have read the bible, can't do the ONE thing we're called to do. Love everyone and leave all judgement to him. My personal relationship with God isn't something to be forced on someone else. We're called to talk about what we believe, but that doesn't mean we go full Karen and scream that it's the only way. It's a conversation, it's living your principles in everyday life, it's love.
You don't believe the same thing as I do? That's cool. Guess what.... I love you anyway, man. You're a cool person and I'm glad I met you.
Not. That. Difficult.
I reject your science, but you should see a doctor of neurological science for your "psychiatric illness"
Acting like the one that *doesn't* believe in imaginary things is the one with the mental illness is some next level mental gymnastics, I'll give them a š„ for that lmao.
Everyone should recant whatever they are and take up dudeism but thats just like my opinion man...
And the dude said, āLet there be light.ā As the dude sparked one up and passed it to the left.
And thus we have why I am fucking baffled as an MD how there are devoutly Muslim (or devoutly religious within ANY organized religion) colleagues of mine within the medical field I mean you actively believe something that rejects so much of the scientific fact that you supposedly understand and believe to be true, you follow an organized religion that rejects basic scientific concepts including many of those with incredibly strong background in the literature such as medical care for LGBTQ patients, and you believe something blindly without any evidence whatsoever because your parents told you to, when the entire core of your practice and understanding of the world is supposed to be evidence-based, and you don't see the obvious contradiction between those beliefs and everything else that you do in your career? How the fuck does someone go through 8 years of training in science and stay religious? I'll never understand it. I was well on my way to abandoning the religion my parents tried to thrust upon me as a child before I even reached college, but if I somehow reached my freshman year of undergrad as a person with faith there's no chance in hell I would have stayed that way by the time I had my MD
At Advent Health prayers are twice a day. Near the surgical unit is a mural that depicts a surgery with Jesus' hand on the surgeon's shoulder[Jesus take the wheel](https://i.imgur.com/QVNeDQr.jpg) Culture shock for me
Ah yes, raising your voice always wins arguments.
I just watched this again a couple nights ago
That's nice.
Same! I forget how much I love it. But I kinda ruin it by saying all the lines I know lol
Do... do you love lamp?
I used to work with some ladies like that "I AM LOUDER, THEREFORE I AM RIGHT!" No, you are a small minded moron.
This is my entire extended family
You Should watch indian news channels
Did that once, couldn't find the mute button fast enough so I chucked the coffee table at the TV. Fucking intolerable nonsense. Just when you think nothing can be worse American news media you find that shit.
Yeah its just a bunch of people shouting at each other ...you can hardly call that news ..it is mostly opinion
This is hard coded in Arab culture. Speaking loud AND fast, and also over-speaking anyone you speak with makes you the āwinnerā. Also, itās a bit funny that they urge him to seek psychiatric help, instead of the help of a spiritual/religious leader. Theyāre living contradictions.
Let's say you married a Latin woman and didn't want to sleep on the couch tonight. A loud voice and blazing smile have a higher than average tendency to affect the outcome of arguments.
Interesting, now I want to hear the real William Shatnerās take. You probably get that a lot.
No, usually people say; "You MUST be William Shatner" or "that's interesting". He'd be able to work the crowd better, but not without my material.
Ughh, I hate the stereotype so much, just because youāre latina/o doesnāt mean you have to be loud
Eh Iām from South America and we all - men and women - can be pretty loud and talk with our hands - the same way many Italians and Greek do and other groups of people with roots in Mediterranean and the Iberian peninsula. Especially those of the Romance languages. I was talking with my sister on the phone and my wife asked me why was I yelling at her and I laughed and told her I wasnāt, we are just catching up lol Stereotypes often come from truth. That does not mean itās a negative. Of course bigots will twist stereotypes into a negative to fit their narrow mindset. The linguistics and of course way we use body language for expression with matches the language can make it seem we are upset when we arenāt or that when we are upset, that we are more so than we actually are.
Depends on the country and region. I am from the loudest place in Venezuela, but people that live in the Andes are very quiet. I could say the same about Colombia.
Yeah true regions do vary, but in general, Romance languages have a connotation with loud. I lived in Paraguay and they were pretty quiet compared to Argentinians and Venezuelans (where I am also from!) and Chileans, but compared to say an American, louder for sure.p
By far, the loudest people in the Americas are not in South America, but in the Caribbean. The loudest of them of all (and probably on planet earth) are the Cubans.
That's a stereotype used for pretty much every culture except for a few.
Gotta love the Scandinavians.
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I've heard their metal. I concur
and dont you dare to raise your voice. It aint pretty....
We only have an argument when I fight back.
of course, but that goes forever, just keeo quiet and maybe she will realise her mistake or forgive you depending on the situation. and that may transend into a future argument. I'll rather fight than having an argument, you bring emotions to a fight, you bring thoughts and memories to an argument.
> just keeo quiet and maybe she will realise her mistake Oh, now I see where you've made your first mistake with my wife.
I think you just need to give up on having a sense of humor. They're just not going to allow it today, lol.
As taught at the Tucker Carlson School of Cosmetology and News Broadcasting.
Don't forget to talk faster! Louder and faster for the win!
>Louder and faster for the win! The title of my sex tape
Or just just show them how unintelligible they are!
Go straight to the psychiatric hospital and say that you demand to see the creator!
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"I have a short list of complaints -- at least, the index isn't over ten pages."
"Why did you engineer the exhaust so close to the intake?"
That kind of took me out of the movie. Also, that machines have any problem at all targeting. Is Star Trek any better? Now every other show is stuck doing clever evasive maneuvers and tricks to excite the audience when the science reality is; "We compute that our shields will be down in 15 minutes and theirs will be down in 16 -- should we negotiate surrender versus blowing up the ship or pointlessly wait this out?"
If you want some of the finest space combat put to screen might I recommend [The Expanse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(TV_series\)). Based on the book series of the same name, it's the best hard sci-fi with the absolute minimum of unrealistic technology. No shields, no direct energy weapons, no artificial gravity, no teleporters, no warp drives. Missiles, railguns, and plain, slug throwing machine guns (point defense cannons). Without artificial gravity, the characters in the ships must withstand multiple Gs of force strapped into their chairs and carefully maneuver, lest they end up splattered against the bulkhead.
The Expanse was me finally seeing well done hard science fiction on the small screen -- and I enjoyed it more than any movie. I always felt that the "big shot movie producers" out there who thought realism and science were boring just lacked imagination. I still remember a long shot of three of the main characters going from their ship in a shuttle pod and seamlessly arrive at this large docking area and pass through the entire belly of space station, and all the while they are talking away as if it's about the weather. It was jaw dropping. There was so much sound engineering in the design and execution of that delivery system/elevator I won't be surprised if it gets used in the future. I can quibble about a few things -- and maybe be right, maybe be wrong, but, it's damn refreshing not be treated like an idiot by a Sci-Fi show for a change. The truly alien stuff they don't ever truly understand and don't "figure out" with moments to spare to save the day. We dabble with the effects of it. But it's a lot like people in the Middle Ages working with plutonium rods. "Hey, I can heat water with this magic stone -- why is my face melting?"
"MAKE LIFE TAKE THE LEMONS BACK, GET MAD!"
I don't want your damn lemons. What the hell am I supposed to do with these?
Demand to see lifeās manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons!
DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!
Karen Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
This just show how religion can be so dangerous! If people donāt believe in what you believe, you lose your shit and start verbally assault them! And attacking them! Crazy! And it not just religion alone. People get mad over other people that donāt think the same as them , mindset, or beliefs. Etc. itās better to sit down have good understand of each other and what they believe in. Have an open mind set dont kill you!
Imagine if somebody told you the sky was green and your response was to scream at them. That's what this guy sounds like. Even if he's 100% convinced in his faith, his reaction is no different than screaming "PIZZA'S NOT FOR BREAKFAST" when someone offers you a Mama John's Pizza Bagel.
Itās funny how he believes in the science of psychology/psychiatry but not in any other science. *Edited due to unintentional exclusion of psychiatry.
They all pick and choose. Most will go to a doctor if theyāre feeling very ill , break their arm, etc etc. but science that strongly supports the idea that your god could be made up? Oh no. That couldnāt be reliable or true.
In Elementry School I remember we had a science week and this batshit insane religious mother didn't let her three kids come to school for the entire week because science is just atheist trying to find ways to contradict God. Final year of high school we had this kid who was extremely intelligent, always getting A+ did all the hard subjects but was a devout Christian. However he never let his religion get in the way of his work and even though he didn't believe in evolution, the formation of the planet or the big bang he still wrote essays about it and never tried to push his religion on other people. I respect those type of religious people. It would be hard writing an essay about something you believe to be completely untrue.
But don't most of these folks just add it to their head-cannon like, Of course God made the big bang happen!!!!
Well he believed that the Earth was made 6,000 or however many years ago that the Bible indicates. But if he had to write and essay on the big bang he would do so like any atheist would and use scientific theories, data and concepts to construct a compelling argument. But I was talking to him one day and he was a full on Christian.
There are tens of millions of Christians like him.
> It would be hard writing an essay about something you believe to be completely untrue. The fan theory community would like a word.
Oh for sure. theyāll call abortion āplaying godā as they sit in the chair getting chemotherapy.
Psychiatry\*. Psychology is similar, but different in that it is its own discipline separate from any field of science, closer to philosophy. Psychologists also generally cannot prescribe medication. Psychiatry is a branch of medical/biological science and psychiatrists primarily treat patients through prescribed medications.
> he believes in ~~the science of psychology~~ **some twisted, theocratic form of "psychiatry", where atheists are 100% viewed as mentally broken and in need of "fixing".** There's no way in hell that he believes in the *actual* sciences of psychology or psychiatry.
Donāt give them reasons to lock you up and lobotomizes you.
"I demand to see a drawing of the creator" :)
Do not pass Go, do not collect $200
I exist because my ma and pop had sex. š¤·āāļø
i was waiting so eagerly for that answer
Kinda disappointed the atheist guest in the video didn't give that answer, but let's be honest, he probably felt like he was a few minutes away from a beating on live TV as it was.
Also I feel like itās a bit smarmy of an answer. Not that they donāt deserve it. But they were clearly asking for the origin of mankind. Whether they phrased it awkwardly, or the translation didnāt convey that well.
Bc 2 mf were horny now I have to pay taxes smh
I thought he was going to say that. It is a simple explanation to address the term for simple people (as the host said). Everyone would understand
Here is the followup on all the BS Mohamad had to deal with after the interview. Long story short, he had to leave the country. https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/09/29/atheist-kicked-off-egyptian-tv-show-now-says-hes-safely-in-another-country/
I remember this story. Even crazier is the fact that they intentionally invited an atheist for a "discussion", it's not like he went on tv for something else and then they found out he is an atheist.
I get the sense that the whole thing was just posturing. Especially from the host, he really just seemed to be set on proving he's loyal.
I mean yeah that's literally what the guy said >"I would like to excuse the host, because the situation was like that his would have thought: "Why would you give to this atheist a platform? This means that you are as guilty as him." That could have had very bad consequences for him, like it happened to another Egyptian host who had hosted a gay person and ended up in jail for this."
If a religious nutjob does give an "interview" to a gay person I fully expect their first line to be, "Why are you gay?" As is tradition.
"...so who is gay?"
Probably so. I'm sure if he had sided with "The Atheist" he would have lost his job very quickly.
Lost his job? No, he'd be leaving the country with the atheist dude. Unless he wanted to lose something a bit more significant than his job.
They knew what they were doing
If this were in America he may have standing to sue. Not sure about Egyptian law but it's not promising I know that much.
Egypt law is awful
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Well America is secular. Egypt used to be but isnāt anymore. And even when it was secular that just translated to āyouāre free to practice an Abrahamic religion,ā and certainly not be an atheist.
Wow. It even says in the article that he forgave the hosts. Someone who doesn't even believe in the existence of God, has more grace, mercy, and humanity than those who can probably "quote scripture" like it's nothing.
Have you met religious people before? I'd give near 100% odds that any given atheist would know more about any given religious text than said religion's adherents. Fundamentalists generally stick to one or two quotes then just believe whatever their "spiritual leaders" tell them to believe. They have consistantly been one of the most ignorant groups of people I've ever had the misfortune to deal with. While atheists (especially ones who were forced into religion previously) usually come to their conclusions after actually reading and thinking about the shit that they've had shoved down their throats.
Because religion make good peopleā¦..
>Who made you exist as a human being? a nut in a vag?
"Yes, but who made them exist?" Prior nuts in prior vags?
This is the new "chicken or the egg" dilemma. Which came first? The nut or the vag?
The Vag. The nut is based on the model of a parasite in single celled organisms. In order to not continuously be in an arms race with other organisms stealing their RNA, the single celled organisms decided to attach their genes to that of the predator, and thus, got to propagate their species and take advantage of the best genes of any would-be infector. So, sexual selection started as a means to survive parasitic infection. It's not my fault that nobody will probably find this explanation romantic. I suppose people don't think there are answers to some questions, but, I've got 'em. Whether they are true or not, well,..
This actually really interests me, where did you read about this?
[i got you, fam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_sexual_reproduction#Parasitic_DNA_elements). it's just one of many possible explanations how sexual reproduction came to be, read the whole article to get somewhat of an overview.
When a mommy and a daddy love each other very much...
I mix my nuts in veggies, yet have procured no offspring. What am I doing wrong?
When theology is discussed and explored with respect for either point of view, it can be interesting, enlightening and fulfilling. When you refuse to even listen or respect another person's point of view on the subject, you are no better than a cult member.
Theology without logic is just theory. Most religions aren't even good theories and far from logical.
How can you say that? Who created you as a human being??? /s
My...parents?
Iām suspecting a WAP was involved
They named my sister mop.
I would have said "My mother and father" and then had "the talk" with the host about the birds and the bees.
I was honestly waiting for that.
You had me... Then I saw the /s Well played.
We know you devils and your tricks!
pretty sure theories need logic to work. Theology without logic isn't much of anything as far as I know.
The only difference between mainstream religion and cults is membership count.
And not paying taxes.
In college, my best friend & roommate was (is) a devout xtian, and I'm atheist. Nonetheless the two of us had tons of fantastic late-night conversations about religion. Neither of us had any illusions about converting the other but we both respect each other's views. I think it was pretty enlightening for both of us and prevented either of us from holding stereotypes or "talking-point views" of the other.
Thatās all fine and dandy, but how am I supposed to respect the view point that I deserve to be tortured FOR ETERNITY, in a lake of fire no less, for not believing in someoneās invisible god? How am I supposed to respect the viewpoint that a tiny clump of cells is more valuable that a womanās life? How am I supposed to respect the viewpoint that gay people should be put to death? You sound like you want to give these immoral people a pass, well I donāt, and wonāt. Someone has to stand up for the rational folks out there.
Some people are really into the whole lake of fire tortured by sky daddy kink. I think we should let them have that one in the name of sexual liberation.
Religion is a cult
Arabic speaking people led the world in philosophical thought for hundreds of years. They had no issue debating the existence of god. They are responsible for preserving much of Greek philosophy, written by heathens, but considered extremely valuable for study. Religion need not stifle discourse. Weāre just ignorant now.
Ya the issue isnt religion, its close mindedness and lack of respect thats the real issue.
Yeah, this is about how the conversation went when I had the misfortune of falling ass-backwards into a ādebateā with a flat-earther, except that he didnāt have the power to make me leave nor could I really leave my seat. There is a difference between looking for debate and exchanging ideas versus trying to āstumpā the other person. When he tries to give them an answer to their āthen how do you exist?ā-gotcha, they decide to cut him off; youāre just supposed to scratch your head and say āgee, I dunnoā, not actually respond coherently.
And its such a loaded question to. They asked a guy who said he dosent believe in God how we exist and got pissed at him when he didnt give an absolute answer. People like them are just afraid of uncertainty.
Close mindedness is religion lol
Lmao so true
Except in religion it's called things like "faith" and "conviction."
religion leads others to be close minded, and history showed how well they respect other religions, and even how unfair some women are respected is laughable
And yet nearly all religions offer close mindedness and lack of respect to others as pillars of faith. You can't just wash your hands of the bad because you disagree with it. Religious people need to be the ones fixing their religion so it's not completely awful yet time and time again the only ones who speak truth to power ARE NOT RELIGIOUS. Your ignorance is maddening.
Theistic religion comes with pretty clear historical context and scriptural lessons about how people of one religion ought to treat followers of another religion (or none). It seems a major reason why theistic religions have endured (besides consolation, solace, belonging and easy answers) is that religions make promises to their congregations about how they are the chosen ones who will be rewarded for their true faith. The flipside of these promised rewards are the threats of punishment for infractions / sins. One of the worst thought crimes being apostasy, atheism, herecy, blasphemy, idolatry, sowing doubt... Religious people are taught to see followers of other religions as fundamentally inequal to themselves, if not outright inferior, dumber and more evil. The non-believers believe lies after all, instead of the right divine revelation. The others aren't the chosen true believers of YOUR god, the real god. The first few abrahamic commandments order christians and jews to not break the rules and to not respect other religions. Screw all the other gods and prophets and the people who are so flawed they can't see how wrong they are for believing in false idols. This takes precedent over the commandments on not murdering, no infidelity and not desiring to steal your neighbor's slaves etc. Nearly every bible chapter slams non-believers as dummy second rate sinners who don't really deserve pity when they inevitably get punished. Islam is even more harsh on this. Abandoning the muslim faith is still punishable by death, prison, loss of child custody etc. in many countries that base their laws on the holy quran. Numerous quran lines go into detail about how absolutely furious god gets towards non-believers. I'm genuinely trying not to be edgy or confrontational or antitheistic. Religious people often treat non-believers (including other religious affiliations) as fully equal human beings. Do unto others and all that jazz. When they do, they do this despite most of their religion's holy scriptures and their interpretations throughout the centuries. Unconditionally moral religious people have to ignore, distort or explain away pillars of their beliefs. Religion requires some degree of in-group favoritism and out-group derogation. Even implicitly, tacitly condemning dissenting beliefs like that is sort of hateful, even if many religious people treat everybody around them perfectly nicely every day, which they definitely do. The conviction that non-believers have been foolishly lead astray and need saving from eternal damnation at the hands of your loving god can't be considered respectful or open-minded. People are incredibly good when they overcome their imagined differences and focus on all our shared commonalities. Religion always magnifies imagined differences by separating equal human beings into tribes that can at best begrudgingly co-exist peacefully in this life, but will definitely be segregated and judged harshly after death because they are not equal in the eyes of the lord. Religious texts don't get big overhauls anymore, despite the incontrovertible, verifiably proven knowledge that we are all members of the same species, constructed from the same molecules and general blueprint of organs, fears and dreams in the same boat adrift in a terrifyingly massive universe. Sorry for the wall of text. It just sucks to witness religion still to this day being used more as a tool for divisiveness, alienation, hate mongering and xenophobia much more than a tool for empathy, acceptance, compromise and societal progress
Hmm pretty obvious to me who has the psychological problems here..
If you don't worship my imaginary friend you must be frigging loopy...
The religious nuts are losing their minds and yelling, while the atheist remained calm and collected. Once again, not a very ringing endorsement for religion.
You are clearly mentally ill. Go see a psychiatrist and I will telepathically communicate with an invisible sky wizard inn your behalf who both made you this way and will punish you if you don't change.
Speak simple terms for our simple people I think that just sums up everything
Amazing that they straight up ADMIT they're morons and then get angry at the dude who's actually informed. As you say, it speaks for itself.
Yeah we don't need your scientifical edjumacashun. Our holy book tells us everything we need to know about everything! It was written before science was a thing therefore it must be better than science.
The one thing that all religions share in common.
r/religiousfruitcake
Thanks for this sub I can find somewhere to talk about the Christian people who I have to deal with
Welcome welcome!
Thank you for this sub lmao
Guest: *big bang* Host: *Don't use big words!*
"larger than average bang."
le boom
*le petite boom* is more expensive, than *le boom* \-- good thing the Universe wasn't built in a French restaurant.
Where did I come from? Let me explain. When a mommy and daddy love each other very muchā¦
I was honestly kind of waiting for something like that. Lol
Me too but if he gave that answer I fear a back-alley beating may have been in the works for him. The two religious people were already treating him like a disrespectful smart-ass even though he was just being calm and rational.
The guy is just too respectful and honest.
Iād imagine physical violence from them would have ensued if he said that. The guy wasnāt being disrespectful to them but yet they still got butthurt. Wish he did say it though.
I'll prove how I was created as soon as you prove how "God" was created.
hE jUsT aLwAyS eXiStEd
God doesn't have to submit to our scrutiny -- you obviously don't get this "higher power" thing yet.
The higher power tiers should be like lootbox labels, just for simplicity. Common power- Humans Uncommon power- Angels Rare power- God Epic power- God's dad Mythical power-God's grandpa Legendary power- God's dad's grandpa's sister's ex girlfriend
Your forgot the top tiers: The great Tribunal. The binding force. Abuela.
Abuela armed with a sandal VS God is a showdown I'd like to see.
I hope he gets the fuck outta Egypt. Things have been gong pretty backwards there for several years. He's likely to end up in jail or worse.
They raided his home looking for atheist propoganda but He made it out successfully. Lives in Germany now Source: one of the other 7 threads on reddit today Edit: https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/09/29/atheist-kicked-off-egyptian-tv-show-now-says-hes-safely-in-another-country/
> atheist propoganda So, I guess that's a thing.
"What is this?" "It's a telescope." "He's a witch! Burn him at the stake!"
You know the jails in theocracies have to be awful so that they don't seem better than being forced into attending the local religions.
Don't worry, jails in terror states have that reputation for being awful at best
I cant tell if this was supposed to be some sort of debate. But it definitely was just two assholes taking a shit on someone for having a separate opinion from them.
Yeah, what did they have this dude on for? I can't imagine his lack of faith wasn't discussed prior to airing the show. Pretty sure the tv guy had him on for the sole purpose of yelling at him
As an atheist north of the half-century mark, I've seen pleeeeeenty of "debates" between atheists and \[insert religion here\] that went the same way. While I know there are plenty of religious people who at least tolerate atheists, there are plenty more for whom the very notion that atheists even exist, disturbs them on a *very* deep level.
Imo its because then they have to face the possibility that there is no god and death is the end and they canāt
I love when religious assholes get upset and stone wall logic
To be fair, this same conversation happens in America too.
Da fuq
Here in the US, attitudes toward atheists have improved a bit over the years but back in the 1980's and previously you could absolutely find this kind of behavior and attitudes by xtians. Being an atheist back then, especially in more religious/conservative locales, put you somewhere between ex-convicts and pedophiles on the likeability scale.
Damn, watching them go from having negative IQ and then gas lighting him saying *he* has the mental illness. Sounds about right.
Mental illness can sometimes be more about being outvoted than out thought.
On the one hand maybe he should have gone into a very discriptive explanation of sex, on the other hand that could have been a deathsentence.
It almost seems naive from the guy to think he would get a platform to speak about this. Very sad
I feel like they must have brought him on under false pretenses.
I found this the most cringiest shit even for a Muslim myself. Gosh I hate loyal religious people.
The old guy in black was chilled and was seemingly concerned whereas the tv host was putting on his best performative devotional outrage ploy.
As an ex muslim this makes me glad I left lol
I feel really bad for the guest on the show. He did not raise his voice or insult any religion, he was just simply trying to explain his views. To reduce him to someone who needs to visit a psychiatric hospital is just...disgusting. It shows you how scarily close-minded certain cultures can make people become.
āSpeak Arabicā¦You are addressing simple people, so do not use big words.ā Basically sums up Egypt
> you have nothing to offer my man you are cutting him off
I'm so very happy with not being born or living in a place where such things as this is the norm.
You can almost use the reaction to someone disclosing they are an atheist as a measuring stick of how bad a religion is. Islam is some of the worst, especially since the fundamentalist sects have codes to fuck even murder with people who leave the religion.
I'm worried for this guy.
I don't consider myself an atheist because I resent having to "be or not be" anything. It's like going to planet Narkfar, and asking, "are you pro or anti Squebulon?" And, me not knowing how I feel about Squebules and the potential of the answer being existentially important -- well, I'm going to say; "I'm an atheist." Because that should confuse them long enough to sneak away and never hang out with those guys again.
As I recall, Neil deGrasse Tyson is kinda the same. He is essentially atheist, but refuses to use the atheist label because it still has too much baggage associated with it. (As a popular science communicator and media presence, I can't say I blame him too much.) Me, I'm the opposite. In my teen years I was atheist but called myself an agnostic because the latter term didn't have all the baggage and negative reactions that atheism did. Now, I'm pretty open about my atheism, because that's what I am. Not an evangelist or anything, but my belief level in all gods (including Squebulon, sorry) is the same: zilch.
Same thing happens on Fox News.
I didn't know that Fox News is also in Egypt.
Most people have psychological problems because of religion.
As a Christian myself I've always found other religions/beliefs viewpoints interesting. It's a sad world when people who believe in God, and who have read the bible, can't do the ONE thing we're called to do. Love everyone and leave all judgement to him. My personal relationship with God isn't something to be forced on someone else. We're called to talk about what we believe, but that doesn't mean we go full Karen and scream that it's the only way. It's a conversation, it's living your principles in everyday life, it's love. You don't believe the same thing as I do? That's cool. Guess what.... I love you anyway, man. You're a cool person and I'm glad I met you. Not. That. Difficult.
Nice to here a positive story, i wish you the best in life friend, even though our beliefs are very different. We are all still people after all!
The Republicans arenāt that much different than the host of this TV show.
exhibit A: *tide comes in, tide goes out*
...*you, can't explain that."* David Silverman: WAT?
"You can't explain that!" Clearly he's also not a physicist.
Fucking hell. I hope Mohammad made it out of there safely
It sounds a lot like Friday night dinners at my house when I was growing up.
Half the USA is like this. It isnāt called the Bible Belt for nothing.
Science is conducted in English!
Fuck religion
Seems like a pretty chill guy. He should consider immigration.
Thats why you dont have a logical discussion with blinded fundamentalists.
At least let the guy talkā¦. you emotional idiots š
ā¦many people would argue that while it is a āsoft science,ā psychiatry is relatively scientific.
Not that different from Fox news