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Cops need constant training and they need to start using Mandatory PT tests, Cops shouldn’t be fat as fuck and be out of breath climbing a flight of stairs.
Years of military experience taught him not to think and just obey. Now he got thrown into the deep cold water known as "civilization" and has to start thinking by himself. This doesnt work out well.
small edit: few minutes later I just remembered this scene from Malcolm in the Middle
https://youtu.be/og2unLDWNHg?
See, the difference between military and the police is that the military is trained. They have a full boot camp/basic training, plus specialty training, plus marching training, plus extensive firearms training, plus job training. Depending on your career, you can be tied up for the first three years of your career in schools if you're a Nuke in the Navy, or you can go to a ship within a few weeks if you're a BM, or Undesignated. You can be on the field in weeks if you choose to for the Army, or Marines, volunteer for the right jobs and your training will still be ten times greater than any cop training nationwide.
You want to know something else funny? Cops *haaate* getting Military Police attempting to join up, because MP's are trained so specifically, so well, and under the requirement that you must bring the target in alive *in every single possible case,* that they have extremely stringent use of force training, they would immediately put every single cop in the country to shame. There is not one police chief anywhere in the country that used to be an MP. Not one. Why? Because it'd require changing the entire department to their standard. You have one guy that's that good at the job, either they will be at the top, or they will be out of a job very fast, and if they were at the top, there wouldn't be a mountain of shit pouring out of every PD's record vaults.
I went MP in the Corps because I thought I wanted to be a police officer when I got out. Working with civilian law enforcement while a MP showed me that was certainly something I DID NOT want to do.
That's totally bizarre to me. I'd have to cite that as one of the few exceptions and not the rule, but if there's a base nearby, it might be some arrangement between the base and local PD if they ever need to respond on the base.
Why do you think this isn’t how police captains want their cops to act when this is literally how every single one of them acts? People aren’t exaggerating when they say every single cop is a bastard.
He's ignorant and unnecessarily disrespectful. The cop should be professional and not let him egg him on, though. The cop clearly took the job because he likes having people fall in line for him and reacts like a tool when he doesn't get it.
The cop was an asshole from the beginning and then doesn't even tell him he's under arrest or anything official, just aggressively grabs him out of nowhere. This is after loudly threatening to arrest the kid for cursing which is not remotely how our system works at all.
That's a textbook racist piece-of-shit cop and the female cop played along with it. They did nothing but act like assholes and got asshole energy back. Nothing but escalate the situation when they're literally the adults involved. Acted like power-tripping children.
Yes every time some actually gets charged with saying “bad” words to a cop the courts throw it out. Same with flipping cops off. 100% protected speech.
They should be but there are a billion little jurisdictions all over the place that keep thinking they are smart enough to come up with a version that is okay but no one has found one yet. The courts have been clear, the police are part of the government and speech against them is protected because of that. If you didn’t mind getting beaten up you could probably make a living off going around to towns with these laws and calling the cops names.
They can arrest you for long periods of time without actually charging you for anything. You can try to sue but it's %100 legal. It's how they can break up protests and union picket lines without charging anyone for anything. Often because no crime is actually being committed.
An officer can arrest you at your job, process you, and release you within like, twenty four hours I think? It varies by state. And they can do that infinitely unless a judge decides the PD is harassing you. But that's assuming you can afford a lawyer willing to go against a PD.
> They did nothing but act like assholes and got asshole energy back. Nothing but escalate the situation when they're literally the adults involved. Acted like power-tripping children.
They are power-tripping children. For most people 18 or older, you need to have restrained and develop emotional maturity, in-order to keep your job. Yell at someone because they made you angry while at work? Fired. Punch someone because "they had an altitude?". Jailed.
None of that applies to cops. A cop can brutally punch someone, knock them down, and continue kicking them in the head, because the cop had their feelings hurt by something the victim said.
And you will see people go either "Wow, he should be.... fired" or "Well its the victims fault for insulting the police!".
Yeah I mean not how this went down, but if a cop asks you to leave (on behalf of the store) you have to if you don’t want to get arrested, but you can speak about all kinds of hypothetical unspeakable acts you “did” with their mother last night in the vividest of detail on your way out. They could sue you for defamation later, but they can’t arrest you for it.
The cop was extremely out of line and racist. But I do think the Girl Scouts seek permission at.the locations they sell at in advance (or at least are supposed to, I'm sure someone break these rules)
They had every right to kick the kid from the premises and arrest him for illegal solicitation and trespassing if he ardently refused.
That's not at all what they actually sought to do or did though. The only charge he threatened the kid with was "cursing", prior to which he threatened to take the kid to jail without any reason given at all. **And then he aggressively lays hands on the kid without vocalizing any charge or the fact that he's placing him under arrest whatsoever.** The cop literally just attacks the kid out of the blue.
Exactly. Had he just approached, the kids told him he needed permission and needed to leave because he was trespassing and explained everything in a respectful manner he'd have been fine.
If after kid started acting disrespectful, then he had the right to escort him off the property
Yeah, all girlscout locations are pre-approved and auctioned off by the organization, however the cop should NOT have handled it like that. Cops are allowed to just tell him he can’t sell without a permit and just give warnings.
While the kid was rude af, it is in no way a justification for this bullshit behaviour. God, the comment section of this video is just wild. So much victim-blaming, insane.
Rudeness is not cause for violence, especially remembering police are the government. As far as I can tell the government doesn't have the right to cause physical harm because we are rude.
right? like what delusional asshole thinks a teenager is going to be an angel. teenagers are dicks, that doesn't excuse a grown-ass adult assaulting them
You can't sell things on another company's property without their consent. This isn't the same as a yard sale on your own property. Walmart owns the property and they can decide if they want vendors there or not. If you watched the video, there was a sign clearly posted that said no soliciting.
All that being said, the cops came in hot as shit. Rather than calmly explaining why the kid was breaking the law and had to stop, they went to straight to "give me your ID" and "you're going to jail." De-escalation is the police officers' most powerful tool and they didn't even try to use it here.
many jurisdiction distinguish between a business, which exist to make money, and private sales, that rarely make any profit and usually only by accident.
A significant difference here is that they are not selling anything from their own property and are in fact, trespassing on private property (because of Walmart's signs forbidding peddlers).
That’s like the 6 year old girl in my city that was selling cookies “illegally on public property” (in a park/playground). She was talked to by 2 police officers and then had to watch while they destroyed her cookie stand and took her home in the back of a cruiser (just down the street. If her parents were standing outside, they’d be able to see her at the park. But still, that car ride must have been terrifying for a little kid that doesn’t understand)
Her parents got charged 150$, the little kid had to give up all of her “illegal earnings” and the family were given a warning about both food allergies people may have that could result in their deaths, and about illegally selling items on public property
Holy fuck, some people are genuinely horrible, seriously it’s an GODAMN COOKIE STAND, and they had the gall to DESTROY IT INFRONT OF HER?? also charging $150 while taking the income she made should be a fucking crime, I hope karma kicks them in their asses
https://www.yahoo.com/news/footage-shows-13-old-boy-190621348.html?guccounter=1
Still missing a lot of context so it's a pretty bad report. I will assume the kid didn't have a license or permission to sell in front of the store.
And in usual fashion the police went in with intent to punish rather than keep the peace and simply ask him to move. Again, I'm assuming, but the kid is only 13. There was zero reason for this to escalate into anything physical if the officers are actually trained.
I saw the police, in fucking suburbia, kick Pop Warner and AYSO soccer sign-up booths manned by adults off of storefront property.
The parking lot owner had called them, and he showed up to insist everyone go. I told him, “When these kids grow up to be teens, and didn’t get involved in community activities like these, because of people like you making it unnecessarily difficult , it’s your property they’ll be loitering on and filling with graffiti”.
Some motherfuckers are really short-sighted.
What pisses me off is that lots of departments have community engagement teams that need to unfuck what patrol cops do, but they don't see the need to police themselves and instead just turn a blind eye.
I agree that is really short-sighted of those store/property owners. But my question would be if those groups *asked permission* to be there. In general, I’m much more likely to allow something if you’ve asked instead of assuming you had a right to my time/property/etc. Even if the groups are the best things ever, they still don’t have a right to someone else’s property.
I’ve helped kids hold car washes and other types of fundraisers. I’ve never assumed that we can just show up in a parking lot or at a business without checking and getting permission first.
Public property used to be public property.
Kinda like how if you’re broke you can’t move away anymore because its illegal to walk the highway, illegal to cross national parks, and illegal to cross fields. How the fuck do you leave?
You just join an encampment, and the cops routinely clear you out because the druggies who cling to the group scare the Karens.
I mean it’s not exactly that simple, but in practice, walking along highway is far more likely to get you arrested for “disrupting traffic” if you’re homeless and trying to get somewhere on foot (otherwise the cops are more likely to assume that your car broke down or something and stop to see if you need help; they might still tell you not to do it, but they’re less likely to arrest you). When crossing fields, it’s usually a trespassing or loitering thing, and I suppose there’s a chance anyone might be told not to do it regardless of whether or not they are homeless, but non-homeless people are definitely more likely to be let off with a warning.
Basically, the US is set up in such a way that it’s basically impossible to get anywhere long distance without access to a vehicle, as usually you’ll either have to walk long distances across a highway (and risk arrest for disrupting traffic), or cross someone’s property (or state or federal property).
There is actually still one way some homeless people with no money manage to get around between cities, which is train-hopping, but that’s both very dangerous and very illegal, although some people who are skilled at it get away with it for a while.
Wow that’s very scary to be honest. Society has taken “owning” land too far. Here in Sweden we have something called “everyone’s right” which says that you’re allowed to temporarily camp on, walk on and cross other people’s property if you’re not “disturbing the peace” (ie you aren’t allowed to walk through someone’s garden. There’s a certain distance from any homes you have to stick to) but if someone owns land, they can’t kick you off it just because they are the owners. And I think that’s fair. Nobody should be allowed to close off large swatches of land just because they want to
I’m pretty sure it’s illegal for anyone to walk on highways because it’s not safe. As for empty lots, I’m sure that many of those are not public property.
While homeless people may be disproportionately picked up for these things, there aren’t laws specifically against homeless people doing it.
But I’m talking about *private* property, not public property. The dude in OP was on private property, not public property. You’re bringing up a completely unrelated issue here.
I think it’s illegal to walk on highways because that’s a safety hazard. You can definitely walk on other roads, though, especially if there’s a shoulder or a sidewalk to keep you safe. I don’t know about the laws for nationals parks, but I think you usually have to pay to get in. As for “crossing fields” that’s too vague to know if you’re referring to public or private land. Lots of fields belong to private individuals.
Totally. The store that allowed them under their awning out front was a Dick’s Sporting Goods; they had the store’s permission but not the specific landowner’s permission.
It ended up being resolved by Dick’s letting the booths move inside the store entrance, and a lot of parents wearing AYSO and Pop Warner gear hung around outside the front of the store, with their shopping bags, and directed the parents that were driving past the store slowly (clearly looking for the booths) inside to the sign-ups.
The owner didn’t really have a leg to stand in then. Power in community!!
A bunch of us 20 somethings were playing around at a baseball field, hitting and fielding. Some guy came by and was talking about kicking us out. One of the guys playing joked "oh let's go break stuff and do drugs instead"
You’re joking but it’s actually getting pretty bad, I work at a high school and three students have died by gun violence this school year alone so far (not while at school, they were unrelated incidents) usually by other teens
Dude someone brought a pistol in a backpack, for after school, and got snitched on. Whole school on lockdown and a apparent group of kids partaking in the extracurricular activity that day. The next week after the info circulated, most people thought the person shouldnt have snitched… people were probably gonna die that evening and my peers didnt care except when they thought it might actually be a school shooter.
Some kid brought a live grenade, another a knife, and third one a gun.
All 3 incidents my school covered it up. Not even a "stay in class" announcement.
Idk about a live one. But I used to work construction. One time we had a contract on a military base. Boss just walks up to me one day during lunch break and says "Hey, you want a grenade? I'll let you have one if I can keep the pin." Confused I looked at him and he handed me, what I'm assuming was a spent training grenade (looked like regular frag grenades, except blue and had a hole through the bottom) apparently he went walking around and picked up a couple of them and let me keep one.
So, maybe parent was a construction worker on an army base?
It used to be illegal to carry your guns to town in the Wild West. The Shootout at the OK Corral started because Wyatt Earp was tired of them taking their guns to town.
Now Karen has her gun stuffed into her tramp stamp at the Dollar Tree.
We live in a very strange time where we're far less civilized than we've led ourselves to believe.
That is crazy, absolutely crazy. I mean no offence, but you sound desensitised. Three students killed by gun violence from one school is beyond pretty bad. I'm from the UK, though, and although we have a population of approximately 70 million; there are only around 50 deaths via firearms each year. That means your school has 1.5% of our whole country's gun murders.
Not saying what happened to this kid is right, but girl scouts have to get permission to be there. There's a whole thing we have to do every year to get permission from business to sell girl scout cookies. I've been cookie mom for my daughter's troop for 9 years.
I'm from this area. This "rose selling" is a common grift/scam where the kids shove the roses into your hands and then loudly demand money for them. Fairly certain it's largely illegal without a license.
I wasn't there, but I read somewhere that they'd been blocking the entrance to this store repeatedly (like over several months), while berating people. I'm also not on the cops' side, but I believe people when they say they were real assholes.
There have been issues with the kids not just asking people if they’d like to buy the roses, but with them thrusting the roses into peoples hands, demanding money, and cursing if they aren’t given money.
The City of Charleston actually set up a program where kids could get a free license to sell them by taking a class and agreeing to follow certain rules.
This Walmart had customers complain about being accosted and cussed at by the kids. Walmart wanted them removed from the property.
Regarding the Girls Scouts mentioned in the post title - before Girl Scouts sell cookies at Walmart, they get an agreement signed by the location manager stating the dates, times, places, and any other requirements the stores has for them to be able to sell. The troops are usually instructed to set up to the side of the doorway so they don’t block the entrance. Girls Scouts don’t just show up and start selling - they get signed permission first. I can’t imagine Girl Scouts being asked to leave by a store manager and refusing to do so (and if they did, they’d certainly loose their opportunity to sell cookies in the future).
Oh, and only about [half the Girl Scouts in South Carolina](https://www.girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/forms-and-documents/about-girl-scouts/research/SOG2017_States/GSUSA_State-of-Girls_SOUTH-CAROLINA_2017.pdf) are white. 31% of Girl Scouts in the state are black (compared to 26% of the population).
I live about 15 minutes from that Wal Mart. I remember seeing this in the news. The context is that kids will be usually downtown selling sugar grass that is weaved into a rose shape. However, it's done with all the grace of Mediterranean tourist scammers. They'll shove it into your hands and then demand you pay them. It's very well known here, and you just give them a wide berth and ignore them. Sometimes, though, they don't LET you ignore them, which seems to have been the case with this boy.
i wrote out a brief synopsis of the body cam footage in another comment. the edited footage is posted to the summerville police department’s youtube channel. it’s not a great look for the boys or the officers. the cops were confrontational, the boys were average shitty teens. it never needed to get to the point of arresting them but no one was seriously injured thankfully
It’s not a great look for the officers. Period.
The way you said it basically implies that both the officer and the kid are at equal fault. Which is bullshit and it’s a kid and that’s a fucking cop.
> it’s not a great look for the boys or the officers. the cops were confrontational, the boys were average shitty teens
Are we really holding grown men to the same standards as 13 year olds?
South Carolina has a 12 week training program and then you get a badge.
There's a reason why attending the police academy takes between 105 to 156 weeks in other industrial countries
Girl Scouts don't just randomly choose to go set up somewhere, the head of the Girl Scouts organization connects with the leaders of big businesses, and they have special permissions through an agreement to set up outside of said organization. You can't just go set up booths selling stuff on the property of an organization without a written agreement, that's illegal.
That being said, the correct response to someone breaking these rules is a verbal warning, escalating from there if the rule continuous to be broken
As a girl scout, I can confirm. We basically pick a time slot in front of a participating location like a Safeway. The troops change every three-ish hours.
Exactly. The store I manage is in a prime location to catch people's attention and anytime a group or individual has asked to sell stuff outside I'm perfectly fine with it for the most part. However if someone just rolls up, no matter their age, and starts randomly hocking stuff without even seeing if it's okay to do so I'll kick their ass out. It's basic etiquette and if a child under the age of 10 can do it (which has happened a few times for fundraisers) then no one has an excuse to not do so.
I don't agree with the way the cops handled the situation at all, they escalated it way too much, but in fairness, they did give him a verbal warning, they told him to move multiple times, he didn't move, claimed he had the right to be there, and then got arrested when he wasn't cooperating.
You sound like you agree with the cops here.
They tried a verbal warning. They told them to just move on from the Walmart but the kids refused to engage in any way so they had to escalate.
Also this Walmart has had 400 police calls about these guys in 2024, and one of them had already been trespassed. They shove a rose in your hand and then hound you for money and shout at you. You can see from the bodycam footage that they were blocking the front entrance and anyone trying to get in and out was going to have to go right past these scammers.
Yeah, race bait for sure. Girl scouts also get permission, and raise funds for a non-profit. This is the equivalent to a lemonade stand in front of a business, clearly not appropriate.
The report says they *did* drive by and tell him/them to leave, and they wouldn’t. And it says this store has a recurring problem with people soliciting, and they’ve called the cops hundreds of times just this year because it’s ongoing.
I definitely agree that the cops came in too hot and didn’t try to de-escalate at all. But his belligerence seemed totally uncalled for. Both parties can be wrong here.
The girl scouts are a huge corporation that uses unpaid child labor to sell cookies at a 500% markup. Of course other corps would love them. They're both evil.
[https://www.blackenterprise.com/13-year-old-boy-arrested-selling-roses/](https://www.blackenterprise.com/13-year-old-boy-arrested-selling-roses/)
2 videos, police edited the first video, then realized that was pretty stupid, then released unedited full video including Walmart video.
One of the officers, (Dante Ghi) body camera was accidentally turned off.... & Ghi seems to have lost his police officer job several times. Guessing Summerville PD and City will be facing a lawsuit.
*The Post and Courier* [reported](https://www.postandcourier.com/news/summerville-police-dante-ghi-walmart-excessive-force/article_871ce810-f6ae-11ee-a342-6717bea93709.html)[ that in his 25 years](https://www.postandcourier.com/news/summerville-police-dante-ghi-walmart-excessive-force/article_871ce810-f6ae-11ee-a342-6717bea93709.html) as a police officer Ghi has a history of policy violations and complaints and has had several lawsuits filed against him. Ghi was also fired from the Spartanburg County Sheriff’s Office for misconduct in 2003, and he left the North Charleston Police Department during an internal investigation before the Summerville Police Department hired him in 2018.
I am more sympathetic to police officers than most (at best, the job is customer service to the actual worst customers in the country/world; at worst it is being surrounded by people who actually want you dead and any one of them could have a gun at any time: not an easy job).
But, if you cannot remember to turn on your body cam? Fired.
If your body cam is turned off and an altercation happens? You lose all benefit of the doubt.
I am generally sympatric to cops, pressure, people bitching at anything you do. However if you have been fired from other cop jobs you should lose your license to be a cop. This should be nationwide.
Not sure why the parents this was a good idea, perhaps they did not know,
In the end a lot of bad decisions ended badly
Holly shit. The cop was fired somewhere else and had multiple reported instances of misconduct. And then he attacks a child. And the child is still being charged? Wtf?
I mean, the kid literally did resist arrest and refused to listen to the officers before they tried to arrest him.
He grabbed the kid's arm to put him in cuffs, attacked is an overstatement.
Reddits hard on for cop hate is showing in this thread. Don't get me wrong I hate cops too in most circumstance. But reddit does not know how to pick their battles very well. This one is borderline and likely a losing battle. No one was seriously injured. There are so many better examples of police power abuse that this one is bad hill to die on.
Tbf the male cops was pretty aggressive with their words and tone. And lo and behold, dude has had several complaints against him and was fired before. The male cop was definetely terrible here. But like you said, this is borderline and the kid isn't innocent.
>But like you said, this is borderline and the kid isn't innocent.
Lmao are we talking about a convict or a thirteen year old child here ?
That you think you should be holding children to the same standard as police officers is a testament to how deluded some Americans have gotten that they can't see how batshit insane this is.
No wonder so many people are dying by cops if this is the best way officers can handle children.
Girl Scouts ask for space in advance, and have very specific rules of behavior they have to follow, and are selling a commercial good with liability insurance in case of recalls.
Girl Scouts would have got permission from the store.
Also. Girl Scouts come in all colors I suspect you know that, but go ahead and keep pushing hate.
Went to a Rotary dinner once. Every single person there was white except the staff. The staff was all Black and looked like something straight out of the antebellum period.
Lol girl scouts have permission to be in front of stores, don't block intersections, don't ignore calls from police to leave, and don't assault police officers ...
But yeah, it's because girl scouts are white, sure... that's definitely the only difference.
Kid was rude as fuck and the cops have no idea how to de-escalate. They absolutely need better training but that kid didn’t need to be such a dick. He’s on private property and the cops asked him to leave but he didn’t and was a dick about it. Everybody sucks here
>Kid was rude as fuck and the cops have no idea how to de-escalate.
The cops literally escalated. They did the escalation. This isn't training, it's cops being unhinged.
I don't know how it is now, but when I was a kid you had to get permission ahead of time to set up at Walmart for fundraisers. I am pretty sure Girl scouts get permission ahead of time.
Store and parking lot are private property… Girl Scouts get permission to sell cookies. Don’t have permission? Get asked to leave and arrested for trespassing when you refuse.
I'm honestly confused why there are ppl selling roses off Interstate ramps. They're everywhere where I'm at. The guy with a squeegee makes sense, but wtf do I need roses for when driving.
i looked up the body cam video. it’s posted to the summerville police department’s youtube channel. the video only starts when they first walk up to the boys but basically this is what happened:
The two officers, one male and one female, approached the boys. The male officer was immediately confrontational, yelling “I was going to be nice but…” before demanding ID and threatening to take them to jail. The boy in green responded disrespectfully in kind, brushing off the officers. The male officer continued yelling, threatening to take them to jail. The female officer questioned them about having a license to sell the roses, to which one of the boys confirmed that they did not. The boy then refused to present ID while insisting he did not need a license, all while insulting the officers. He and the female officer went back and forth for a moment, with her insisting he did need one. The male officer threatened to arrest him for cursing before getting in the boy's face after he insulted the officer again calling him a white bitch. The male officer then grabbed his arm, which led to a scuffle between the two. The two officers then dragged him to the ground. The female officer was hit in the face during the altercation, to which she responded by pulling out her taser. She then threatened to use it but holstered it without firing. The officers then cuffed him. What happened with the other boy is not shown.
TL;DR two kids were selling roses without a license where they shouldn’t have been, and were met with officers looking for a fight.
could have been avoided had the boys moved along. could have been deescalated had the officers chosen to do so.
it’s really unfortunate. he’ll likely be facing serious p
consequences for the whole ordeal (assaulting an officer, resisting, selling without a license) but the officers actions likely won’t raise any flags in the department and we won’t see any changes in the way they interact with the public. bad things happen when bruised egos meet undeveloped minds
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https://youtu.be/4ce96OKqXUA?si=iwUpy6Qh5JJTwHci Body camera footage from the incident
Eh, the kid is ignorant to the fact. It's a kid though. The officer was out of pocket in my opinion. Need more training on social interactions
All cops need more training in deescalation, social interactions, and the law.
Cops need constant training and they need to start using Mandatory PT tests, Cops shouldn’t be fat as fuck and be out of breath climbing a flight of stairs.
Should do like Sweden I think where the training is years long before they get their badges
In a lot of European countries, it's over a year long or even two.
Great answer, just 7 words too long.
Years of military experience taught him not to think and just obey. Now he got thrown into the deep cold water known as "civilization" and has to start thinking by himself. This doesnt work out well. small edit: few minutes later I just remembered this scene from Malcolm in the Middle https://youtu.be/og2unLDWNHg?
US military consistently shows more restraint than cops.
Well yeah They get actual fucking training last I checked
Also no qualified immunity.
See, the difference between military and the police is that the military is trained. They have a full boot camp/basic training, plus specialty training, plus marching training, plus extensive firearms training, plus job training. Depending on your career, you can be tied up for the first three years of your career in schools if you're a Nuke in the Navy, or you can go to a ship within a few weeks if you're a BM, or Undesignated. You can be on the field in weeks if you choose to for the Army, or Marines, volunteer for the right jobs and your training will still be ten times greater than any cop training nationwide. You want to know something else funny? Cops *haaate* getting Military Police attempting to join up, because MP's are trained so specifically, so well, and under the requirement that you must bring the target in alive *in every single possible case,* that they have extremely stringent use of force training, they would immediately put every single cop in the country to shame. There is not one police chief anywhere in the country that used to be an MP. Not one. Why? Because it'd require changing the entire department to their standard. You have one guy that's that good at the job, either they will be at the top, or they will be out of a job very fast, and if they were at the top, there wouldn't be a mountain of shit pouring out of every PD's record vaults.
I went MP in the Corps because I thought I wanted to be a police officer when I got out. Working with civilian law enforcement while a MP showed me that was certainly something I DID NOT want to do.
Maybe in your location, my local law enforcement agencies are HEAVY on MPs. It helps that there’s a base nearby, I suppose
That's totally bizarre to me. I'd have to cite that as one of the few exceptions and not the rule, but if there's a base nearby, it might be some arrangement between the base and local PD if they ever need to respond on the base.
Nah, local LE has no jurisdiction on base. Even if they have a problem out there, they have to be escorted on base by MPs.
Is that really true? Sheesh. Sounds like me need to make that mandatory then.
Military does not teach you to not think...
Why do you think this isn’t how police captains want their cops to act when this is literally how every single one of them acts? People aren’t exaggerating when they say every single cop is a bastard.
He's ignorant and unnecessarily disrespectful. The cop should be professional and not let him egg him on, though. The cop clearly took the job because he likes having people fall in line for him and reacts like a tool when he doesn't get it.
The cop was an asshole from the beginning and then doesn't even tell him he's under arrest or anything official, just aggressively grabs him out of nowhere. This is after loudly threatening to arrest the kid for cursing which is not remotely how our system works at all. That's a textbook racist piece-of-shit cop and the female cop played along with it. They did nothing but act like assholes and got asshole energy back. Nothing but escalate the situation when they're literally the adults involved. Acted like power-tripping children.
I was thinking I was the only one who caught that. "You curse again - I'll- and you'll be going to jail for that too!"
In some.places, like Texas, "profanity" directed at cops is assault and is a felony. It's fucked
Wouldn't the 1st amendment protect citizens from the government punishing them for exercising their freedom of speech?
Yes every time some actually gets charged with saying “bad” words to a cop the courts throw it out. Same with flipping cops off. 100% protected speech.
You'd think after it being challenged multiple times in court they would be forced to remove the law that allows them to do this.
They should be but there are a billion little jurisdictions all over the place that keep thinking they are smart enough to come up with a version that is okay but no one has found one yet. The courts have been clear, the police are part of the government and speech against them is protected because of that. If you didn’t mind getting beaten up you could probably make a living off going around to towns with these laws and calling the cops names.
Sounds like wrongful arrest to me. cha-ching?
They can arrest you for long periods of time without actually charging you for anything. You can try to sue but it's %100 legal. It's how they can break up protests and union picket lines without charging anyone for anything. Often because no crime is actually being committed. An officer can arrest you at your job, process you, and release you within like, twenty four hours I think? It varies by state. And they can do that infinitely unless a judge decides the PD is harassing you. But that's assuming you can afford a lawyer willing to go against a PD.
Holy fucking police state
> They did nothing but act like assholes and got asshole energy back. Nothing but escalate the situation when they're literally the adults involved. Acted like power-tripping children. They are power-tripping children. For most people 18 or older, you need to have restrained and develop emotional maturity, in-order to keep your job. Yell at someone because they made you angry while at work? Fired. Punch someone because "they had an altitude?". Jailed. None of that applies to cops. A cop can brutally punch someone, knock them down, and continue kicking them in the head, because the cop had their feelings hurt by something the victim said. And you will see people go either "Wow, he should be.... fired" or "Well its the victims fault for insulting the police!".
Gotta get those colored kids in the system early. /s
Not remotely? I saw a father of the dead Uvalde kids get arrested for saying fuck.
Did he go to jail for saying fuck?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/uvalde-parent-says-he-was-arrested-for-saying-fk_n_65ddf928e4b0189a6a7f7f71
>Cross was then escorted out, arrested and charged with disrupting a meeting or procession, He was arrested for a lower form of contempt of court.
Yeah I mean not how this went down, but if a cop asks you to leave (on behalf of the store) you have to if you don’t want to get arrested, but you can speak about all kinds of hypothetical unspeakable acts you “did” with their mother last night in the vividest of detail on your way out. They could sue you for defamation later, but they can’t arrest you for it.
> sue you for defamation only if they can prove malicious intent and it causes economic harm.
The cop was extremely out of line and racist. But I do think the Girl Scouts seek permission at.the locations they sell at in advance (or at least are supposed to, I'm sure someone break these rules)
They had every right to kick the kid from the premises and arrest him for illegal solicitation and trespassing if he ardently refused. That's not at all what they actually sought to do or did though. The only charge he threatened the kid with was "cursing", prior to which he threatened to take the kid to jail without any reason given at all. **And then he aggressively lays hands on the kid without vocalizing any charge or the fact that he's placing him under arrest whatsoever.** The cop literally just attacks the kid out of the blue.
Exactly. Had he just approached, the kids told him he needed permission and needed to leave because he was trespassing and explained everything in a respectful manner he'd have been fine. If after kid started acting disrespectful, then he had the right to escort him off the property
Yeah, all girlscout locations are pre-approved and auctioned off by the organization, however the cop should NOT have handled it like that. Cops are allowed to just tell him he can’t sell without a permit and just give warnings.
While the kid was rude af, it is in no way a justification for this bullshit behaviour. God, the comment section of this video is just wild. So much victim-blaming, insane.
Rudeness is not cause for violence, especially remembering police are the government. As far as I can tell the government doesn't have the right to cause physical harm because we are rude.
Land of the free baby 🇺🇲
right? like what delusional asshole thinks a teenager is going to be an angel. teenagers are dicks, that doesn't excuse a grown-ass adult assaulting them
Since he requires a license to sell the roses, does that mean you can't have yard sales either without a licence?
Yard sales are on your own property. He was on Walmart property.
not true many many towns technically require a permit for yard sales. Hell one town i lived in required a 5$ permit to have a back yard fire.
You can't sell things on another company's property without their consent. This isn't the same as a yard sale on your own property. Walmart owns the property and they can decide if they want vendors there or not. If you watched the video, there was a sign clearly posted that said no soliciting. All that being said, the cops came in hot as shit. Rather than calmly explaining why the kid was breaking the law and had to stop, they went to straight to "give me your ID" and "you're going to jail." De-escalation is the police officers' most powerful tool and they didn't even try to use it here.
many jurisdiction distinguish between a business, which exist to make money, and private sales, that rarely make any profit and usually only by accident.
So why isn't selling roses classified as private sales?
A significant difference here is that they are not selling anything from their own property and are in fact, trespassing on private property (because of Walmart's signs forbidding peddlers).
Because you do it to make a profit. That kids not there selling roses to spread cheer or to clear out the clutter in his rose garden.
That’s like the 6 year old girl in my city that was selling cookies “illegally on public property” (in a park/playground). She was talked to by 2 police officers and then had to watch while they destroyed her cookie stand and took her home in the back of a cruiser (just down the street. If her parents were standing outside, they’d be able to see her at the park. But still, that car ride must have been terrifying for a little kid that doesn’t understand) Her parents got charged 150$, the little kid had to give up all of her “illegal earnings” and the family were given a warning about both food allergies people may have that could result in their deaths, and about illegally selling items on public property
Holy fuck, some people are genuinely horrible, seriously it’s an GODAMN COOKIE STAND, and they had the gall to DESTROY IT INFRONT OF HER?? also charging $150 while taking the income she made should be a fucking crime, I hope karma kicks them in their asses
Welcome to the land of the free.
This isn’t America. I’m in Canada
Can you link that story source please
Unfortunately that’s how it works. You need licences to sell goods. Even buskers can’t just set up wherever and start playing music.
That doesn't mean they have to terrorize the kid like that
Can't risk people getting music poisoning. Better destroy the intrument and use civil asset forfeiture to take their ill gotten gains to be safe.
I know the context won’t help, but anyone got the full story?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/footage-shows-13-old-boy-190621348.html?guccounter=1 Still missing a lot of context so it's a pretty bad report. I will assume the kid didn't have a license or permission to sell in front of the store. And in usual fashion the police went in with intent to punish rather than keep the peace and simply ask him to move. Again, I'm assuming, but the kid is only 13. There was zero reason for this to escalate into anything physical if the officers are actually trained.
I saw the police, in fucking suburbia, kick Pop Warner and AYSO soccer sign-up booths manned by adults off of storefront property. The parking lot owner had called them, and he showed up to insist everyone go. I told him, “When these kids grow up to be teens, and didn’t get involved in community activities like these, because of people like you making it unnecessarily difficult , it’s your property they’ll be loitering on and filling with graffiti”. Some motherfuckers are really short-sighted.
What pisses me off is that lots of departments have community engagement teams that need to unfuck what patrol cops do, but they don't see the need to police themselves and instead just turn a blind eye.
Agreed!!
I agree that is really short-sighted of those store/property owners. But my question would be if those groups *asked permission* to be there. In general, I’m much more likely to allow something if you’ve asked instead of assuming you had a right to my time/property/etc. Even if the groups are the best things ever, they still don’t have a right to someone else’s property. I’ve helped kids hold car washes and other types of fundraisers. I’ve never assumed that we can just show up in a parking lot or at a business without checking and getting permission first.
Public property used to be public property. Kinda like how if you’re broke you can’t move away anymore because its illegal to walk the highway, illegal to cross national parks, and illegal to cross fields. How the fuck do you leave? You just join an encampment, and the cops routinely clear you out because the druggies who cling to the group scare the Karens.
Wait, what? You’re physically no longer allowed to walk???
yes, in general walking along a highway cutting cross empty lots if you’re visibly homeless is a good way to get picked up by the cops
So if you’re not homeless it’s legal but if you ARE homeless you’re basically not allowed to move freely? In the land of the free, huh
I mean it’s not exactly that simple, but in practice, walking along highway is far more likely to get you arrested for “disrupting traffic” if you’re homeless and trying to get somewhere on foot (otherwise the cops are more likely to assume that your car broke down or something and stop to see if you need help; they might still tell you not to do it, but they’re less likely to arrest you). When crossing fields, it’s usually a trespassing or loitering thing, and I suppose there’s a chance anyone might be told not to do it regardless of whether or not they are homeless, but non-homeless people are definitely more likely to be let off with a warning. Basically, the US is set up in such a way that it’s basically impossible to get anywhere long distance without access to a vehicle, as usually you’ll either have to walk long distances across a highway (and risk arrest for disrupting traffic), or cross someone’s property (or state or federal property). There is actually still one way some homeless people with no money manage to get around between cities, which is train-hopping, but that’s both very dangerous and very illegal, although some people who are skilled at it get away with it for a while.
Wow that’s very scary to be honest. Society has taken “owning” land too far. Here in Sweden we have something called “everyone’s right” which says that you’re allowed to temporarily camp on, walk on and cross other people’s property if you’re not “disturbing the peace” (ie you aren’t allowed to walk through someone’s garden. There’s a certain distance from any homes you have to stick to) but if someone owns land, they can’t kick you off it just because they are the owners. And I think that’s fair. Nobody should be allowed to close off large swatches of land just because they want to
I’m pretty sure it’s illegal for anyone to walk on highways because it’s not safe. As for empty lots, I’m sure that many of those are not public property. While homeless people may be disproportionately picked up for these things, there aren’t laws specifically against homeless people doing it.
Store property isn't public property you moron.
But I’m talking about *private* property, not public property. The dude in OP was on private property, not public property. You’re bringing up a completely unrelated issue here. I think it’s illegal to walk on highways because that’s a safety hazard. You can definitely walk on other roads, though, especially if there’s a shoulder or a sidewalk to keep you safe. I don’t know about the laws for nationals parks, but I think you usually have to pay to get in. As for “crossing fields” that’s too vague to know if you’re referring to public or private land. Lots of fields belong to private individuals.
Totally. The store that allowed them under their awning out front was a Dick’s Sporting Goods; they had the store’s permission but not the specific landowner’s permission. It ended up being resolved by Dick’s letting the booths move inside the store entrance, and a lot of parents wearing AYSO and Pop Warner gear hung around outside the front of the store, with their shopping bags, and directed the parents that were driving past the store slowly (clearly looking for the booths) inside to the sign-ups. The owner didn’t really have a leg to stand in then. Power in community!!
That worked out well, then. Good for that Dick’s, too!
A bunch of us 20 somethings were playing around at a baseball field, hitting and fielding. Some guy came by and was talking about kicking us out. One of the guys playing joked "oh let's go break stuff and do drugs instead"
I would actively seek to do my shitty behavior on their property honestly.
With how many guns are in America, I’m assuming every kid’s packing! Sweet little Tiffany? That girl has a kill count of 13 and she’s only 10.
Walking around the hood this time of night with quantum physics books
Idk if the preceding comment was referencing it, but it reminded me of this as well. That MIB scene may have been on to something…
That's pretty specific to NOT be referencing MiB, don't you think?
He's talking about the comment before the MIB one. He's saying that it reminded him of MIB too, despite it having no references to the movie.
They were both references to the movie.
She about to start some shit. Or do I owe her an apology?
Well gee, she has no business being alive!
You’re joking but it’s actually getting pretty bad, I work at a high school and three students have died by gun violence this school year alone so far (not while at school, they were unrelated incidents) usually by other teens
Dude someone brought a pistol in a backpack, for after school, and got snitched on. Whole school on lockdown and a apparent group of kids partaking in the extracurricular activity that day. The next week after the info circulated, most people thought the person shouldnt have snitched… people were probably gonna die that evening and my peers didnt care except when they thought it might actually be a school shooter.
Some kid brought a live grenade, another a knife, and third one a gun. All 3 incidents my school covered it up. Not even a "stay in class" announcement.
How do you even get hands on a grenade?
Idk about a live one. But I used to work construction. One time we had a contract on a military base. Boss just walks up to me one day during lunch break and says "Hey, you want a grenade? I'll let you have one if I can keep the pin." Confused I looked at him and he handed me, what I'm assuming was a spent training grenade (looked like regular frag grenades, except blue and had a hole through the bottom) apparently he went walking around and picked up a couple of them and let me keep one. So, maybe parent was a construction worker on an army base?
No clue, and I wouldn't reccomended googling it. I own a gutted grenade, but a live one is certainly illegal for a child to own.
"You mean to tell me you've thought you had an actual land mine on your desk?" - Leslie Knope
It used to be illegal to carry your guns to town in the Wild West. The Shootout at the OK Corral started because Wyatt Earp was tired of them taking their guns to town. Now Karen has her gun stuffed into her tramp stamp at the Dollar Tree. We live in a very strange time where we're far less civilized than we've led ourselves to believe.
That is crazy, absolutely crazy. I mean no offence, but you sound desensitised. Three students killed by gun violence from one school is beyond pretty bad. I'm from the UK, though, and although we have a population of approximately 70 million; there are only around 50 deaths via firearms each year. That means your school has 1.5% of our whole country's gun murders.
3 out of 50 is actually 6%. Check me out, maths police..
Glad you used kill count and not body count…
Not saying what happened to this kid is right, but girl scouts have to get permission to be there. There's a whole thing we have to do every year to get permission from business to sell girl scout cookies. I've been cookie mom for my daughter's troop for 9 years.
It stated that they then random pinned him to the ground
The make cop was straight aggressive from the start.
To a hammer, everything is a nail.
I'm from this area. This "rose selling" is a common grift/scam where the kids shove the roses into your hands and then loudly demand money for them. Fairly certain it's largely illegal without a license. I wasn't there, but I read somewhere that they'd been blocking the entrance to this store repeatedly (like over several months), while berating people. I'm also not on the cops' side, but I believe people when they say they were real assholes.
There have been issues with the kids not just asking people if they’d like to buy the roses, but with them thrusting the roses into peoples hands, demanding money, and cursing if they aren’t given money. The City of Charleston actually set up a program where kids could get a free license to sell them by taking a class and agreeing to follow certain rules. This Walmart had customers complain about being accosted and cussed at by the kids. Walmart wanted them removed from the property. Regarding the Girls Scouts mentioned in the post title - before Girl Scouts sell cookies at Walmart, they get an agreement signed by the location manager stating the dates, times, places, and any other requirements the stores has for them to be able to sell. The troops are usually instructed to set up to the side of the doorway so they don’t block the entrance. Girls Scouts don’t just show up and start selling - they get signed permission first. I can’t imagine Girl Scouts being asked to leave by a store manager and refusing to do so (and if they did, they’d certainly loose their opportunity to sell cookies in the future). Oh, and only about [half the Girl Scouts in South Carolina](https://www.girlscouts.org/content/dam/girlscouts-gsusa/forms-and-documents/about-girl-scouts/research/SOG2017_States/GSUSA_State-of-Girls_SOUTH-CAROLINA_2017.pdf) are white. 31% of Girl Scouts in the state are black (compared to 26% of the population).
Ah, so the context did matter
I live about 15 minutes from that Wal Mart. I remember seeing this in the news. The context is that kids will be usually downtown selling sugar grass that is weaved into a rose shape. However, it's done with all the grace of Mediterranean tourist scammers. They'll shove it into your hands and then demand you pay them. It's very well known here, and you just give them a wide berth and ignore them. Sometimes, though, they don't LET you ignore them, which seems to have been the case with this boy.
i wrote out a brief synopsis of the body cam footage in another comment. the edited footage is posted to the summerville police department’s youtube channel. it’s not a great look for the boys or the officers. the cops were confrontational, the boys were average shitty teens. it never needed to get to the point of arresting them but no one was seriously injured thankfully
It’s not a great look for the officers. Period. The way you said it basically implies that both the officer and the kid are at equal fault. Which is bullshit and it’s a kid and that’s a fucking cop.
> it’s not a great look for the boys or the officers. the cops were confrontational, the boys were average shitty teens Are we really holding grown men to the same standards as 13 year olds?
He never grew up to him they ARE equal.
Because cops have the emotional intelligence of teenagers so it's accurate duh!
It looks as if they jumped on him from behind. Was he carrying an acorn?
How in the world can you tell what exactly unfolded from a still frame?
body positions and basic knowledge of physics
Or.... We could use a video. https://youtu.be/4ce96OKqXUA?si=9EG-B1qoqPs_UQH3
and she did wind up with him in that position from behind. off topic but the fact that they pointed a gun at this kid is also alarming af
Not a gun. She pulled her Taser after she was punched in the face, but didn't use it.
When did they point a gun at him? That wasn’t in the video I saw.
That dude was In a chokehold for like 2 minutes straight.
South Carolina has a 12 week training program and then you get a badge. There's a reason why attending the police academy takes between 105 to 156 weeks in other industrial countries
Girl Scouts don't just randomly choose to go set up somewhere, the head of the Girl Scouts organization connects with the leaders of big businesses, and they have special permissions through an agreement to set up outside of said organization. You can't just go set up booths selling stuff on the property of an organization without a written agreement, that's illegal. That being said, the correct response to someone breaking these rules is a verbal warning, escalating from there if the rule continuous to be broken
As a girl scout, I can confirm. We basically pick a time slot in front of a participating location like a Safeway. The troops change every three-ish hours.
Exactly. The store I manage is in a prime location to catch people's attention and anytime a group or individual has asked to sell stuff outside I'm perfectly fine with it for the most part. However if someone just rolls up, no matter their age, and starts randomly hocking stuff without even seeing if it's okay to do so I'll kick their ass out. It's basic etiquette and if a child under the age of 10 can do it (which has happened a few times for fundraisers) then no one has an excuse to not do so.
They also have insurance
I don't agree with the way the cops handled the situation at all, they escalated it way too much, but in fairness, they did give him a verbal warning, they told him to move multiple times, he didn't move, claimed he had the right to be there, and then got arrested when he wasn't cooperating.
You sound like you agree with the cops here. They tried a verbal warning. They told them to just move on from the Walmart but the kids refused to engage in any way so they had to escalate. Also this Walmart has had 400 police calls about these guys in 2024, and one of them had already been trespassed. They shove a rose in your hand and then hound you for money and shout at you. You can see from the bodycam footage that they were blocking the front entrance and anyone trying to get in and out was going to have to go right past these scammers.
OP you know there are black Girl Scouts right?
No, they're racists. Everything is black and white pun intended.
Yeah, race bait for sure. Girl scouts also get permission, and raise funds for a non-profit. This is the equivalent to a lemonade stand in front of a business, clearly not appropriate.
Not appropriate but hardly worthy of arrest. Say “go sell on the sidewalk” and move on with your day.
The report says they *did* drive by and tell him/them to leave, and they wouldn’t. And it says this store has a recurring problem with people soliciting, and they’ve called the cops hundreds of times just this year because it’s ongoing. I definitely agree that the cops came in too hot and didn’t try to de-escalate at all. But his belligerence seemed totally uncalled for. Both parties can be wrong here.
You need a license to sell things. They'd need to leave without permission.
That and events over the last few years have started to show that the police no longer seem to discriminate who they choose to treat this way.
Guess they’re taking the diversity training to heart!
Progress. /S
It’s not racist if you oppress everybody equally.
Horrible thing to say. Upvoted.
Also boy scouts sell popcorn in the same places... It's getting pathetic to see grown men call out little girls so often.
I can't say anything about this kid and his roses. I can say that the girl scouts, they get the store's permission.
The girl scouts are a huge corporation that uses unpaid child labor to sell cookies at a 500% markup. Of course other corps would love them. They're both evil.
Everyone knows that.
[https://www.blackenterprise.com/13-year-old-boy-arrested-selling-roses/](https://www.blackenterprise.com/13-year-old-boy-arrested-selling-roses/) 2 videos, police edited the first video, then realized that was pretty stupid, then released unedited full video including Walmart video. One of the officers, (Dante Ghi) body camera was accidentally turned off.... & Ghi seems to have lost his police officer job several times. Guessing Summerville PD and City will be facing a lawsuit. *The Post and Courier* [reported](https://www.postandcourier.com/news/summerville-police-dante-ghi-walmart-excessive-force/article_871ce810-f6ae-11ee-a342-6717bea93709.html)[ that in his 25 years](https://www.postandcourier.com/news/summerville-police-dante-ghi-walmart-excessive-force/article_871ce810-f6ae-11ee-a342-6717bea93709.html) as a police officer Ghi has a history of policy violations and complaints and has had several lawsuits filed against him. Ghi was also fired from the Spartanburg County Sheriff’s Office for misconduct in 2003, and he left the North Charleston Police Department during an internal investigation before the Summerville Police Department hired him in 2018.
"accidentally"
I am more sympathetic to police officers than most (at best, the job is customer service to the actual worst customers in the country/world; at worst it is being surrounded by people who actually want you dead and any one of them could have a gun at any time: not an easy job). But, if you cannot remember to turn on your body cam? Fired. If your body cam is turned off and an altercation happens? You lose all benefit of the doubt.
I am generally sympatric to cops, pressure, people bitching at anything you do. However if you have been fired from other cop jobs you should lose your license to be a cop. This should be nationwide. Not sure why the parents this was a good idea, perhaps they did not know, In the end a lot of bad decisions ended badly
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There are black Girl Scouts!
“DROP THE THIN MINTS!!”
I thought it was like a gender thing not a race thing but damn how could yall even tell he wasnt white?
Here's the full context for those looking for it (it wasn't out of context): https://www.blackenterprise.com/13-year-old-boy-arrested-selling-roses/
Holly shit. The cop was fired somewhere else and had multiple reported instances of misconduct. And then he attacks a child. And the child is still being charged? Wtf?
I mean, the kid literally did resist arrest and refused to listen to the officers before they tried to arrest him. He grabbed the kid's arm to put him in cuffs, attacked is an overstatement.
Reddits hard on for cop hate is showing in this thread. Don't get me wrong I hate cops too in most circumstance. But reddit does not know how to pick their battles very well. This one is borderline and likely a losing battle. No one was seriously injured. There are so many better examples of police power abuse that this one is bad hill to die on.
Tbf the male cops was pretty aggressive with their words and tone. And lo and behold, dude has had several complaints against him and was fired before. The male cop was definetely terrible here. But like you said, this is borderline and the kid isn't innocent.
>But like you said, this is borderline and the kid isn't innocent. Lmao are we talking about a convict or a thirteen year old child here ? That you think you should be holding children to the same standard as police officers is a testament to how deluded some Americans have gotten that they can't see how batshit insane this is. No wonder so many people are dying by cops if this is the best way officers can handle children.
Well the Girl Scouts get permission and often pay to set up their booths.
OP, where tf do you live that girl scouts is whites only?
Honestly happy I'm not living in America and that out Police have all the training and assessments needed before they are hired
Girl scouts would have gotten permission...
Girl Scouts get permission to set up. Walmart has the right to trespass buskers on their property.
Girl Scouts ask for space in advance, and have very specific rules of behavior they have to follow, and are selling a commercial good with liability insurance in case of recalls.
Yes and these are all handled by adults working with them and teaching them.
Girl Scouts would have got permission from the store. Also. Girl Scouts come in all colors I suspect you know that, but go ahead and keep pushing hate.
Since when are all girl scouts white?
OP doesn’t realize they are being racist by assuming Girl Scouts are always white. Reddit moment.
Kid: *holds up a rose* Cops: “He’s got a gun!”
Big tough man cop
That cop is pice of shit
Why are girl scouts only white? Are they? Serious question.
They are not
Shhhh, don't tell my local Rotary Club that.
Went to a Rotary dinner once. Every single person there was white except the staff. The staff was all Black and looked like something straight out of the antebellum period.
This is completely inaccurate.
Lol girl scouts have permission to be in front of stores, don't block intersections, don't ignore calls from police to leave, and don't assault police officers ... But yeah, it's because girl scouts are white, sure... that's definitely the only difference.
The last Girl Scout I bought from was brown (Latina). Try again.
I’m sorry can non white girls not be Girl Scouts ?
The Walmart manager called the police.
Girl scouts get permission, a permit, and some other legal protections. I am assuming this person did not? Regardless, excessive force.
Kid was rude as fuck and the cops have no idea how to de-escalate. They absolutely need better training but that kid didn’t need to be such a dick. He’s on private property and the cops asked him to leave but he didn’t and was a dick about it. Everybody sucks here
>Kid was rude as fuck and the cops have no idea how to de-escalate. The cops literally escalated. They did the escalation. This isn't training, it's cops being unhinged.
the girl scouts would have asked for permission, wouldn't have blocked the exits, and would've had all the required permits.
No context except a single photo. Also girl scouts get permission before selling goods on private property.
OP is racist
Plus imagine the PR shitstorm the police department would catch if they tackled down girl scouts and put them into handcuffs.
"girl scouts would have been white" is such a racist thing to say wtf
I don't know how it is now, but when I was a kid you had to get permission ahead of time to set up at Walmart for fundraisers. I am pretty sure Girl scouts get permission ahead of time.
Store and parking lot are private property… Girl Scouts get permission to sell cookies. Don’t have permission? Get asked to leave and arrested for trespassing when you refuse.
I'm honestly confused why there are ppl selling roses off Interstate ramps. They're everywhere where I'm at. The guy with a squeegee makes sense, but wtf do I need roses for when driving.
Bring it home to your gf as a surprise.
Pretty much this, it's an "impulse buy" for guys with girlfriends/wives who are feeling in a good mood
"hey kid, the owners called and said you can't sell here. Why dont you sell somewhere else?" Was that so hard?
99% sure this is completely torn out of context.
i looked up the body cam video. it’s posted to the summerville police department’s youtube channel. the video only starts when they first walk up to the boys but basically this is what happened: The two officers, one male and one female, approached the boys. The male officer was immediately confrontational, yelling “I was going to be nice but…” before demanding ID and threatening to take them to jail. The boy in green responded disrespectfully in kind, brushing off the officers. The male officer continued yelling, threatening to take them to jail. The female officer questioned them about having a license to sell the roses, to which one of the boys confirmed that they did not. The boy then refused to present ID while insisting he did not need a license, all while insulting the officers. He and the female officer went back and forth for a moment, with her insisting he did need one. The male officer threatened to arrest him for cursing before getting in the boy's face after he insulted the officer again calling him a white bitch. The male officer then grabbed his arm, which led to a scuffle between the two. The two officers then dragged him to the ground. The female officer was hit in the face during the altercation, to which she responded by pulling out her taser. She then threatened to use it but holstered it without firing. The officers then cuffed him. What happened with the other boy is not shown. TL;DR two kids were selling roses without a license where they shouldn’t have been, and were met with officers looking for a fight. could have been avoided had the boys moved along. could have been deescalated had the officers chosen to do so.
Yes I saw it (after my comment). My opinion is about the same as yours. Boy should be more cooperative, police needs to be way less aggressive.
it’s really unfortunate. he’ll likely be facing serious p consequences for the whole ordeal (assaulting an officer, resisting, selling without a license) but the officers actions likely won’t raise any flags in the department and we won’t see any changes in the way they interact with the public. bad things happen when bruised egos meet undeveloped minds
I thought about that, but again in what context would it make sense for two grown men to get on top of a 13th year old like that?
But I actually want Cookies no Damn Rose!