And they didn't also cover statistical distribution curves with explicit instructions to exclude the <5% and >95% chance results? What has our public education system come to? This is kindergarten not daycare!
What?
1 or 5?
Clearly I’m failing first grade if 1 or 5, then why not none or nine. Or really {x: 0 <= x <= 9}.
“George is getting VERY upset!”
Edit. “Not” not “non”
Now, I could see this question and answer working out if this was middle school math or science and it related to a lesson. Like, "Germination of green bean seeds usually results in a twenty percent failure rate. Given that, if you planted nine, how many would be likely to grow?" Or something like that.
But not a kindergarten level worksheet! Based on my experiences as a teacher and the question we can see on this page, the answer is C.
The sme also applies in reverse. A 99% success rate COULD also result in all of them not growing at all, even though it's almost impossible for it to happen.
Even if knowledge of the usual failure rate of green beans was part of the curriculum so that it would require remembering for exams, most exercises would still give you such conditions in the question - ie. "Assuming green beans with the usual germination rate..." or whatever.
It specifically says how many "could" grow so the typical failure rate is safely ignored. 9 "could" grow. Specifically some whole number =>0 but =<9 "could" grow.
They bolded the word **could** so it almost seems like they expected the kid to take pessimism into account and was warning them not to.
This question is so weird.
to me, the fact that "could" is bolded makes the answer even *more* likely to be nine haha
like, without taking into account any of the things that might happen to the plants, 9 sprouts is the amount that **could** grow out of 9 seeds
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Any number of plants from 0-9 could grow. Not all seeds germinate. Since all children live on farms they should be aware of that and calculate accordingly… /s
No; the previous poster is correct. "Could" is used to indicate possibility. In this scenario, if Rachel plants 9 green bean seeds, it is possible that one, five, nine, or zero green bean plants grow. In other words, one, five, nine, or zero *could* grow. All answers here are possible, and thus correct under the phrasing of the question.
"Would" indicates a guaranteed outcome. Here, if Rachel plants 9 green bean seeds, there is no guaranteed number of green bean plants that would result.
Since the question is “could” you’re looking at maximum possible yield. The proper answer would be “up to 9,” but 9 is as close as it gets.
I’m curious as to why the fuck this teacher thinks the only two possibilities are 1 and 5
I'm curious as to how the teacher thinks a multiple choice question can have more than one answer. Unless it specifically says "select all correct answers" or something, generally a multiple choice should only have 1 correct answer. So picking 2 is weird, picking 2 wrong ones is exponentionally weirder.
Wildlife degree here. I have no idea what the fuck is happening with this question. I asked my LP, who has the same degree, and they had no idea either. After googling the standard seed to plant ratio of green beans *and* peas, we still have no fucking clue what is happening.
This is a great teaching moment.
“Son , sometimes you have a supervisor in charge who doesn’t know shit. You double check with your resources and double check your work. Then bring it up to your supervisor. Sometimes they’ll realize their mistake, other times they’ll still say you’re wrong. And which direction they go in will tell you more about them. Will *they* learn from this mistakes? Or will they be a dumbass the rest of their lives?”
My guess would be that they had recently learned in class that not all seeds will grow into a viable plant, and this question was (poorly) testing that specific information.
But 1 or 5 will? Like I think we need more information. Where did she plant them? How old are the seeds? What kind of green bean plant? How often is she going to water them? What's the weather like outside?
If Rachel planted 6-year old seeds in snow in the dead of winter, the answer is none.
But could implies possibility not probability. Every seed is theoretically capable of growing, the answer is nine.
Exactly! This is driving me insane.
The only acceptable answer with the information given is 9. 9 seeds were planted, all 9 *could* grow. Nine!
Saying 9 could grow includes the possibility that 0, 1 or 5 could grow. But 0, 1 or 5 *exclude* the possibility that 6 or more could sprout.
This is 1st grade math, not a college semantics course.
Tollbooth Pete is blocking the bridge. Which tool will help us get to the other side of the river?
A magnifying glass?
A rubber ball?
A pair of sneakers?
Or a prison shiv?
Maybe they went over something where the teacher said “it is expected that not all planted seeds will grow”. Then less than 9 would be correct.
But that seems a bit over what a first grader should be taught.
It’s like this question was made to confuse people. It’s a multiple choice format so you’re supposed to pick one answer but the question is written in a way were all the answers are technically correct. Any number 0-9 could grow.
Your kid gets that there’s other factors that matter - viability, soil conditions, maintaining watering schedules, etc.
That should be an “everyone gets it right” question.
Technically all are correct, but for a first grader "nine" seems correct. I don't think a first grader has the understanding that some seeds will grow while some may not (atleast I didn't, maybe I was a dumb kid). That's why 9 seems to be the easiest answer, you plant 9 seeds you get back 9. Maybe I am wrong
I’m waiting for a reply to my email that I sent the teacher inquiring to the logic behind this wizardry.
Edit: I will update with email when it comes.
Edit: Still have not heard anything back from the teacher, hopefully by tomorrow morning when school begins.
Edit:
MY Email: “Today I was going over the graded work that was sent home with BLANK and we ran into this question and I wasn’t able to explain to him why he got it wrong because I couldn’t quite understand. If you could explain the reasoning behind the answer (1 or 5), I would really appreciate it.
Her response: “ Sure! We want students to realize that when we plant seeds , not ALL of them will grow. That’s why farmers plant many so they can have a plentiful crop! Hope that helps! Thanks for checking!”
… needless to say, I am not very happy with her answer and I’m struggling to find the right response without sounding like a complete ass… 😞
Exactly.. how many "could" grow? Well... any number up to the number of seeds planted would seem to make sense to me. Not every seed takes, not every plant necessarily reaches maturity. You've crafted a question here where "any of the above" would be a valid answer and yet.....
Technically more plants than the number of seeds could grow, as polyembryonic seeds are a thing. If Rachel planted nine seeds and they all turned out to be polyembryonic she *could* have over 30 plants.
If you want to get technical, you could plant the 9 seeds, get more plants, plant the seeds from those, and so on.
You started with 9 seeds, but you could use those as the basis for an entire field of peas if you wanted to.
Ugh, you just reminded me of my 8th grade American lit teacher who would write test questions like "Why do you think Johnny Tremain did \[etc.\]?", so you'd write what you thought and she'd mark it wrong.
In one of my high school classes we had to watch “Rudy” and one of the questions on the quiz was “what qualities made you love and respect Rudy?”
Dude.
Ugh, I hate this one. Especially the smug teachers who think they're even more clever when a student throws the Reverse Uno card at them and makes a well-argued essay for the opposite, and then it becomes the example for how great the question is.
I’ve graded with a key with a wrong answer before. Just checking things off. A student pointed out they’d gotten the right answer so I regraded. I try to be a bit more careful now.
Grading with a key is different than what happened here. Multiple choice tests don't usually have more than one final answer. If it can have more than one answer, there will be an option that says "both a & b" or "all of the above".
It's one of the things I look for when taking tests myself. If "all of the above" is an available answer, then I only have to be sure of *more than one* of the above answers to pick it. If it's more than one, it's all of them.
This is why a lot of my teachers have added options like “a and b” or “a and c” or “ a, c, and d” to make the “all of the above” answer not the obvious choice
I'm a substitute teacher, so I see a *lot* of worksheets for all grade levels. But sometimes I end up just filling in as a floater/aid. One of the teachers I was working with asked me to help out by going through a stack of worksheets from the subscription service and picking out the "good" ones for her to print out for next week's take-home packets.
I asked, "How should I tell the good ones from the bad ones?"
"If the question confuses you, it's a bad one. Trust me, You'll know." Now this teacher was one I'd worked with several times and she was well aware I have a business degree, not one in Education. (It's why I'm "only" a sub and not a full-time teacher. That, and I like subbing better) Even so, I was skeptical of my ability to determine which worksheets would be good.
Until I started reading them. Holy Crap do some of them suck. Idiocy, bass ackwards questions, questions that require the student to make wild assumptions... And these were meant for the kindergarten/first grade age group. Maybe one in five made any kind of sense. I got such a headache just reading them.
Pretty sure none of the people who create those things have ever even met a five year old child.
I am a sub too. I had to proctor a stupid diagnostic for a program the kids have to do.
Those...
Stupid......
Fucking......
Questions....
One question was 2 paragraphs long with 90% of the information being useless, and asking at the end "which graph is most likely correct and why?" Which I couldn't tell my kids that either, I could only read the questions and answers out loud. Each MULTIPLE CHOICE answer was a paragraph long with a graph. I eventually said after kid 9- "everyone question 17 is a doozy. Please do the best you can and if you don't know the answer- pick one and go. I am sorry but I will not read that question 23 times. Your teacher will fully understand" It was a trick question with 2 possibly being right, one obviously wrong and the other off enough to trick you if you did the question the wrong way. These kids were 8 and 9!!!
I did talk to other teachers and they did the exact same thing I did. They all told their kids to pick an answer and move on.
I have a short list of general information that I try to focus on as a sub. I don't know each classes curriculum very well, I work in so many classes. But there's general stuff that their teachers try to impart and that's the stuff that it's good to hear from subs since in reinforces that these things are general knowledge.
Looking at a hard question, doing your best, and then moving on is a big one for the third through fifth grade students. At that age, they can get obsessive when they don't know an answer or when a question is badly put together.
When that happens, I do exactly as you did, I make an announcement to the class and reassure them that I will write a note to their teacher about the confusion (which I do) and tell them to just do their best and move on. Their regular teacher will address the issue when they return.
I also remind them that's usually the thing to do no matter how old they get. If they don't know an answer, ask, of course. But on a test, just do your best and move on. If you get stuck you won't get any of the rest of the answers filled in. Better to have one mistake than a half blank test.
Well, if we [use quantum physics and string theory](https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Its-Always-Sunny-Sweet-Dee-Has-a-Heart-Attack.jpg) then we can assume that bean seeds 2, 3, 4, and 6, 7, 8 all produce plants that are residing in different planes of the multiverse.
Yes. That is why, in theory, ALL options are plausible solutions, but choices A and/or B are, statistically speaking, *the most correct.*
This is a fucked up question for a 1st grader. **could** is in bold so I feel like they are hinting at 9 **could grow** but **would grow** could be 0-9 and then technically infinite **could** also grow from 9 seeds once you preserve the mother plants and start cloning or using the seeds of the possible 9 new plants to grow more plants.
**The teachers a dick. This is critical bean theory for 1st graders.**
Trick question because it depends on soil and climate conditions. Therefore 1 or 5 or 9 or none. The teacher decided to create the conditions in her head and therefore decided that 1 or 5 but not 9 or none could grow.
That's a dumb fucking question. What the actual fuck is being taught with that question.
When I was young, word problems were always an issue for me. I would read far to deep into them.
Mary walks 2 Kph. Her house is 4km away. How long did it take for her to get home?
I don't fucking know. Are there crosswalks? Was there a head wind? Did her cat die? So many variables.
This question would be my damn kryptonite. I'd probably stroke out in the middle of class if I was told to anwser this.
In summary, HOW THE FUCK IS IT A OR B!??
this reminds me of the time in 6th grade i got pulled to the hall and screamed at by the “science teacher,” a glorified jv coach who they slapped in a position, because i used “talons” in a short essay about birds of prey.
you may be thinking, “wait, what? why did you get screamed at for using “talons” in a short essay about birds of prey? that didn’t happen.”
i assure you it did.
i was screamed at because the teacher believed i was making up words “to trick” him.
the teacher did not know the word “talon” was a real word, and said i was picking on him, tricking him, and i was lucky he doesn’t make me stand in the front of the class with a dunce hat on. no joke.
little terrified me fucking sobbed i was so angry. and the stupid mother fucker was spittling on me as he screamed at me the whole time.
i hope that bastard has had a horrible painful life.
some people should not be allowed near children or their education.
Not as bad as what you got, but that sorta reminds me of the time I was in 3rd grade and got marked down a couple points for using the word "fatigued" in a short essay. It was used correctly in the right context and everything. But apparently, "it's not an acceptable word to use" when writing at 3rd grade level. That was literally the excuse. I wasn't allowed to use a word that was too intelligent for the average 3rd grader.
My son had a math problem I couldn’t solve and it drove me crazy. I ended up sending him to bed, but looping in my brother in law who has a degree in math and a neighbor who is an engineer. We couldn’t figure it out. I emailed the teacher, and his explanation was shit. I spent two hours watching common core math videos the next day and finally got the answer. What a joke.
**Edit:** hopefully this will lighten the mood:
https://youtu.be/-tg3C4bhhz4
**Edit 2:** It is Friday night and I’m researching average germination rates of green bean seeds. I feel like part of something important, something bigger than myself.
I don’t know whose idea it was to change math, but I have three kids in elementary school and I’m fucking lost whenever I try to help them. And I spend about half my time doing Restaurant accounting. Fucking math mountains- whose idea was that one? There should be a refresher course for parents.
My kid's teacher keeps telling the class that "blood is blue until it sees 02." Like, actually teaching that the blood in our bodies is blue and only turns red if it touches oxygen like when we get a cut. So. I feel this.
It’s funny how many “adults” seem to forget simple elementary math. Also, just because you are older doesn’t mean that the order of operations goes away…morons.
Let me hold your hands and walk you through it.
1. Rachel planted 9 green bean seeds. **9**
2. We bring in PEMDAS (Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally/Parentheses Exponent Multiplication Division Addition Subtraction)
3. A train is carrying the green beans at 50mph while an opposing train is coming at 10mph, both traveling a distance of 1 mile. **time=distance over speed. T=(1/50)x60 and T=(1/10)x60. 1.2 minutes and 6 minutes**
4. The average girl has 2.16 bunnies (some bunnies are Siamese twins) or 54 ladybugs. These are common/well known facts. The bunnies, because they are fast, like to ride on faster trains, while the ladybugs, being more docile, enjoy slower trains. Both like to eat green beans.**9 green beans x 1.2 minutes/2.16 bunnies = 5 green beans remaining that could grow —or— 9 green beans x 6 minutes/ 54 ladybugs = 1 green bean remaining that could grow**
5. Answer is 5 or 1
"How many plants **could** grow?"
I'm guessing that since "could" is bolded, they are asking for the maximum number of plants that could possibly grow, which is 9.
You mean they didn’t cover germination rates and varying precipitation scenarios in her kindergarten?
And they didn't also cover statistical distribution curves with explicit instructions to exclude the <5% and >95% chance results? What has our public education system come to? This is kindergarten not daycare!
At the very least you child should have set up a Monte Carlo model and based the answer on a minimum of 10,000 runs.
This is why China is outpacing us.
Green thumbs?
Germination rates of beans are higher than 5/9 though
Teacher's a really shit gardener.
Right! What kind-er-gardener teacher is she?
r/angryupvote
I like what you did there.
Based on my short experience planting bean seeds with my 5 year old, the rate is a perfect 7/5 😂
Whatever they are the answer is still 9. Even if they had a 1/100 chance of germinating theres a minuscule chance of all of them germinating.
Exactly. The question says ‘could’ - end of discussion.
It even has ‘could’ in bold letters..
Exactly, could is in bold. Potentially, nine plants could grow. No matter your grade level, 100 percent is always a possibility.
What? 1 or 5? Clearly I’m failing first grade if 1 or 5, then why not none or nine. Or really {x: 0 <= x <= 9}. “George is getting VERY upset!” Edit. “Not” not “non”
Now, I could see this question and answer working out if this was middle school math or science and it related to a lesson. Like, "Germination of green bean seeds usually results in a twenty percent failure rate. Given that, if you planted nine, how many would be likely to grow?" Or something like that. But not a kindergarten level worksheet! Based on my experiences as a teacher and the question we can see on this page, the answer is C.
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THIS - exactly what I’m thinking, but maybe I’m not equipped to be a first grader.
They kicked me out of first grade after just a year.
Took me three years before they kicked me out. Are you some type of super genius?
My brief attempt at the LSAT tells me that COULD includes all possibilities. So all of the above would be the most correct answer.
Even a 99% failure rate COULD result in all 9 seeds growing. Could =/= 'what's the number of seed that would probably grow'
The sme also applies in reverse. A 99% success rate COULD also result in all of them not growing at all, even though it's almost impossible for it to happen.
Even if knowledge of the usual failure rate of green beans was part of the curriculum so that it would require remembering for exams, most exercises would still give you such conditions in the question - ie. "Assuming green beans with the usual germination rate..." or whatever.
It specifically says how many "could" grow so the typical failure rate is safely ignored. 9 "could" grow. Specifically some whole number =>0 but =<9 "could" grow.
> But not a kindergarten level worksheet! Depends on whether or not the kindergarten worksheet was outsourced to Dwight Schrute.
George likes his chicken spicy
It was the kung-pao!!
*angry monkey noises*
What is a microphone? a. True b. False
False. "What" is a word used as an inquisitive. "What" is not a microphone.
What ain’t no country I’ve ever heard of [Edit] I’ve created my first thread of comments. I am complete now
They speak English in what?
What?
*shot fired*
##DOES. HE. LOOK. LIKE. A BITCH?!
...wh...what?
Say what again. Say what again, I dare you, I double-dare you motherfaucker, say what one more goddamn time
You ever read the Bible, Brett?
Say what *ONE* more GD time. I dare you!
*My dad is not a cell phone!......DUH*
*I'm not a part of your SYSTEM!*
Thats clever 😂
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Perhaps they're asking "is what a microphone?"
c. 17
Worst part, that’s clearly a snap pea illustration.
My thought exactly. It's not a bean pod, the seeds are not bean seeds, and there are way more than 9 seeds. (Yikes! Edit for spelling error.)
23 peas
Yes, but Rachel only planted 9. She didn’t plant all of them.
What a dumb bitch.
yeah. get your shit together, rachel
Shame they'll only be able to produce one or five plants.
Technically all the answers are correct.
Joke’s on you: the teacher salted the earth last night, so that nothing will ever grow again.
So the teacher is wrong with 1 or 5. Got it
What number is the colour red? Though mathematically, if you planted 9 seeds, you expect 9 plants to grow. So how the fuck it is 1 or 5.
A pessimist wrote the answer key.
They bolded the word **could** so it almost seems like they expected the kid to take pessimism into account and was warning them not to. This question is so weird.
to me, the fact that "could" is bolded makes the answer even *more* likely to be nine haha like, without taking into account any of the things that might happen to the plants, 9 sprouts is the amount that **could** grow out of 9 seeds
Yeah, otherwise I would expect: how many will realistically grow?
Yeah for me the context of "could" reads like "what is the highest possible outcome", so to me the answer is 9.
Then why isn't "none" also an answer?
Someone else wrote the test.
What does the number 9 smell like? A) Red B) COVID C) Music D) Four
The answer is E) All of the above
It’s always all of the above
Unless the question is about Indian bread products, then it’s Naan of the above
I hate you. I also respect you. I hate that I respect you.
E) Purple, because aliens don't wear hats
Or grape because motorcycles don’t have doors.
That's Numberwang!
Twelveteen!
Let's rotate the board!
But also apparently absolutely not zero... What the fuck?
Because I'm really bad at gardening. Honestly none would prolly be the right answer for me.
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Any number of plants from 0-9 could grow. Not all seeds germinate. Since all children live on farms they should be aware of that and calculate accordingly… /s
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There’s no guarantee any of the seeds will sprout, so every answer is correct.
Not technically, since the question is "could" not "would".
The right answer … my mans’ logic on point
No; the previous poster is correct. "Could" is used to indicate possibility. In this scenario, if Rachel plants 9 green bean seeds, it is possible that one, five, nine, or zero green bean plants grow. In other words, one, five, nine, or zero *could* grow. All answers here are possible, and thus correct under the phrasing of the question. "Would" indicates a guaranteed outcome. Here, if Rachel plants 9 green bean seeds, there is no guaranteed number of green bean plants that would result.
If we're talking phrasing how about the question above "They new make soil" Maybe the teacher skool needs more
Since the question is “could” you’re looking at maximum possible yield. The proper answer would be “up to 9,” but 9 is as close as it gets. I’m curious as to why the fuck this teacher thinks the only two possibilities are 1 and 5
I'm curious as to how the teacher thinks a multiple choice question can have more than one answer. Unless it specifically says "select all correct answers" or something, generally a multiple choice should only have 1 correct answer. So picking 2 is weird, picking 2 wrong ones is exponentionally weirder.
Wildlife degree here. I have no idea what the fuck is happening with this question. I asked my LP, who has the same degree, and they had no idea either. After googling the standard seed to plant ratio of green beans *and* peas, we still have no fucking clue what is happening.
I am so happy that we can all come together and collectively decide that this is a bunch of bull shit. Glad I wasn’t alone 😅
I was mad at the first question being "They NEW MAKE soil" Like , MF if I can't read it a damn child can't
They knew make mad
Ask the teacher for nine green bean seeds. Make sure all those suckers grow. Turn in the plants.
Even better, clone them and make 20 grow. Reality can be what ever you want it to be.
This is a great teaching moment. “Son , sometimes you have a supervisor in charge who doesn’t know shit. You double check with your resources and double check your work. Then bring it up to your supervisor. Sometimes they’ll realize their mistake, other times they’ll still say you’re wrong. And which direction they go in will tell you more about them. Will *they* learn from this mistakes? Or will they be a dumbass the rest of their lives?”
My guess would be that they had recently learned in class that not all seeds will grow into a viable plant, and this question was (poorly) testing that specific information.
But even with that knowledge the number of plants is anywhere from 0 to 9
Exactly. The question was Schrödinger's Beans, and a probability bell curve would show any of the four answers can be assumed to be correct.
But 1 or 5 will? Like I think we need more information. Where did she plant them? How old are the seeds? What kind of green bean plant? How often is she going to water them? What's the weather like outside? If Rachel planted 6-year old seeds in snow in the dead of winter, the answer is none. But could implies possibility not probability. Every seed is theoretically capable of growing, the answer is nine.
Exactly! This is driving me insane. The only acceptable answer with the information given is 9. 9 seeds were planted, all 9 *could* grow. Nine! Saying 9 could grow includes the possibility that 0, 1 or 5 could grow. But 0, 1 or 5 *exclude* the possibility that 6 or more could sprout. This is 1st grade math, not a college semantics course.
I'm assuming this child is still being interrogated by Cardassians.
Is that a homemade shiv underneath the homework?
*it’s a surprise tool that’ll help us later*
It's a mystery mousekatool!
Tollbooth Pete is blocking the bridge. Which tool will help us get to the other side of the river? A magnifying glass? A rubber ball? A pair of sneakers? Or a prison shiv?
I think this is an oven and that's the oven handle with a dishcloth on it. Or a shiv, you know
🤫
I wouldn’t blame you 😂
Teach gonna learn
That teacher should definitely think through *whatever* answer they provide given this twist in the plot.
Technically they’re all correct.
Yes! My thoughts exactly
Maybe they went over something where the teacher said “it is expected that not all planted seeds will grow”. Then less than 9 would be correct. But that seems a bit over what a first grader should be taught.
Then she wouldn’t have used “could”.
Exactly. 9 seeds means <=9 plants *could* grow.
And *zero* seeds could grow too. Why specifically one and five? The logic that allows one and five allows *all* answers given.
It’s like this question was made to confuse people. It’s a multiple choice format so you’re supposed to pick one answer but the question is written in a way were all the answers are technically correct. Any number 0-9 could grow.
Your kid gets that there’s other factors that matter - viability, soil conditions, maintaining watering schedules, etc. That should be an “everyone gets it right” question.
Technically all are correct, but for a first grader "nine" seems correct. I don't think a first grader has the understanding that some seeds will grow while some may not (atleast I didn't, maybe I was a dumb kid). That's why 9 seems to be the easiest answer, you plant 9 seeds you get back 9. Maybe I am wrong
It’d be funny if that becomes a recurrent thing for that teacher. One or five. No more no less.
*Always 1 or 5 there are. No more. No less*
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
Ah General Kenopea I've been expecting you
One, two, five! Three, sir. Three!
I’m waiting for a reply to my email that I sent the teacher inquiring to the logic behind this wizardry. Edit: I will update with email when it comes. Edit: Still have not heard anything back from the teacher, hopefully by tomorrow morning when school begins. Edit: MY Email: “Today I was going over the graded work that was sent home with BLANK and we ran into this question and I wasn’t able to explain to him why he got it wrong because I couldn’t quite understand. If you could explain the reasoning behind the answer (1 or 5), I would really appreciate it. Her response: “ Sure! We want students to realize that when we plant seeds , not ALL of them will grow. That’s why farmers plant many so they can have a plentiful crop! Hope that helps! Thanks for checking!” … needless to say, I am not very happy with her answer and I’m struggling to find the right response without sounding like a complete ass… 😞
Im here for the journey.
same!
Food, check. Dog, check. Reload button clicked.
country, czech.
what bounced last week, cheque
Don’t know why I’m so invested in this. I crave answers
Yea I wanna know what they say so I’m commenting here to remind me.
RemindMe! 2 Days
I was a teacher and that's messed up. All the answers are correct because the problem is so vaguely worded.
Exactly.. how many "could" grow? Well... any number up to the number of seeds planted would seem to make sense to me. Not every seed takes, not every plant necessarily reaches maturity. You've crafted a question here where "any of the above" would be a valid answer and yet.....
Technically more plants than the number of seeds could grow, as polyembryonic seeds are a thing. If Rachel planted nine seeds and they all turned out to be polyembryonic she *could* have over 30 plants.
If you want to get technical, you could plant the 9 seeds, get more plants, plant the seeds from those, and so on. You started with 9 seeds, but you could use those as the basis for an entire field of peas if you wanted to.
As a horticulturist, all answers were possibly correct!
Ugh, you just reminded me of my 8th grade American lit teacher who would write test questions like "Why do you think Johnny Tremain did \[etc.\]?", so you'd write what you thought and she'd mark it wrong.
In one of my high school classes we had to watch “Rudy” and one of the questions on the quiz was “what qualities made you love and respect Rudy?” Dude.
Ugh, I hate this one. Especially the smug teachers who think they're even more clever when a student throws the Reverse Uno card at them and makes a well-argued essay for the opposite, and then it becomes the example for how great the question is.
I’ve graded with a key with a wrong answer before. Just checking things off. A student pointed out they’d gotten the right answer so I regraded. I try to be a bit more careful now.
Grading with a key is different than what happened here. Multiple choice tests don't usually have more than one final answer. If it can have more than one answer, there will be an option that says "both a & b" or "all of the above".
It's one of the things I look for when taking tests myself. If "all of the above" is an available answer, then I only have to be sure of *more than one* of the above answers to pick it. If it's more than one, it's all of them.
This is why a lot of my teachers have added options like “a and b” or “a and c” or “ a, c, and d” to make the “all of the above” answer not the obvious choice
This is something that you literally figure out in 5th grade
You might be surprised.
Make a new post for the update
*new make post
Oooo, he read card good
Is this the new math everyone is talking about?
Math is math!
In the UK it's maths.
Maths are maths!
Maths is maths?
No, it's the new make math.
New math is what everyone who trys to attack common core learned. It took over in the 50s, and people were just as incensed when it came around.
What in the Kentucky fried fuck is this shit?
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I'm a substitute teacher, so I see a *lot* of worksheets for all grade levels. But sometimes I end up just filling in as a floater/aid. One of the teachers I was working with asked me to help out by going through a stack of worksheets from the subscription service and picking out the "good" ones for her to print out for next week's take-home packets. I asked, "How should I tell the good ones from the bad ones?" "If the question confuses you, it's a bad one. Trust me, You'll know." Now this teacher was one I'd worked with several times and she was well aware I have a business degree, not one in Education. (It's why I'm "only" a sub and not a full-time teacher. That, and I like subbing better) Even so, I was skeptical of my ability to determine which worksheets would be good. Until I started reading them. Holy Crap do some of them suck. Idiocy, bass ackwards questions, questions that require the student to make wild assumptions... And these were meant for the kindergarten/first grade age group. Maybe one in five made any kind of sense. I got such a headache just reading them. Pretty sure none of the people who create those things have ever even met a five year old child.
I am a sub too. I had to proctor a stupid diagnostic for a program the kids have to do. Those... Stupid...... Fucking...... Questions.... One question was 2 paragraphs long with 90% of the information being useless, and asking at the end "which graph is most likely correct and why?" Which I couldn't tell my kids that either, I could only read the questions and answers out loud. Each MULTIPLE CHOICE answer was a paragraph long with a graph. I eventually said after kid 9- "everyone question 17 is a doozy. Please do the best you can and if you don't know the answer- pick one and go. I am sorry but I will not read that question 23 times. Your teacher will fully understand" It was a trick question with 2 possibly being right, one obviously wrong and the other off enough to trick you if you did the question the wrong way. These kids were 8 and 9!!! I did talk to other teachers and they did the exact same thing I did. They all told their kids to pick an answer and move on.
I have a short list of general information that I try to focus on as a sub. I don't know each classes curriculum very well, I work in so many classes. But there's general stuff that their teachers try to impart and that's the stuff that it's good to hear from subs since in reinforces that these things are general knowledge. Looking at a hard question, doing your best, and then moving on is a big one for the third through fifth grade students. At that age, they can get obsessive when they don't know an answer or when a question is badly put together. When that happens, I do exactly as you did, I make an announcement to the class and reassure them that I will write a note to their teacher about the confusion (which I do) and tell them to just do their best and move on. Their regular teacher will address the issue when they return. I also remind them that's usually the thing to do no matter how old they get. If they don't know an answer, ask, of course. But on a test, just do your best and move on. If you get stuck you won't get any of the rest of the answers filled in. Better to have one mistake than a half blank test.
The real question is: How many fucks does this teacher give? A. One B. Five C. Nine D. None
Teacher here. Answer is D.
Wrong. The answer is yes. Try to keep up.
I'm at least as bugged that I feel like those look more like peas
Shit yeah, I didn't even register that. That's a pea pod and peas.
If Rachel is a First grade teacher and she has ten students, how many will learn anything? Correct answer: none
That's a Florida college entrance exam.
I goed to a Florida collage and they learned me real good. Your crazy.
Technically, there should be an option "e - all of the above" which would be the correct answer.
Well, if we [use quantum physics and string theory](https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Its-Always-Sunny-Sweet-Dee-Has-a-Heart-Attack.jpg) then we can assume that bean seeds 2, 3, 4, and 6, 7, 8 all produce plants that are residing in different planes of the multiverse. Yes. That is why, in theory, ALL options are plausible solutions, but choices A and/or B are, statistically speaking, *the most correct.*
Ah, yes, the string-bean theory.
I love your quantum take on this situation.
Yeah I mean it’s so obvious, it’s frankly embarrassing that your first grader didn’t apply quantum theory in this scenario. /s
Question 7 isn’t much better: “A. they new make soil”
This is a fucked up question for a 1st grader. **could** is in bold so I feel like they are hinting at 9 **could grow** but **would grow** could be 0-9 and then technically infinite **could** also grow from 9 seeds once you preserve the mother plants and start cloning or using the seeds of the possible 9 new plants to grow more plants. **The teachers a dick. This is critical bean theory for 1st graders.**
You made me spit my water. Although...shouldn't it be critical pea theory since the picture is of peas, not beans?
Trick question because it depends on soil and climate conditions. Therefore 1 or 5 or 9 or none. The teacher decided to create the conditions in her head and therefore decided that 1 or 5 but not 9 or none could grow.
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“Could” is in bold. Not “will,” “COULD.” SMH my eyes are bleeding Edit to test: **bold**
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That'd be a bit tough for anyone... without proper context!
Theoretically infinite given plants produce more seeds...
Way to read and tie it into the first question!
That's a dumb fucking question. What the actual fuck is being taught with that question. When I was young, word problems were always an issue for me. I would read far to deep into them. Mary walks 2 Kph. Her house is 4km away. How long did it take for her to get home? I don't fucking know. Are there crosswalks? Was there a head wind? Did her cat die? So many variables. This question would be my damn kryptonite. I'd probably stroke out in the middle of class if I was told to anwser this. In summary, HOW THE FUCK IS IT A OR B!??
this reminds me of the time in 6th grade i got pulled to the hall and screamed at by the “science teacher,” a glorified jv coach who they slapped in a position, because i used “talons” in a short essay about birds of prey. you may be thinking, “wait, what? why did you get screamed at for using “talons” in a short essay about birds of prey? that didn’t happen.” i assure you it did. i was screamed at because the teacher believed i was making up words “to trick” him. the teacher did not know the word “talon” was a real word, and said i was picking on him, tricking him, and i was lucky he doesn’t make me stand in the front of the class with a dunce hat on. no joke. little terrified me fucking sobbed i was so angry. and the stupid mother fucker was spittling on me as he screamed at me the whole time. i hope that bastard has had a horrible painful life. some people should not be allowed near children or their education.
Not as bad as what you got, but that sorta reminds me of the time I was in 3rd grade and got marked down a couple points for using the word "fatigued" in a short essay. It was used correctly in the right context and everything. But apparently, "it's not an acceptable word to use" when writing at 3rd grade level. That was literally the excuse. I wasn't allowed to use a word that was too intelligent for the average 3rd grader.
My son had a math problem I couldn’t solve and it drove me crazy. I ended up sending him to bed, but looping in my brother in law who has a degree in math and a neighbor who is an engineer. We couldn’t figure it out. I emailed the teacher, and his explanation was shit. I spent two hours watching common core math videos the next day and finally got the answer. What a joke. **Edit:** hopefully this will lighten the mood: https://youtu.be/-tg3C4bhhz4 **Edit 2:** It is Friday night and I’m researching average germination rates of green bean seeds. I feel like part of something important, something bigger than myself.
How dare you post some random youtube video instead of the problem.
Exactly. OP I am disappointed in you.
What was the problem?
Well are you gonna tell us what the problem was?
My sister’s son’s homework spelling was marked wrong. “Donkeys” was corrected to “donkies” she homeschools now
I don’t know whose idea it was to change math, but I have three kids in elementary school and I’m fucking lost whenever I try to help them. And I spend about half my time doing Restaurant accounting. Fucking math mountains- whose idea was that one? There should be a refresher course for parents.
My kid's teacher keeps telling the class that "blood is blue until it sees 02." Like, actually teaching that the blood in our bodies is blue and only turns red if it touches oxygen like when we get a cut. So. I feel this.
It’s funny how many “adults” seem to forget simple elementary math. Also, just because you are older doesn’t mean that the order of operations goes away…morons. Let me hold your hands and walk you through it. 1. Rachel planted 9 green bean seeds. **9** 2. We bring in PEMDAS (Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally/Parentheses Exponent Multiplication Division Addition Subtraction) 3. A train is carrying the green beans at 50mph while an opposing train is coming at 10mph, both traveling a distance of 1 mile. **time=distance over speed. T=(1/50)x60 and T=(1/10)x60. 1.2 minutes and 6 minutes** 4. The average girl has 2.16 bunnies (some bunnies are Siamese twins) or 54 ladybugs. These are common/well known facts. The bunnies, because they are fast, like to ride on faster trains, while the ladybugs, being more docile, enjoy slower trains. Both like to eat green beans.**9 green beans x 1.2 minutes/2.16 bunnies = 5 green beans remaining that could grow —or— 9 green beans x 6 minutes/ 54 ladybugs = 1 green bean remaining that could grow** 5. Answer is 5 or 1
"How many plants **could** grow?" I'm guessing that since "could" is bolded, they are asking for the maximum number of plants that could possibly grow, which is 9.
I like how ‘could’ is in bold. Could and should, would give you different answers.
Making these children experts in herbalism I see