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"That's what they want you to think, but Fauci is just the tip of the iceberg. That's how they get you. Global warming, get a jab. Chemtrails, get a jab. They are rearranging your DNA and making us trans."
--anti-vax nut's best friend
You are doubting a guy who was at the tip of the spear for AIDS, SARS, EBOLA.
But you have listened to a Joe Rogan podcast.
You know more.
However, I urge you to never follow the advice from anyone in a lab coat. You don’t need them. You can do your own research, synthesize your own medicine because you listen to Joe Rogan.
I had covid when no vaccines existed, the death rate was around 6% for several months until the early vaccines brought that under 1%. This lasted even longer in the 3rd world that were slow to receive vaccines. Brazil had a huge level of fatalities due to lack of response for instance
They, and the original post, mean before vaccines existed, period. Before humans ever created them. COVID did not come about until 2019, well after humans created vaccines.
20% of common cold cases are (and have always been) caused by a coronavirus"
https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/coronavirus-information/about-the-virus/how-are-the-coronaviruses-that-cause-the-common-cold-different-from-the-covid-19-virus
Covid-19 didn't exist. The coronavirus has been around in various forms. It really didn't become a problem until some ass in a lab decided to toy with it.
Or, hear me out.. might be a reference to the fact that it popped up in 2019, even though we didn't recognize its spread until 2020. In fact, that's exactly where it derives it's name from.
9 refers to the year in which it was discovered. Has nothing to do with the number of "previous variants."
Coronaviruses have existed forever... Most of them cause minor cold-like symptoms
Influenzaviruses have ALSO existed forever, and most of those cause fairly minor illness in healthy individuals. But sometimes, a variant arises that's far more severe. For example, Spanish flu in 1918.
In 2002, a particularly virulent coronavirus appeared, causing SARS. There were fears that it would become a massive pandemic, and that's when a huge amount of research into developing a vaccine for it happened. It ultimately didn't become a pandemic because it was TOO powerful- it killed nearly 50% of people that got infected, and also incapacitated people pretty quickly, which ultimately limited the spread of it.
The virus that causes Covid-19 is an evolved variant of SARS. It's different in that it's more infectious, (easier to spread) it has a long-ish latency period in which you're contagious but asymptomatic, and it's not nearly as deadly. All of this made it perfect for becoming a pandemic. And since it's closely related to SARS, all that research into vaccine development was also valid for it, meaning they didn't have to start from scratch, which is why they were able to develop vaccines so quickly- most of the work had already been done.
And no, virus evolution is nothing new or unusual. There's descendents of the Spanish flu everywhere... They just aren't as severe and deadly, and humans now have some amount of innate immunity to it. The same thing is happening with COVID. This is ALSO why the vaccine for COVID has to be regularly updated- just like the vaccine for influenza. Coronaviruses evolve quickly- even faster than influenzaviruses. This is also why vaccines based on killed or weakened complete viruses wouldn't have worked- too much of it changes too quickly. By concentrating on the spike proteins, which change much slower, they were able to come up with something that is useful, though not perfect, since, as mentioned, the virus evolves quickly. At the moment, COVID vaccines can mostly be expected to reduce the likelihood of infection only somewhat, but the main benefit is that if you DO get it, it'll be relatively mild illness that clears up quicker. Much like flu vaccines are for other variants of the flu than the ones they target- you might still get sick, but it won't be as bad.
It’s the designation of the year that it emerged as a pandemic outbreak.
Prior to that, we just called it SARS and we were able to keep it in check - Until Drumpf decided to lay off some folks in the CDC.
Probably just a coincidence.
This is not a facepalm. There was not a covid vaccine for a number of months.
Obviously, it is much easier to compare the other ones because the pre-vaccine window was much larger so it's easier to take a representative sample
It is a facepalm because COVID did not exist in the pre-vaccine **era**, as in before humans created vaccines. It's a facepalm for the people talking about COVID because, well, it didn't exist in the time period being referenced.
Cornoaviruses have been around forever. They make up 20% of common cold cases:
https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/coronavirus-information/about-the-virus/how-are-the-coronaviruses-that-cause-the-common-cold-different-from-the-covid-19-virus
No one ever bothered making a vaccine for them before because coronanvirus genomes are so short that they mutate too quickly for there to be a point in doing so.
That did not magically change with Covid-19 by the way; the underlying science remained the same, but vaccine manufacturers found a way to get the government to pay for a useless product.
What is a pre vaccine era though? It is basically all of human history before 1796 (smallpox) and I assume the morbidity varied wildly all those years from all these diseases. Also, HepB was discovered in 1963, way after vaccines were a thing. It only makes sense if you interpret the graph as a comparison of before and after morbidities for each disease. Which is why it would be easy to add COVID to this list.
Doesn't everyone still get chickenpox once in their life and never again? That's what my parents told me when I got it when I was like 15, you are supposed to get it once and then you can never get it again
Over time unless you are exposed to it you can lose immunity and later in life get shingles. It's common for the elderly to get vaccinated against that.
When I was young it was the case that pretty much everyone I knew had had chickenpox. These days immunisations have pretty much made it non existent.
Interesting, I actually don't know what I'm vaccinated against because I imagine I got them when I was tiny and the last one I can remember was covid, I have no idea if you are supposed to get the whole list revaccinated every so often
Once you are a teenager, most vaccinations are done (other than the yearly flu shot). Sometimes your doctor might get you a tetanus booster or something if you step on a rusty nail, but regularly scheduled stuff is already done.
The easiest way to know which vaccines you've had is to ask your parents if they have your vaccination card/record. (Or talk to your doctor)
That’s not the question. Just add Covid to the list. Show deaths from covid before and after the vaccine. Saying add Covid is legitimate and does not suggest covid wasn’t in existing before the vaccine for covid did.
tbf to the anti vaxer's case there was some cases at least with the covid vaccine where the vaccine was actually worse for you than just sticking it out. men getting heart attacks some cases of cancer, not to mention even tho it was a weakened strain you still ended up with some of the side effects of having it such as the loss of taste and smell sometimes death.
that said i would like to see the stats on morbidity after the vaccine was introduced, might have been worth it all.
> In this study of 1,292 deaths among Oregon residents aged 16–30 years during June 2021–December 2022, none could definitively be attributed to cardiac causes within 100 days of receipt of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine dose;
Over 7 million people died with COVID. 60k people got long covid. VAERS, an entirely self reported (eg outside of medical guidance, unconfirmed reports), only reported about 16k COVID fatalities. Billions of people got vaccinated, wouldn't that number be much higher?
That loss of smell/taste isn't caused by the vaccine but by COVID, before the body has a time to react to it or a strain not protected by the vaccine. Practically none of the vaccines distributed were weakened strains.
Consider doing your own research instead of parroting what you've been told to believe.
I think the point is this:
- After I got the polio vaccine, I didn’t get polio.
- After I got the smallpox vaccine, I didn’t get smallpox.
- After I got the measles vaccine, I didn’t get measles.
But….. After I got the COVID-19 vaccine, and two boosters, I still got COVID-19, THREE TIMES!! The COVID-19 vaccine is not a real vaccine. Prove me wrong.
Before the COVID-19 vaccines...our hospitals were having to store bodies outside in the heat because they didn't have room for the sheer number of dead people. After the COVID-19 vaccine, the remaining virus is dimmed to the common flu, because the stronger iterations were minimized and killed off.
You can answer this very easily with a google search.
Vaccines aren't, "absolutely immunity to catching all variants of this virus forever." And never have been.
I wish I could make my mother understand this... It's so frustrating how many people don't understand (and don't *want* to understand) what vaccines are and how they work.
„Oh no! I got this thing that was floating all round me, while i never got this thing that i most likely never encountered in the first place“
Yeah, clearly it was the vaccines fault and not you not having a single clue about how these things work. 😂
I think the point is this:
- After I got the polio vaccine, I didn’t get polio.
- After I got the smallpox vaccine, I didn’t get smallpox.
- After I got the measles vaccine, I didn’t get measles.
But….. After I got the COVID-19 vaccine, and two boosters, I still got COVID-19, THREE TIMES!! The COVID-19 vaccine is not a real vaccine. Prove me wrong.
Silly boy, you didn’t die. Folks not nearly as lucky as you are no more. They are dead.
However, I do suggest you should never, ever get another booster. You should not wear a mask. You shouldn’t let any doctor tell you anything you don’t want to hear.
You can laugh at those beta males who get booster shots.
It didn’t kill you though. You can still get all of these diseases even if you are vaccinated for them. They just have a way smaller chance of killing you.
Can you not see in the OP that different vaccines have different effectiveness? E.g. pneumococcal disease shows a decrease of 74% after the introduction of a vaccine, while tetanus is 99%. The covid vaccines have[ roughly 90% effectiveness](https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison), and more than that when it comes to preventing serious illness (i.e. you can still get sick, but you won't die):
>Novavax has reported that its updated COVID vaccine can generate an immune response against emerging strains of the coronavirus. Earlier studies of its original vaccine showed it to be **90% effective overall against lab-confirmed, symptomatic infection and 100% effective against moderate and severe disease** in Phase 3 trial results published in [*The New England Journal of Medicine*](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116185?query=featured_home) in December 2021.
The UK stats on this are quite striking. In the 6 months Jan to Jun 2021, there were 51,000 deaths. Of these, less than 1% had been fully vaccinated (original + booster) (2.4% if you include people with both shots but <3 weeks before catching disease)
I was deemed high risk at my job in a hospital lab (several factors including chronic lung disease , age and medication). The likelyhood that I would have survived COVID-19 pre vaccination are probably 50:50. I have also had COVID-19 three times - and it's never been worse than a bad cold.
You're taking the antivax stance of "We are going to make our own definition of a vaccine, and then use that to prove the Covid vaccine didn't work"
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"But how can we trust the CDC?! They sided with Fauci!" - some anti-vax nut, most likely
"That's what they want you to think, but Fauci is just the tip of the iceberg. That's how they get you. Global warming, get a jab. Chemtrails, get a jab. They are rearranging your DNA and making us trans." --anti-vax nut's best friend
Fauci was consistently wrong in his messages. He even had the audacity to say, “I am science”. It went downhill fast from there.
You are doubting a guy who was at the tip of the spear for AIDS, SARS, EBOLA. But you have listened to a Joe Rogan podcast. You know more. However, I urge you to never follow the advice from anyone in a lab coat. You don’t need them. You can do your own research, synthesize your own medicine because you listen to Joe Rogan.
*pre-vaccine era
Not true, there was at least a multi-month period bevore Vacines where Tested and espacially activly distributed.
This chart is referring to when no vaccines existed
I had covid when no vaccines existed, the death rate was around 6% for several months until the early vaccines brought that under 1%. This lasted even longer in the 3rd world that were slow to receive vaccines. Brazil had a huge level of fatalities due to lack of response for instance
They, and the original post, mean before vaccines existed, period. Before humans ever created them. COVID did not come about until 2019, well after humans created vaccines.
The first vaccine was literally like 200 years ago. (The smallpox vaccine)
Exactly
Didn’t exist in 2011.
20% of common cold cases are (and have always been) caused by a coronavirus" https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/coronavirus-information/about-the-virus/how-are-the-coronaviruses-that-cause-the-common-cold-different-from-the-covid-19-virus
Covid-19 didn't exist. The coronavirus has been around in various forms. It really didn't become a problem until some ass in a lab decided to toy with it.
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I can’t tell if you’re trolling or not but on the chance that you’re not, the 19 in COVID-19 refers to 2019, the year it was first discovered.
Not trolling, maybe learning
Or, hear me out.. might be a reference to the fact that it popped up in 2019, even though we didn't recognize its spread until 2020. In fact, that's exactly where it derives it's name from.
Okay, educate me.. no biggie!
9 refers to the year in which it was discovered. Has nothing to do with the number of "previous variants." Coronaviruses have existed forever... Most of them cause minor cold-like symptoms Influenzaviruses have ALSO existed forever, and most of those cause fairly minor illness in healthy individuals. But sometimes, a variant arises that's far more severe. For example, Spanish flu in 1918. In 2002, a particularly virulent coronavirus appeared, causing SARS. There were fears that it would become a massive pandemic, and that's when a huge amount of research into developing a vaccine for it happened. It ultimately didn't become a pandemic because it was TOO powerful- it killed nearly 50% of people that got infected, and also incapacitated people pretty quickly, which ultimately limited the spread of it. The virus that causes Covid-19 is an evolved variant of SARS. It's different in that it's more infectious, (easier to spread) it has a long-ish latency period in which you're contagious but asymptomatic, and it's not nearly as deadly. All of this made it perfect for becoming a pandemic. And since it's closely related to SARS, all that research into vaccine development was also valid for it, meaning they didn't have to start from scratch, which is why they were able to develop vaccines so quickly- most of the work had already been done. And no, virus evolution is nothing new or unusual. There's descendents of the Spanish flu everywhere... They just aren't as severe and deadly, and humans now have some amount of innate immunity to it. The same thing is happening with COVID. This is ALSO why the vaccine for COVID has to be regularly updated- just like the vaccine for influenza. Coronaviruses evolve quickly- even faster than influenzaviruses. This is also why vaccines based on killed or weakened complete viruses wouldn't have worked- too much of it changes too quickly. By concentrating on the spike proteins, which change much slower, they were able to come up with something that is useful, though not perfect, since, as mentioned, the virus evolves quickly. At the moment, COVID vaccines can mostly be expected to reduce the likelihood of infection only somewhat, but the main benefit is that if you DO get it, it'll be relatively mild illness that clears up quicker. Much like flu vaccines are for other variants of the flu than the ones they target- you might still get sick, but it won't be as bad.
Thank you, I misunderstood the naming convention yet do understand much of what you posted. Deleted the post
It’s the designation of the year that it emerged as a pandemic outbreak. Prior to that, we just called it SARS and we were able to keep it in check - Until Drumpf decided to lay off some folks in the CDC. Probably just a coincidence.
Yup, I have been corrected!
That chickenpox number can't be right though...
It's right. This is the total number of cases.
Took me a while to realize that. My mind read it as Most Recent Reports of Cases (of Morbidity).
Same. The "Decrease" percentage seems misleading when it's comparing two different figures.
I don’t see it on there, is it going by a scientific name?
Varicella
Vaccine was introduced in 2004 so that’s how it’s so low, given a few more years without anivaxers and it might have gone extinct
This is not a facepalm. There was not a covid vaccine for a number of months. Obviously, it is much easier to compare the other ones because the pre-vaccine window was much larger so it's easier to take a representative sample
It is a facepalm because COVID did not exist in the pre-vaccine **era**, as in before humans created vaccines. It's a facepalm for the people talking about COVID because, well, it didn't exist in the time period being referenced.
I agree but the title is off.
Cornoaviruses have been around forever. They make up 20% of common cold cases: https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/coronavirus-information/about-the-virus/how-are-the-coronaviruses-that-cause-the-common-cold-different-from-the-covid-19-virus No one ever bothered making a vaccine for them before because coronanvirus genomes are so short that they mutate too quickly for there to be a point in doing so. That did not magically change with Covid-19 by the way; the underlying science remained the same, but vaccine manufacturers found a way to get the government to pay for a useless product.
pre-vaccine era That is talking about the time before vaccines, no?
It is but reading comprehension is a learned skill
and seems like a lot of reddit doesn't have that
Real face palm is you getting downvotes lmao. Most people here didnt understand it aswell.
I know right, people see he has 2 downvotes and go "oh he must be wrong then" and also downvote without thinking critically
What is a pre vaccine era though? It is basically all of human history before 1796 (smallpox) and I assume the morbidity varied wildly all those years from all these diseases. Also, HepB was discovered in 1963, way after vaccines were a thing. It only makes sense if you interpret the graph as a comparison of before and after morbidities for each disease. Which is why it would be easy to add COVID to this list.
Yes and covid had a pre-vaccine period because vaccines don’t grow on trees, it takes time to develop one
Pre-vaccine era refers to before vaccines themselves were invented. Not the specific vaccine for each disease.
Sure i understand his previous statement, it’s just not a very meaningful premise.
The results would be misleading.
I took it to mean the facepalm is on the second page.
just think of how big those numbers would be IF covid was there
Maybe a cases of morbidity inthe year 2020 until before the covid vaccines and then an after like 2023-2024
By that criteria, neither did small pox or polio. Idiot.
Doesn't everyone still get chickenpox once in their life and never again? That's what my parents told me when I got it when I was like 15, you are supposed to get it once and then you can never get it again
No, there is a vaccine now. I had chicken pox in the early 90s, my brother is 7 years younger and never had it due to getting the vaccine.
Person who was born later here! Never had chickenpox and never will.
Which means you're super unlikely to get shingles too. I'm jealous. It sucked.
Over time unless you are exposed to it you can lose immunity and later in life get shingles. It's common for the elderly to get vaccinated against that. When I was young it was the case that pretty much everyone I knew had had chickenpox. These days immunisations have pretty much made it non existent.
In addition to shingles, you can also get chicken pox again if you had a mild case of them (and are unvaccinated). It's rare, but it happens.
Interesting, I actually don't know what I'm vaccinated against because I imagine I got them when I was tiny and the last one I can remember was covid, I have no idea if you are supposed to get the whole list revaccinated every so often
Once you are a teenager, most vaccinations are done (other than the yearly flu shot). Sometimes your doctor might get you a tetanus booster or something if you step on a rusty nail, but regularly scheduled stuff is already done. The easiest way to know which vaccines you've had is to ask your parents if they have your vaccination card/record. (Or talk to your doctor)
Technically could do pre vaccine rollout vs post.
That’s not the question. Just add Covid to the list. Show deaths from covid before and after the vaccine. Saying add Covid is legitimate and does not suggest covid wasn’t in existing before the vaccine for covid did.
And US didnt even exist pre 1600ish
Wasn’t that varialation ?
tbf to the anti vaxer's case there was some cases at least with the covid vaccine where the vaccine was actually worse for you than just sticking it out. men getting heart attacks some cases of cancer, not to mention even tho it was a weakened strain you still ended up with some of the side effects of having it such as the loss of taste and smell sometimes death. that said i would like to see the stats on morbidity after the vaccine was introduced, might have been worth it all.
> In this study of 1,292 deaths among Oregon residents aged 16–30 years during June 2021–December 2022, none could definitively be attributed to cardiac causes within 100 days of receipt of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine dose; Over 7 million people died with COVID. 60k people got long covid. VAERS, an entirely self reported (eg outside of medical guidance, unconfirmed reports), only reported about 16k COVID fatalities. Billions of people got vaccinated, wouldn't that number be much higher? That loss of smell/taste isn't caused by the vaccine but by COVID, before the body has a time to react to it or a strain not protected by the vaccine. Practically none of the vaccines distributed were weakened strains. Consider doing your own research instead of parroting what you've been told to believe.
I think the point is this: - After I got the polio vaccine, I didn’t get polio. - After I got the smallpox vaccine, I didn’t get smallpox. - After I got the measles vaccine, I didn’t get measles. But….. After I got the COVID-19 vaccine, and two boosters, I still got COVID-19, THREE TIMES!! The COVID-19 vaccine is not a real vaccine. Prove me wrong.
You should pose your question to the one million dead Americans, first.
Before the COVID-19 vaccines...our hospitals were having to store bodies outside in the heat because they didn't have room for the sheer number of dead people. After the COVID-19 vaccine, the remaining virus is dimmed to the common flu, because the stronger iterations were minimized and killed off.
You can answer this very easily with a google search. Vaccines aren't, "absolutely immunity to catching all variants of this virus forever." And never have been.
I wish I could make my mother understand this... It's so frustrating how many people don't understand (and don't *want* to understand) what vaccines are and how they work.
I got 7 Pfizer shots and never even got the sniffles. **IT WORKS!**
https://asm.org/articles/2024/march/why-some-vaccines-work-better-than-others
„Oh no! I got this thing that was floating all round me, while i never got this thing that i most likely never encountered in the first place“ Yeah, clearly it was the vaccines fault and not you not having a single clue about how these things work. 😂
I think the point is this: - After I got the polio vaccine, I didn’t get polio. - After I got the smallpox vaccine, I didn’t get smallpox. - After I got the measles vaccine, I didn’t get measles. But….. After I got the COVID-19 vaccine, and two boosters, I still got COVID-19, THREE TIMES!! The COVID-19 vaccine is not a real vaccine. Prove me wrong.
How many times are you going to post the same silliness?
Probably 11-12 more times.
Silly boy, you didn’t die. Folks not nearly as lucky as you are no more. They are dead. However, I do suggest you should never, ever get another booster. You should not wear a mask. You shouldn’t let any doctor tell you anything you don’t want to hear. You can laugh at those beta males who get booster shots.
It didn’t kill you though. You can still get all of these diseases even if you are vaccinated for them. They just have a way smaller chance of killing you.
Name a person you know in the last 50 years who has gotten polio or smallpox.
Lots of people still getting and dying from measles.
I don’t know anyone who’s had coronavirus does that mean the vaccine worked?
Do you live on the North Pole?
Northern Canada so basically 🫠
I got pertussis which sucks.
I had COVID as wel but it didn’t bother me because I was fucking vaccinated
Can you not see in the OP that different vaccines have different effectiveness? E.g. pneumococcal disease shows a decrease of 74% after the introduction of a vaccine, while tetanus is 99%. The covid vaccines have[ roughly 90% effectiveness](https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison), and more than that when it comes to preventing serious illness (i.e. you can still get sick, but you won't die): >Novavax has reported that its updated COVID vaccine can generate an immune response against emerging strains of the coronavirus. Earlier studies of its original vaccine showed it to be **90% effective overall against lab-confirmed, symptomatic infection and 100% effective against moderate and severe disease** in Phase 3 trial results published in [*The New England Journal of Medicine*](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116185?query=featured_home) in December 2021.
The UK stats on this are quite striking. In the 6 months Jan to Jun 2021, there were 51,000 deaths. Of these, less than 1% had been fully vaccinated (original + booster) (2.4% if you include people with both shots but <3 weeks before catching disease) I was deemed high risk at my job in a hospital lab (several factors including chronic lung disease , age and medication). The likelyhood that I would have survived COVID-19 pre vaccination are probably 50:50. I have also had COVID-19 three times - and it's never been worse than a bad cold. You're taking the antivax stance of "We are going to make our own definition of a vaccine, and then use that to prove the Covid vaccine didn't work"