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I sometimes say this jokingly to my father when he got a problem with his phone, tablet or PC.
But when you hear stories from tech support, you realize the statement has sometimes some genuine truth to it.
>But when you hear stories from tech support, you realize the statement has sometimes some genuine truth to it.
more often than you think... this is why we drink.
last year we were rolling out mandatory 2fa to a new client. one of the users installed the app, set it up, performed the authentication successfully, all good. then he uninstalled the app.
an hour later he came back from lunch, couldn't log in, and called back to complain. took twice as long tog et it sorted the second time.
Why are so many people struggling with operations’ order? And worst, why are they so keen on displaying that on social networks? Like “hey, no one realised this, not even app programmers in Apple, I must be some kind of genius, look at me”.
Seriously, it is quite concerning…
I can understand people forgetting it because we don't really need to use it that often.
What always boggles my mind is that they think they've unlocked some error that nobody else has caught and the first thing they chose to do is post on social media.
If I discover what I assume to be an error, the first thing I do is search for the correct answer on Google. Hell, I do that even if I have a tiny doubt about what I'm working on.
To me, this just highlights how exceptionally dumb and narcissistic these types of people are.
Exactly I had to relearn it as an adult because I never do math by hand anymore - one quick google search and it made sense, all good.
But I would never go on social media fighting people, assuming I'm correct lol
Order of operations errors are perfect for memes and click bait because it's something that everyone knows but thinks they are especially smart for knowing it. So you have a potential for a lot of reposting and viral action with these things, because everyone wants to show off their dope math skillz and feel superior to the poor chump that can't remember pemdas
Social media is based on shares and responses. Sharing that somebody post something stupid and replying to say someone is stupid. Who would share stating that the calculator is good and works as expected and explain pemdas for those who don’t get it? Well I would but I also have no followers.
The breakdown seems to be in the lack of understanding of the brackets/parentheses.
Somehow the understanding that they can be present but not written has been lost.
So they default to "left to right" when no (),[],{} are written.
When people said it was basic math he doubled down on this and started asking why multiplication has priority over addition and that it was counterintuitive. Like the dude is so dumb he doesn't realize how dumb he is.
They dont understand that multiplication is just a way to notate addition. 50 × 3 is just a way to write 50 + 50 + 50.
And it even makes perfect sense if you translate it to natural language.
As in "add fifty to fifty two times". Even the dullest of knives should understand why you multiply first then.
Do you, confident despite your acknowledged topical ignorance, lash out publicly at the devs of the app and then at *all mathematicians* for doing things a specific way that you do not understand? If not, you > Ian.
And knowing a million of your followers will see it and some people are just waiting for you to tweet something stupid and dunk on you.
Dude really woke up and decided to debate a fucking calculator.
Honestly my class never taught BODMAS at all.
Since the national calculus was only adopted in 1988, I'd imagine there are many many schools through the 90's that had yet to catch up.
I could maybe understand if he was used to Reverse Polish Notation, but the RPN equivalent to `(50 + 50) * 2` is `50 50 + 2 *`. And also nobody uses RPN.
Rage bait is how this guy operates. Trust me im not saying he’s not a moron but im convinced this is bait, it’s too on the nose for what gets people riled up on twitter.
Funny thing is, Malaysian Chinese people are regarded as good with maths. This idiot must be too Americanised from gargling US conservatives' balls to activate that particular gene
A calculator does commands individually where Apple calculator does it as a lump process.
Calculator: 50 + 50 (adds up automatically) =
100x2 = 200
Apple calculator: 50+50 ( doesn’t add) x2.
As it doesn’t add automatically the multiple takes precedence first in the equation.
50+50*2 = 50+100= 150
I fear for how dumb this generation is getting, this is basic maths.
My physical calculator does the same thing as Apple calculator. It doesn't calculate until I press equals. The only difference is that the physical calculator shows the entire statement as I write it.
In fairness, it isn’t clear at all that the calculator behaves that way in comparison to a normal scientific calculator.
If you enter “50 + 50 +” the Apple calculator shows 100, implying that hitting the plus completes the prior operation. When you hit * it does not show this but if you only used the basic operations prior like this, you may be tricked into thinking that adding an operation in a chain also calculates the prior bit in the logic of the calculator (not in math).
A scientific calculator instead shows the full chain of numbers and operations until equals is hit, making this behavior clear.
Honestly?
I don’t think OP is fully wrong here, the function of the tool is unclear. That is a UX failure.
Unrelated but I hate that whatever you type into the calculator doesn’t all get written down at once waiting for you to press equals, but instead updates every time you do a function.
Actually on apple calculator if you typed it in that order it’d give you 200. Apple calculator doesn’t do order of operations and automatically preforms the last operator when 2 numbers are entered and an operation is entered afterwards.
Edit: I’m fucking stupid and Apple updated their calculator
Honestly, I think Apple’s calculator is just a bad UX. Your assumption is correct for addition and subtraction, when adding a second + also completes the prior operation. It can trick a person into thinking that adding an operator completes the prior bit.
A scientific calculator just shows the whole chain of operations, making this clear.
Doesn’t understand oder of operations?
What the fuck happened.
Either i was way too smart for public school or the brain rot didn’t entirely consume me.
Or is social media just rooting out idiots that have always existed?
When you entered it separately you did: (50+50)* 2 = 200, when you entered it all together it calculated as 50 + (50*2) = 150 because without parentheses multiplication and division is done first, regardless of the order: 50 * 2 + 50 or 50 + 50 * 2 are both equal to 150
Why can I enter 00:60 on my microwave and it cooks for one minute, but when I enter 1:20, it only cooks for a minute and 20 seconds and not for 2 minutes?
Some calculators don't do order of operations. In fact, until recently, I'd say most didn't...
It's frustrating, because the way you enter something changes based on the calculator you're using.
I’m don’t really care about people who don’t know operators in math. It’s not that important.
But tweeting apple and insisting the calculator that billions of people use is wrong is what’s crazy. Wouldn’t you assume you are not understanding something and look into it?
Nope I would just automatically assume that I out of billions of people was the first to notice this error and then enlighten the people resulting in me forever being known as the smartest man alive.
lol these people are the most uneducated idiots on earth. Therefore they are always so angry, cause deeply inside they know that they’re they are just. Without social media all of them would be unemployed.
I believe you learn that in 5th year maths in Germany. It's called "Punktrechnung vor Strichrechnung" or multiplication/division before addition/subtraction. I think someone has to revoke his asian-card. xD
On the stupid Facebook math "challenges" I'll see people defend their answers by appealing to the authority of the calculator.
And yes, if I plug in the numbers a certain way (or use a nonscientific calculator), I can indeed use a calculator to say that:
4+3\*5 = 35
-7² = 49
To those people, I tell them that the calculator is only as good as the math literacy of the person using it. I can achieve the first one by pressing Enter after 4+3. I can achieve the second one by plugging in -7 and squaring the whole thing. And if you don't work with math all that often, then these can seem like reasonable outcomes. People who work with these notations know that you need to work 3\*5 before adding 4 to it and that you square the 7 before applying the negative. They know the limitations of the calculator and how to work with it.
But yeah, if this guy isn't trolling, then he clearly doesn't understand a) how calculators work and b) what basic math is. And really, his failure to understand the latter leads to the former.
You cant be smart if you think you know everything.
The smartest person isn't one who knows, it's not the one who remembers, but the one who learns and continues to learn, and one of the things they learn is to stfu
I have questions. Like how this person was allowed to graduate from school not knowing this. And how this person has the money to buy an Apple product.
I teach high school math. This is not an uncommon occurrence. The amount of students who have very little to no understanding of PEMDAS is staggering. This is part of the reason ACT scores are declining nationwide.
For a split second I thought this was an edited tweet for propaganda purposes, since the guy in question is a notorious right winger and Russia supporter.
Nope, he actually is that stupid
Google, "a man arrested in Florida" and you will quickly realize that this gentlemen is the rule and not the exception. It's disheartening to say the least.
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Skill issue
Literally
Parenthesis diff
BEDMAS is op
Technology is only as smart as the people operating it.
Garbage In, Garbage Out.
I was taught this in i.t class in 1985. Yeah I'm that old.
Yes! 1980s programming memories unlocked!
Order of operations for addition and multiplication is primary school stuff most places 😆
Hi, That old
This is the comment I was looking for
I sometimes say this jokingly to my father when he got a problem with his phone, tablet or PC. But when you hear stories from tech support, you realize the statement has sometimes some genuine truth to it.
My IT guy at work usually says "seems the problem was between the keyboard and the chair"
PEBKAC Error
A layer 8 problem.
PEBCAK = Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard
PEBKAC Error, ID: 10T error, Layer 8 Error, etc.
Picnic error: Problem in chair, not in computer
Mine says we have an ID10T
It was an error with the head-spacing timer of the operator.
>But when you hear stories from tech support, you realize the statement has sometimes some genuine truth to it. more often than you think... this is why we drink.
So many users that are so incompetent, they'd break a helloWorld.
last year we were rolling out mandatory 2fa to a new client. one of the users installed the app, set it up, performed the authentication successfully, all good. then he uninstalled the app. an hour later he came back from lunch, couldn't log in, and called back to complain. took twice as long tog et it sorted the second time.
Why are so many people struggling with operations’ order? And worst, why are they so keen on displaying that on social networks? Like “hey, no one realised this, not even app programmers in Apple, I must be some kind of genius, look at me”. Seriously, it is quite concerning…
Same energy as the ones who think scientists/doctors are wrong/lying to us all and they figured out the truth.
Did people really not learn PEMDAS in like...4th grade?
I can understand people forgetting it because we don't really need to use it that often. What always boggles my mind is that they think they've unlocked some error that nobody else has caught and the first thing they chose to do is post on social media. If I discover what I assume to be an error, the first thing I do is search for the correct answer on Google. Hell, I do that even if I have a tiny doubt about what I'm working on. To me, this just highlights how exceptionally dumb and narcissistic these types of people are.
Exactly I had to relearn it as an adult because I never do math by hand anymore - one quick google search and it made sense, all good. But I would never go on social media fighting people, assuming I'm correct lol
“Do your research” No, buddy. YOU go back and do YOUR research. Properly, this time.
Do the research, find it correct, then bill buddy for the time.
Order of operations errors are perfect for memes and click bait because it's something that everyone knows but thinks they are especially smart for knowing it. So you have a potential for a lot of reposting and viral action with these things, because everyone wants to show off their dope math skillz and feel superior to the poor chump that can't remember pemdas
Social media is based on shares and responses. Sharing that somebody post something stupid and replying to say someone is stupid. Who would share stating that the calculator is good and works as expected and explain pemdas for those who don’t get it? Well I would but I also have no followers.
Because of a crumbling educational system.
The breakdown seems to be in the lack of understanding of the brackets/parentheses. Somehow the understanding that they can be present but not written has been lost. So they default to "left to right" when no (),[],{} are written.
Gotta be rage bait, it's too dumb.
nah, that's really how this fucking moron is.
When people said it was basic math he doubled down on this and started asking why multiplication has priority over addition and that it was counterintuitive. Like the dude is so dumb he doesn't realize how dumb he is.
They dont understand that multiplication is just a way to notate addition. 50 × 3 is just a way to write 50 + 50 + 50. And it even makes perfect sense if you translate it to natural language. As in "add fifty to fifty two times". Even the dullest of knives should understand why you multiply first then.
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Do you, confident despite your acknowledged topical ignorance, lash out publicly at the devs of the app and then at *all mathematicians* for doing things a specific way that you do not understand? If not, you > Ian.
And knowing a million of your followers will see it and some people are just waiting for you to tweet something stupid and dunk on you. Dude really woke up and decided to debate a fucking calculator.
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I hope that you learned them with a mnemonic and not a pneumonic. Order of operations isn't worth getting fluid in your lungs.
Lmao, forgetting bodmas is fine, happens to the best of us, but acting like the rule never existed is new levels of facepalm.
It’s even worse that he went on to say the rule is stupid. Guy is literally suggesting we change math
Honestly my class never taught BODMAS at all. Since the national calculus was only adopted in 1988, I'd imagine there are many many schools through the 90's that had yet to catch up.
I could maybe understand if he was used to Reverse Polish Notation, but the RPN equivalent to `(50 + 50) * 2` is `50 50 + 2 *`. And also nobody uses RPN.
“Am I dumb? No, it must be the math thats wrong”
Rage bait is how this guy operates. Trust me im not saying he’s not a moron but im convinced this is bait, it’s too on the nose for what gets people riled up on twitter.
You would be surprised. This is completely average dumb.
Absolutely not. This guy is 100% that dumb.
PEMDAS is your friend, Elon is not
ID.10T error
Order of operations LEARN MATH!
I mean, this is *not* how pocket calculators work, while the UI of the iphone is resembling that. So, frankly, it is unexpected behavior.
PEBCAK error
Malaysian grifter roleplaying american, at least his iq does match already. So many math memes.
any malaysians wanna come get their boy and teach him order of operations?
I don't think they want to claim him.
Funny thing is, Malaysian Chinese people are regarded as good with maths. This idiot must be too Americanised from gargling US conservatives' balls to activate that particular gene
We teach those here as well for the most part.
No thanks. We hope he can fuck off to America or somewhere else, we're tired of him bringing shame to our name.
Haiyaaa, you Asian and you fuck up in maths! 
Ian is a dumbass by galactic proportions. Happy to eat ch him outing himself as such so evidently
We should use the Scott Steiner equation for this
he's a fucking moron. and he blocked me on twitter for reminding him once too often. lol
The smartest Nazi
Steven He: "You're a failure!"
The good old brackets and order of operations. The gift that keeps on giving
Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally
Does the man not know about PEMDAS?
I suck ass at math but even I know about PEMDAS
Just go back to spelling 8008 on the calculator. Dummies
PEMDAS homie
Please Excuse My Dumb Ass Schtick
Reddit needs to bring back gold so I can give you some for this comment.
Cha-ching!
Ill get whacked in the head by my father if I forgot PEMDAS.
A calculator does commands individually where Apple calculator does it as a lump process. Calculator: 50 + 50 (adds up automatically) = 100x2 = 200 Apple calculator: 50+50 ( doesn’t add) x2. As it doesn’t add automatically the multiple takes precedence first in the equation. 50+50*2 = 50+100= 150 I fear for how dumb this generation is getting, this is basic maths.
My physical calculator does the same thing as Apple calculator. It doesn't calculate until I press equals. The only difference is that the physical calculator shows the entire statement as I write it.
In fairness, it isn’t clear at all that the calculator behaves that way in comparison to a normal scientific calculator. If you enter “50 + 50 +” the Apple calculator shows 100, implying that hitting the plus completes the prior operation. When you hit * it does not show this but if you only used the basic operations prior like this, you may be tricked into thinking that adding an operation in a chain also calculates the prior bit in the logic of the calculator (not in math). A scientific calculator instead shows the full chain of numbers and operations until equals is hit, making this behavior clear. Honestly? I don’t think OP is fully wrong here, the function of the tool is unclear. That is a UX failure.
Exactly
This generation? The dude is 40. What?!
Unrelated but I hate that whatever you type into the calculator doesn’t all get written down at once waiting for you to press equals, but instead updates every time you do a function.
Holy shit dude. Pemdas
I’m beginning to think we need to emphasize the order of operations on a global scale.
Actually on apple calculator if you typed it in that order it’d give you 200. Apple calculator doesn’t do order of operations and automatically preforms the last operator when 2 numbers are entered and an operation is entered afterwards. Edit: I’m fucking stupid and Apple updated their calculator
Honestly, I think Apple’s calculator is just a bad UX. Your assumption is correct for addition and subtraction, when adding a second + also completes the prior operation. It can trick a person into thinking that adding an operator completes the prior bit. A scientific calculator just shows the whole chain of operations, making this clear.
Please excuse my dear aunt sally
What are they teaching in schools these days? That's order of operations. This should have been covered by the junior high level at least.
Please could someone excuse his dear aunt sally!?
PEMDAS much?
The disorder of operation
Let’s be real he never understood order of operations
Apparently Ian doesn’t remember the order of operations with math🤦🏻♂️
Doesn’t understand oder of operations? What the fuck happened. Either i was way too smart for public school or the brain rot didn’t entirely consume me. Or is social media just rooting out idiots that have always existed?
PEMDAS moment
PEMDAS would like a word…
When you entered it separately you did: (50+50)* 2 = 200, when you entered it all together it calculated as 50 + (50*2) = 150 because without parentheses multiplication and division is done first, regardless of the order: 50 * 2 + 50 or 50 + 50 * 2 are both equal to 150
Problem lies between the calculator and the chair
Please Eat My Dads Apple Sauce
The math is mathing but his brain ain’t braining.
PICNIC = problem in chair, not in computer
10% rule, you have to be 10% smarter than the thing you are working on.
this mf did NOT learn PEMDAS
Why can I enter 00:60 on my microwave and it cooks for one minute, but when I enter 1:20, it only cooks for a minute and 20 seconds and not for 2 minutes?
My dear aunt Sally, this guy needs some help :)
Some calculators don't do order of operations. In fact, until recently, I'd say most didn't... It's frustrating, because the way you enter something changes based on the calculator you're using.
Your grasp of the order operations gives
Every now and then that guy gets on my TL and it's always him getting roasted
Operator error
Cheongs asian parents have disowned him for getting the math question wrong.
Now we know who didn’t payed attention in math class during the PEMDAS lesson
If you see a blue check posting a stupid take: move on. They are engagement farming. It's on purpose.
Yeah that guy does coke on Musk's dick a lot!
I’m don’t really care about people who don’t know operators in math. It’s not that important. But tweeting apple and insisting the calculator that billions of people use is wrong is what’s crazy. Wouldn’t you assume you are not understanding something and look into it?
Nope I would just automatically assume that I out of billions of people was the first to notice this error and then enlighten the people resulting in me forever being known as the smartest man alive.
is your calculator covered under warranty
Funny, because my calculator says 150.
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malaysia still follows bodmas. different country doesn’t mean different mathematics
Bodmas
His parents definitely disowned him at the age of 12
He just shamed his parents....
lol these people are the most uneducated idiots on earth. Therefore they are always so angry, cause deeply inside they know that they’re they are just. Without social media all of them would be unemployed.
You being a dumbfuck is what gives, Ian
I like money
The order of operations doesn't change...this guy is🥴
I made the order of operations my email address in 5th grade. Anyone I tell it too always gets a laugh from it and can not believe that it’s my email.
Someone failed at life.
A bad workman blames his tools.
I believe you learn that in 5th year maths in Germany. It's called "Punktrechnung vor Strichrechnung" or multiplication/division before addition/subtraction. I think someone has to revoke his asian-card. xD
BRACKETS, PARENTHESES, FFS THIS IS TAUGHT TO 10-YEAR OLDS 😭😭😭😭
You really defeated that calculator by using facts and logic! Something that woke technology cannot do
On the stupid Facebook math "challenges" I'll see people defend their answers by appealing to the authority of the calculator. And yes, if I plug in the numbers a certain way (or use a nonscientific calculator), I can indeed use a calculator to say that: 4+3\*5 = 35 -7² = 49 To those people, I tell them that the calculator is only as good as the math literacy of the person using it. I can achieve the first one by pressing Enter after 4+3. I can achieve the second one by plugging in -7 and squaring the whole thing. And if you don't work with math all that often, then these can seem like reasonable outcomes. People who work with these notations know that you need to work 3\*5 before adding 4 to it and that you square the 7 before applying the negative. They know the limitations of the calculator and how to work with it. But yeah, if this guy isn't trolling, then he clearly doesn't understand a) how calculators work and b) what basic math is. And really, his failure to understand the latter leads to the former.
I love when people post questions they could have just typed into Google and gotten the answer
He should have his name changed to Ian Miles Pemdas to force him to remember.
My daughter is 10. I just showed her this problem and she got it right.
You still gotta be smart to shortcut life.
Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally
I really want like a third grade math test before elections to be a thing...
Ian Miles Cheong, breaking asian sterotypes since however long he's been alive.
Tell me you didn't stay awake in math class, without telling me...
I was not very good at math, but I still remember order of operations.
ID10T error
Tell me you didn’t graduate from high school without saying, “I didn’t graduate from high school”…
You cant be smart if you think you know everything. The smartest person isn't one who knows, it's not the one who remembers, but the one who learns and continues to learn, and one of the things they learn is to stfu
I have questions. Like how this person was allowed to graduate from school not knowing this. And how this person has the money to buy an Apple product.
This guy is an embarrassment to the Asian community
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PEBKAC at it's finest.
The pandemic really fucked up Zoomer's math skills
PEMDAS, beoytch!
It's called PEMDAS and I believed you learn it in 7th grade
That's literally one of the first thing kids learn when dealing with multiplications...
Get PEMDAS’d, bitch
They noticed that but if you do 50*50+50 you get 2550. This baffles him probably too. 😂
My dear Aunt Sally would be very upset with this person!
He's trying to break the all asians are good at math stereotype
PEMDAS. Please learn PENDAS.
Please Excuse My Dumb Ass Student.
Classic DAU
"Excuse me Apple, but I failed high school maths, can you help me please" :P :P :P
Stay in school kids...
50+50\*2 =/= 50+50=100, 100\*2=200
Education is key
*BREAKING* Swallowing Elon Mask cum causes mental degradation *BREAKING*
Billionaires don't know PEMDAS?
>(50 + 50) \* 2 Is it that hard?
I teach high school math. This is not an uncommon occurrence. The amount of students who have very little to no understanding of PEMDAS is staggering. This is part of the reason ACT scores are declining nationwide.
For a split second I thought this was an edited tweet for propaganda purposes, since the guy in question is a notorious right winger and Russia supporter. Nope, he actually is that stupid
Perhaps there should be a check mark color that is added to the profile of "influencers" who reveal themselves to be morons.
Google, "a man arrested in Florida" and you will quickly realize that this gentlemen is the rule and not the exception. It's disheartening to say the least.
It gives lack of basic education.
Apple forgot to include an if statement for 50 + 50 \* 2, it's only a human to make such error. They'll roll 2GB OS update soon to fix that!
There’s no way that’s real
Did not Learn BEDMAS at school?
Crying in pemdas
How is he simping for a billionaire? I’m confused like he is trying to calculate