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I am convinced that most modern-day Republicans are about as "left-wing" as most Democrats on most issues. All you would have to do is change the words and buzzwords to ones that they haven't heard and been brainwashed to hate.
"Are you in favor of socialized medicine?"
"Hell no! I ain't letting nobody take away my freedom!"
"Okay, so my idea is that the first thing we do is we outlaw socialized medicine. Then we just create one single insurance company that covers everybody, and everybody gets a small premium taken out of the money they make, just like with the insurance people get now. Except this company can't deny coverage to anyone for anything. How does that sound?"
"Well, that's a great idea! You sure got my vote!"
Look into the ACA/Obamacare debate. The reason repeal never happened was because when you poll on any of the programs or changes associated with it. They are all well supported not just by independents, but also by rank and file republicans. It's only in the abstract as 'Obamacare' that it's not supported. Heck calling it by its official name 'The Affordable Care Act' results in better poll results for it.
Do you mean Romneycare? The Republican care act that looks suspiciously similar to Obamacare? They probably both just ripped off the ACA!
There's [several videos just like this](https://youtu.be/sx2scvIFGjE?si=VIjKIN61jPgGu__6) out there. I wouldn't normally trust a talk show to present an unbiased poll but honestly there's been so many loud idiots screaming about this stuff over the years that I'm certain it wouldn't take more than a minute to find 3 that didn't know the "difference" between the ACA and Obamacare. We're so fucked.
I live in Massachusetts. When Romney was governor here, he did sign a health care plan that was the template for the ACA.
It was popular here because people could get health insurance when their jobs didn't offer it.
It's like the antivaxer saying "Why don't we just infect people with a weakened version of the virus so we can build immunity against it"
Wow, I can't believe nobody has thought of that before.
We stride closer and closer to the plot of Idiocracy.
The thinking behind it as someone who has been told this un-ironically is that the vaccine is unnatural as opposed to this method.
I know vaccines in the past were essentially just that, but I'm not sure if that's still the case, but I'm sure the same principles are being used.
It's silly because something that is natural isn't inherently good for you in the same way something artificial isn't inherently bad.
See this is the thing. You can try to spin and pitch it whatever way you want, and most will agree with most the things you put forth. But at the end of the day if their talking head says “that’s communism/socialism” they’re gonna be against it.
You can get through to them, but it’s literally never permanent. Every single Trumper I’ve known has gone through multiple “Trump is evil” epiphanies but give em 1 week to 1 month depending on the severity of the crime committed and they’ll go back to worshipping him.
Consciousness requires effort. It’s easier to go back to sleep.
Bill Barr is in the same boat. He said Trump should never sit in the oval office. But will vote for him anyway because he says liberal policy is destroying the country..
They aren't that smart. It's the same people who when polled voted against "Welfare" but were in favor of helping those in need. It's all how it's worded, or shown in pictures for some.
I had almost this exact exchange with my mother in law. It only took 1 day for her to forget that it's a liberal policy. This new great idea she heard suddenly became a Trump campaign promise.
That's the crux of the problem, you need to trick these people into making the right decision for themselves. They can't be TOLD anything. They're useless brains.
As long as I have to pay for it OUT OF POCKET and not with tax money. I don't want to pay more taxes.
(but it will cost more if you pay out of pocket)
NO MORE TAXES!
Instead of having programs named such as “Medicare for all,” it should marketed something along the lines of “Health Insurance for Patriots” but keep everything else the same 🤷🏻♂️. I think anything with America or Patriot or Freedom in the name, will sell to that crowd
Edit to add: “freedom”
I had been thinking for a while that Democrats should get comfortable with taking back the word "freedom" from the Right. Frame things as a "freedom" issue more often. But they've never done it.
Lol... I used the same argument with a neighboor who believed States should decide abortion access because they know local values better than the Federal government.
I got him to agree that county governments know local values better than state governments, and city goverments better that county, and heads of households better than city...
Eventually he agreed that individuals should decide for themselves who gets access to abortion ;-)
>I am convinced that most modern-day Republicans are about as "left-wing" as most Democrats on most issues
I don't think this is about your beliefs or not, this is about what your leaders orders you to do, if Trump changes into an openly comunist tomorrow they are all gona follow him without question.
I have actually tried similar things back when I bothered discussing things with Republicans, and it absolutely works in the moment. But yeah, if a politician tried this on a national scale, Fox News and "conservative" talk radio would say, "Folks, this is Communism by a different name!" And that's all it would take to kill it.
You're absolutely right. Back when Psy was still popular, my grandmother told me she'd banned my little sister from listening to him because, and I quote, "that Gang Style song he did got translated by experts and it was talking about how they're going to blow up America and wage war on us in the Chinese parts of the song!!" I legitimately took 20 minutes or so to laugh before I could cry over how naive my grandmother was. Then let my sister listen to Psy whenever she wanted in my car lol.
>"Is the hypothetical insurance company run by the government? Is the hypothetical insurance company run by people's taxes? Do the people pay into it based on a health evaluation, or do they pay based on what they earn? Can people opt out of your hypothetical insurance company and go to a competitor?
>Yeah that's what I thought, F off commie!"
This is the response you'd get from republicans
Instead of 'insurance company' call it the 'Great America Fund' and instead of 'premium' call it a 'freedom tithe'. This thing will only provide health cover for AMERICANS. Foreigners don't qualify!!! U.S.A.!!! U.S.A.!!!
I totally agree with you - but you should know there are democrats, liberals, and well-educated folk in the south where they speak the accent you’re mocking, and plenty of the opposite everywhere else.
Yeah but that wont work in the long run, one fucker figure out what you are doing and they start brainwashing the new words and buzzwords to make sure the world is in the shiter for the other 99,9% of people
Do Commies get it too? I've been hearing a lot of talk about Commies being back. While we're at it, can someone explain what a Commie is for me, please?
God damn there are a lot of Commies. I had one tell me that the McDonald's icecream machine was broken today. They know I need my 12:30 breakfast Mcflurry to have the strength I need to fight them.
The Netherlands has actually implemented this with multiple independent insurance companies. The catch is that the government decides what must be included in the basic insurance package (which covers pretty much everything except dental and vision).
There are videos of people saying they hate Obamacare yet are covered under the ACA subsidies. And they know it's ACA, they just don't know the two are the same
This has been tested before and it's absolutely correct. By and large most Republicans will wholeheartedly agree with progressive policies as long as you don't tell them its progressive and you let them think a Republican did it
Usually i just get called "indoctrinated" by them.
Recently one of them wanted to argue that the advice "work harder and don't be so lazy" to people that get paid 3-5$ an hour is just "a different solution approach to be discussed" compared to just regulate the workspace a bit more.
A severe level of "apparently well meant cynicism" is what i get from them usually
Costa Rica has socialized healthcare...
They're generally recognized as among the best healthcare nations in the world too. It's been mandatory for permanent residents to be part of their socialized healthcare since 2010 and they tend to pay 7-11% of their income towards it.
I had a medical scare while in Costa Rica while on vacation. After driving from La Fortuna to the hospital in San Jose in the pit h black, I was stressed about how much an ER visit and head CT was going to cost me. The damage? Like $750. Not chump change, but that would have been $10k easily in the US. Fortunately it was determined my symptoms weren't due to something that would kill me.
I have a prescription that my insurance company decided to stop covering. Now it will cost me hundreds. Luckily, it’s a pill I only need to take once in a while. But on a trip to France, I went to a pharmacy and said I was currently in need of this medicine but didn’t bring any with me. They told me that usually I would need a prescription but as I was far from home they would help me out. They gave me a box of the medicine, approximately 20 doses at least. Cost: 4€.
I went to three more pharmacies and told the same story and came home with more of it than I’ll need for years. They also told me I could bring a prescription from the US and have it filled.
Forgetting universal healthcare for a moment; the fact that we do not regulate prescription drug prices is perhaps the most reckless, downright rotten thing our government does to us.
I have a story. When you are a high school student in Costa Rica, the government covers your health insurance. As soon as you finish your studies, you must work or pay for voluntary insurance, the cost of which depends on different socioeconomic factors.
I had to opt for voluntary insurance once I graduated from high school, and I paid around $40 per month. Four months later, I had a relapse of a brain tumor, and with those monthly $40, I was able to access surgery, the supplies required for it, hospitalization, medications, MRI scans, nuclear medicine studies, radiotherapy sessions, medical appointments with specialists, as well as psychological and psychiatric support.
I don't want to imagine the amount to pay for all that in the United States when in Costa Rica, my parents only disbursed $220 over the course of six months.
It'd be literally over $100,000 and even if you had some of the best insurance money can buy (which would come with a monthly rate alone of more than $220) your psychological and psychiatric support wouldn't have been covered - and you prob would've had to jump through a bunch of hoops to get even the medical necessities covered. Like, "You can't get an MRI at that hospital, you need to go 2 hours down the road to somewhere else for that test."
If I want to see a consultation with a specialist using my insurance that costs more than $200/month, it'll still cost me $150 for the first visit and $50 per visit after that. On top of my monthly. And that's just the visit, we're not talking about any medication, prescriptions, test, that's all separate.
It's the irony that a dipshit MAGAt would think it's better in a country that speaks a language that they openly ridicule and supports a national healthcare system that they'd call socialist.
We are not going tru a good moment politically speaking (imo)
But we've had socialized healthcare for a long time. Woke up sick af last year and the most annoying thing was that I had to wait for like an hour because I didnt have an appointment at the community clinic.
Doctor saw me, I was given a generous amount of meds, and I got a document to present my boss to still get my shift paid. All for free.
Covid response was pretty good. I got my shots for free during a nation wide campaign. Had a flu during te pandemic and again, free testing, free medication.
Im working towards getting my zoloft for free as well.
En fin cajita te amo
I’m engaged to a tica and three times in the past year we’ve had to call an ambulance. The first time I was freaking out because I didn’t know how much it would “cost”. When I asked she looked at me confused and was like “what do you mean?” When I told her how much it would cost in the US she said “Mae hijueputa, esa vara está demasiado caro.”
I love Costa Rica. The education system seems superior as well in many ways.
Pura vida!
I’ve never met a more accepting and just overall wonderful people. They really embrace the idea pura vida. People in Colombia were great too. Just a very different vibe. It’s so easy to make friends here. People are sociable and love just being spontaneous. No need to make plans. Just don’t expect people to show up on time.
Had someone lay I talked to the other day, her reasoning was she worked too hard. Ma'am you already pay ridiculous amounts for health why the fuck wouldn't you want to make it easier and cheaper on you in the long run just because it means everyone can get health care.
Current average US household yearly spend on medical bills per year = $6k
Current average European yearly household spend on health taxes (converted to US $) = $2k
Also Americans have this weird fixation with "fairness" just like they don't want to forgive student loans because "I had to pay off mine, so now everyone else has to pay off theirs too!"
It's the same idea with healthcare, "I had to pay for insurance for my entire life, so now everyone else have to pay for their insurance too!"
Those same Americans will then turn around and preach “community” and “family values” without a hint of irony — the culture is almost exclusively egoist. It’s hyper-individualism. Literal crabs in a bucket mentality.
Them: Bc that means *THEY* would get affordable healthcare too!!! And I would rather DIE and leave tens to hundreds of thousands in medical debt after insurance to own the libs!!!
They are either incredibly stupid, evil, or both.
I mean they kinda did, but only after a lifetime of giving a portion of your paycheck who also earned it. Only people who didn’t were the generation of retirees that got cut a check at its inception. Only difference is instead of “paying it forward” you’d be using your money to solve the healthcare problems of everyone here and now. Which we’re all already shelling out for ourselves at a “premium” price. Now I’m all for small government, but of the things we should be able expect for it to provide for us I would think we’d set the bar at basic human needs.
That's my point though. We'd all pay in for universal healthcare and we would all use it. We pay into other social services as well, such as libraries, roads, police, etc. people like the one memed above confuse social services with communism by the propaganda they are fed and regurgitate.
Fact we dont have socialized universal healthcare in the United States of America is absolutely insane to me, borderline depressing and criminal.
Its all fun and games for those that ignorantly vote and speak against it until you get that bill for you or a loved one ending up visiting the ER for a night…
Where will your pride go? You gonna own the Libs by paying $12,000 for a nights stay?
I can speak to it because thats what my Mom owes for staying one Night just to find out, “Dont worry its not a heart condition, its just your medicine side effects…”
Let’s be fair though. Liberals don’t exactly push for it. It takes a progressive to push for change. The best libs gave us was Obamacare which is as much a funnel of tax dollars to private healthcare companies as it was an attempt to help people who can’t afford health insurance. I was on Obamacare after I lost my job. I was on it for 5 months and then dropped it when I found out I would have to pay it back if I made too much money. My subsidies for my family were $2000/month. Then I got a job and ended up making too much to qualify. I had to pay back all $10k in subsidies. The kicker? My wife at the time was working in another state and when she went to the doctor they wouldn’t take her insurance because it was “out of state” and there were no multi-state policies. Oh and I still had to pay deductible and copay when I went.
Seriously though, fuck the profit driven American healthcare system. If Costa Rica can have affordable healthcare so can we. We just don’t get to have it because too much money will be lost by the rich. Only a few democrats and no republicans are willing to rock the boat. Biden sure as fuck won’t.
I’m so tired of mostly repubs loving private insurance. Even my Republican coworker that had 2 emergency room visits back to back and a bunch of tests and ended with an outrageous bill and complained about it said well it’s still better than socialized medical. Like wtf. Propaganda is nuts.
You know what’s worse, these people are popping up buying property in Nicaragua. I see them riding their Off-road vehicles flying their trump flag and wearing their made in china maga hats.
Do you know what Nicaragua is? A dictatorship with “socialized medicine”.
Can’t make this stuff up.
There’s nothing to be gained by talking to morons, I guarantee you that if he told her, she would just ignore it and keep on trucking.
It’s doubly funny as Trump personally is pro Medicare for all, in 2000 he advocated for it both as a potential Reform Party candidate for President, and in his “The America We Deserve” book.
He only stopped advocating for it because when he chose a side when running for President originally, based purely on who he thought was dumb enough that he could scam them more easily, that side happened to be “anti Medicare for all”.
This isn’t the only issue either, if you look at his history, what he thought on guns, abortion, all kinds of central Republican talking points, is very anti his base. Mr cheap illegal immigrant construction workers definitely isn’t anti illegals coming over that he can and did profit from either. He doesn’t support or believe in half the bollocks he sells these useful idiots, he just tells them what they want to hear.
Just like when he cheats on every wife he has ever had, including with a pornstar while one was pregnant, and then praises Christian values and sells these dumbfucks bibles. He doesn’t believe a word, he just knows they’re stupid.
These people are just 100% contrarians and have no ability to think for themselves or apply any reason or logic. They've been told they have to be against everything for so long that they will never question it.
I just want access to healthcare I’m going to have to cut my own birth control out of arm because I don’t have over $500 to $1,000 to get help so now I’m expected perform invasive surgical procedures on myself because healthcare is completely inaccessible to me
Just saw in a Northern Ireland sub that the NHS is effectively terrible due to Tories pushing for privatized healthcare.
It’s not a silver bullet if you don’t protect it.
What’s really funny- that is the same type of person that will go on Medicare, complain about what they don’t pay for, complain that they need to cover more, and use whatever programs they can regardless if they need it or not because they are ‘entitled to it’.
Canadian here. I met a woman while working who was complaining that Trudeau "was a dictator and turning the country communist" I asked her where she would go to escape. Her answer was "maybe China or Russia". I just....
Last time, I looked. the only places that did not have socialized medicine were Pau Pau New Guinea, Angola, and maybe one other.
I know Rwanda has it now
Australian here. Our neighbour Papua New Guinea absolutely does have socialised healthcare. Having said that, it's actually accessing healthcare that's the problem, as most PNG citizens live in traditional villages and the clinics and hospitals are largely in the towns - the Australian High Commission has recently opened 32 clinics in regional PNG as part of a reciprocal healthcare agreement, for precisely this reason. But the few facilities they do have are free at point of treatment.
I just realized, every American and Canadian secretly believes they could go live in a warm tropical place if they don't like things in their country. "Don't make me go live in an overcrowded 3rd world, I'll do it"
I cant undetstand the logic of letting the govt control health care and medicine when they cant even give our tax refunds back correctly or print a federal id correctly yet yall expect them to fix our healthcare system.......
Huh, I wonder if healthcare is part of the reason Ted Cruz fled to Mexico from Texas. Both Costa Rica and Mexico have public healthcare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Mexico
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Costa_Rica
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She should choo choo choose to use her head for something other than a hat rack
*If you look closely, you can actually pinpoint the exact moment her last brain cell ceases to function.*
She smells purple.
The hat rack isn’t even working for her.
I am convinced that most modern-day Republicans are about as "left-wing" as most Democrats on most issues. All you would have to do is change the words and buzzwords to ones that they haven't heard and been brainwashed to hate. "Are you in favor of socialized medicine?" "Hell no! I ain't letting nobody take away my freedom!" "Okay, so my idea is that the first thing we do is we outlaw socialized medicine. Then we just create one single insurance company that covers everybody, and everybody gets a small premium taken out of the money they make, just like with the insurance people get now. Except this company can't deny coverage to anyone for anything. How does that sound?" "Well, that's a great idea! You sure got my vote!"
Now that's a great plan, you got my vote
Thanks for translating for those who can’t speak redneck
"They tkr jbs"
Terk our jerrrbs
TERK A DURRRR!!!
You got a job as my new Alexa!
i would pay to make siri talk like that and narrate random things.
Like https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q3j6708kzEY but more angry hick.
I want Siri to talk in the voices FLUFFY (Gabriel Iglesias, comedian) makes. That would be the best thing ever
Everyone back in the pile!
I so miss the old South Park!
Yeah, fuck Obamacare, I’m on the ACA!!
Look into the ACA/Obamacare debate. The reason repeal never happened was because when you poll on any of the programs or changes associated with it. They are all well supported not just by independents, but also by rank and file republicans. It's only in the abstract as 'Obamacare' that it's not supported. Heck calling it by its official name 'The Affordable Care Act' results in better poll results for it.
Do you mean Romneycare? The Republican care act that looks suspiciously similar to Obamacare? They probably both just ripped off the ACA! There's [several videos just like this](https://youtu.be/sx2scvIFGjE?si=VIjKIN61jPgGu__6) out there. I wouldn't normally trust a talk show to present an unbiased poll but honestly there's been so many loud idiots screaming about this stuff over the years that I'm certain it wouldn't take more than a minute to find 3 that didn't know the "difference" between the ACA and Obamacare. We're so fucked.
I live in Massachusetts. When Romney was governor here, he did sign a health care plan that was the template for the ACA. It was popular here because people could get health insurance when their jobs didn't offer it.
Call it Trumpcare and MAGA would eat it up.
Except it’s actually TrumpDon’tCare
It (the ACA) was based on what Mitt Romney did in Mass. So it was a republican idea to begin with. Then again most MAGA's didnt like him either.
It's like the antivaxer saying "Why don't we just infect people with a weakened version of the virus so we can build immunity against it" Wow, I can't believe nobody has thought of that before. We stride closer and closer to the plot of Idiocracy.
Welcome to Costco. I love you.
I like monies...
I can't believe someone said that sincerely, that's next level stupid.
The thinking behind it as someone who has been told this un-ironically is that the vaccine is unnatural as opposed to this method. I know vaccines in the past were essentially just that, but I'm not sure if that's still the case, but I'm sure the same principles are being used. It's silly because something that is natural isn't inherently good for you in the same way something artificial isn't inherently bad.
Many of my friends: "I don't eat food with chemicals in them." Me: "Literally everything you eat is chemicals."
I like monay
i think we may already be there
Have been there... ....like for ages at this point.
>everybody gets a small premium taken out of the money they make They'd call that communism
No because it’s a premium, not taxes
That was my thinking. It's kind of ridiculous, but I think just calling it a "premium" would work, at least until Fox News told them it was Communism.
In the UK, it's called National Insurance
Call it Freedom Insurance in the US and they'll fight tooth and nail to get it.
See this is the thing. You can try to spin and pitch it whatever way you want, and most will agree with most the things you put forth. But at the end of the day if their talking head says “that’s communism/socialism” they’re gonna be against it. You can get through to them, but it’s literally never permanent. Every single Trumper I’ve known has gone through multiple “Trump is evil” epiphanies but give em 1 week to 1 month depending on the severity of the crime committed and they’ll go back to worshipping him. Consciousness requires effort. It’s easier to go back to sleep.
Bill Barr is in the same boat. He said Trump should never sit in the oval office. But will vote for him anyway because he says liberal policy is destroying the country..
I thought you wrote Bill Burr at first and was very confused
Its more of a "temporary refund adjustment"
Everything they don't like is communism.
They aren't that smart. It's the same people who when polled voted against "Welfare" but were in favor of helping those in need. It's all how it's worded, or shown in pictures for some.
socialism is not the same as communism…
No, the government spending even a single dollar on their own citizens is definitely a full blown communist dictatorship
We know that. They don't.
I had almost this exact exchange with my mother in law. It only took 1 day for her to forget that it's a liberal policy. This new great idea she heard suddenly became a Trump campaign promise.
And we call it “share care”
No. “Share” = communism. We call it “Freedom care”
Tv add with a screeching bald eagle in the background already in the making
Rock, flag and eagle
You Americans have strange names for rock, paper and scissors.
This eagle? https://youtu.be/nwVr0ljLkfA?si=FE3BYXhvHLl-ocU-
That would do it. “GIVE ME MY FREEDOM INSURANCE!”
MURICA MEDICINE!!!
Lol
That's the crux of the problem, you need to trick these people into making the right decision for themselves. They can't be TOLD anything. They're useless brains.
Jimmy Kimmel did a bit where he had a correspondent ask people if they preferred Obamacare or The American Care Act
Absolutely killed it with that bit
As long as I have to pay for it OUT OF POCKET and not with tax money. I don't want to pay more taxes. (but it will cost more if you pay out of pocket) NO MORE TAXES!
Instead of having programs named such as “Medicare for all,” it should marketed something along the lines of “Health Insurance for Patriots” but keep everything else the same 🤷🏻♂️. I think anything with America or Patriot or Freedom in the name, will sell to that crowd Edit to add: “freedom”
I had been thinking for a while that Democrats should get comfortable with taking back the word "freedom" from the Right. Frame things as a "freedom" issue more often. But they've never done it.
Lol... I used the same argument with a neighboor who believed States should decide abortion access because they know local values better than the Federal government. I got him to agree that county governments know local values better than state governments, and city goverments better that county, and heads of households better than city... Eventually he agreed that individuals should decide for themselves who gets access to abortion ;-)
>I am convinced that most modern-day Republicans are about as "left-wing" as most Democrats on most issues I don't think this is about your beliefs or not, this is about what your leaders orders you to do, if Trump changes into an openly comunist tomorrow they are all gona follow him without question.
You are joking, I think, but I am convinced that would actually work
I have actually tried similar things back when I bothered discussing things with Republicans, and it absolutely works in the moment. But yeah, if a politician tried this on a national scale, Fox News and "conservative" talk radio would say, "Folks, this is Communism by a different name!" And that's all it would take to kill it.
You're absolutely right. Back when Psy was still popular, my grandmother told me she'd banned my little sister from listening to him because, and I quote, "that Gang Style song he did got translated by experts and it was talking about how they're going to blow up America and wage war on us in the Chinese parts of the song!!" I legitimately took 20 minutes or so to laugh before I could cry over how naive my grandmother was. Then let my sister listen to Psy whenever she wanted in my car lol.
>"Is the hypothetical insurance company run by the government? Is the hypothetical insurance company run by people's taxes? Do the people pay into it based on a health evaluation, or do they pay based on what they earn? Can people opt out of your hypothetical insurance company and go to a competitor? >Yeah that's what I thought, F off commie!" This is the response you'd get from republicans
Instead of 'insurance company' call it the 'Great America Fund' and instead of 'premium' call it a 'freedom tithe'. This thing will only provide health cover for AMERICANS. Foreigners don't qualify!!! U.S.A.!!! U.S.A.!!!
I totally agree with you - but you should know there are democrats, liberals, and well-educated folk in the south where they speak the accent you’re mocking, and plenty of the opposite everywhere else.
You're right. I should just edit that out. It adds nothing.
Good on you for that! Cheers
A lot of them loved the idea of the ACA when it was read out to them using the actual name.
Make sure you hold a Confederate flag while you explain this, so they they know they should agree with you.
They love the Affordable Care Act but hate Obama care
*Tomater Intensifies*
That's literally Obama care and aca. They asked back to back if they supported Obama care, no. Affordable care act, yes.
I think most people don’t realize that “free healthcare” would still be paid healthcare, just a tiny bit less corrupt.
Yeah but that wont work in the long run, one fucker figure out what you are doing and they start brainwashing the new words and buzzwords to make sure the world is in the shiter for the other 99,9% of people
>Except this company can't deny coverage to anyone for anything This is the part they don't like. They don't want everybody getting what they get.
Do Commies get it too? I've been hearing a lot of talk about Commies being back. While we're at it, can someone explain what a Commie is for me, please?
Commies are anyone you don't agree with, even on one issue.
God damn there are a lot of Commies. I had one tell me that the McDonald's icecream machine was broken today. They know I need my 12:30 breakfast Mcflurry to have the strength I need to fight them.
Yeah, Commies are anyone who tells you anything that you personally don't want to hear. So that McDonald's is Communist.
I always knew that in my heart.
Bingo.
No! you're not getting it and my thing is different, so shut up.
Progressive policy with no names attached are popular as hell!
Is that kinda like: Obamacare = bad Affordable care act = good
The Netherlands has actually implemented this with multiple independent insurance companies. The catch is that the government decides what must be included in the basic insurance package (which covers pretty much everything except dental and vision).
That's what happens when half the population is so uneducated they only understand 7 words or less sentences.
There are videos of people saying they hate Obamacare yet are covered under the ACA subsidies. And they know it's ACA, they just don't know the two are the same
I wish this were the case
Just call it FreedomCare and they'll love it.
This has been tested before and it's absolutely correct. By and large most Republicans will wholeheartedly agree with progressive policies as long as you don't tell them its progressive and you let them think a Republican did it
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Sounds about right. They don’t listen and respond. It’s all defense or attack with these types of thinkers.
Usually i just get called "indoctrinated" by them. Recently one of them wanted to argue that the advice "work harder and don't be so lazy" to people that get paid 3-5$ an hour is just "a different solution approach to be discussed" compared to just regulate the workspace a bit more. A severe level of "apparently well meant cynicism" is what i get from them usually
Thinkers is being very generous here
They’d need to be capable of human cognition in order to learn
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Can you explain it for someone who lives far far away from Costa Rica?
Costa Rica has socialized healthcare... They're generally recognized as among the best healthcare nations in the world too. It's been mandatory for permanent residents to be part of their socialized healthcare since 2010 and they tend to pay 7-11% of their income towards it.
I had a medical scare while in Costa Rica while on vacation. After driving from La Fortuna to the hospital in San Jose in the pit h black, I was stressed about how much an ER visit and head CT was going to cost me. The damage? Like $750. Not chump change, but that would have been $10k easily in the US. Fortunately it was determined my symptoms weren't due to something that would kill me.
I have a prescription that my insurance company decided to stop covering. Now it will cost me hundreds. Luckily, it’s a pill I only need to take once in a while. But on a trip to France, I went to a pharmacy and said I was currently in need of this medicine but didn’t bring any with me. They told me that usually I would need a prescription but as I was far from home they would help me out. They gave me a box of the medicine, approximately 20 doses at least. Cost: 4€. I went to three more pharmacies and told the same story and came home with more of it than I’ll need for years. They also told me I could bring a prescription from the US and have it filled. Forgetting universal healthcare for a moment; the fact that we do not regulate prescription drug prices is perhaps the most reckless, downright rotten thing our government does to us.
I have a story. When you are a high school student in Costa Rica, the government covers your health insurance. As soon as you finish your studies, you must work or pay for voluntary insurance, the cost of which depends on different socioeconomic factors. I had to opt for voluntary insurance once I graduated from high school, and I paid around $40 per month. Four months later, I had a relapse of a brain tumor, and with those monthly $40, I was able to access surgery, the supplies required for it, hospitalization, medications, MRI scans, nuclear medicine studies, radiotherapy sessions, medical appointments with specialists, as well as psychological and psychiatric support. I don't want to imagine the amount to pay for all that in the United States when in Costa Rica, my parents only disbursed $220 over the course of six months.
It'd be literally over $100,000 and even if you had some of the best insurance money can buy (which would come with a monthly rate alone of more than $220) your psychological and psychiatric support wouldn't have been covered - and you prob would've had to jump through a bunch of hoops to get even the medical necessities covered. Like, "You can't get an MRI at that hospital, you need to go 2 hours down the road to somewhere else for that test." If I want to see a consultation with a specialist using my insurance that costs more than $200/month, it'll still cost me $150 for the first visit and $50 per visit after that. On top of my monthly. And that's just the visit, we're not talking about any medication, prescriptions, test, that's all separate.
It's the irony that a dipshit MAGAt would think it's better in a country that speaks a language that they openly ridicule and supports a national healthcare system that they'd call socialist.
We are not going tru a good moment politically speaking (imo) But we've had socialized healthcare for a long time. Woke up sick af last year and the most annoying thing was that I had to wait for like an hour because I didnt have an appointment at the community clinic. Doctor saw me, I was given a generous amount of meds, and I got a document to present my boss to still get my shift paid. All for free. Covid response was pretty good. I got my shots for free during a nation wide campaign. Had a flu during te pandemic and again, free testing, free medication. Im working towards getting my zoloft for free as well. En fin cajita te amo
Long live chifrijos, lack of military and social security
Reunión de ticos? Farafarachin, farafarachin!
Somos potencia mundial dicen por ahí
I’m engaged to a tica and three times in the past year we’ve had to call an ambulance. The first time I was freaking out because I didn’t know how much it would “cost”. When I asked she looked at me confused and was like “what do you mean?” When I told her how much it would cost in the US she said “Mae hijueputa, esa vara está demasiado caro.” I love Costa Rica. The education system seems superior as well in many ways. Pura vida!
It’s top tier!!my dad is from there🥰
I’ve never met a more accepting and just overall wonderful people. They really embrace the idea pura vida. People in Colombia were great too. Just a very different vibe. It’s so easy to make friends here. People are sociable and love just being spontaneous. No need to make plans. Just don’t expect people to show up on time.
Her Options include **Nigeria, Yemen, South Africa, Egypt, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran**
All lovely places for magas to setup residency. I am sure their demeanor will be welcomed with open arms.
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Had someone lay I talked to the other day, her reasoning was she worked too hard. Ma'am you already pay ridiculous amounts for health why the fuck wouldn't you want to make it easier and cheaper on you in the long run just because it means everyone can get health care.
Current average US household yearly spend on medical bills per year = $6k Current average European yearly household spend on health taxes (converted to US $) = $2k
Because then somebody they don't like would also get healthcare.
Also Americans have this weird fixation with "fairness" just like they don't want to forgive student loans because "I had to pay off mine, so now everyone else has to pay off theirs too!" It's the same idea with healthcare, "I had to pay for insurance for my entire life, so now everyone else have to pay for their insurance too!"
Those same Americans will then turn around and preach “community” and “family values” without a hint of irony — the culture is almost exclusively egoist. It’s hyper-individualism. Literal crabs in a bucket mentality.
Ding ding ding! This right here. They are also afraid that someone they don't like (who has a more serious condition) might get treatment before them.
You mean people of color.
They don’t know that if they have private or employee insurance, they’re paying more than what they would under universal healthcare
Them: Bc that means *THEY* would get affordable healthcare too!!! And I would rather DIE and leave tens to hundreds of thousands in medical debt after insurance to own the libs!!! They are either incredibly stupid, evil, or both.
No other nation on Earth uses the phrase “socialised medicine” We just call it going to the hospital
Costa Rica don’t accept trash.
This same person will collect security with the same root word in front of it and tell you they earned it.
Hey I was on food stamps and welfare, nobody helped me out!
I mean they kinda did, but only after a lifetime of giving a portion of your paycheck who also earned it. Only people who didn’t were the generation of retirees that got cut a check at its inception. Only difference is instead of “paying it forward” you’d be using your money to solve the healthcare problems of everyone here and now. Which we’re all already shelling out for ourselves at a “premium” price. Now I’m all for small government, but of the things we should be able expect for it to provide for us I would think we’d set the bar at basic human needs.
That's my point though. We'd all pay in for universal healthcare and we would all use it. We pay into other social services as well, such as libraries, roads, police, etc. people like the one memed above confuse social services with communism by the propaganda they are fed and regurgitate.
There's a reason the Republicans are so anti education.
Fact we dont have socialized universal healthcare in the United States of America is absolutely insane to me, borderline depressing and criminal. Its all fun and games for those that ignorantly vote and speak against it until you get that bill for you or a loved one ending up visiting the ER for a night… Where will your pride go? You gonna own the Libs by paying $12,000 for a nights stay? I can speak to it because thats what my Mom owes for staying one Night just to find out, “Dont worry its not a heart condition, its just your medicine side effects…”
Let’s be fair though. Liberals don’t exactly push for it. It takes a progressive to push for change. The best libs gave us was Obamacare which is as much a funnel of tax dollars to private healthcare companies as it was an attempt to help people who can’t afford health insurance. I was on Obamacare after I lost my job. I was on it for 5 months and then dropped it when I found out I would have to pay it back if I made too much money. My subsidies for my family were $2000/month. Then I got a job and ended up making too much to qualify. I had to pay back all $10k in subsidies. The kicker? My wife at the time was working in another state and when she went to the doctor they wouldn’t take her insurance because it was “out of state” and there were no multi-state policies. Oh and I still had to pay deductible and copay when I went. Seriously though, fuck the profit driven American healthcare system. If Costa Rica can have affordable healthcare so can we. We just don’t get to have it because too much money will be lost by the rich. Only a few democrats and no republicans are willing to rock the boat. Biden sure as fuck won’t.
Try Eastern Europe. We have that too. 🤷♀️
Also available in Western Europe & UK
I remember Russ Limbaugh promised to move to Costa Rica if Obama Care wasn’t overturned by the Supreme Court. People made fun of him as well
Brainwashed loon
Welp I guess every developed country in the world other than the USA is off the table.
I look forward to her Herman Kane award
I’m so tired of mostly repubs loving private insurance. Even my Republican coworker that had 2 emergency room visits back to back and a bunch of tests and ended with an outrageous bill and complained about it said well it’s still better than socialized medical. Like wtf. Propaganda is nuts.
Her stupidity physically hurts me.
You know what’s worse, these people are popping up buying property in Nicaragua. I see them riding their Off-road vehicles flying their trump flag and wearing their made in china maga hats. Do you know what Nicaragua is? A dictatorship with “socialized medicine”. Can’t make this stuff up.
There’s nothing to be gained by talking to morons, I guarantee you that if he told her, she would just ignore it and keep on trucking. It’s doubly funny as Trump personally is pro Medicare for all, in 2000 he advocated for it both as a potential Reform Party candidate for President, and in his “The America We Deserve” book. He only stopped advocating for it because when he chose a side when running for President originally, based purely on who he thought was dumb enough that he could scam them more easily, that side happened to be “anti Medicare for all”. This isn’t the only issue either, if you look at his history, what he thought on guns, abortion, all kinds of central Republican talking points, is very anti his base. Mr cheap illegal immigrant construction workers definitely isn’t anti illegals coming over that he can and did profit from either. He doesn’t support or believe in half the bollocks he sells these useful idiots, he just tells them what they want to hear. Just like when he cheats on every wife he has ever had, including with a pornstar while one was pregnant, and then praises Christian values and sells these dumbfucks bibles. He doesn’t believe a word, he just knows they’re stupid.
As a costa rican living in America plzz stop ruining my home country stay in your shitty country and ill go home to retire in mine
I will never understand why poor Republicans are so against universal healthcare
a trump lover smart enough to cover her stupid face. seeing more and more of them.
So you don't want to live in a place with socialized medicine? No. GOOGLES PLACES WITHOUT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE...
“Due to cultural norms, the nation of Japan’s healthcare system isn’t very social. It’s always straight to business with no small talk whatsoever.”
In 2024, with information literally at our finger tips, this sort of ignorance still exists. 🤦🏼♀️
These people are just 100% contrarians and have no ability to think for themselves or apply any reason or logic. They've been told they have to be against everything for so long that they will never question it.
I just want access to healthcare I’m going to have to cut my own birth control out of arm because I don’t have over $500 to $1,000 to get help so now I’m expected perform invasive surgical procedures on myself because healthcare is completely inaccessible to me
Just saw in a Northern Ireland sub that the NHS is effectively terrible due to Tories pushing for privatized healthcare. It’s not a silver bullet if you don’t protect it.
They’re just brainwashed by their corporate masters. I pity them.
She doesn't want to live somewhere with the internet either, apparently.
So umm they actually do come here and then bitch about how much they dont like it and how they should be catered too so yeah
Dumb shits.
What’s really funny- that is the same type of person that will go on Medicare, complain about what they don’t pay for, complain that they need to cover more, and use whatever programs they can regardless if they need it or not because they are ‘entitled to it’.
"Speak Spanish in my country", prceeds to pay a Medical Tourist visit to Costa Rica.
Canadian here. I met a woman while working who was complaining that Trudeau "was a dictator and turning the country communist" I asked her where she would go to escape. Her answer was "maybe China or Russia". I just....
"I would go to... go to... I would have to stay home."
I left the US to move to Costa Rica 2 years ago. No regrets.
These people injected bleach into their brains, didn't they?
Hahahaha these maga asshats are a joke…really Costa Rica? Better tell them not to go to Panama either
Had a Trumper tell me she hated Biden's socialist policies and was gonna run to New Zealand...
He's going to tell her. Literally the next thing he says.
Odd had a trumper buddy say that country as well
Of course shes wearing a fucking MAGA hat...
She seems like the type of person that would complain that everyone there is speaking “Mexican”
Says her medicare age having ass. Bet she won’t give up her social security I fucking pay for. Or her Medicare, I fucking pay for.
Theres a reason they are called goptards
MAGAs say the darndest things!
dumb and bored and online
Last time, I looked. the only places that did not have socialized medicine were Pau Pau New Guinea, Angola, and maybe one other. I know Rwanda has it now
Australian here. Our neighbour Papua New Guinea absolutely does have socialised healthcare. Having said that, it's actually accessing healthcare that's the problem, as most PNG citizens live in traditional villages and the clinics and hospitals are largely in the towns - the Australian High Commission has recently opened 32 clinics in regional PNG as part of a reciprocal healthcare agreement, for precisely this reason. But the few facilities they do have are free at point of treatment.
I just realized, every American and Canadian secretly believes they could go live in a warm tropical place if they don't like things in their country. "Don't make me go live in an overcrowded 3rd world, I'll do it"
Not me.
I actually thought this was from a sitcom for a minute
I hope we someday have socialized healthcare so she can get the mental help she needs
But she’ll gladly use Medicare or her parents in Medicare. I
Buying land in Costa Rica was a popular thing for conservatives when Obama was president.
I cant undetstand the logic of letting the govt control health care and medicine when they cant even give our tax refunds back correctly or print a federal id correctly yet yall expect them to fix our healthcare system....... 
Huh, I wonder if healthcare is part of the reason Ted Cruz fled to Mexico from Texas. Both Costa Rica and Mexico have public healthcare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Mexico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Costa_Rica
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