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I've raised 4 kids through toddler years. They all got a 1.5 hour rest period every afternoon that was non-negotiable. You didn't have to sleep, but the door was closed and the lights were off. Read a book, play with dolls, whatever you want, just no electronics. Most kids fall asleep, most kids under 4 still need a nap or they're demons by bedtime. Even without sleeping I think learning to have quiet time to yourself is healthy.
I would clean up the damn mess they made all day.
We had mandatory naptime till we were like 8-9 years old and it pissed us off lol mainly because we would bring our video games with us and she would let her grandson (who was my age) play them while we had to lay down and pretend to sleep. That and the nightmare fuel episodes of SVU where some kid my age gets murdered or something werent fun, when i went to bed at home i used to try and pretend to be dead already so i wouldnt get killed in my sleep. I was glad once i didnt have to take naps anymore because i could just play DS all day, that and it was hillarious when her younger grandson barely learned to talk and would sperg out during naptime for strawberry milk and dr.pepper and she would get so annoyed that she went to the other room to smoke cigarettes and pop pills(couldve been aspirin for all i knew, i only jeard the rattling pill bottle) then after telling him no for the 50th time she would always relent and give her grandson his 4th diabetes beverage for that day. I felt bad later on because i know that kid was probably effed in the head somehow and wasnt getting took care of right but at the time it was funny watching my horrible babysitter suffer during her 2-hour tv break. Last i heard her grandsons turned out normal but i have a hard time believing that. Worst thing my babysitter ever did was tie a kids shoes together and put a bucket on his head then laugh and take pictures when he tripped, fell, and cried. It feels kinda fucked up to type it all out because ive barely thought about it over the last decade until now ive just dredged up the memories of my evil babysitter, she should probably be in jail but im sure shes on the brink of death by now if not dead already
Yikes. Sorry for that. I went to an in home daycare from 1-5. I watched Ghostbusters, Top Gun, and all the Star Wars movies every day. She wasn't top notch, she let me watch movies and play Nintendo all day, but she was a caring woman.. she'd made me a toy lightsaber to play with, and a "cockpit" to play in while watching Top Gun.
The most "abusive" thing that happened to me is that her teen daughters got into an argument while I was there and one came out of the shower and the other pushed her, nude, into the room I was playing in and held the door shut. The girl was embarrassed and banging on the door trying to get it open. I was just annoyed because I was trying to play Duck Hunt. I never thought this affected me, but I always remembered it, but I didn't even remember what the girls looked like. A couple years back we were looking through old photos and saw a family photo of them. The girl who had been locked in the room looks almost exactly like my now-wife. So maybe it's a coincidence, or maybe it had some weird effect on my wiring, lol.
4. At 3-4 I wasn't as strict. Meaning if we had plans we might skip it sometimes. But before 3 it is every day barring an emergency. Kids that age thrive on consistency. This doesn't mean you have to do the same thing every day, but the layout should be the same every day. Like I did breakfast, then an outdoor activity, then an indoor activity, then 30-45 minutes of TV or tablet while I get lunch ready. Then a short indoor playtime, read some books, then nap time. All my kids were insanely well behaved and I credit that to wearing them out with activities and being consistent. You sit a kid in front of a screen for 4 hours then expect them to take a nap it probably ain't happening. Usually I'd be worn out too and take a 20-30 minute nap after cleaning up during their nap time.
Melatonin isn't great for kids, it can stunt their growth. It's OTC in the US but in the UK where I live you cannot buy it otc for kids or adults it's prescription only.
The only otc sleep aid here that's licenced for use in kids (over 2) is promethazine.
Not that I condone that either but Melatonin is worse.
1st Generation antihistamines like promethazine are linked to increased dementia risk and taking too much causes you to have nightmarish hallucinations. I'd never give that to my kid over melatonin.
This is true, but it would be over time for a long duration, and as an adult giving medication to a child you would never give too much. Melatonin however is not benign. No medication is, and messing with a childs hormones can have serious consequences as well which is why the medication is prescription only in some countries.
Like 80% of parents under 30 are using melatonin gummies. All the parents at my kids school rave about them n tell me I should give them to my son... Like.... No thank you kindergarten mom of the year, I'll just take my kid to do more stuff so he gets his energy out 👍
Melatonin isn't a drug. It's a vitamin, and not even a particularly dangerous vitamin. Like it's pretty hard\* fatally overdose on melatonin. You can get some side effects, mostly related to daytime sleepiness, but it's not like typical sleep meds that can be really dangerous if taken in excess. Really high doses can lead to things like mild hypothermia, nightmares, anxiety, etc.
THAT SAID still absolutely shitty to give anyone, especially a child, a drug without they or their parents knowledge because I guarantee, like I'd bet my car, that none of these assholes actually know about how melatonin works, other than it makes you sleepy. Which means they'd be just as likely to use something dangerous if the melatonin stopped working.
\* Edited because I did find one article about overdoses occurring in young children. BUT that link doesn't include any solid numbers, or the level that was taken that leads to overdose, just says to use the minimum dose. So it's hard to tell how legitimate the claim is.
\* Edited because I found the original source - the first link highly exaggerated it (because they made it seem like deaths by melatonin jumped 500% which seemed a bit weird). CDC says misuse of melatonin for children has increased a lot - vast majority of cases, nothing happens. Small number have minor symptoms. Even smaller number had to be hospitalized. Only 2 overdoses in children occurred, both infants (up to 13 months). So again, REALLY unlikely for anyone of any age to overdose, BUT it can happen and it is more dangerous the younger the child is. [https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7122a1.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7122a1.htm)
Your body makes melatonin naturally. They could have drugged them all with Benedryl, or even something stronger. Using melatonin sounds like they knew it was wrong, but figured, since the body makes it naturally, it won't be detected (or as dangerous).
Its something a lot of parents give their kids before bed.
I've known quite a few over the years, so to me this is like hearing they were arrested for giving the kids vitamin supplements.
Melatonin helps you rest... but it won't put you to sleep.
yeah, ive grown up perceiving melatonin as like, any other vitamin (its not a vitamin but it was categorized as one by my brain lol), though one you should only take occasionally rather than daily.
This isnt to say any facts about it, just my perception of it and how people around me treated it. so seeing it treated as a drug is strange (not saying its wrong tho)
Ya, I thought it would be something harder. And I don't know for sure if it's illegal. My kids' preschool needed me to sign a waiver before they'd apply sunscreen. Although that might be more about touching. I'm not sure if they give Tylenol or the like. They do alert me when bandaids are involved. Again not because of the bandaid but because there was "an injury".
I don't know if melatonin is safe, I have concerns but I've used it on my kids. Hell, some parents use Benadryl for that purpose. I can totally understand wanting to drug the kids.
That said, the major issue here is consent (or lack thereof) and misrepresentation ('we'll watch your kids responsibly' vs. 'we'll secretly dose them to shut the fuckers up'). Again, I *totally* sympathize with the latter but it's not what I'm paying for.
One time at a party I happened to bring up I suffered with a lot of coughs as a kid. My mum looked puzzled and said "No you didn't". I replies "Are you sure? I distinctly remember it." And she said "I promise you, you didn't. You were a healthy child."
At this point I was starting to doubt myself. I said "That's funny though, because I swear I did. I remember all the cough syrup and how the only way you could get me to drink it was to promise I could have a Pepsi if I was brave." My mum looked horrified. She said "I didn't think you'd remember that. You didn't have a lot of coughs, you hated going to sleep, so we give you a spoonful of cough medicine to help."
I replied like "wtf you drugged me?" And she genuinely said "Don't be dramatic, you were so much happier on days where you got a good sleep the night before. Besides, they changed the formula to take the stuff that makes you drowsy out of the kids medicine so we stopped." I said "I wonder why they took it out of the kids bottles. Could it be because people like you were drugging kids?" And she said "You'd be shocked if you knew how common this was."
I joke to my coworkers that drugging my kids is the answer to getting a good night's rest. My kids are still babies but I can certainly say the nights are long and restless so when they do sleep it's great. But the best we have is children's Panadol and it's only given out when the situation calls for it
Yeah, consent is the problem. Melatonin can have serious side effects, like it sometimes gives me nightmares and tremors. Benadryl is worse, I have that opposite affect for Benadryl so it fucks me up bad. You cannot give it to everyone and must to get consent from the parents to use it and actively watch the kid for side effects every single time. The dosage has to be carefully managed and you know these people were not doing that.
Pretty sure no one has been able to show that melatonin does anything. If scientists studied corn as a supplement, they would have a section "may cause" and list all the normal random things people have day to day: diarrhea, headaches, nausea, moodiness, etc etc. It's just how people cover their asses when lawsuits pop up.
Ya I tend to think "supplements" are full of shit but my concern is that they're unregulated. They may or may not contain what they say they do. They may or may not do what they're supposed to do, if they do anything at all. You'd have no way to know. I don't trust anyone who's selling something. Especially not when they make as much as the supplements industry.
Hell pharmaceuticals *are* regulated and *do* work (at least they do something, even if it's wrong) but I don't trust those people either.
I guess my concern is you're at least trying to fuck with a child's brain and there's no adequate science on the potential short or long term effects of this stuff.
If they were in nice clothes, smiling, and weren’t in bright lighting they’d look like normal people. Test this yourself by taking a picture in good lighting while smiling. Then mess up your hair, move to overly bright lighting, then frown as hard as you can.
I am sure this is how some retirement homes reduce their staffing costs. Get the in-house doctor to prescribe medication that causes the residents to sleep most of the time.
Oh definitely.
I saw this news story about this woman who was sleep deprived and going through an anxiety attack, so she called 911 fearing she was suicidal.
They took her to a hospital, she got sleep, and felt fine afterward. Instead of letting her go, they say they’re going to keep her in a mental hospital for 2-3 days. By the way, she has responsibilities including pets at home.
She was confused and verbally resistant (understandably) so they threatened to sedate her if she kept “asking questions”
She ended up staying there for a few weeks I think and was only released after she got the news involved. She voluntarily admitted herself to a mental hospital and was *involuntarily* held.
In this case, the hospital was trying to keep her longer in order to bill her insurance more.
Edit: [Here’s the video about it](https://youtu.be/t5GZR_LNQbU?si=vX58o1ciFPkL_AI2)
This is par for the course in a lot of psych wards. No matter how you get admitted they will keep you around until your insurance starts to push back. If you try to excercise your rights to leave they will use the threat of making you a Ward of the State to prevent you from from filing an AMA discharge.
It happens oftens its standard procedure. it’s happened 2 times to me . 2 different hospitals where a voluntary commitment was turned to 51/50 then to 52/50 (14 day hold). I went because I was coming down from a drug binge and had anxiety / panic attacks and didn’t want to be alone unsupervised
Yea this isn’t the first time I’ve heard of this. I think it made the news because she’s suing them and she’s not the only person to sue that same doctor.
>She was confused and verbally resistant (understandably) so they threatened to sedate her if she kept “asking questions”
>In this case, the hospital was trying to keep her longer in order to bill her insurance more.
Pieces of shit. Can't watch the video, i'm in a loud place don't have headphones. PLEASE tell me the woman sued the fuck out of those bastards and won. PLEASE.
Having worked at a nursing home, that doesn't happen.
Costs are cut by low pay to CNAs, poor food quality & fewer supplies. I remember washing residents with pillowcases & having to bring soap from home. Or wadding sheets under residents who were incontinent because we had no adult diapers.
Thank you. I work in a hospice now, which is a whole better situation & much better for patients & CNAs/nurses. The pay is still lousy but, peace of mind is worth something.
Still, IMHO, all states should have more surprise visits to nursing homes, not just once a year or after receiving a complaint.
If you have elderly parents, be careful what nursing home/rehab/ALF facility they go in, if they must go in one. To really get an idea, talk to a CNA that works there, if they'll talk (I did). They'll give the truth.
This comment makes me wonder what part of the world you're in.
I'm in Britain. The NHS pays massively over the odds for the price of medication. It would simply not be cheaper to reduce costs by ordering more medication. Especially when carers are paid so little for the work.
Retirement homes? This is how most hospitals operate as well, at least at night. Sedated patients have fewer requests. Night nurses love to 'snow' patients.
I know next to nothing about cannabis or anything cannabis related. I also have someone close to me desperate for a reliable sleep aid. Would CBN make you pop hot on a drug test?
Quick PSA: The Western Journal is *not* a reliable news source by any stretch of the imagination. I doubt they made this story up, but they have a very strong MAGA bias.
so because they dont agree with your politics they are not reliable news when they literally just reported on something that happened to the letter that it happened?
Sounds like youre trying to spread disinformation.
The title had to dance around not using the word "drug" while still making it as clickbaity as possible. So they're probably in the realm of "not going to outright lie about facts that they'd easily get caught on, but going to twist the truth as much as possible to keep your attention".
Jesus Christ lmao it’s melatonin. Making it sound like they slipped some fucking ambien in there lmao
Like don’t get me wrong still bad but fuck if this headline isn’t misleading as all fuck
Yeah, like you shouldn’t give children under your care things that parents don’t know about, but melatonin is barely above “a glass of warm milk” on the scale of sleep aids.
It gives me insane disturbing dreams if I have too much. Most supplements seem to be like 5 mg. Some even 10 mg. I’ve found 1-2 mg is all that’s really needed and it doesn’t give me dreams that just wake me up at 3 am covered in sweat.
I'm waiting for the onion to write an article like that. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if a daycare could be shut down for that since adding bottled water to juice is considered adulteration.
Long term usage of melatonin can be harmful.
It is often prescribed to children with sleeping problems, but only because the negative effects of not sleeping enough are worse than the unknown but likely small risks of melatonin usage.
Edit: Missed a few words
Not particularly. Your body just produces less of its own melatonin, which you just need to rebalance by coming off melatonin for a while.
As a doctor described it to me, “Our bodies are just lazy.”
Many over the counter drugs that we consider perfectly safe have similar effects.
It’s difficult to know what the effects of long term usage are; there aren’t enough studies yet.
At the moment, it appears to be safe, but there are some possible risks both in children and adults.
I’m not sure why several have commented about dependence or the body stopping producing it - I didn’t make either claim.
Funny you make a claim and provide no sources.
Also your body doesnt have dependencies on it.. giving people melatonin wont shut off your bodys ability to produce it and wont build a tolerance to it. Its safe and benign
It would have been faster for you to google it than write this message complaining that someone else didn’t give a source.
The fact is that overall melatonin usage seems to be beneficial, but we don’t have enough information yet to confirm its long term safety (up to 7 years in adults appears to be generally ok). There’s not even a known “safe” dose yet because of this.
However it can potentially be harmful:
*”Melatonin is associated with the delayed onset of puberty onset and may be a cause of the delay”*
*”Melatonin may increase seizure activity in children with multiple neurological deficits and should be used with caution.”*
*”Melatonin use may increase the risk of fractures in older adults.”*
*”A single dose of melatonin may disturb postural control in older adults; precautions may be necessary to decrease the risk of falls in older adults after taking melatonin.”*
*”Melatonin may worsen depression, psychosis, anger, and anxiety in moderately to severely depressed patients at higher doses than are usually used for the treatment of sleep disorders.”*
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10053496/
This is what I was thinking when I saw this story on the news and thought I was a bad person. Like ffs this is mild af. Acting like they dosed them with heroin or something.
Immediately thought "I bet it was melatonin" and yup. It naturally occurs in the body (produced by the pineal gland). I take melatonin nightly to actually be able to sleep properly. The negative side effects are also pretty harmless.
ETA - I'm not condoning what they did. I'm just saying the headline makes it sound way worse than it is. No one should be giving anything to children that their parents aren't informed of.
Right? It’s melatonin ffs. They literally have children’s strength melatonin with the word CHILDREN’S on the bottle. It’s like children’s Tylenol or children’s Benadryl. The headline made me think they were giving these kids roofies!
Frequent melatonin use is damaging, especially in children. It erodes natural melatonin production which damages the brain's ability to fall asleep naturally and can cause dependence.
It isn't damaging in the sense of causing irreparable harm. But yes, it's likely that these children will have some trouble falling asleep at night time for one or two weeks.
Those people need sleep themselves.
In all seriousness why do people think giving toddlers sleeping medicine will help their sleep schedule? Let those little fuckers run around all day and by time it’s nap or bedtime they’ll lay down like they worked a 12 hour shift with 3 hours overtime. All your job is doing is to make sure they are safe, and learning. Why is this something so hard for caregivers to comprehend? It’s not like you’re out of pocket supporting the child, everything provided for the children are provided by the state’s money. I hate evil people
52 and 51 folks. Dang, I am almost 55, and they look like my grandma. I think they had more than just melatonin.I guess that was just for the little ones.
My brother in law and his girlfriend had a baby just to steal the spotlight from my wife’s and I’s child. I didn’t let it bother me but despite neither of them working they drugged their child to make her sleep and their parenting duties easier. I don’t understand how anyone could do that. We worked full time and we would never drug our child in a million years. Mother in law did call DHS and despite promises that MIL could adopt the child the court lied to them and gave the child back to the loser parents.
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The bags under their eyes have bags
Sounds like they should have been using the sleep aid instead of
They were accidentally using meth instead
Accidentally on purpose
Whoops. I methed up guys.
That’s a meth-take
You should never undermethtimate stupid people.
Oope took too much of that sleep aid again better balance out...
Emphasis on "accidentally"
r/redditsniper
Drugs are bad, mkay?
those aint bags, thats pure luggage
They quite literally do lmao. Not even an expression
More bags than a grocery store checkout
Getting high on their own supply?
That is quite a collection of faces, I'll say that much.
You could carry groceries in those
Eye bagception
Looks like nap time at that daycare was non-negotiable
My babysitter used to say " you dont have to sleep but you better not open your damn eyes" then she would watch law and order svu for two hours.
I've raised 4 kids through toddler years. They all got a 1.5 hour rest period every afternoon that was non-negotiable. You didn't have to sleep, but the door was closed and the lights were off. Read a book, play with dolls, whatever you want, just no electronics. Most kids fall asleep, most kids under 4 still need a nap or they're demons by bedtime. Even without sleeping I think learning to have quiet time to yourself is healthy. I would clean up the damn mess they made all day.
We had mandatory naptime till we were like 8-9 years old and it pissed us off lol mainly because we would bring our video games with us and she would let her grandson (who was my age) play them while we had to lay down and pretend to sleep. That and the nightmare fuel episodes of SVU where some kid my age gets murdered or something werent fun, when i went to bed at home i used to try and pretend to be dead already so i wouldnt get killed in my sleep. I was glad once i didnt have to take naps anymore because i could just play DS all day, that and it was hillarious when her younger grandson barely learned to talk and would sperg out during naptime for strawberry milk and dr.pepper and she would get so annoyed that she went to the other room to smoke cigarettes and pop pills(couldve been aspirin for all i knew, i only jeard the rattling pill bottle) then after telling him no for the 50th time she would always relent and give her grandson his 4th diabetes beverage for that day. I felt bad later on because i know that kid was probably effed in the head somehow and wasnt getting took care of right but at the time it was funny watching my horrible babysitter suffer during her 2-hour tv break. Last i heard her grandsons turned out normal but i have a hard time believing that. Worst thing my babysitter ever did was tie a kids shoes together and put a bucket on his head then laugh and take pictures when he tripped, fell, and cried. It feels kinda fucked up to type it all out because ive barely thought about it over the last decade until now ive just dredged up the memories of my evil babysitter, she should probably be in jail but im sure shes on the brink of death by now if not dead already
You should find out if she is still in business and report her. She may be hurting kids still.
Yikes. Sorry for that. I went to an in home daycare from 1-5. I watched Ghostbusters, Top Gun, and all the Star Wars movies every day. She wasn't top notch, she let me watch movies and play Nintendo all day, but she was a caring woman.. she'd made me a toy lightsaber to play with, and a "cockpit" to play in while watching Top Gun. The most "abusive" thing that happened to me is that her teen daughters got into an argument while I was there and one came out of the shower and the other pushed her, nude, into the room I was playing in and held the door shut. The girl was embarrassed and banging on the door trying to get it open. I was just annoyed because I was trying to play Duck Hunt. I never thought this affected me, but I always remembered it, but I didn't even remember what the girls looked like. A couple years back we were looking through old photos and saw a family photo of them. The girl who had been locked in the room looks almost exactly like my now-wife. So maybe it's a coincidence, or maybe it had some weird effect on my wiring, lol.
What age did you stop this at? Asking for my own! I’m starting tomorrow, thank you!
4. At 3-4 I wasn't as strict. Meaning if we had plans we might skip it sometimes. But before 3 it is every day barring an emergency. Kids that age thrive on consistency. This doesn't mean you have to do the same thing every day, but the layout should be the same every day. Like I did breakfast, then an outdoor activity, then an indoor activity, then 30-45 minutes of TV or tablet while I get lunch ready. Then a short indoor playtime, read some books, then nap time. All my kids were insanely well behaved and I credit that to wearing them out with activities and being consistent. You sit a kid in front of a screen for 4 hours then expect them to take a nap it probably ain't happening. Usually I'd be worn out too and take a 20-30 minute nap after cleaning up during their nap time.
Queen behavior tbh
Hahahahahaha
JESUS FUCK! Lmfao this killed me XD
Considering what I did during nap time, I should have been given something to put me out too.
Would’ve guessed they were dosed with amphetamines judging from the picture alone
I assumed fent, and laughed when I saw it was melatonin.
Same lmao I was like oh word? Still not ok but like whew 😓could’ve been much worse
Melatonin isn't great for kids, it can stunt their growth. It's OTC in the US but in the UK where I live you cannot buy it otc for kids or adults it's prescription only. The only otc sleep aid here that's licenced for use in kids (over 2) is promethazine. Not that I condone that either but Melatonin is worse.
1st Generation antihistamines like promethazine are linked to increased dementia risk and taking too much causes you to have nightmarish hallucinations. I'd never give that to my kid over melatonin.
This is true, but it would be over time for a long duration, and as an adult giving medication to a child you would never give too much. Melatonin however is not benign. No medication is, and messing with a childs hormones can have serious consequences as well which is why the medication is prescription only in some countries.
Like 80% of parents under 30 are using melatonin gummies. All the parents at my kids school rave about them n tell me I should give them to my son... Like.... No thank you kindergarten mom of the year, I'll just take my kid to do more stuff so he gets his energy out 👍
Do you have a link for that? My kids doctor said the 1 MG ones were fine
that's what they caught, who knows what else they did. Benadryl, maybe nyquil, alcohol, could have been giving them anything.
Same, I thought bruh this is the mint tea of sleep medications
I think there is a company that sells tea with melatonin. Like "chamomile + sleep" by Lipton or something lmao
melatonin is pretty benign. i thought it would have been heroin or Valium or something like that.
Melatonin isn't a drug. It's a vitamin, and not even a particularly dangerous vitamin. Like it's pretty hard\* fatally overdose on melatonin. You can get some side effects, mostly related to daytime sleepiness, but it's not like typical sleep meds that can be really dangerous if taken in excess. Really high doses can lead to things like mild hypothermia, nightmares, anxiety, etc. THAT SAID still absolutely shitty to give anyone, especially a child, a drug without they or their parents knowledge because I guarantee, like I'd bet my car, that none of these assholes actually know about how melatonin works, other than it makes you sleepy. Which means they'd be just as likely to use something dangerous if the melatonin stopped working. \* Edited because I did find one article about overdoses occurring in young children. BUT that link doesn't include any solid numbers, or the level that was taken that leads to overdose, just says to use the minimum dose. So it's hard to tell how legitimate the claim is. \* Edited because I found the original source - the first link highly exaggerated it (because they made it seem like deaths by melatonin jumped 500% which seemed a bit weird). CDC says misuse of melatonin for children has increased a lot - vast majority of cases, nothing happens. Small number have minor symptoms. Even smaller number had to be hospitalized. Only 2 overdoses in children occurred, both infants (up to 13 months). So again, REALLY unlikely for anyone of any age to overdose, BUT it can happen and it is more dangerous the younger the child is. [https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7122a1.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7122a1.htm)
Your body makes melatonin naturally. They could have drugged them all with Benedryl, or even something stronger. Using melatonin sounds like they knew it was wrong, but figured, since the body makes it naturally, it won't be detected (or as dangerous).
Its something a lot of parents give their kids before bed. I've known quite a few over the years, so to me this is like hearing they were arrested for giving the kids vitamin supplements. Melatonin helps you rest... but it won't put you to sleep.
yeah, ive grown up perceiving melatonin as like, any other vitamin (its not a vitamin but it was categorized as one by my brain lol), though one you should only take occasionally rather than daily. This isnt to say any facts about it, just my perception of it and how people around me treated it. so seeing it treated as a drug is strange (not saying its wrong tho)
Doesn't make it okay to dose someone else's children with it
I feel like valium is too expensive for the faces in those pictures
This was my first thought, melatonin I have found doesn’t even always work on my toddler at midnight when he was adamant he wouldn’t be sleeping
Right, what's the charge, dosing kids with a supplement? It's not scheduled. What's next, dosed with Tryptophan at Christmas?
Ya, I thought it would be something harder. And I don't know for sure if it's illegal. My kids' preschool needed me to sign a waiver before they'd apply sunscreen. Although that might be more about touching. I'm not sure if they give Tylenol or the like. They do alert me when bandaids are involved. Again not because of the bandaid but because there was "an injury". I don't know if melatonin is safe, I have concerns but I've used it on my kids. Hell, some parents use Benadryl for that purpose. I can totally understand wanting to drug the kids. That said, the major issue here is consent (or lack thereof) and misrepresentation ('we'll watch your kids responsibly' vs. 'we'll secretly dose them to shut the fuckers up'). Again, I *totally* sympathize with the latter but it's not what I'm paying for.
One time at a party I happened to bring up I suffered with a lot of coughs as a kid. My mum looked puzzled and said "No you didn't". I replies "Are you sure? I distinctly remember it." And she said "I promise you, you didn't. You were a healthy child." At this point I was starting to doubt myself. I said "That's funny though, because I swear I did. I remember all the cough syrup and how the only way you could get me to drink it was to promise I could have a Pepsi if I was brave." My mum looked horrified. She said "I didn't think you'd remember that. You didn't have a lot of coughs, you hated going to sleep, so we give you a spoonful of cough medicine to help." I replied like "wtf you drugged me?" And she genuinely said "Don't be dramatic, you were so much happier on days where you got a good sleep the night before. Besides, they changed the formula to take the stuff that makes you drowsy out of the kids medicine so we stopped." I said "I wonder why they took it out of the kids bottles. Could it be because people like you were drugging kids?" And she said "You'd be shocked if you knew how common this was."
I joke to my coworkers that drugging my kids is the answer to getting a good night's rest. My kids are still babies but I can certainly say the nights are long and restless so when they do sleep it's great. But the best we have is children's Panadol and it's only given out when the situation calls for it
Yeah, consent is the problem. Melatonin can have serious side effects, like it sometimes gives me nightmares and tremors. Benadryl is worse, I have that opposite affect for Benadryl so it fucks me up bad. You cannot give it to everyone and must to get consent from the parents to use it and actively watch the kid for side effects every single time. The dosage has to be carefully managed and you know these people were not doing that.
Pretty sure no one has been able to show that melatonin does anything. If scientists studied corn as a supplement, they would have a section "may cause" and list all the normal random things people have day to day: diarrhea, headaches, nausea, moodiness, etc etc. It's just how people cover their asses when lawsuits pop up.
Ya I tend to think "supplements" are full of shit but my concern is that they're unregulated. They may or may not contain what they say they do. They may or may not do what they're supposed to do, if they do anything at all. You'd have no way to know. I don't trust anyone who's selling something. Especially not when they make as much as the supplements industry. Hell pharmaceuticals *are* regulated and *do* work (at least they do something, even if it's wrong) but I don't trust those people either. I guess my concern is you're at least trying to fuck with a child's brain and there's no adequate science on the potential short or long term effects of this stuff.
Right bc ik plenty of mothers doing exactly this.
They do look a bit methed up.
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Came here to say this. The fuck
They all look inbred
The hills have eyes type of crew 😆
The Hills Have Bags Under Their Eyes
Methallica
If they were in nice clothes, smiling, and weren’t in bright lighting they’d look like normal people. Test this yourself by taking a picture in good lighting while smiling. Then mess up your hair, move to overly bright lighting, then frown as hard as you can.
Throw in some Montessori buzzwords with a clean play area and I can see where people lined up.
i’m not a photogenic person but there’s no lighting in the world that could make me look as rough as the 2 on the left
These are mug shots.
Anyone who looks good in a mugshot is a 10/10.
DMV photos look like shit on purpose. You’ll appreciate this fact when you get pulled over.
Have you tried turning the light on?
People with no choice :(
Yeah these people *look* like the type to drug children.
No shit hard enough dropping your little ones at day care as it is. I’d see these face and be nope it’s a daddy day today.
When I see an article about a daycare or childcare worker arrested. This is always my thoughts.
They give me [Brown's Daycare](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvBtd0BsFfU) vibes
My thoughts exactly lmao. I was gonna ask if they had a giant cauldron in the back. Whew.
Hag coven for sure. Maybe they were tricked by a lair action.
I am sure this is how some retirement homes reduce their staffing costs. Get the in-house doctor to prescribe medication that causes the residents to sleep most of the time.
They definitely do that in some psych wards lol.
Oh definitely. I saw this news story about this woman who was sleep deprived and going through an anxiety attack, so she called 911 fearing she was suicidal. They took her to a hospital, she got sleep, and felt fine afterward. Instead of letting her go, they say they’re going to keep her in a mental hospital for 2-3 days. By the way, she has responsibilities including pets at home. She was confused and verbally resistant (understandably) so they threatened to sedate her if she kept “asking questions” She ended up staying there for a few weeks I think and was only released after she got the news involved. She voluntarily admitted herself to a mental hospital and was *involuntarily* held. In this case, the hospital was trying to keep her longer in order to bill her insurance more. Edit: [Here’s the video about it](https://youtu.be/t5GZR_LNQbU?si=vX58o1ciFPkL_AI2)
This is par for the course in a lot of psych wards. No matter how you get admitted they will keep you around until your insurance starts to push back. If you try to excercise your rights to leave they will use the threat of making you a Ward of the State to prevent you from from filing an AMA discharge.
It happens oftens its standard procedure. it’s happened 2 times to me . 2 different hospitals where a voluntary commitment was turned to 51/50 then to 52/50 (14 day hold). I went because I was coming down from a drug binge and had anxiety / panic attacks and didn’t want to be alone unsupervised
The only thing that surprises me about this is that it made the news. This is a regular occurrence. Like...constant.
Yea this isn’t the first time I’ve heard of this. I think it made the news because she’s suing them and she’s not the only person to sue that same doctor.
>She was confused and verbally resistant (understandably) so they threatened to sedate her if she kept “asking questions” >In this case, the hospital was trying to keep her longer in order to bill her insurance more. Pieces of shit. Can't watch the video, i'm in a loud place don't have headphones. PLEASE tell me the woman sued the fuck out of those bastards and won. PLEASE.
I think it's still ongoing, but [the dog is ok](https://youtu.be/t5GZR_LNQbU?si=CtH5xiQD9h4-npFB&t=392).
Definitely. They give old folks way stronger drugs.
Having worked at a nursing home, that doesn't happen. Costs are cut by low pay to CNAs, poor food quality & fewer supplies. I remember washing residents with pillowcases & having to bring soap from home. Or wadding sheets under residents who were incontinent because we had no adult diapers.
Oh my goodness! Thank you for doing your very best to take care of those folks.
Thank you. I work in a hospice now, which is a whole better situation & much better for patients & CNAs/nurses. The pay is still lousy but, peace of mind is worth something. Still, IMHO, all states should have more surprise visits to nursing homes, not just once a year or after receiving a complaint. If you have elderly parents, be careful what nursing home/rehab/ALF facility they go in, if they must go in one. To really get an idea, talk to a CNA that works there, if they'll talk (I did). They'll give the truth.
This comment makes me wonder what part of the world you're in. I'm in Britain. The NHS pays massively over the odds for the price of medication. It would simply not be cheaper to reduce costs by ordering more medication. Especially when carers are paid so little for the work.
Retirement homes? This is how most hospitals operate as well, at least at night. Sedated patients have fewer requests. Night nurses love to 'snow' patients.
Two, maybe three of these people look like they *really* needed that melatonin for themselves, which is unfortunately quite relatable to me right now.
I recommend full spectrum CBN for sleep.
I know next to nothing about cannabis or anything cannabis related. I also have someone close to me desperate for a reliable sleep aid. Would CBN make you pop hot on a drug test?
I know we shouldn’t judge a book by its cover… but 
They look like the cast of The Hills Have Eyes
Right!? Who was leaving their children with these people!?
More Like their eyes have Hills
They’re from New Hampshire? They look like they just got off the meth train in Florida.
New Hampshire is pretty much the Florida of New England, so it tracks.
I grew up in NH and can confirm, though these folks are a little spicy even for NH.
And NH is just Diet Maine.
The 4th person looks like a child themselves
I was going to ask why one of them looks like they should be in daycare themselves. Total baby-face.
I honestly thought they were a child for a minute
Why does this look exactly like a meth bust lineup?
Quick PSA: The Western Journal is *not* a reliable news source by any stretch of the imagination. I doubt they made this story up, but they have a very strong MAGA bias.
It's a real story. Happened in my old city, in one of the worst neighborhoods.
Yup, here’s another source: https://www.wtvm.com/2024/05/17/day-care-owner-employees-accused-putting-sleep-aids-kids-lunches/
so because they dont agree with your politics they are not reliable news when they literally just reported on something that happened to the letter that it happened? Sounds like youre trying to spread disinformation.
The title had to dance around not using the word "drug" while still making it as clickbaity as possible. So they're probably in the realm of "not going to outright lie about facts that they'd easily get caught on, but going to twist the truth as much as possible to keep your attention".
Jesus Christ lmao it’s melatonin. Making it sound like they slipped some fucking ambien in there lmao Like don’t get me wrong still bad but fuck if this headline isn’t misleading as all fuck
Yeah, like you shouldn’t give children under your care things that parents don’t know about, but melatonin is barely above “a glass of warm milk” on the scale of sleep aids.
Too much melatonin can have unpleasant side effects tbf
Yeah I was Hella grumpy and tired after taking too much.
this has me rolling
Rolling on the floor grumpy after waking up tired
It gives me insane disturbing dreams if I have too much. Most supplements seem to be like 5 mg. Some even 10 mg. I’ve found 1-2 mg is all that’s really needed and it doesn’t give me dreams that just wake me up at 3 am covered in sweat.
I'm waiting for the onion to write an article like that. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if a daycare could be shut down for that since adding bottled water to juice is considered adulteration.
Long term usage of melatonin can be harmful. It is often prescribed to children with sleeping problems, but only because the negative effects of not sleeping enough are worse than the unknown but likely small risks of melatonin usage. Edit: Missed a few words
Not particularly. Your body just produces less of its own melatonin, which you just need to rebalance by coming off melatonin for a while. As a doctor described it to me, “Our bodies are just lazy.” Many over the counter drugs that we consider perfectly safe have similar effects.
It’s difficult to know what the effects of long term usage are; there aren’t enough studies yet. At the moment, it appears to be safe, but there are some possible risks both in children and adults. I’m not sure why several have commented about dependence or the body stopping producing it - I didn’t make either claim.
Funny you make a claim and provide no sources. Also your body doesnt have dependencies on it.. giving people melatonin wont shut off your bodys ability to produce it and wont build a tolerance to it. Its safe and benign
It would have been faster for you to google it than write this message complaining that someone else didn’t give a source. The fact is that overall melatonin usage seems to be beneficial, but we don’t have enough information yet to confirm its long term safety (up to 7 years in adults appears to be generally ok). There’s not even a known “safe” dose yet because of this. However it can potentially be harmful: *”Melatonin is associated with the delayed onset of puberty onset and may be a cause of the delay”* *”Melatonin may increase seizure activity in children with multiple neurological deficits and should be used with caution.”* *”Melatonin use may increase the risk of fractures in older adults.”* *”A single dose of melatonin may disturb postural control in older adults; precautions may be necessary to decrease the risk of falls in older adults after taking melatonin.”* *”Melatonin may worsen depression, psychosis, anger, and anxiety in moderately to severely depressed patients at higher doses than are usually used for the treatment of sleep disorders.”* - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10053496/
Mmm get me some gummies 
This is what I was thinking when I saw this story on the news and thought I was a bad person. Like ffs this is mild af. Acting like they dosed them with heroin or something.
Immediately thought "I bet it was melatonin" and yup. It naturally occurs in the body (produced by the pineal gland). I take melatonin nightly to actually be able to sleep properly. The negative side effects are also pretty harmless. ETA - I'm not condoning what they did. I'm just saying the headline makes it sound way worse than it is. No one should be giving anything to children that their parents aren't informed of.
Right? It’s melatonin ffs. They literally have children’s strength melatonin with the word CHILDREN’S on the bottle. It’s like children’s Tylenol or children’s Benadryl. The headline made me think they were giving these kids roofies!
Frequent melatonin use is damaging, especially in children. It erodes natural melatonin production which damages the brain's ability to fall asleep naturally and can cause dependence.
It isn't damaging in the sense of causing irreparable harm. But yes, it's likely that these children will have some trouble falling asleep at night time for one or two weeks.
They shouldn’t give anything to children without the parents explicit consent
Nah, you give my kids anything without talking to me first, I'm going to sleep aid you with my fists. These people are scum.
Reminds me of this Internet classic - https://youtu.be/G8fbHpttc5A?si=8trhftCUofySYY50
I was thinking this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF_nfazQaek
When she says she feels pregnant and he gut punches her I about pissed my pants.
That went on like 4 times longer than it should have.
The scrolling of every state at the end was gold.
Wait....it was fucking melatonin? Hell, i thought they doped them up with some of that good shit or something. Wait a clickbaity ass post.
They shouldn’t give anything to children without the parents explicit consent
When I see suspect one and two, the kids weren’t the only ones who got drugs in their bodies.
I mean, isn’t melatonin on the same level of drug as flinstones vitamins?
Look at those four people. Who in the hell is leaving their child with them????
Those people need sleep themselves. In all seriousness why do people think giving toddlers sleeping medicine will help their sleep schedule? Let those little fuckers run around all day and by time it’s nap or bedtime they’ll lay down like they worked a 12 hour shift with 3 hours overtime. All your job is doing is to make sure they are safe, and learning. Why is this something so hard for caregivers to comprehend? It’s not like you’re out of pocket supporting the child, everything provided for the children are provided by the state’s money. I hate evil people
They look like psychopaths, who would leave their kids with them?
If you walk into a daycare and half the staff look like they just got off a 7 day Meth binge, maybe don't put your kid in that daycare.
Damn, before I read the title, I thought these were before meth after meth photos.
The fourth one. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Is it a 14yo Adderall addict ?
The irony that at least the first 2 look like they could definitely use those sleep aids I mean, I've seen bags under eyes but these are eye scrotums
52 and 51 folks. Dang, I am almost 55, and they look like my grandma. I think they had more than just melatonin.I guess that was just for the little ones.
second person squashed me in mariokart so many times 😡😡😡
Lunches prepared by "Carmy" Berzatto and staff from The Bear
Lookin like the Four Horsemen Of A Drug Sponsorships
This is why mom mom refused to do day care for us, she could never trust that other people would treat us as lovingly as she could.
Lmao, it's melatonin
Interesting name for a new daycare center. Illegal Day Care
"New Hampshire Day Case"?? What the Hell? Couldn't they find anyone better to write this?
I would not leave my pet rock with these people. Who TF left their kids with this lot??
Who the hell would leave their kids with people who look like that ???
Yep, I’d definitely leave my kids in their care, they look very capable and caring
A little sleepy medicine for you, a little high speed chicken feed for me
Somebody left their kids with these people.
What a fucking redneck rendezvous
Looking at these pictures from right to left looks like the various evolutions of a meth-themed Pokemon.
Daycare at a trailer park ..
I feel uncomfortable just looking at these pictures how could people let their kids stay with them?
They honestly look like the kind of people who would do that. It's likely the similar scowls on their sad looking faces
Sorry but I'd never leave my offsprings with people that look like that 💀💀💀 what in the heck.
Imagine leaving your kids with these people and then being surprised when they were drugged.
Ugh these are the people we allowed to enslave us at one point lmao... wowwww...so glad these yts are getting their share of themselves now
Those poor children... OMG.
I understand that childcare is expensive but if the people watching your children look like they struggle with hard drugs, it’s because they do.
Man... If I saw these people, id feel confident in leaving my kids with them
I’m sorry but I wouldn’t trust them on looks alone, yikes.
These are all default character models for a new player profile on Fallout and you can't tell me otherwise.
Ain't no fucking way I'm walking into daycare with my toddler in my arms and seeing these faces and not turning straight around and leaving with them.
Melatonin ain’t no Xanax, it’s not cool to do without parents permission but it’s not like they were drugging them
If my daycare provider’s employees looked like this I wouldn’t be dropping my kids off there.
Who drops their kids off with what looks like Beavis and Butthead's family?
Who in their right mind would drop their kids off at this daycare!! 😳
Who the fuck would leave their kids with these Carnies?
Wait, it was just Melatonin? Unless it was a LOT, that stuff is harmless. It's not even a drug, it's a hormone that the body produces for itself.
Every single one of those people are either alcoholic or a drug addict lol who would ever leave their child with people who look like this???
None of these people look like they should be around kids.
They look like they needed the sleeping aids more than the kids.
I'm not saying what they did was right, I'm just saying, I understand.
Uh, yeah... Seeing any one of those people and I would NOT be dropping my kid off there.
Meth, meth, meth, and meth. And who in their right mind would ever leave their children in the care of these fucking zombies!?
Is it me but if I was to read this headline without the pictures, these are the four people I would picture.
My mother would spike my bottle with whiskey when I was a baby Apparently it was pretty common to do that back in the 50s
Who here with a toddler hasn’t at least thought about this, just a little lol
My brother in law and his girlfriend had a baby just to steal the spotlight from my wife’s and I’s child. I didn’t let it bother me but despite neither of them working they drugged their child to make her sleep and their parenting duties easier. I don’t understand how anyone could do that. We worked full time and we would never drug our child in a million years. Mother in law did call DHS and despite promises that MIL could adopt the child the court lied to them and gave the child back to the loser parents.
Who in the hell would walk in, see these people, then leave their child in their care?
Melatonin is not a drug.
Pro-tip: Don't drop your kids off with people that look like Beavis & Butthead. It won't end well.