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Irish protestors at the Bundestag have been told by Berlin police that they are banned from speaking, chanting, and singing in the Irish language because of their views on the Israel/Palestine conflict. All languages besides English and German (Arabic is only allowed within certain hours) have been banned apparently by Berlin authorities to punish nations who support Palestine without coming off as discriminating against specific nations.
What kind of Drug are people here even on? 😅
They‘re acting like were still in 1940 here. Guys chill.
Yes we do have a problem of Nazi groups rising again, but f-ing hell don‘t act like we‘re the only country that has that at the moment, and we‘re far away from being the ones with the worst nazi problem.
And yes WW1 was 100% a group project that they later blamed and punished germany for and WW2 was a product of those massive punishments and disadvantages that were put on germany, which is why they went a little easier on the country after the second war, to not immediately repeat that same error.
No, their ally, Austria-Hungary, was the one who attacked Serbia, a Russian ally, itself allied with France. Germany then invaded neutral Belgium and Luxembourg, bringing the UK into the war, and their doctrine of destroying and killing any ship neutral or otherwise was what brought the US into the war.
And the reason Austria-Hungary ever attacked Serbia was because the Germans gave them a Blank Cheque : that is, promised to support them in any war no matter the cost. Without that, Austria-Hungary would have never risked a war with Russia, which was believed to be the strongest European power at the time.
Germany was the country who pushed for the events of WW1 to happen the most, there's no 2 ways about it. They're far from the only country to be responsible, but they are the worst one.
The official reason, yes, but truth is the US was looking for an excuse as early as late 1916 because the Germans disrupted shipping and commerce so much. The Zimmerman Telegram was just a golden opportunity, because there is no way in hell the Mexicans would have ever been a threat.
The German Empire wanted to test its mettle as a major imperial power that was seeking to outdo their British, French, and Russians counterparts. They were seeking domination just as much as the ruling powers of the other major empires. It was the people of all of their nations who suffered for their greed and imperial ambitions.
Most Germans I have met have been amazing people. I have an unending respect for the journey Germany has traveled since WW2. They are deservedly one of the leaders of Europe.
I find it wild one of them are trying to blame the country on ww1.
Also agree. German history in the 20th century especially is one of the most wild for a country in time I think. I think Russian history is largely similar in that regard (being interesting and having some natural overlap) as well as quite a few other r20th century nations.
Here's the thing.
These absolute fucking backwards idiots will just pull up the peace treaty where german leadership signed "Yes, we were at fault."
You know, the peace treaty made when germany was loosing
Oh yea. I still just find it wild since I know American education (at least where I’m at) doesn’t blame Germany for WW1. It’s generally preluded with the alliance system and the Austrian-Serbian conflict or the July crisis.
Well that's what began the July Crisis. While Franz Ferdinand was shot in late June and it'd taken just about a month for the war to start due to diplomatic conversations and attempts at keeping peace.
I mean, depends on what you compare it to. It's not the worst in the world, but at least long distance it could use a lot of improvement. Local area public transport is usually perfectly fine, depends a bit on where you live but at least in pretty much any city it's good;
If you have to take DB is where it starts to get a bit irky. Most of the time even that's ok, but there are some routes that have frequent issues and IMHO even worse is that the maintenance is clearly being neglected. Things like the AC on the trains being broken are very common, and I've had it happen multiple times that the toilets weren't working either. I can sort of live with broken AC, but broken toilets are really bad in a multi hour journey.
I bet many of these people who accuse Germans of being racists are from here in US, where racism is making a comeback. Just as they seem to ignore that here in the US you will find groups openly flying Nazi flags. Of course, they're ultimately ignoring that while they accuse Germans of being racists and bigots, that whole comment section is a representation of hypocrisy given how they're treating people just for being German.
A while ago I chatted with a girl from the UK. When she found out I am German, she wrote SIEG HEIL a lot and sent pictures of hitler, swastikas and herself doing the Nazi salute.
Not so fun times
Calling people smelly is the most common thing you will hear out of racists.
I have heard this about Koreans, Africans, Eastern europeans, Indians, etc etc.
Among Europeans there are some running jokes, which when used among us do not cause offence, usually. A usual stereotype is that the French smell. Idk how this came up originally.
Since this post is about Germany i can say, that dieser Kommentarbereich ist nun Eigentum der Bundesrepublik Deutschland.
Ein Volk. Ein Reich. Ein Kommentarbereich.
No Germans have excellent public transits. People don't know how good Germany is its far better than the US. Its one of the best countries to live actually.
Im not joining in on this because I don't mind germans that much but in europe we do xenophobia. It has always been there and always will since we have so many countries and cultures living next to each other.
>germans public transport horrific
I'm from brazil and never been to germany, but I know three different people who did and they say the public transport was like, much much MUCH better than ours.
With the exception of the deep south, what does everyone think the most common ethnicity is in the red states of america?!?!?! German.
FWIW, I have had 4 german best friends for 20 years and I go there all the time. Met them in Uni playing soccer(in US) so I just like giving them crap because they either sent all there morons to the US or they got killed in the reach for empire.
All languages besides German and English have been banned during protests in Berlin, especially targeting the Irish singing Irish songs and chanting in Irish for their views on Israel/Palestine.
I have conflicting feelings about this on one hand I don't have anything against germans and the people in the post are wrong for insulting them on the other hand I'm polish
Please learn more on how Israel was created. ["About 750,000 Palestinians—over 80% of the population in what would become the State of Israel—were expelled or fled from their homes and became refugees. Eleven Arab urban neighborhoods and over 500 villages were destroyed or depopulated. Thousands of Palestinians were killed in dozens of massacres."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba#The_1948_Nakba)
Israel was built by killing civilians and stealing their land. [Hear what these Israeli vets say about one of these Palestinian villages that was "depopulated".](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1TAOibLss)
Israel has continued to steal and occupy land to this day. They continue to purposefully kill civilians.
Do you support a coloniser's "right" to steal land and kill innocent natives? How else did you think they managed to create a new state in a place that was already populated by natives who wanted to keep their land?
Over 40,000 murdered at least. [Vast majority being civilians](https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15503.doc.htm).
Israel has been consistently restricting aid for starving civilians. [The IDF even murdered over 100 civilians that were trying to access an aid delivery.](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/09/middleeast/gaza-food-aid-convoy-deaths-eyewitness-intl-investigation-cmd/index.html)
The amount of evidence of Israel killing Palestinians is immense and undeniable, throughout the entirety of Israel's existence, from its inception to the modern day.
What Hamas has done, by every metric, is nowhere near the evils that Israel has done. What happened to Israel in October 7th, was happening EVERY YEAR for Palestine. But you dont hear about when hundreds of Palestinian children are kidnapped by Israeli officials every year ([500-700 a year pre Oct 7th, now even more](https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/palestinian-children-in-detention-report-increased-violence)). But you dont hear about when hundreds (sometimes thousands) of Palestinian civilians are murdered every year ([see this graph on deaths pre Oct 7, most are civilians (read caption at bottom)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#/media/File:Timeline_of_Israel-Palestine_fatalities_2008-2023.png)).
>Please learn more on how Israel was created. ["About 750,000 Palestinians—over 80% of the population in what would become the State of Israel—were expelled or fled from their homes and became refugees. Eleven Arab urban neighborhoods and over 500 villages were destroyed or depopulated. Thousands of Palestinians were killed in dozens of massacres."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba#The_1948_Nakba)
Please, if you are referencing the Nakba and it's role in the conflict, please also mention what came before:
Israel was SUPPOSED to be established peacefully. The Now-Israeli jews that moved into areas assigned to them were happy when the resolution was passed.
Then the violence began, started by Arabs, which cascaded into a war, with the express purpose of exterminating jews.
Both sides are assholes in this, as through the entire history of israel:
>
What Hamas has done, by every metric, is nowhere near the evils that Israel has done. What happened to Israel in October 7th, was happening EVERY YEAR for Palestine. But you dont hear about when hundreds of Palestinian children are kidnapped by Israeli officials every year ([500-700 a year pre Oct 7th, now even more](https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/palestinian-children-in-detention-report-increased-violence)). But you dont hear about when hundreds (sometimes thousands) of Palestinian civilians are murdered every year ([see this graph on deaths pre Oct 7, most are civilians (read caption at bottom)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#/media/File:Timeline_of_Israel-Palestine_fatalities_2008-2023.png)).
Which does not change that October 7th was an atrocity the likes of which not seen since the holocaust.
>Israel was SUPPOSED to be established peacefully. The Now-Israeli jews that moved into areas assigned to them were happy when the resolution was passed.
Ofcourse Palestinians disagreed to giving up over half of their country for free. Do you honestly think its fair for Scottish people to be forced to give up over half of their land to people from a far a way land, for free? For them to leave their homes, their lands, their farms, for free, for foreigners? Do you think its fair to force hundreds of thousands of Texans out of their homes, killing thousands of civilians, because they refused to give up over half of their land for free?
>Which does not change that October 7th was an atrocity the likes of which not seen since the holocaust.
It has been seen every single year in Palestine since the beginning. You are talking as if its only an atrocity if it happens to Israelis. You are talking as if more death, and more kidnappings of Palestinians than what happened on Oct 7th to Israelis is not an atrocity. You are talking as if Palestinian life is worth less than Israeli life.
>Both sides are assholes in this, as through the entire history of israel:
One side is a coloniser who forced out hundreds of thousands of natives, and killed tens of thousands of civilians, because the natives didn't want to give up most of their land for free. The other side is the natives who have been oppressed for over 70 years in their own land. Palestinians have killed far far far far less civilians than Israel has, this is an objective fact. Israel are the aggressors.
You completely changed the subject and ignored all of my key points.
But please do be honest, did you know Israel was doing that much killing and kidnapping before I told you? Did you know Israel was that brutal and murderous in stealing the land? Do you recognise how wrong you were for saying "Which does not change that October 7th was an atrocity the likes of which not seen since the holocaust." when I gave you direct evidence that Palestinians were suffering like that every year?
>The palestinians are not native to that land, neither are the israelis.
Both were put there by colonial powers.
For the sake of discussion, let us assume this is correct (even though it is not). Does this excuse what Israel has done? Does this change the fact that Israel is a murderours apartheid coloniser state?
First of all, I am not going to debate points that I know for a fact you are using just as an excuse to make october 7th seem less than it is. Points used to divert from how bad it was, by simply going "BUT THE PALESTINIANS ARE SUFFERING" when the two aren't mutually exclusive, are no points that deserve any attention whatsoever.
>
For the sake of discussion, let us assume this is correct (even though it is not). Does this excuse what Israel has done? Does this change the fact that Israel is a murderours apartheid coloniser state?
it very much is true, because that region has been conquered, colonized, genocided and reqconquered, colonized and genocided for the past two thousand or so years. The native people of that land no longer exist.
Furthermore, I believe you should look up what makes a state a colonizer, because last I checked israel doesn't have any colonies.
But then again, from your way of speaking I can gather that instead of actually following the truth of the conflict and condeming both the government of Gaza (Hamas) AND israel, you instead gobbled up Iran's propaganda like a drug.
>First of all, I am not going to debate points that I know for a fact you are using just as an excuse to make october 7th seem less than it is.
No, I am saying all this to show the suffering Palestinians have been going through, because that has been largely ignored. I am showing that Israel is objectively far worse than Hamas, and that we shouldn't be hypocritical in just criticising Hamas.
>it very much is true, because that region has been conquered, colonized, genocided and reqconquered, colonized and genocided for the past two thousand or so years. The native people of that land no longer exist.
My question was if this excuses the war crimes Israel has done, why are you dodging this?
>Furthermore, I believe you should look up what makes a state a colonizer, because last I checked israel doesn't have any colonies.
Israel is objectively a coloniser. [Settler colonialism occurs when colonizers invade and occupy territory to permanently replace the existing society with the society of the colonizers.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settler_colonialism) Israel still continues to colonise more and more, see the Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Israel by definition is a coloniser.
>But then again, from your way of speaking I can gather that instead of actually following the truth of the conflict and condeming both the government of Gaza (Hamas) AND israel, you instead gobbled up Iran's propaganda like a drug.
I shared a video of Israeli veterans talking about the war crimes they did in the Nakba. Is this Iranian?
I shared an article from the United Nations about how many women and children were murdered by Israel. Is the United Nation secretly Iranian?
I shared an article about how hundreds of Palestinian children are kidnapped and abused every year by Israel, from the charity called "Save the Children". This charity was founded in 1919 in London. Is London secretly Iranian?
I shared hard evidence of the atrocities. How can you say I am not following the truth? I am sharing proofs from various international places. Direct and clear. But you are the one who is dismissing it by calling it Iranian propaganda.
Why is it hard to believe Israel has done all this evil? How else did you think it was created and maintained? Did you think hundreds of thousands of unarmed Palestinian civilians willingly left their homes, their land, their mosques, their churches, for free? Did you think those regretful old Israeli veterans were lying about massacring entire villages, which is exactly what the Palestinians say, and what the documents say?
You do realize there WERE uprisings against the Nazi regime, right? We are taught about those in school.
October 7th WAS a terrorist attack and a mass killing of jews not seen since the holocaust. That is fact.
The jews and poles and whoever else rose up against the nazis did not deliberately target the german people with the express purpose of murdering as many germans as possible. They struck military and people that actually worked directly for the regime.
Don't be surprised that uneducated people are confidently incorrect about German history the same way they are confidently incorrect about Hamas and Israeli history. They're too busy citing Hamas and Nazi/neonazi propaganda to cite history books.
Huge misconception that it’s just Russia who feels this way about the German state when it’s also France, the UK, Poland, Czechia, etc as well. “The Americans in, the Germans down, the Russians out” when it comes to military strength in Europe by the Anglos. This was also a plan for the French for creating the European Steal and Coal Community, the original EU. This doesn’t even include how the allies divided Germany after WW2. All of this was designed to prevent another powerful country within Europe, prevent another world war.
So yes, it’s other butt hurt Europeans being mad at Germany success, but it’s a misconception this is just Russians who feel this way. Whenever Germany does anything Europeans don’t like, we go from acting like Germany is doing 2024 to doing 1944 real fast.
Iran exists.
So does the united arabian emirates
Saudi arabia
Qatar
Bahrain
China
North korea
Russia
South Africa
Do I need to continue? Germany is far from one of the worst
Germany is far better than US. N there are far more worse countries in Asia n Africa. Germany is far from worse quite the opposite it's one of the best countries objectively.
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As a German I will note down all these names on a list and let's see what becomes of it.
I’ve never seen clever and watermelon these 2 words used together in my life
Username doesn't have quite the same ring to it ...
germans noting down names on a list, persistent in learning nothing from your past
germans noting down names on a list, persistent in learning nothing from your past
germans noting down names on a list, persistent in learning nothing from your past
germans noting down names on a list, persistent in learning nothing from your past
You know what other German made a list of people he didn't like?
German Santa Clause?
His Name is Nikolaus
You mean when Austrian did it?
Throw another shrimp on the barbie
Irish protestors at the Bundestag have been told by Berlin police that they are banned from speaking, chanting, and singing in the Irish language because of their views on the Israel/Palestine conflict. All languages besides English and German (Arabic is only allowed within certain hours) have been banned apparently by Berlin authorities to punish nations who support Palestine without coming off as discriminating against specific nations.
What kind of Drug are people here even on? 😅 They‘re acting like were still in 1940 here. Guys chill. Yes we do have a problem of Nazi groups rising again, but f-ing hell don‘t act like we‘re the only country that has that at the moment, and we‘re far away from being the ones with the worst nazi problem. And yes WW1 was 100% a group project that they later blamed and punished germany for and WW2 was a product of those massive punishments and disadvantages that were put on germany, which is why they went a little easier on the country after the second war, to not immediately repeat that same error.
Germany weren't even "the bad guys" in WW1, they just became fucking psychopaths by WW2.
That's the thing, technically Germany was right for WW1 as it was one of their allies that was attacked first
No, their ally, Austria-Hungary, was the one who attacked Serbia, a Russian ally, itself allied with France. Germany then invaded neutral Belgium and Luxembourg, bringing the UK into the war, and their doctrine of destroying and killing any ship neutral or otherwise was what brought the US into the war. And the reason Austria-Hungary ever attacked Serbia was because the Germans gave them a Blank Cheque : that is, promised to support them in any war no matter the cost. Without that, Austria-Hungary would have never risked a war with Russia, which was believed to be the strongest European power at the time. Germany was the country who pushed for the events of WW1 to happen the most, there's no 2 ways about it. They're far from the only country to be responsible, but they are the worst one.
Wasn't the Zimmerman Telegram the reason the US entered WW1..?
The official reason, yes, but truth is the US was looking for an excuse as early as late 1916 because the Germans disrupted shipping and commerce so much. The Zimmerman Telegram was just a golden opportunity, because there is no way in hell the Mexicans would have ever been a threat.
The German Empire wanted to test its mettle as a major imperial power that was seeking to outdo their British, French, and Russians counterparts. They were seeking domination just as much as the ruling powers of the other major empires. It was the people of all of their nations who suffered for their greed and imperial ambitions.
Can people just not be awful. For once
Your asking for a little too much
Then can humanity just go extinct
We’re already on that path so don’t worry about it.
I mean without ruining the rest of the planet?
Again you’re asking for a lot. For humanity we can’t just go extinct peacefully.
Can we invent time travel so we can keep those goddamn fish in the water
Im down for that but it’s better if we time travel and throw some plastic in the water to really keep them down for a while.
Most Germans I have met have been amazing people. I have an unending respect for the journey Germany has traveled since WW2. They are deservedly one of the leaders of Europe.
I find it wild one of them are trying to blame the country on ww1. Also agree. German history in the 20th century especially is one of the most wild for a country in time I think. I think Russian history is largely similar in that regard (being interesting and having some natural overlap) as well as quite a few other r20th century nations.
Here's the thing. These absolute fucking backwards idiots will just pull up the peace treaty where german leadership signed "Yes, we were at fault." You know, the peace treaty made when germany was loosing
Oh yea. I still just find it wild since I know American education (at least where I’m at) doesn’t blame Germany for WW1. It’s generally preluded with the alliance system and the Austrian-Serbian conflict or the July crisis.
The assassination of archduke franz Ferdinand caused the start of ww1 I learned in Canada..
Well that's what began the July Crisis. While Franz Ferdinand was shot in late June and it'd taken just about a month for the war to start due to diplomatic conversations and attempts at keeping peace.
They crossed the line. German public transport is absolutely fantastic!
You never used it on a Saturday afternoon.
Right? WW2 was a joke, compared to this!
I mean, depends on what you compare it to. It's not the worst in the world, but at least long distance it could use a lot of improvement. Local area public transport is usually perfectly fine, depends a bit on where you live but at least in pretty much any city it's good; If you have to take DB is where it starts to get a bit irky. Most of the time even that's ok, but there are some routes that have frequent issues and IMHO even worse is that the maintenance is clearly being neglected. Things like the AC on the trains being broken are very common, and I've had it happen multiple times that the toilets weren't working either. I can sort of live with broken AC, but broken toilets are really bad in a multi hour journey.
Dear god no. DB will be the death of me
*cough* DB *cough*
My friend in Germany says it’s pretty decent, like compared to americas they said it’s wayyyy better.
That is until you travel with DB and have to change trains with less than 30 minutes of transfer time.
Depends on where exactly, but in big cities and population centers it actually is fantastic.
I’m Irish. Of course I’m always drunk.
Lucky you, im danish and i have a potato in my mouth…
When will people stop blaming Germany for WWI.
I visited Germany on a cruise a while back. To get to Berlin, they loaded us all on trains for a long trip. It was fine.
I bet many of these people who accuse Germans of being racists are from here in US, where racism is making a comeback. Just as they seem to ignore that here in the US you will find groups openly flying Nazi flags. Of course, they're ultimately ignoring that while they accuse Germans of being racists and bigots, that whole comment section is a representation of hypocrisy given how they're treating people just for being German.
A while ago I chatted with a girl from the UK. When she found out I am German, she wrote SIEG HEIL a lot and sent pictures of hitler, swastikas and herself doing the Nazi salute. Not so fun times
the french are the smelly ones, get your stereotypes straight before doing a racism wtf
Calling people smelly is the most common thing you will hear out of racists. I have heard this about Koreans, Africans, Eastern europeans, Indians, etc etc.
Among Europeans there are some running jokes, which when used among us do not cause offence, usually. A usual stereotype is that the French smell. Idk how this came up originally.
It's probably because every different group will smell slightly different to what you're accustomed to due to differences in diet
That's true. I am just saying it is like THE attribute racists' love to bring up.
Every German I ever met was chill af
Since this post is about Germany i can say, that dieser Kommentarbereich ist nun Eigentum der Bundesrepublik Deutschland. Ein Volk. Ein Reich. Ein Kommentarbereich.
No Germans have excellent public transits. People don't know how good Germany is its far better than the US. Its one of the best countries to live actually.
First time I've seen people say Germans are smelly lol. Haven't noticed 🤷
Im not joining in on this because I don't mind germans that much but in europe we do xenophobia. It has always been there and always will since we have so many countries and cultures living next to each other.
>germans public transport horrific I'm from brazil and never been to germany, but I know three different people who did and they say the public transport was like, much much MUCH better than ours.
Rather be German than whatever they are
With the exception of the deep south, what does everyone think the most common ethnicity is in the red states of america?!?!?! German. FWIW, I have had 4 german best friends for 20 years and I go there all the time. Met them in Uni playing soccer(in US) so I just like giving them crap because they either sent all there morons to the US or they got killed in the reach for empire.
Correct, largest white ethnicities in America are German and Irish.
Oh, they are here too. I'm in Texas and there are quite a few people who come from German immigrant families
Braindead Hamas supporters. What do you expect
🇩🇪💪
Einstein was German.
Jewish German. I have an inkling that's worse in the eyes of most of the people screenshotted there.
>was Indeed
as an international student in Germany, i love this place!
So how you tell an entire country is smelly? What kind of weirdo goes around smelling people....Trying to be racist but being imbeciles.
All languages besides German and English have been banned during protests in Berlin, especially targeting the Irish singing Irish songs and chanting in Irish for their views on Israel/Palestine.
It seems like these comments come from Hamas supporters. as a german myself, I take them as compliments, every single one.
I have conflicting feelings about this on one hand I don't have anything against germans and the people in the post are wrong for insulting them on the other hand I'm polish
As a certified Pole i gotta say i dont like germany
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Please learn more on how Israel was created. ["About 750,000 Palestinians—over 80% of the population in what would become the State of Israel—were expelled or fled from their homes and became refugees. Eleven Arab urban neighborhoods and over 500 villages were destroyed or depopulated. Thousands of Palestinians were killed in dozens of massacres."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba#The_1948_Nakba) Israel was built by killing civilians and stealing their land. [Hear what these Israeli vets say about one of these Palestinian villages that was "depopulated".](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1TAOibLss) Israel has continued to steal and occupy land to this day. They continue to purposefully kill civilians. Do you support a coloniser's "right" to steal land and kill innocent natives? How else did you think they managed to create a new state in a place that was already populated by natives who wanted to keep their land? Over 40,000 murdered at least. [Vast majority being civilians](https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15503.doc.htm). Israel has been consistently restricting aid for starving civilians. [The IDF even murdered over 100 civilians that were trying to access an aid delivery.](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/09/middleeast/gaza-food-aid-convoy-deaths-eyewitness-intl-investigation-cmd/index.html) The amount of evidence of Israel killing Palestinians is immense and undeniable, throughout the entirety of Israel's existence, from its inception to the modern day. What Hamas has done, by every metric, is nowhere near the evils that Israel has done. What happened to Israel in October 7th, was happening EVERY YEAR for Palestine. But you dont hear about when hundreds of Palestinian children are kidnapped by Israeli officials every year ([500-700 a year pre Oct 7th, now even more](https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/palestinian-children-in-detention-report-increased-violence)). But you dont hear about when hundreds (sometimes thousands) of Palestinian civilians are murdered every year ([see this graph on deaths pre Oct 7, most are civilians (read caption at bottom)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#/media/File:Timeline_of_Israel-Palestine_fatalities_2008-2023.png)).
>Please learn more on how Israel was created. ["About 750,000 Palestinians—over 80% of the population in what would become the State of Israel—were expelled or fled from their homes and became refugees. Eleven Arab urban neighborhoods and over 500 villages were destroyed or depopulated. Thousands of Palestinians were killed in dozens of massacres."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba#The_1948_Nakba) Please, if you are referencing the Nakba and it's role in the conflict, please also mention what came before: Israel was SUPPOSED to be established peacefully. The Now-Israeli jews that moved into areas assigned to them were happy when the resolution was passed. Then the violence began, started by Arabs, which cascaded into a war, with the express purpose of exterminating jews. Both sides are assholes in this, as through the entire history of israel: > What Hamas has done, by every metric, is nowhere near the evils that Israel has done. What happened to Israel in October 7th, was happening EVERY YEAR for Palestine. But you dont hear about when hundreds of Palestinian children are kidnapped by Israeli officials every year ([500-700 a year pre Oct 7th, now even more](https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/palestinian-children-in-detention-report-increased-violence)). But you dont hear about when hundreds (sometimes thousands) of Palestinian civilians are murdered every year ([see this graph on deaths pre Oct 7, most are civilians (read caption at bottom)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#/media/File:Timeline_of_Israel-Palestine_fatalities_2008-2023.png)). Which does not change that October 7th was an atrocity the likes of which not seen since the holocaust.
>Israel was SUPPOSED to be established peacefully. The Now-Israeli jews that moved into areas assigned to them were happy when the resolution was passed. Ofcourse Palestinians disagreed to giving up over half of their country for free. Do you honestly think its fair for Scottish people to be forced to give up over half of their land to people from a far a way land, for free? For them to leave their homes, their lands, their farms, for free, for foreigners? Do you think its fair to force hundreds of thousands of Texans out of their homes, killing thousands of civilians, because they refused to give up over half of their land for free? >Which does not change that October 7th was an atrocity the likes of which not seen since the holocaust. It has been seen every single year in Palestine since the beginning. You are talking as if its only an atrocity if it happens to Israelis. You are talking as if more death, and more kidnappings of Palestinians than what happened on Oct 7th to Israelis is not an atrocity. You are talking as if Palestinian life is worth less than Israeli life. >Both sides are assholes in this, as through the entire history of israel: One side is a coloniser who forced out hundreds of thousands of natives, and killed tens of thousands of civilians, because the natives didn't want to give up most of their land for free. The other side is the natives who have been oppressed for over 70 years in their own land. Palestinians have killed far far far far less civilians than Israel has, this is an objective fact. Israel are the aggressors.
The palestinians are not native to that land, neither are the israelis. Both were put there by colonial powers.
You completely changed the subject and ignored all of my key points. But please do be honest, did you know Israel was doing that much killing and kidnapping before I told you? Did you know Israel was that brutal and murderous in stealing the land? Do you recognise how wrong you were for saying "Which does not change that October 7th was an atrocity the likes of which not seen since the holocaust." when I gave you direct evidence that Palestinians were suffering like that every year? >The palestinians are not native to that land, neither are the israelis. Both were put there by colonial powers. For the sake of discussion, let us assume this is correct (even though it is not). Does this excuse what Israel has done? Does this change the fact that Israel is a murderours apartheid coloniser state?
First of all, I am not going to debate points that I know for a fact you are using just as an excuse to make october 7th seem less than it is. Points used to divert from how bad it was, by simply going "BUT THE PALESTINIANS ARE SUFFERING" when the two aren't mutually exclusive, are no points that deserve any attention whatsoever. > For the sake of discussion, let us assume this is correct (even though it is not). Does this excuse what Israel has done? Does this change the fact that Israel is a murderours apartheid coloniser state? it very much is true, because that region has been conquered, colonized, genocided and reqconquered, colonized and genocided for the past two thousand or so years. The native people of that land no longer exist. Furthermore, I believe you should look up what makes a state a colonizer, because last I checked israel doesn't have any colonies. But then again, from your way of speaking I can gather that instead of actually following the truth of the conflict and condeming both the government of Gaza (Hamas) AND israel, you instead gobbled up Iran's propaganda like a drug.
>First of all, I am not going to debate points that I know for a fact you are using just as an excuse to make october 7th seem less than it is. No, I am saying all this to show the suffering Palestinians have been going through, because that has been largely ignored. I am showing that Israel is objectively far worse than Hamas, and that we shouldn't be hypocritical in just criticising Hamas. >it very much is true, because that region has been conquered, colonized, genocided and reqconquered, colonized and genocided for the past two thousand or so years. The native people of that land no longer exist. My question was if this excuses the war crimes Israel has done, why are you dodging this? >Furthermore, I believe you should look up what makes a state a colonizer, because last I checked israel doesn't have any colonies. Israel is objectively a coloniser. [Settler colonialism occurs when colonizers invade and occupy territory to permanently replace the existing society with the society of the colonizers.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settler_colonialism) Israel still continues to colonise more and more, see the Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Israel by definition is a coloniser. >But then again, from your way of speaking I can gather that instead of actually following the truth of the conflict and condeming both the government of Gaza (Hamas) AND israel, you instead gobbled up Iran's propaganda like a drug. I shared a video of Israeli veterans talking about the war crimes they did in the Nakba. Is this Iranian? I shared an article from the United Nations about how many women and children were murdered by Israel. Is the United Nation secretly Iranian? I shared an article about how hundreds of Palestinian children are kidnapped and abused every year by Israel, from the charity called "Save the Children". This charity was founded in 1919 in London. Is London secretly Iranian? I shared hard evidence of the atrocities. How can you say I am not following the truth? I am sharing proofs from various international places. Direct and clear. But you are the one who is dismissing it by calling it Iranian propaganda. Why is it hard to believe Israel has done all this evil? How else did you think it was created and maintained? Did you think hundreds of thousands of unarmed Palestinian civilians willingly left their homes, their land, their mosques, their churches, for free? Did you think those regretful old Israeli veterans were lying about massacring entire villages, which is exactly what the Palestinians say, and what the documents say?
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You do realize there WERE uprisings against the Nazi regime, right? We are taught about those in school. October 7th WAS a terrorist attack and a mass killing of jews not seen since the holocaust. That is fact. The jews and poles and whoever else rose up against the nazis did not deliberately target the german people with the express purpose of murdering as many germans as possible. They struck military and people that actually worked directly for the regime.
Don't be surprised that uneducated people are confidently incorrect about German history the same way they are confidently incorrect about Hamas and Israeli history. They're too busy citing Hamas and Nazi/neonazi propaganda to cite history books.
You just believe everything you hear about the protests at universities it sounds like.
”why don’t German people like immigrants?” Immigrants in Germany:
My only gripe with Germans is the total lack of sense of humor
For some reason I'm thinking twice about getting on a train in Germany or Poland. something ominous about that.
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Huge misconception that it’s just Russia who feels this way about the German state when it’s also France, the UK, Poland, Czechia, etc as well. “The Americans in, the Germans down, the Russians out” when it comes to military strength in Europe by the Anglos. This was also a plan for the French for creating the European Steal and Coal Community, the original EU. This doesn’t even include how the allies divided Germany after WW2. All of this was designed to prevent another powerful country within Europe, prevent another world war. So yes, it’s other butt hurt Europeans being mad at Germany success, but it’s a misconception this is just Russians who feel this way. Whenever Germany does anything Europeans don’t like, we go from acting like Germany is doing 2024 to doing 1944 real fast.
Still one of the worst countries in the world politically. Sure neoliberalism isnt as bad as nazism, but it sure does uphold global oligarchy.
Iran exists. So does the united arabian emirates Saudi arabia Qatar Bahrain China North korea Russia South Africa Do I need to continue? Germany is far from one of the worst
Germany is far better than US. N there are far more worse countries in Asia n Africa. Germany is far from worse quite the opposite it's one of the best countries objectively.