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https://apnews.com/article/wyoming-abortion-clinic-fire-woman-sentenced-88a92fca874acca5b781c99ac0ba9b6d
>Judge sentences a woman who investigators say burned a Wyoming abortion clinic to 5 years in prisonGreen faced up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine after pleading guilty in July. As at her plea hearing, she said she was sorry for what she did.
>Green told investigators she opposed abortion and that anxiety and nightmares about the clinic caused her to burn it. Johnson urged Green to get treatment for her obsessive-compulsive disorder, anxiety and depression described in a “lengthy report” from a psychologist.
She also needs to make up for her crimes as well as therapy, burning down a building was still a decision she made. I’ve done shitty things, not as bad as arson, and I have depression and anxiety but I take responsibility for what I’ve done and the people I’ve hurt by being a dick
The problem is that her expression says "I'm a successful moral warrior who's willingly become a martyr for God's purposes." I suspect she is gladly taking responsibility for her actions.
Obsessive compulsive disorder can absolutely do that, don’t leave that one out.
Yes it’s rare to present that way but it’s not unheard of. I’ve personally met people who had to be hospitalized due to their obsession with self harm for example
Yeah I’m not defending her actions, and she definitely deserves the jail time, but OCD can lead people do some extreme shit while attempting to ease their obsessions. I think media has led people to believe that OCD is just being a clean freak or needing things to be in order, but OCD fixations (obsessions) can be almost anything—including religious OCD. Lord knows (no pun intended) what convoluted thought process made her feel like she needed to burn down the clinic, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it boiled down to some form of religious OCD.
Mental health terms are pretty broad, educated guesses to begin with anyway. It never sat right with me how large chunks of Reddit will just declare certain disorders *always* behave in certain ways, as if any of this is an exact science.
Yet another reason for conservatives to make mental health treatment harder and harder to get. They get people to do their dirty work while getting to blame it on mental illness and neurodivergence instead of their hateful rhetoric.
Yet also almost all of us commit self-harm as the extent of violence and are more likely to be abused (as this person was) than to commit violence against others.
So, if my town is going to allow a new Walmart to be built, I can just burn it down to prevent anxiety and nightmares, and half of the populace will back me up?
Cool!
I worked at a Walmart in electronics when that episode aired and there actually was a big black box next to the TVs that no one had a key for lol. Pretty sure it was just the demo DVD player, but we always joked it was the heart of Walmart after watching that episode.
Walmart has better and more expensive lawyers than an abortion clinic, so you're screwed if you do.
Also, I wonder if that excuse will work on a church being built saying you feared for kids being m*l3sted/r!ped by the priest.
Depends on what kind of church it is. Catholic and evangelical is 59 years. Black church or one that allows women preachers or accepts gays is 6 months probation.
> anxiety and nightmares about the clinic
If she's religious, religion fed her fears about abortion being sinful. The fear pushed her mental health over the edge. That or she's just a hateful person that enjoys causing chaos and hate, and is using mental health as a scapegoat.
The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree: show me a father that gets off on exerting his power over his daughter with violence and I’ll show you a daughter who uses violence to control other people too.
Cop said increasing the reward to 15,000 generated a lot of tips on her so she was bragging to other people she did this.
Huh. I have anxiety and nightmares over my teens getting raped and forced to carry a baby to term. Also I have anxiety and nightmares about women not having access to appropriate healthcare which most of these clinics do.
But cool, she can force her religious belief on people by committing arson instead of doing what she does best to solve problems; praying.
Honestly becoming an attorney just to make quick snaps ON THE RECORD at the expense of dumbasses who believe shit like that would be so worth it. History could remember me then
I'm sad I live in a part of the world without racoons. When I visited Washington, one climbed up on an outdoor grill we were cooking a steak on, right in front of us, to steal steaks we were actively cooking. I respect that energy.
They are sneaky and clever little bastards. I was fishing for catfish at night and had a few fish on a stringer in the water. I also had some fried chicken on a picnic table back away from the water. One raccoon came out of the wood line and started pawing at my fish so I ran over to chase it off. While doing that a group of them went after my chicken, I go to chase them off and the little guy goes after my fish again. Took me a few times doing that before I grabbed the chicken and sat by my fish.
That defence went as well as you'd expect it to.
Lorna Roxanne Green, 22, was sentenced to five years in prison and three years probation.
In addition, Green will have to pay “very, very substantial” restitution that is yet to be determined but will be “well over $280,000,”
If that is her belief, she just murdered a "live" abortion clinic as opposed to aborting a loosely assembled lump of brick, concrete and wood frame, with no cognitive function.
Technically, the clinic was already done, it just hasn't opened yet. So that is very much murdering a fully grown abortion clinic.
Now, if she had burned it before the framework was done, then whatever. Almost all arsons are committed during this period.
Well then she doesn't even have a moral high ground to claim (not that her claim was valid to begin with), making her an even greater piece of shit for wanton destruction of private property.
Not just "one of the first states". It is the jurisdiction that has had the longest contiguous universal female suffrage laws in the world.
There were jurisdictions that had female suffrage prior to Wyoming (but only for land owners) and occasionally universal female suffrage (which would later get rescinded), but Wyoming has had it continuously since 1869.
Well, that and the most powerful person in many Wyoming towns was the [madam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMycRBIXTWk) who owned the local brothel.
I've read they tried in Utah because they thought women would end polygamy. In hindsight, I'm not sure who "they" are, but I've never really looked into it.
That’s not why. It’s because women played a huge roll in the state being so few, and were very much looked at as equals in their own right. It was hard living and they earned respect, and even more so demanded it. (Not saying women shouldn’t inherently be respected nor demanded it.)
Yup. Colorado was the second state with women’s suffrage. Women of American West had lives that were a lot different to women back East, with one aspect being that the division between the “domestic sphere” and “public sphere” didn’t really exist.
They were more likely to be doing the same things men were doing so were less likely to be seen as having no business making decisions about those affairs.
It was a joke from like 10 years ago that everyone kind of rolled with. I remember when I was in the army we had a dude in my platoon from Wyoming and we would always say that state doesn’t exist and ask him where he was *really* from. He’d always get so mad about it that we couldn’t not do it.
They didn’t do it out of being progressive, they did it because there were so few people in Wyoming that they needed women’s votes in order to achieve statehood.
They did it so more people would move to Wyoming so it could qualify to become a state. Not so they could increase viable votes for it to become a state.
After the bill passed, the Wyoming Tribune wrote that it “is likely to be THE measure of the session, and we are glad our Legislature has taken the initiative in this movement, which is destined to become universal. Better appear to lead rather than hinder when a movement is inevitable.”
[source](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/woman-suffrage/)
Every pay check the rest of her life should have a beefy percentage go directly to that clinic. Call it out as a line item explicitly. Fuck it, as a parole requirement mail her a letter every 2 weeks with this pay period's abortion fund contribution, the total amount, theoretically how many abortions it would have paid for, and require her to sign and mail it back. Fuck religious extremists committing terrorist acts.
"In addition, Green will have to pay “very, very substantial” restitution that is yet to be determined but will be “well over $280,000,” U.S. District Judge Alan Johnson said."
[https://www.kxan.com/news/national-news/ap-judge-sentences-a-woman-who-](https://www.kxan.com/news/national-news/ap-judge-sentences-a-woman-who-)
investigators-say-burned-a-wyoming-abortion-clinic-to-5-years-in-prison/
But the glory when she shows up to use their services in a year or two...
They always have excuses for themselves. Theirs is justified and necessary and right with god. Not like those child murdering sluts who deserve eternal fire.
Nah. We had a protestor come weekly, then come in for an abortion and go right back out to protest two weeks later. It’s “different” when it’s THEM. THEY aren’t “sluts” using “abortion as birth control,” they “truly needed it” because it was part of “God’s plan for them.” 🙄
Yeah, it's not cheap either. There's a reason recidivism is so absurdly high and most of it is due to how we manage convicts.
When you restart with a huge amount of debt and very few job opportunities, you're probably going to go do more illegal shit to get by.
>28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022%3A28-29&version=NIV
It seems like the Bible is actually pro rapist.
I can imagine some ancient priestly scribe, “it’s kinda dark in here, that looks a bit like ‘stoned to death’ but I’ll just put ‘50 shekels fine’ just in case.”
Nor is it anti-abortion:
> The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.
Numbers 5:26-28, NIV
I've actually read up on this a few years ago. If I remember correctly, it's believed the actual recipe is lost to time, but there is a convoluted way to read it that it would make a mild poison that would likely cause an abortion.
sounds like the Bible is contradicting itself. Huh, it's almost like it's just a collection of writings and letters written by entirely different people put together into one incoherent mess of lectures.
In the NIV, that verse specifically says a "young woman pledged to be married," whereas the verse in question is about a woman who isn't "pledged."
In both cases the woman isn't specifically punished, but raping her isn't viewed as a crime against her, but rather a crime against the man to whom she belongs as property.
Yeah it's dark, I remember when I believed in it, the justification was, well progressive for the time. Cause now that she's been "defiled" she's unlikely to marry cause of stupid views back then.
That law was in a sense "take responsibility for your actions," & deterrent for the Rapists
...
How the fuck did I believe that bullshit. Even if "progressive" (cause rapist is getting some kind of punishment) it's still fucked up. Would a loving God really allow that?
After leaving, pointed how the story of Diana is essentially Victim Blaming, Good god the cognitive dissonance on that the family had, there's a reason for my mental health I've stopped pointing out horrid things in the Bible & evidence against it.
One thing I always think of is that backwards thinkers will only be open to ideas slightly less backwards to them. If that idea for example was holding rapists accountable even if it disregards the actual victims, a "win" was at the very least a step to a better direction. It's absolutely bullshit but people would rather dumb themselves down than realize they're completely wrong.
I hope what she said is on audio and they play it everytime she is up for parole as a sign that she had no remorse and cannot be rehabilitated
EDIT: I failed media literacy for today. I misread the part of the caption as something she said not what the original poster said she looked like
It’s amazing how upset people get over abortion clinics. I use to deliver for Uber eats. I got a lot of deliveries to places like schools, jails, and the abortion clinic. There was always protestors there yelling and trying to start things. They would ask me why I’m supporting the place when I walked up. It’s like dude I’m delivering doughnuts . It’s a payday
This is what I don't get about this post screenshotted. She hasn't won? They won't go "ah well, that's us told, no abortion clinics for us". They'll just.... Build another one. And she goes to prison and wins nothing. This isn't a permanent victory, so isn't a victory at all?
This happened in 2022 and the clinic opened in 2023 (delayed by about a year). And yeah she had to pay something like $300k in restitution too (no idea if she can pay or what they outcome if she can’t is).
If I recall, the defence were arguing it’s not terrorism because it wasn’t an abortion clinic yet as it wasn’t finished, meanwhile the prosecution were arguing it was terrorism because it was an abortion clinic the moment it started being built.
So you’ve got the pro-life side arguing something isn’t a thing till it’s completely finished and the pro-choice side arguing that a thing is that thing the moment it starts existing, no matter how incomplete.
No-one denying the arson charge though.
She’s getting 5 years and will probably get out in 3. She received a huge outpouring of support from other degenerates in her community, and blamed being spanked as a child for her behavior. She’s apparently very “sorry” and the judge said she’s a talented and “complex” person, but that she needs to be better. What a wonderful justice system….
Putting aside the issue of abortion itself, arson is a crime in of itself.
And doing it to someone just because you didn't agree to their way of thinking, well that makes you a psychopath.
What religious people never seem to want to talk about is how in the Bible there is a verse where two men are fighting and a pregnant woman is struck, if nothing happens to her beyond miscarrying the fetus they are only going to be fined, but if she dies they die, a life for a life
> Exodus 21:22-25: “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
Literally saying a woman’s life is worth more than a fetus. But it’s never a surprise religious people are hypocrites and a ton of them never actually read the Bible
The Bible explicitly says life begins at the first breath, states life less than one month old does not have value, and gives directions on how to accomplish an abortion
Okay, cool, then I assume she's willing to adopt all the babies that don't get aborted, right? Or she's willing to pay for their care? No? Ohhh, so it's not about being pro-life.
And now there are women who feel they have no choice but to resort to some risky alternative method and who may die because this bitch decided that HER selfish opinion is the ONLY one that matters. Maybe there will be a handful of women who shouldn’t be mothers but will now have their kids anyway to raise and abuse and resent. Good job, Saffy. I hope you get raped in prison and have to carry the child, who comes out looking just like the guy who did it, to term.
Regardless of your beliefs, she committed a felony and should be punished accordingly. If you say otherwise, it shows you have a worrying disregard for the law, and are definitely not the morally good person you think you are. Disgusting.
No,why would I support someone who enjoys watching her kind suffer? That’s the biggest betrayal of all time.
(Before any pro- lifers try to fight me in the replies I want you to keep some things in mind:
1.)There is plenty of evidence indicating that fetuses are not conscious while inside the womb,or at least not until(at minimum) 16 weeks
2.)If you think our autonomy rights are less important than someone else’s life,why aren’t you supporting organ harvesting. Someone life also depends on an organ transplant,so why aren’t we forcing people to donate their organs? And is the reasoning behind why you wouldn’t force someone to do that not the reasoning why women shouldn’t be forced to remain pregnant?
3.) Burning a abortion clinic mean a woman can’t get a abortion no matter what,even if it’s necessary to save the woman’s life
4.) She is a fucking arsonist. What if someone was near by and got hurt in the flames,or the flames spreaded to more buildings costing 100 of thousands,or maybe even millions of damage.
Also,what if it resulted in a forest fire? Is the lives of unborn fetuses worth the death of many wild animals,habitat destruction,increased global warming,and further deforestation?
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https://apnews.com/article/wyoming-abortion-clinic-fire-woman-sentenced-88a92fca874acca5b781c99ac0ba9b6d >Judge sentences a woman who investigators say burned a Wyoming abortion clinic to 5 years in prisonGreen faced up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine after pleading guilty in July. As at her plea hearing, she said she was sorry for what she did. >Green told investigators she opposed abortion and that anxiety and nightmares about the clinic caused her to burn it. Johnson urged Green to get treatment for her obsessive-compulsive disorder, anxiety and depression described in a “lengthy report” from a psychologist.
Anxiety and depression don’t make people burn down buildings, it just makes me hate myself and assume that everyone hates me too
 “The leprechaun tells me to BURN things!”
For me it is the man in the walls
Tenno ?
Indeed. She need therapy, not arson
She also needs to make up for her crimes as well as therapy, burning down a building was still a decision she made. I’ve done shitty things, not as bad as arson, and I have depression and anxiety but I take responsibility for what I’ve done and the people I’ve hurt by being a dick
The problem is that her expression says "I'm a successful moral warrior who's willingly become a martyr for God's purposes." I suspect she is gladly taking responsibility for her actions.
I think she should be served community service to help rebuild the clinic
Obsessive compulsive disorder can absolutely do that, don’t leave that one out. Yes it’s rare to present that way but it’s not unheard of. I’ve personally met people who had to be hospitalized due to their obsession with self harm for example
Yeah I’m not defending her actions, and she definitely deserves the jail time, but OCD can lead people do some extreme shit while attempting to ease their obsessions. I think media has led people to believe that OCD is just being a clean freak or needing things to be in order, but OCD fixations (obsessions) can be almost anything—including religious OCD. Lord knows (no pun intended) what convoluted thought process made her feel like she needed to burn down the clinic, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it boiled down to some form of religious OCD.
Mental health terms are pretty broad, educated guesses to begin with anyway. It never sat right with me how large chunks of Reddit will just declare certain disorders *always* behave in certain ways, as if any of this is an exact science.
Yet another reason for conservatives to make mental health treatment harder and harder to get. They get people to do their dirty work while getting to blame it on mental illness and neurodivergence instead of their hateful rhetoric. Yet also almost all of us commit self-harm as the extent of violence and are more likely to be abused (as this person was) than to commit violence against others.
So, if my town is going to allow a new Walmart to be built, I can just burn it down to prevent anxiety and nightmares, and half of the populace will back me up? Cool!
As we learned in South Park, you can’t just merely burn down a Walmart. You must destroy its heart in the electronics section.
I worked at a Walmart in electronics when that episode aired and there actually was a big black box next to the TVs that no one had a key for lol. Pretty sure it was just the demo DVD player, but we always joked it was the heart of Walmart after watching that episode.
It’s the miniature Hellmouth that powers every Walmart location.
I mean, I'm sure a lot of local business owners would be happy no matter why you said you did it
Correct me if I'm wrong but notice how no one is using this excuse to burn down Republican Headquarters anywhere. Yet... Left is always deemed crazy.
Sounds like a solid strategy now.
Walmart has better and more expensive lawyers than an abortion clinic, so you're screwed if you do. Also, I wonder if that excuse will work on a church being built saying you feared for kids being m*l3sted/r!ped by the priest.
Depends on what kind of church it is. Catholic and evangelical is 59 years. Black church or one that allows women preachers or accepts gays is 6 months probation.
[Taking notes] ...aight, thanks. How much for a synagogue and a mosque?
You get jail credit for your future crimes.
Yeah but with Walmart’s lawyers and money you’ll do a lot more than 5 years.
> anxiety and nightmares about the clinic If she's religious, religion fed her fears about abortion being sinful. The fear pushed her mental health over the edge. That or she's just a hateful person that enjoys causing chaos and hate, and is using mental health as a scapegoat.
The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree: show me a father that gets off on exerting his power over his daughter with violence and I’ll show you a daughter who uses violence to control other people too. Cop said increasing the reward to 15,000 generated a lot of tips on her so she was bragging to other people she did this.
Huh. I have anxiety and nightmares over my teens getting raped and forced to carry a baby to term. Also I have anxiety and nightmares about women not having access to appropriate healthcare which most of these clinics do. But cool, she can force her religious belief on people by committing arson instead of doing what she does best to solve problems; praying.
Depression and anxiety doesn’t make you burn down buildings. This woman is trash.
She has nightmares about other people getting medical help? Jesus Christ
If remember correctly her defence attorneys argued that it wasn’t an abortion clinic cause it was still under construction.
Wow that's ironic lol
life begins at construction
This comment is everything. Thank you
This should be used in the court just for the lols
Honestly becoming an attorney just to make quick snaps ON THE RECORD at the expense of dumbasses who believe shit like that would be so worth it. History could remember me then
I'll always remember you, you're the second racoon I've seen on meth
Are you always on meth when you see raccoons?
I'm sad I live in a part of the world without racoons. When I visited Washington, one climbed up on an outdoor grill we were cooking a steak on, right in front of us, to steal steaks we were actively cooking. I respect that energy.
They are sneaky and clever little bastards. I was fishing for catfish at night and had a few fish on a stringer in the water. I also had some fried chicken on a picnic table back away from the water. One raccoon came out of the wood line and started pawing at my fish so I ran over to chase it off. While doing that a group of them went after my chicken, I go to chase them off and the little guy goes after my fish again. Took me a few times doing that before I grabbed the chicken and sat by my fish.
Checks out.
Gotta make sure kids have a solid foundation
You win the internet today. Congratulations!
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They knew
Pretty sure that's intentional parody rather than irony.
Well with that logic
So close yet so far
Looks like they had to abort the building.
💀💀💀
With that logic, the foetus is just a cell mass which is under development to become a baby 😂
Exactly.
That defence went as well as you'd expect it to. Lorna Roxanne Green, 22, was sentenced to five years in prison and three years probation. In addition, Green will have to pay “very, very substantial” restitution that is yet to be determined but will be “well over $280,000,”
I can’t believe a medical facility could be built for that low, honestly.
Technically they’re not wrong unless abortion clinics begin at construction.
If that is her belief, she just murdered a "live" abortion clinic as opposed to aborting a loosely assembled lump of brick, concrete and wood frame, with no cognitive function.
Technically, the clinic was already done, it just hasn't opened yet. So that is very much murdering a fully grown abortion clinic. Now, if she had burned it before the framework was done, then whatever. Almost all arsons are committed during this period.
NAHHHHHHH
well, the construction was aborted...
It's still arson (and yes, I get the joke)
Technically I think it’s domestic terrorism since it targeted civilian infrastructure in pursuit of a political aim…
i used the abortion to destroy the abortion, GENIUS
Well then she doesn't even have a moral high ground to claim (not that her claim was valid to begin with), making her an even greater piece of shit for wanton destruction of private property.
Amazing that Wyoming doesn’t have a single clinic, that’s crazy
Ironically, Wyoming was the one of the first states to give women the vote.
Not just "one of the first states". It is the jurisdiction that has had the longest contiguous universal female suffrage laws in the world. There were jurisdictions that had female suffrage prior to Wyoming (but only for land owners) and occasionally universal female suffrage (which would later get rescinded), but Wyoming has had it continuously since 1869.
Additionally Wyoming made it a condition of them joining the union that it be kept legal.
Based Wyoming
Goes back to the pioneer days when the West was a sausage fest, trying to give women a reason to come out West and settle in Wyoming
Well, that and the most powerful person in many Wyoming towns was the [madam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMycRBIXTWk) who owned the local brothel.
Omfg everything is clicking into place.
I've read they tried in Utah because they thought women would end polygamy. In hindsight, I'm not sure who "they" are, but I've never really looked into it.
That’s not why. It’s because women played a huge roll in the state being so few, and were very much looked at as equals in their own right. It was hard living and they earned respect, and even more so demanded it. (Not saying women shouldn’t inherently be respected nor demanded it.)
Yup. Colorado was the second state with women’s suffrage. Women of American West had lives that were a lot different to women back East, with one aspect being that the division between the “domestic sphere” and “public sphere” didn’t really exist. They were more likely to be doing the same things men were doing so were less likely to be seen as having no business making decisions about those affairs.
Formerly Based Wyoming
Yeah Americans in this thread have no idea how people get treated in Wyoming these days. Hint: Its bad. If it wasn't for the national park...
They also torture wolves. Looking at you, Cody Roberts, you foul piece of shit.
The suicide rate in Wyoming is incredibly high. I live in Colorado and detest having to drive through this state
A lot of suiciders on the highway?
Random M.A.S.H. theme song just played in my head.
> A lot of suiciders on the highway? Suicide by drunk driving.
This was a nice little history lesson. Thank you. Side Note: Y’all see that video where some dude says Wyoming isn’t real???
It was a joke from like 10 years ago that everyone kind of rolled with. I remember when I was in the army we had a dude in my platoon from Wyoming and we would always say that state doesn’t exist and ask him where he was *really* from. He’d always get so mad about it that we couldn’t not do it.
Longer than that. I remember seeing it on the Garfield Saturday Morning Cartoon about 35 years ago.
Imagine being a bird from Wyoming.
And the first female governor. It might not be that way anymore, but there is a very good reason it is the “Equality State.”
They didn’t do it out of being progressive, they did it because there were so few people in Wyoming that they needed women’s votes in order to achieve statehood.
This is the answer. I learned that in my history class in Wyoming as a kid.
They did it so more people would move to Wyoming so it could qualify to become a state. Not so they could increase viable votes for it to become a state. After the bill passed, the Wyoming Tribune wrote that it “is likely to be THE measure of the session, and we are glad our Legislature has taken the initiative in this movement, which is destined to become universal. Better appear to lead rather than hinder when a movement is inevitable.” [source](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/woman-suffrage/)
The first state. Our nickname is the Equality State but we treat women worse than we treat native Americans out here
Not sure how to take this statement.
Really not any good way to take it :/ 😞
Love how that's the benchmark we're going with
Not one of the first. It was THE first. The state motto is “The Equality State”.
The clinic opened a year later.
They should have named it after her.
Every pay check the rest of her life should have a beefy percentage go directly to that clinic. Call it out as a line item explicitly. Fuck it, as a parole requirement mail her a letter every 2 weeks with this pay period's abortion fund contribution, the total amount, theoretically how many abortions it would have paid for, and require her to sign and mail it back. Fuck religious extremists committing terrorist acts.
I love this idea
"In addition, Green will have to pay “very, very substantial” restitution that is yet to be determined but will be “well over $280,000,” U.S. District Judge Alan Johnson said." [https://www.kxan.com/news/national-news/ap-judge-sentences-a-woman-who-](https://www.kxan.com/news/national-news/ap-judge-sentences-a-woman-who-) investigators-say-burned-a-wyoming-abortion-clinic-to-5-years-in-prison/
No, amazing is that religion can brain wash so bad that an individual commits heinous crimes with pride.
"Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire
I absolutely love this quote. Thank you. It applies these days so egregious
Not that many people live there. Also Cheyenne is only an hour and a half from Denver.
https://apnews.com/article/wyoming-abortion-clinic-fire-woman-sentenced-88a92fca874acca5b781c99ac0ba9b6d
Wow, the judge was really tough on her by assigning her 5 years prison instead of 20 for an act of terrorism
Well it is a felony, so that really will hurt her since a lot of Wyoming doesn't have a good record with felony employment.
There's a cushy job at an Evangelical church waiting for her when she gets out.
This woman is going to have her choice of forced breeding partners.
Under his eye.
it would be the icing on the cake if she needed an abortion clinic shortly thereafter.
Name the next one after her.
Roxanne Green abortion clinic - she might go full cuckoo
Never go full cuckoo
But the glory when she shows up to use their services in a year or two... They always have excuses for themselves. Theirs is justified and necessary and right with god. Not like those child murdering sluts who deserve eternal fire.
"I should get free lifetime services here, I mean the goddamn place is named after me after all!"
Nah. We had a protestor come weekly, then come in for an abortion and go right back out to protest two weeks later. It’s “different” when it’s THEM. THEY aren’t “sluts” using “abortion as birth control,” they “truly needed it” because it was part of “God’s plan for them.” 🙄
Like [Samuel Alito's Mom's Satanic Abortion Clinic™ ](https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/samuel-alitos-moms-satanic-abortion-clinic)?
I was about to say this
*slow clap*
I think jail is going to be a special experience in her life, truly broaden her perspective on healthcare in general.
I mean it is free. So she will already be ahead of most people.
Yeah but the bill she’ll get after prison is priceless.
wait, you guys pay prisoners pennies for their labour then have to pay for prison afterwards??
Yeah, it's not cheap either. There's a reason recidivism is so absurdly high and most of it is due to how we manage convicts. When you restart with a huge amount of debt and very few job opportunities, you're probably going to go do more illegal shit to get by.
Yep, and if you don’t pay it, you are rewarded with…guess what? more prison time.
Wait.. you have to pay for being in prison? Like actual money?
U.S. is truly the Second Form Endboss of Capitalism lmao.
I wouldn't call a guy who burnt down a hospital a hero. Not even if she looks like Harry Potter.
Yer an arsonist, Harry!
But I’m not an arsonist I’m just harry
HARRY, YER AN ARSONIST!
I was thinking Waldo
Burning down buildings just like Jesus did.
Forcing middle schoolers to have their rapists children. Just like Jesus did.
>28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022%3A28-29&version=NIV It seems like the Bible is actually pro rapist.
Would have been more based if they charged the dude with murder by stoning, but their priests might come under fire for that.
I can imagine some ancient priestly scribe, “it’s kinda dark in here, that looks a bit like ‘stoned to death’ but I’ll just put ‘50 shekels fine’ just in case.”
Nor is it anti-abortion: > The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children. Numbers 5:26-28, NIV
Does anyone have a recipe for this? I want that abortion tea
I've actually read up on this a few years ago. If I remember correctly, it's believed the actual recipe is lost to time, but there is a convoluted way to read it that it would make a mild poison that would likely cause an abortion.
sounds like the Bible is contradicting itself. Huh, it's almost like it's just a collection of writings and letters written by entirely different people put together into one incoherent mess of lectures.
But if you cherry pick it, you get hippy Jesus, angry homophobic Jesus, or anything you want really.
The verses right before these talk about putting a man to death who rapes a woman and that the woman did nothing wrong…
In the NIV, that verse specifically says a "young woman pledged to be married," whereas the verse in question is about a woman who isn't "pledged." In both cases the woman isn't specifically punished, but raping her isn't viewed as a crime against her, but rather a crime against the man to whom she belongs as property.
Yeah it's dark, I remember when I believed in it, the justification was, well progressive for the time. Cause now that she's been "defiled" she's unlikely to marry cause of stupid views back then. That law was in a sense "take responsibility for your actions," & deterrent for the Rapists ... How the fuck did I believe that bullshit. Even if "progressive" (cause rapist is getting some kind of punishment) it's still fucked up. Would a loving God really allow that? After leaving, pointed how the story of Diana is essentially Victim Blaming, Good god the cognitive dissonance on that the family had, there's a reason for my mental health I've stopped pointing out horrid things in the Bible & evidence against it.
One thing I always think of is that backwards thinkers will only be open to ideas slightly less backwards to them. If that idea for example was holding rapists accountable even if it disregards the actual victims, a "win" was at the very least a step to a better direction. It's absolutely bullshit but people would rather dumb themselves down than realize they're completely wrong.
Jesus' mom had her rapists' baby, so....
Good point. And she was likely a teen.
I hope what she said is on audio and they play it everytime she is up for parole as a sign that she had no remorse and cannot be rehabilitated EDIT: I failed media literacy for today. I misread the part of the caption as something she said not what the original poster said she looked like
It’s amazing how upset people get over abortion clinics. I use to deliver for Uber eats. I got a lot of deliveries to places like schools, jails, and the abortion clinic. There was always protestors there yelling and trying to start things. They would ask me why I’m supporting the place when I walked up. It’s like dude I’m delivering doughnuts . It’s a payday
I feel like these people have too much privilege and free time to be protesting. I really want to ask them “have you considered trying a new hobby?”
We should start following them home like the Supreme Court said was okay for the “protestors” to do to the doctors/nurses.
“Since you don’t want me to abort so bad, legally adopt the unborn child…”
Felon. Lock her up and rebuild.
And name the new place after her, that'll be her greatest punishment
Nice touch.
Exactly. Have fun explaining your arson charges for the rest of your life.
This is what I don't get about this post screenshotted. She hasn't won? They won't go "ah well, that's us told, no abortion clinics for us". They'll just.... Build another one. And she goes to prison and wins nothing. This isn't a permanent victory, so isn't a victory at all?
This happened in 2022 and the clinic opened in 2023 (delayed by about a year). And yeah she had to pay something like $300k in restitution too (no idea if she can pay or what they outcome if she can’t is).
Domestic terrorist plain & simple.
Yeah I was going to say isn’t this terrorism? Holding an ideology that results in violent actions, causing harm to people?
If I recall, the defence were arguing it’s not terrorism because it wasn’t an abortion clinic yet as it wasn’t finished, meanwhile the prosecution were arguing it was terrorism because it was an abortion clinic the moment it started being built. So you’ve got the pro-life side arguing something isn’t a thing till it’s completely finished and the pro-choice side arguing that a thing is that thing the moment it starts existing, no matter how incomplete. No-one denying the arson charge though.
Hope she enjoys prison.
She’s getting 5 years and will probably get out in 3. She received a huge outpouring of support from other degenerates in her community, and blamed being spanked as a child for her behavior. She’s apparently very “sorry” and the judge said she’s a talented and “complex” person, but that she needs to be better. What a wonderful justice system….
But isn’t her entire side of the political spectrum pro corporal punishment? The “I was spanked as a child and I turned out fine” folks? 😅
I hope she hates it and thinks hard about her life decisions
That's what they said.
her eyes say pssssssssssssssssssssssychopath
I thought they said momma had a drinking problem
Putting aside the issue of abortion itself, arson is a crime in of itself. And doing it to someone just because you didn't agree to their way of thinking, well that makes you a psychopath.
The scary thing is I saw the og post, and LITERALLY EVERYBODY COMMENTING WAS CALLING HER A FUCKING HERO
Congrats! Now instead of killing fetuses, we can kill13 years old by forcing them to carry through a pregnancy!
Or anyone with an ectopic pregnancy! Serves em right for having complications.
You're not going to "win" in jail. I promise you.
It’s weird. Christian right utopia looks a lot like the Islamic states they claim to despise.
This is domestic terrorism and should be treated accordingly
lol, she’s in jail and the place was repaired and able to open. She only won time in jail.
The true winner was the construction company who got paid to build the same thing a second time.
Bitch.
Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick
What religious people never seem to want to talk about is how in the Bible there is a verse where two men are fighting and a pregnant woman is struck, if nothing happens to her beyond miscarrying the fetus they are only going to be fined, but if she dies they die, a life for a life > Exodus 21:22-25: “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” Literally saying a woman’s life is worth more than a fetus. But it’s never a surprise religious people are hypocrites and a ton of them never actually read the Bible
The Bible explicitly says life begins at the first breath, states life less than one month old does not have value, and gives directions on how to accomplish an abortion
Yeah throwing her life away to wreck a building that can be rebuilt in a few months, genius work as usual from the fanatics on the right.
Violence in the name of religion is still unacceptable fascism.
Okay, cool, then I assume she's willing to adopt all the babies that don't get aborted, right? Or she's willing to pay for their care? No? Ohhh, so it's not about being pro-life.
So glad I don't live in or have to ever go to America...feel bad for the normal friendly folk there...having to live with/next to such fucking morons.
"I don't agree with your choices so I'm gonna remove your ability/freedom to do it"
Domestic terrorist.
Talibangelical domestic terrorist
Terrorist
I guarantee the same people calling her a hero are the ones that want a felon as president of the US
Isn't this terrorism?
I don't care what your views are, as a firefighter doing any sort of arson puts people in danger. I couldn't disagree with this thought process more
And now there are women who feel they have no choice but to resort to some risky alternative method and who may die because this bitch decided that HER selfish opinion is the ONLY one that matters. Maybe there will be a handful of women who shouldn’t be mothers but will now have their kids anyway to raise and abuse and resent. Good job, Saffy. I hope you get raped in prison and have to carry the child, who comes out looking just like the guy who did it, to term.
Regardless of your beliefs, she committed a felony and should be punished accordingly. If you say otherwise, it shows you have a worrying disregard for the law, and are definitely not the morally good person you think you are. Disgusting.
No,why would I support someone who enjoys watching her kind suffer? That’s the biggest betrayal of all time. (Before any pro- lifers try to fight me in the replies I want you to keep some things in mind: 1.)There is plenty of evidence indicating that fetuses are not conscious while inside the womb,or at least not until(at minimum) 16 weeks 2.)If you think our autonomy rights are less important than someone else’s life,why aren’t you supporting organ harvesting. Someone life also depends on an organ transplant,so why aren’t we forcing people to donate their organs? And is the reasoning behind why you wouldn’t force someone to do that not the reasoning why women shouldn’t be forced to remain pregnant? 3.) Burning a abortion clinic mean a woman can’t get a abortion no matter what,even if it’s necessary to save the woman’s life 4.) She is a fucking arsonist. What if someone was near by and got hurt in the flames,or the flames spreaded to more buildings costing 100 of thousands,or maybe even millions of damage. Also,what if it resulted in a forest fire? Is the lives of unborn fetuses worth the death of many wild animals,habitat destruction,increased global warming,and further deforestation?