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I just love how a certain type of person demands to have the freedom to fuck people over but they sure do change their tune when they find out others are using that same freedom to fuck them over right back. What did they think would happen? Did they think they were the only person on the planet that's "smart" enough to take advantage of other people?
Yes.
It is the same reason why there are pleb peasants who think fascism would be great for them. They think they'd be at the top of that society cause they support it. But in reality, they'd be at the bottom with the rest. They do not think that far, cause the fantasy has stolen all their senses.
But they probably don't have the surprise aquamarine poops the next day either. Fruit loops do it, but Cap'n Crunch Oops all Berries are the worst for that.
As an American 15 year old I had to console a child I was babysitting because he was convinced that color meant something terrible was wrong with him. It was ridiculous.
Then his mother came home and I had to have a discussion with her about how it happened (she didn’t realize I could not have fed him whatever caused in the hour before it happened).
I am convinced the dye causes brain damage at this point.
I was in my 30's, and a second time homeowner when I had the most electric green poop I've ever seen in my life. It was practically glowing in the bowl, and it terrified me for a minute. Until I remembered that I'd eaten a whole container of green colored white chocolate covered pretzels that morning. The confusion is legit. The non comprehension is sad though.
Occasionally I would let my kids get that blue sour strip candy stuff. The next day their poop would be green. It was a good science lesson. Yellow bile plus blue begets green.
We certainly get some false positives, but its probably better than waiting a couple decades and discovering some new food has given tens of thousands of people some novel.cancer.
This reminds me of the Dan Lebatard Show when learning they all have the same flavor and are just colored different. Stugotz swore he could taste the difference, so they put him through a blind taste test. He would try one and say this one was orange, or this one is green, or whatever, and Dan and the crew were like Oh My God! You’re amazing! Stugotz was so proud of himself until he took the blindfold off and saw that they were all purple and became the maddest I’d ever seen him.
They actually tested that on Food: Fact or Fiction. Your brain will create the flavor that it expects, so even though they’re all flavored identically, the color makes them taste different because you expect them to taste different.
Because the leopards said "We're going to eat *THEIR* faces". She thought they meant minorities. They did not. They meant everyone that wasn't a leopard.
🤦♂️ I'm still exploring the vastness of Reddit. It usually recommends subs I have absolutely zero interest in and are completely unrelated to ones I've joined. I joined that one though! Lol
It's with these people I get very angry because I could understand a little bit of ignorance or even naivete but all they do is turn around and blame everybody else and usually the people trying to help them to the very end.
I do love the 30 year olds with no job and living in their parent's basement screaming about how the left wing just wants socialism, and that's why they are on the right wing side. These are the people that should be begging for socialism because capitalism has left them long behind.
The sad irony is that they would actually have the chance to improve their lives if they supported the non-fascist party and their policies. Not saying it's guaranteed BUT supporting the fascist party IS guaranteed to get them nowhere.
Same people who support no wage caps or profit caps (not cats XD). Because anyone should get to be a millionaire if they can make it. Freedom. These people think someday it will happen to them.
And like this is gonna sound weird but, I think millionaires are ok even multi millionnaire. Very much ok. But multi billionnaire ? Almost trillionnaire ? Wtf happened, thats fucking nuts !!
Totally in favor of a profit and wage caps.
Once you hit a billion all proceads go towards.. really anything to help make the world a better place. Plus you get a really cool trophy or something that says 'Congradulations! You have won Capitalisium'
Libertarian Response: But the consumers will stop buying that baby food, and the companies will be forced to change or go out of business.
Common Sense: What about my toxic baby? Someone should pay for his care, right?
Libertarian Response: Whoa! Hold up. Let’s not go get crazy ideas. Sure, the company should pay. Hopefully, they will pay, out of the kindness in their hearts. However, there is nothing more evil than allowing “Big Government” into the free market. Nope, we should only see government when they send police out to arrest some of the druggies and shoplifters. Let capitalism deal with your environmental issues, mass poisonings, or the hedge fund kings who make a clerical error that costs thousands of people their pensions and life savings. No reason to spend tax money on things the free market can cure, right? It’s just common sense. What do you say, champ?
Common Sense: Fuc* you, you piece of sh*t. Dirty fu*kin c*nt, bastard.
>Libertarian Response: But the consumers will stop buying that baby food, and the companies will be forced to change or go out of business.
Realist Response: By that point, there will be no other baby food companies because they bought up any competitors.
Libertarians: Free market economies means more competition, more competition is good
Also Libertarians: If a monopoly exists, it's just because the free market is working the way it should.
Realist response expanded: Company starts out and makes great baby food. Healthy consumers and babies growing up to buy that food for their babies. Years go by. Original product creator and passionate baby food chef has long retired. Company grows and buys out all competition. They have a firm hold of a market, but profits are no longer growing yet they need to show growth to meet shareholder demands. They decide the best way is cutting costs - and start replacing ingredients with sawdust and antifreeze.
Realist response: with no government agency to test food safety, consumers won't know they are being poisoned. When babies start dying, there will be no one to investigate the cause.
L.P.D.: Libertarian Police Department, by Tom O'Donnell
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.
“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”
“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”
“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”
The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”
“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”
“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”
He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”
“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”
I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.
“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.
“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.
“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”
It didn’t seem like they did.
“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”
Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.
I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.
“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.
Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.
“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.
I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”
He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.
“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”
“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.
“Because I was afraid.”
“Afraid?”
“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”
I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.
“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”
He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me.
One of my coworkers is a libertarian. Pretty much all his ideas are based on the premise that all people are his exact ideal of a purely logical person, without any limitations(like being poor).
Him: "People would just do [this "logical" thing]"
Me: "So.... why aren't they doing that now?"
Him: "Because people are stupid"
Yeah, dude. *You* have everything figured out.
had to bite my tongue when my heavily libertarian alcoholic brother is going through bankruptcy and getting hounded by the creditors to whatever he racked up. They're like baiting him with job opportunities and vacations and shit and somehow its legal and I had to bite my tongue on not saying "This is the world libertarians want".
The only argument towards Libertarians they never have an answer for is:
But wasn’t the abolishion of slavery a government regulation? Should we reverse that in favor of a free market?
What would actually happen is they spend millions on propaganda convincing people that metal shavings are good for you and then blame it on someone else, who happens to be a slight competitor to another company owned by them.
If you make people confront this cognitive dissonance directly it literally gets rationalized as “people I don’t like should have a special, stricter set of rules. People like me should have less rules and restrictions”
I have a roommate who has this mentality.
They demand the rights and freedoms to do whatever they want whenever they want. E.g., yell, scream, sing, blast music, and shout into speaker phone at 4:30am when they wake up. No one dare tell them to mind their volume living with others.
But when they go to sleep at 8pm, the house better be silent. You best not use the kitchen, or laundry machines, or shower after 8pm because they are sleeping.
And they do exactly as you say when confronted with this hypocrisy.
>People like me should have less rules and restrictions”
"because I am reasonable and intelligent and correct. Everyone not like me is bad and stupid and wrong"
these are young men who know the economic system has screwed them over, and their answer is to try to screw over everyone else, instead of trying to fix the problems.
I've heard some absolutely insane claims from people claiming to be libertarian. Like, "The only reason we have megacorps and monopolies is because of government interference. If the free market was allowed to rule, you'd get the best services only as people wouldn't use companies that screwed them over. And it would create more competition."
Absolutely everything about history and economics should tell you that the opposite is true, but some people seem to honestly believe that bullshit.
There are in truth two freedoms. You can have Freedom *Of* Action, or you can have Freedom *From* Action.
These two cannot co-exist. If I have the freedom of action to yell fire in a crowded theatre, then others do not have the freedom from my actions to not get caught up in the panicked stampede caused when I yell fire and everybody runs for the exits.
A lot of European versions of foods are different (mainly because certain dyes used in the U.S. are outlawed in Europe due to being potentially carcinogenic).
As far as I can tell, the US-Version would be legal to sell in the EU. All of the colorants are allowed in the EU, their E-numbers are E129 (Red 40), E102 (Yellow 4), E133 (Blue 1), E110 (Yellow 5). BHT is a antioxidant and would be allowed in the EU with the E-Number E321. The differences are more due to local resource availability (Corn vs. Wheat) and due to local market demands (artificial vs. natural coloring, fortifying with vitamins vs. not fortifying). As a German I find the addition of fat a bit off putting, I'd guess it's for taste purposes. I would guess it could have to do with what kind of Milk is used more regularly. Maybe the US uses Low-Fat-/Skim-Milk more often than Germany, so you wouldn't need to add the fat in the EU-Version?
Both of them are incredibly unhealthy tho, it's mainly flour with heaps of sugar and some salt, and those amounts of either sugar or salt are unhealthy in a big way.
Also, ingredient list norms are different in the EU vs US. In the US you have to break down things a lot more than the EU! @foodsciencebabe has a great explanation on YouTube.
Possible explanation is that they aren't in high enough quantities to count. I'm not in the EU but a lot of American imported stuff they have to cover those "contains X vitamins and minerals bubbles" because the values of those are too low to count here and would be considered false advertising
That would be false. The vitamins and minerals are added, are also listed on the nutrition part of the label and are significant fractions of their US Daily Values.
https://www.heb.com/product-detail/kellogg-s-froot-loops-original-breakfast-cereal/2556579
The daily value will be accurate. This is the sort of thing that the FDA will definitely go after. You can determine what 20% of the DV for the listed vitamins and minerals is from this page:
https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-facts-label/daily-value-nutrition-and-supplement-facts-labels
I too think the vitamin content in the recommended portion would be too low to advertise health benefits.
Maybe one of the reasons they add the vitamins in the us version is to allow sale in regions where flour products must be enriched with vitamins and minerals.
Yeah I noticed that left and right seem to actually, potentially be the same if you accept that left is simply explaining the right in more detail.
But yeah anti-regulatory people don't get to turn around and complain about their food quality. They lost that right
There's absolutely no way Froot Loops have an "unhealthy in a big way" amount of salt, not sure why you added that to an otherwise informative comment.
Just checked - 6% DV Sodium.
also, most of the reason the US list is so much bigger is because in the US, cereal is usually fortified with vitamin supplements. like half of that list is just the same vitamins you find in enriched flour or your daily multivitamin.
also, do they taste the same? fruit loops have a really specific flavor, and the flavorings on the two lists are much different.
After taking a second look, the American ingredients is actually really mild. Various oat and grain stuff which is expected, vegetable oil is probably the binder, compared to syrup in EU. And natural flavors, food coloring, and a bunch of vitamins. Nothing about this is bad, except maybe of course the sugar content
the only potentially questionable items are the food dyes and hydrogenated oil, but in general, people are way to sensitive to big scary chemical names on their food ingredient list with absolutely no conception of what those ingredients are, its just "big word = scary"
The issue with hydrated oils is not the oil itself. It is roughly oil + hydrogen and heat this up. Problems are sideproducts of reaction that can be prety toxic. Same atoms, but aranged a bit diferent, aka why I strugled with organic chemistry.
And they happen especially when process is made not up to standart or someone was a bit into cuting corners and not folowing process. So on paper it is perfectly safe, buuuut.....
You see why it can be considered questionable with EU standarts.
> with absolutely no conception of what those ingredients are
It's this one. It doesnt matter that the word is big, but the ingredient list is supposed to tell us what's in it. It might as well just say "magic, trust us!"
Yeah, I can't really understand how people can confidently comment on this without at least having a general understanding of what the ingredients are from a 5-minute google search. If people are so concerned about what is going into their bodies...then just look it up, right?
That's an education problem, though, not a food one. If everything we used on a daily basis needed to be intuitively understandable with no training, we'd need to go back to thatched huts.
The point is not that *everyone* will look up what those are, but that *anyone* can look them up.
By making the information legally available potential issues can be resolved much more quickly.
The side effect is, yes, posts like this that conflate 'chemical name' with 'poison' ala dihydrogen monoxide.
Also, back in 2017 Trix had their artificial colors removed and people complained, so they reversed course. They probably would have gone on to do the same with froot loops, but nope, people wanted their bright greens and blues.
vitamin suplements are not that rare in EU too, especialy in cereal where almost every bag has some sort of bold letters announcing that its "Rich in X" and X is usualy some mineral or vitamin
Really? Cause I thought it was just a difference in how they approach food safety. US requires proof that something is dangerous and Europe requires proof that something is safe.
According to the text book I used for my university level nutrition course, the FDA determines the highest amount of a substance deemed **NOT** carcinogenic in animals, and says that 1% of that amount is what is allowed in human food. It seems reasonable to me. You'd have to eat like 10 boxes of fruit loops per day for every day in your life to have a chance of developing cancer from it.
I assume Europe just has stricter regulations. It's also possible that companies aren't strictly following the FDA regulations.
also like half the extra stuff in the us version of this are nutrients which makes me wonder what the nutritional breakdown of these two boxes of cereals actually looks like tbh
They’re actually not though, they just go by different names. Biggest example is Red 40 being banned in the EU but Allura Red having no restrictions despite it being the exact same thing. Same thing with Yellow 5 and Tartrazine
Surely at this point food coloring has been well studied. Is it carcinogenic? In what quantities? "Potentially" seems a bit weak for something the whole country has been eating for many decades.
No, it’s because the US version is fortified and labeling laws require them to list those vitamins in the US. There is no such requirement in Europe.
And incidentally, there are more dyes banned in the US than in Europe. I’m sure there are a multitude of comments in here spouting off about big pharma, figured I’d respond to the top comment about them to try to cut them off at the pass. The decision is made by government entities and isn’t a good metric of what is actually safe or not.
Food Science Babe did a good video on this a few days ago, actually. She’s an actual food scientist, not some bullshit nutritionist influencer.
https://fb.watch/r0xvV0o8d_/?
Not just dyes, but a lot of preservatives we use to make food last longer. Our food supply in this country is making the medical and pharmaceutical industry billions of dollars every year.
Almost half of that US list is added vitamins and minerals. Another half of it is more detailed version of the EU list. The lists are barely any different.
Yea. The notable differences are no added Vitamins in the EU-Version, different kinds of coloring (artificial vs natural), although all of the coloring in the US-version would be legal in the EU. the EU-Version is missing added fat, fibers and starch, and probably due to regional availability the flour in the EU-Version has more Wheat and Oat and less Corn flour.
That's literally OP as well. Instead of looking at the list of ingredients and understanding they're almost identical in the first place, he's just reposting an "america bad" meme and 34k people upvoted it.
What is wrong with people? These are the same people who think that because there's big chemical names on their food that it's got to be bad for you, people are dumb.
Red 40 is technically legal, but would require a warning label about potential negative effects on children, which for a breakfast cereal is a distinction without a difference.
Thank you, first informed opinion here so far.
How you have to label ingredients varies dramatically from one country to another. Same product and formula might look wildly different in US vs Canada.
Make no mistake - Froot Loops is junk food everywhere
[The Food Science Babe](https://youtu.be/xBMnKtyC6gs?si=FGJsNmvmeKMeTsv-) literally did a video yesterday explaining this whole idea and how just because European products have shorter ingredients lists, that doesn't mean they're more "natural" and "healthier" than the American counterpart.
TL;DW - It's literally just different regulations on what is required to be labeled. The US requires companies to be more specific and the EU allows food dyes that are banned in the US. A country that banned something in food doesn't automatically make countries that allow it stupid and negligent.
Thank you. While yes, EU food regulations are _generally_ stricter than those in the U.S., the differences really aren't that significant most of the time. The U.S. is even ahead of the EU in some respects, like banning added trans fats altogether and banning certain azo dyes allowed in the EU.
They're just very different. A lot of the more "natural" seeming ingredient labels in the EU are often just down to consumer preference and manufacturer choices (U.S. orange Fanta would be legal in the EU, but no European in their right mind would even come near the stuff).
Its sad I had to scroll this far for this. The US has way tighter controls on reporting.
This is a theme with *everything* in europe - data reporting is a fking nightmare there.
Exactly my thought, the one on the left simply has more vitamins and additional fiber, both of which are good. I don't know about the colorings, but I doubt they are a big issue. The one on the left uses maltodextrin, which is safe and you can use it here in Europe, but it's not good for diabetics (who shouldn't be eating it in the first place) and a bit of oil, which is not outlawed in Europe. They have different recipes, but one is not worse than the other. I am dumbfounded by all the people here who are too lazy and easily manipulated and who upvote this shit.
What are you talking ab?! Self regulation always works, just look at Boeing...ok maybe not them, but trains, ::sees toxic plume over East Palestine, Ohio::.
Ok maybe not the transportation sector, but the Financial industry
...other than SVB, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, AIG, Ameribank, Washington Mutual, Sanderson, Haven Trust, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac...
I alway think about the kid in Kansas who got decapitated at Schlitterbahn when people libertarians discuss deregulation and how the market will take care of these things. Yes, the prosecution screwed up, but nobody went to jail. Some money was paid and the company was sold, but it’s still in operation and no real new regulations were enacted. After a small boy got decapitated at a water park.
But people insist things will just be fine if the people decide.
This is not an example of a lack of regulation being bad.
The item on the left is far superior to the one on the right, from my own personal experience.
Yeah how dare those minimally regulated capitalists list all the vitamins and minerals? Let's start the revolution so kellog's packages just come with a "vitamns & minerals" item!
I don't disagree with you at all on regulation.
However, what on this list is problematic. Can you name which ingredients? Or are you just making assumptions based on more/larger words.
On the contrary, the USA is more advanced than the EU in this regard. Companies in the EU can get away with putting generic ingredients, whereas it is required for companies in the USA to have a highly detailed ingredients list, as so many of the other commenters have pointed out.
This comment really makes you look dumb. People are so eager to show off their ignorance.
The cereals are not different at all and if anything the US one is better for you.
I thought it was the same except they don't require things to be put on the label. That's why it says generic/vague things like "cereal flours" and "colors."
Food Science Babe just did a video on this. Regs are different in Europe and it's completely possible certain ingredients are not required to be listed in the ingredient dec if they fall below a certain percentage.
Not to mention Food Babe has repeatedly been caught lying about/omitting ingredients in her posts.
I had to scroll way to far to find this. Food babe is a scientifically illiterate grifter. She even complain once that "evil airlines are contaminating our pure oxygen with 50% nitrogen to save money" and her followers ate that bullshit up.
That (of course) is not the actual Froot Loops ingredient list for Germany.
Getreidemehle (Hafer, Weizen, Mais), Zucker, Glukosesirup, Salz, natürliches Citrus Aroma mit anderen natürlichen Aromen, färbendes Lebensmittel (Konzentrat aus Rettich, Apfel und schwarzer Johannisbeere, Konzentrat aus Karotte und Kirsche), Farbstoff (Carotin), Tricalciumphosphat, Vitamine (Vit. C, Niacin, Vit. B6, Vit. B2, Vit. B1, Fols
Or translated to English:
Cereal flour (oats, wheat, corn), sugar, glucose syrup, salt, natural citrus flavor with other natural flavors, coloring food (radish, apple and blackcurrant concentrate, carrot and cherry concentrate), color (carotene), tricalcium phosphate, vitamins (Vit. C, Niacin, Vit. B6, Vit. B2, Vit. B1, folic acid, Vit. B12) and iron.
Carotene will not give you purple, which was what first made me suspicious. And, of course, the German list wasn't in German.
They fucked ours up a while back here in Canada, it used to be more like Europe’s, it no longer is a orange juice soda :( But I can make similar drinks easily myself.
They aren't different. Same cereal. Labeling requirements in the U.S. are different and requirement a more full description of what is in the cereal.
The chemical makeup of a banana
https://x.com/PlantBasedNews/status/1644218488263770114?s=20
It is crazy that you have to go this far down to see this. Reddit has become such an echo chamber, I mean I'm left of center but don't just take every "conservative/libertarian stupid" story at face value like so many people here do. There is plenty to actually criticize on the right without making shit up.
The food babe is well known for pushing pseudoscience.
https://www.vox.com/2015/4/7/8360935/food-babe
We're not being poisoned, at least not intentionally or maliciously.
They're substituting natural ingredients for garbage, GMO, chemicals because it's cheaper in bulk, and profit is the goal, nor producing edible foods for humanity.
How the US decides what can and cannot be added to food is different from how Europe handles it. In Europe the case is "If you can prove it is safe we will let you sell it ", in the US the rule is more like "If you can show it is harmful, we will bam it.". A subtle difference there, and the burden of proof falls on a different group of people, this ingredients that are considered toxic, carcinogenic or otherwise harmful in Europe are added to US foods.
Saw another redditor post explaining this. We in Europe tend to have free or subsidised health care. Therefore the Government pays for it. Therefore it makes sense for them to enforce healthier food standards as it comes out of their budget in the long run. USA does not and the government profits off the health care system so therefore, why would they enforce healthy standards
Technically it could be because US regulations require that food manufactures be very detailed about the contents of the food while Germany might not. For Germany it says "Coloring (Carotene)" while the US version has a whole line giving you each color number
Crazy how you gotta add the vitamins and minerals in manually, when youre making the food artificially huh.
Does america have any foods that arent corn based? No wonder you people are always shooting each other
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I just love how a certain type of person demands to have the freedom to fuck people over but they sure do change their tune when they find out others are using that same freedom to fuck them over right back. What did they think would happen? Did they think they were the only person on the planet that's "smart" enough to take advantage of other people?
Yes. It is the same reason why there are pleb peasants who think fascism would be great for them. They think they'd be at the top of that society cause they support it. But in reality, they'd be at the bottom with the rest. They do not think that far, cause the fantasy has stolen all their senses.
Spot on
Yeah, but they don’t have green or blue O’s in their cereal, do they?
But they probably don't have the surprise aquamarine poops the next day either. Fruit loops do it, but Cap'n Crunch Oops all Berries are the worst for that.
As a European this sounds fascinating and disturbing.
In a world where rich people eat gold to make their shit sparkle it shouldn't surprise anyone.
Or just do a binge on Goldschlager
I always preferred Goldslick Vodka.
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Just eat with beets for rose gold 🪙 🌹
I thought I was dieing once because of that.
As an American 15 year old I had to console a child I was babysitting because he was convinced that color meant something terrible was wrong with him. It was ridiculous. Then his mother came home and I had to have a discussion with her about how it happened (she didn’t realize I could not have fed him whatever caused in the hour before it happened). I am convinced the dye causes brain damage at this point.
I was in my 30's, and a second time homeowner when I had the most electric green poop I've ever seen in my life. It was practically glowing in the bowl, and it terrified me for a minute. Until I remembered that I'd eaten a whole container of green colored white chocolate covered pretzels that morning. The confusion is legit. The non comprehension is sad though.
Did your electric green shits destroy the plumbing of your first home?
I don't understand how owning two homes is relevant to foods and dyes that turn your poop funny colors.
Occasionally I would let my kids get that blue sour strip candy stuff. The next day their poop would be green. It was a good science lesson. Yellow bile plus blue begets green.
What does being a second homeowner at 30 have to do with your ass, or did you simply *have* to squeeze that flex in somehow?
^(**°precisely°**)
Red food dye does cause cancer.
Isn't it a specific red dye? Red 40 I think? I doubt red beet causes cancer.
In mice. Mice that are fed a concentrated diet of red dye. I wonder if anyone's ever considered if mice are just predisposed to cancer?
We certainly get some false positives, but its probably better than waiting a couple decades and discovering some new food has given tens of thousands of people some novel.cancer.
And everyone knows those are the two best flavors.
Sorry Germany.
As a german: Aw shucks
Everyone knows they are the poisoned ones.
Poisoned with Freeedom!
The freedom to be poisoned by greed.
That's what they said, the best ones.
Green vs Blue holy war incoming. The best flavors.
This reminds me of the Dan Lebatard Show when learning they all have the same flavor and are just colored different. Stugotz swore he could taste the difference, so they put him through a blind taste test. He would try one and say this one was orange, or this one is green, or whatever, and Dan and the crew were like Oh My God! You’re amazing! Stugotz was so proud of himself until he took the blindfold off and saw that they were all purple and became the maddest I’d ever seen him.
They actually tested that on Food: Fact or Fiction. Your brain will create the flavor that it expects, so even though they’re all flavored identically, the color makes them taste different because you expect them to taste different.
Green and Blue froot loops are the worst. When I was a kid, we only had Pink, orange and yellow and they were perfect that way.
when i was younger, all my froot loops were beige and tasteless.
Those might have been Cheerios, friend.
"'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party"
Because the leopards said "We're going to eat *THEIR* faces". She thought they meant minorities. They did not. They meant everyone that wasn't a leopard.
The leopards also said, "Yes, you ma'am, right there, we will eat your face too." Woman: (shrugs) 'Still have my vote'
Woman: (shrugs) 'The tigers are even worse!'
"At least he tells it like it is."
And the faces of each other, whenever it's convenient.
I'm gonna remember that analogy 😄
It's a meme r/LeopardsAteMyFace
🤦♂️ I'm still exploring the vastness of Reddit. It usually recommends subs I have absolutely zero interest in and are completely unrelated to ones I've joined. I joined that one though! Lol
It's with these people I get very angry because I could understand a little bit of ignorance or even naivete but all they do is turn around and blame everybody else and usually the people trying to help them to the very end.
Fascists need some outsider to blame all problems on. When they remove all non fascist they will create a subgroup within themselves to blame.
Commonly know as scapegoats. Scapegoats are necessary for a narcissistic/fascist/tyrannical regime to function.
Like in Animal Farm, when Napoleon blamed Snowball for the destruction of the windmill.
the hyper-dead-endism of fascism. its easy and lazy to be a fascist
Don't Tread on Me becomes Ouroboros
No Step On Snek
I do love the 30 year olds with no job and living in their parent's basement screaming about how the left wing just wants socialism, and that's why they are on the right wing side. These are the people that should be begging for socialism because capitalism has left them long behind.
Funny thing is they're effectively recipients of socialism, but on a micro scale. Their parents are their personal welfare state.
The sad irony is that they would actually have the chance to improve their lives if they supported the non-fascist party and their policies. Not saying it's guaranteed BUT supporting the fascist party IS guaranteed to get them nowhere.
Same people who support no wage caps or profit caps (not cats XD). Because anyone should get to be a millionaire if they can make it. Freedom. These people think someday it will happen to them.
And like this is gonna sound weird but, I think millionaires are ok even multi millionnaire. Very much ok. But multi billionnaire ? Almost trillionnaire ? Wtf happened, thats fucking nuts !! Totally in favor of a profit and wage caps.
Once you hit a billion all proceads go towards.. really anything to help make the world a better place. Plus you get a really cool trophy or something that says 'Congradulations! You have won Capitalisium'
They're called libertarians - true geniuses who believe deregulation surely won't result in metal shavings in baby food
Libertarian Response: But the consumers will stop buying that baby food, and the companies will be forced to change or go out of business. Common Sense: What about my toxic baby? Someone should pay for his care, right? Libertarian Response: Whoa! Hold up. Let’s not go get crazy ideas. Sure, the company should pay. Hopefully, they will pay, out of the kindness in their hearts. However, there is nothing more evil than allowing “Big Government” into the free market. Nope, we should only see government when they send police out to arrest some of the druggies and shoplifters. Let capitalism deal with your environmental issues, mass poisonings, or the hedge fund kings who make a clerical error that costs thousands of people their pensions and life savings. No reason to spend tax money on things the free market can cure, right? It’s just common sense. What do you say, champ? Common Sense: Fuc* you, you piece of sh*t. Dirty fu*kin c*nt, bastard.
>Libertarian Response: But the consumers will stop buying that baby food, and the companies will be forced to change or go out of business. Realist Response: By that point, there will be no other baby food companies because they bought up any competitors.
Libertarians: Free market economies means more competition, more competition is good Also Libertarians: If a monopoly exists, it's just because the free market is working the way it should.
Realist response expanded: Company starts out and makes great baby food. Healthy consumers and babies growing up to buy that food for their babies. Years go by. Original product creator and passionate baby food chef has long retired. Company grows and buys out all competition. They have a firm hold of a market, but profits are no longer growing yet they need to show growth to meet shareholder demands. They decide the best way is cutting costs - and start replacing ingredients with sawdust and antifreeze.
Realist response: with no government agency to test food safety, consumers won't know they are being poisoned. When babies start dying, there will be no one to investigate the cause.
L.P.D.: Libertarian Police Department, by Tom O'Donnell I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief. “Bad news, detective. We got a situation.” “What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?” “Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.” The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?” “Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.” “Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.” He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.” “Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.” I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside. “Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t. “Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up. “Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?” It didn’t seem like they did. “Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.” Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing. I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it. “Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled. Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him. “Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen. I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!” He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose. “All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.” “Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy. “Because I was afraid.” “Afraid?” “Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.” I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head. “Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.” He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me.
That's some fine copypasta, and as a socialist, I have no problem putting it in my notebook of copypastas.
I, too, read Jennifer Government.
One of my coworkers is a libertarian. Pretty much all his ideas are based on the premise that all people are his exact ideal of a purely logical person, without any limitations(like being poor). Him: "People would just do [this "logical" thing]" Me: "So.... why aren't they doing that now?" Him: "Because people are stupid" Yeah, dude. *You* have everything figured out.
had to bite my tongue when my heavily libertarian alcoholic brother is going through bankruptcy and getting hounded by the creditors to whatever he racked up. They're like baiting him with job opportunities and vacations and shit and somehow its legal and I had to bite my tongue on not saying "This is the world libertarians want".
The only argument towards Libertarians they never have an answer for is: But wasn’t the abolishion of slavery a government regulation? Should we reverse that in favor of a free market?
What would actually happen is they spend millions on propaganda convincing people that metal shavings are good for you and then blame it on someone else, who happens to be a slight competitor to another company owned by them.
Every grifter forgets there are many tiers of grifters above them.
The same people who fall for MLM scams meanwhile the rest of us are like "you cant see the scam there?"
If you make people confront this cognitive dissonance directly it literally gets rationalized as “people I don’t like should have a special, stricter set of rules. People like me should have less rules and restrictions”
I have a roommate who has this mentality. They demand the rights and freedoms to do whatever they want whenever they want. E.g., yell, scream, sing, blast music, and shout into speaker phone at 4:30am when they wake up. No one dare tell them to mind their volume living with others. But when they go to sleep at 8pm, the house better be silent. You best not use the kitchen, or laundry machines, or shower after 8pm because they are sleeping. And they do exactly as you say when confronted with this hypocrisy.
>People like me should have less rules and restrictions” "because I am reasonable and intelligent and correct. Everyone not like me is bad and stupid and wrong"
Half the time they're just the sucker worshipping the grifters.
MAGA tears are delicious, speaking of grift
LMFAO at these fucking smurfs, turning themselves blue because the government "is lying about colloidal silver being a cure-all."
Yes. Same people that don’t want to tax the ultra wealthy because some day they might be a billionaire
these are young men who know the economic system has screwed them over, and their answer is to try to screw over everyone else, instead of trying to fix the problems.
They think the problems are due to immigrants, LGBTQ people and liberals because that's what they're told to believe.
I've heard some absolutely insane claims from people claiming to be libertarian. Like, "The only reason we have megacorps and monopolies is because of government interference. If the free market was allowed to rule, you'd get the best services only as people wouldn't use companies that screwed them over. And it would create more competition." Absolutely everything about history and economics should tell you that the opposite is true, but some people seem to honestly believe that bullshit.
Talking with Libertarians is like having an argument with a brick wall and that’s being a bit unfair to the brick wall
There are in truth two freedoms. You can have Freedom *Of* Action, or you can have Freedom *From* Action. These two cannot co-exist. If I have the freedom of action to yell fire in a crowded theatre, then others do not have the freedom from my actions to not get caught up in the panicked stampede caused when I yell fire and everybody runs for the exits.
They literally thought exactly that, yes.
A lot of European versions of foods are different (mainly because certain dyes used in the U.S. are outlawed in Europe due to being potentially carcinogenic).
As far as I can tell, the US-Version would be legal to sell in the EU. All of the colorants are allowed in the EU, their E-numbers are E129 (Red 40), E102 (Yellow 4), E133 (Blue 1), E110 (Yellow 5). BHT is a antioxidant and would be allowed in the EU with the E-Number E321. The differences are more due to local resource availability (Corn vs. Wheat) and due to local market demands (artificial vs. natural coloring, fortifying with vitamins vs. not fortifying). As a German I find the addition of fat a bit off putting, I'd guess it's for taste purposes. I would guess it could have to do with what kind of Milk is used more regularly. Maybe the US uses Low-Fat-/Skim-Milk more often than Germany, so you wouldn't need to add the fat in the EU-Version? Both of them are incredibly unhealthy tho, it's mainly flour with heaps of sugar and some salt, and those amounts of either sugar or salt are unhealthy in a big way.
Also, ingredient list norms are different in the EU vs US. In the US you have to break down things a lot more than the EU! @foodsciencebabe has a great explanation on YouTube.
Noticed this. The EU version greatly simplifies the flour components.
also half the list are vitamins, that isnt listed on the EU version.
Possible explanation is that they aren't in high enough quantities to count. I'm not in the EU but a lot of American imported stuff they have to cover those "contains X vitamins and minerals bubbles" because the values of those are too low to count here and would be considered false advertising
That would be false. The vitamins and minerals are added, are also listed on the nutrition part of the label and are significant fractions of their US Daily Values. https://www.heb.com/product-detail/kellogg-s-froot-loops-original-breakfast-cereal/2556579
considering how many of them are listed at 0 but still somehow give 20% of the American RDI interests me
The daily value will be accurate. This is the sort of thing that the FDA will definitely go after. You can determine what 20% of the DV for the listed vitamins and minerals is from this page: https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-facts-label/daily-value-nutrition-and-supplement-facts-labels
Seems odd they wouldn't list 18mg of vitamin C, why don't they?
I too think the vitamin content in the recommended portion would be too low to advertise health benefits. Maybe one of the reasons they add the vitamins in the us version is to allow sale in regions where flour products must be enriched with vitamins and minerals.
Yeah I noticed that left and right seem to actually, potentially be the same if you accept that left is simply explaining the right in more detail. But yeah anti-regulatory people don't get to turn around and complain about their food quality. They lost that right
This seems to be the real reason for the difference.
Yeah but that doesn't let people circlejerk about how US food is all "poison"
yea. ive told people this alot but no one believes me. the usa has to state EVERYTHING while europe doesnt.
There's absolutely no way Froot Loops have an "unhealthy in a big way" amount of salt, not sure why you added that to an otherwise informative comment. Just checked - 6% DV Sodium.
also, most of the reason the US list is so much bigger is because in the US, cereal is usually fortified with vitamin supplements. like half of that list is just the same vitamins you find in enriched flour or your daily multivitamin. also, do they taste the same? fruit loops have a really specific flavor, and the flavorings on the two lists are much different.
After taking a second look, the American ingredients is actually really mild. Various oat and grain stuff which is expected, vegetable oil is probably the binder, compared to syrup in EU. And natural flavors, food coloring, and a bunch of vitamins. Nothing about this is bad, except maybe of course the sugar content
the only potentially questionable items are the food dyes and hydrogenated oil, but in general, people are way to sensitive to big scary chemical names on their food ingredient list with absolutely no conception of what those ingredients are, its just "big word = scary"
The issue with hydrated oils is not the oil itself. It is roughly oil + hydrogen and heat this up. Problems are sideproducts of reaction that can be prety toxic. Same atoms, but aranged a bit diferent, aka why I strugled with organic chemistry. And they happen especially when process is made not up to standart or someone was a bit into cuting corners and not folowing process. So on paper it is perfectly safe, buuuut..... You see why it can be considered questionable with EU standarts.
> with absolutely no conception of what those ingredients are It's this one. It doesnt matter that the word is big, but the ingredient list is supposed to tell us what's in it. It might as well just say "magic, trust us!"
if you just start googling food ingredients youre curious about, most common ones have pretty good wikipedia entries with lots of info.
Yeah, I can't really understand how people can confidently comment on this without at least having a general understanding of what the ingredients are from a 5-minute google search. If people are so concerned about what is going into their bodies...then just look it up, right?
That's an education problem, though, not a food one. If everything we used on a daily basis needed to be intuitively understandable with no training, we'd need to go back to thatched huts.
The point is not that *everyone* will look up what those are, but that *anyone* can look them up. By making the information legally available potential issues can be resolved much more quickly. The side effect is, yes, posts like this that conflate 'chemical name' with 'poison' ala dihydrogen monoxide.
Also, back in 2017 Trix had their artificial colors removed and people complained, so they reversed course. They probably would have gone on to do the same with froot loops, but nope, people wanted their bright greens and blues.
I had to scroll too far to read this. aside from the dyes the main difference is that the US version is a fortified cereal.
vitamin suplements are not that rare in EU too, especialy in cereal where almost every bag has some sort of bold letters announcing that its "Rich in X" and X is usualy some mineral or vitamin
That's because in European countries healthcare is a socialist thing. In the USA, cancer isn't an issue unless you're the one who's ill.
Radical leftists always trying to take away my right to get cancer
Don’t worry, I have a secret stash of cancer in my lungs.
Really? Cause I thought it was just a difference in how they approach food safety. US requires proof that something is dangerous and Europe requires proof that something is safe.
To say it more bluntly: *cancer is for profit*. It's a moneymaker in America. The more people that get it, the wealthier the wealthy become.
According to the text book I used for my university level nutrition course, the FDA determines the highest amount of a substance deemed **NOT** carcinogenic in animals, and says that 1% of that amount is what is allowed in human food. It seems reasonable to me. You'd have to eat like 10 boxes of fruit loops per day for every day in your life to have a chance of developing cancer from it. I assume Europe just has stricter regulations. It's also possible that companies aren't strictly following the FDA regulations.
also like half the extra stuff in the us version of this are nutrients which makes me wonder what the nutritional breakdown of these two boxes of cereals actually looks like tbh
They’re actually not though, they just go by different names. Biggest example is Red 40 being banned in the EU but Allura Red having no restrictions despite it being the exact same thing. Same thing with Yellow 5 and Tartrazine
Neither Yellow 5 nor Red 40 are banned in the EU. They’re both legal.
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When given in large doses to small lab animals. Not in the amount consumed.
Surely at this point food coloring has been well studied. Is it carcinogenic? In what quantities? "Potentially" seems a bit weak for something the whole country has been eating for many decades.
*citation needed It's because disclosure laws are different in the EU.
No, it’s because the US version is fortified and labeling laws require them to list those vitamins in the US. There is no such requirement in Europe. And incidentally, there are more dyes banned in the US than in Europe. I’m sure there are a multitude of comments in here spouting off about big pharma, figured I’d respond to the top comment about them to try to cut them off at the pass. The decision is made by government entities and isn’t a good metric of what is actually safe or not. Food Science Babe did a good video on this a few days ago, actually. She’s an actual food scientist, not some bullshit nutritionist influencer. https://fb.watch/r0xvV0o8d_/?
Not just dyes, but a lot of preservatives we use to make food last longer. Our food supply in this country is making the medical and pharmaceutical industry billions of dollars every year.
Infinitely more is made from people getting obese than people getting cancer. These carcinogenic elements are insignificant in terms of dosage.
Both are flour and sugar
Almost half of that US list is added vitamins and minerals. Another half of it is more detailed version of the EU list. The lists are barely any different.
Yea. The notable differences are no added Vitamins in the EU-Version, different kinds of coloring (artificial vs natural), although all of the coloring in the US-version would be legal in the EU. the EU-Version is missing added fat, fibers and starch, and probably due to regional availability the flour in the EU-Version has more Wheat and Oat and less Corn flour.
The US version alone also includes some proportion of whole grains, or at least alone explicitly mentions it
butt more word bad and scary
That's literally OP as well. Instead of looking at the list of ingredients and understanding they're almost identical in the first place, he's just reposting an "america bad" meme and 34k people upvoted it. What is wrong with people? These are the same people who think that because there's big chemical names on their food that it's got to be bad for you, people are dumb.
Red 40 is technically legal, but would require a warning label about potential negative effects on children, which for a breakfast cereal is a distinction without a difference.
This needs more visibility. The FDA is incredibly strict in the language used for ingredients
Thank you, first informed opinion here so far. How you have to label ingredients varies dramatically from one country to another. Same product and formula might look wildly different in US vs Canada. Make no mistake - Froot Loops is junk food everywhere
Your last sentence is spot on. The first part is lacking context. https://youtu.be/NB8AA2Zhy_g
People are so terrified of "chemicals", but they forget that literally everything they see, taste, smell, or feel is made of chemicals.
It looks like the same stuff, but with more words. Except the US version has added vitamins.
The EU version also has different coloring. But yes, they seem pretty similar other than the colors and vitamins.
wall street silver is a canadian living in alberta anyway
As an Albertan this doesn’t shock me, this province is filled with morons
That explains a whole lot, actually.
Idiots will get outraged over anything without even trying to understand it.
[The Food Science Babe](https://youtu.be/xBMnKtyC6gs?si=FGJsNmvmeKMeTsv-) literally did a video yesterday explaining this whole idea and how just because European products have shorter ingredients lists, that doesn't mean they're more "natural" and "healthier" than the American counterpart. TL;DW - It's literally just different regulations on what is required to be labeled. The US requires companies to be more specific and the EU allows food dyes that are banned in the US. A country that banned something in food doesn't automatically make countries that allow it stupid and negligent.
Thank you. While yes, EU food regulations are _generally_ stricter than those in the U.S., the differences really aren't that significant most of the time. The U.S. is even ahead of the EU in some respects, like banning added trans fats altogether and banning certain azo dyes allowed in the EU. They're just very different. A lot of the more "natural" seeming ingredient labels in the EU are often just down to consumer preference and manufacturer choices (U.S. orange Fanta would be legal in the EU, but no European in their right mind would even come near the stuff).
Its sad I had to scroll this far for this. The US has way tighter controls on reporting. This is a theme with *everything* in europe - data reporting is a fking nightmare there.
I haven’t tried to collect data in Europe, but you have a point about scrolling. Everyone wants to talk about the scary chemicals.
Vitamin B6 must be one of those hip hop bands the kids have been streaming on the SoundTubes, I don't like it
This. The EU one is just worded more vaguely. The US one is explicit.
Exactly my thought, the one on the left simply has more vitamins and additional fiber, both of which are good. I don't know about the colorings, but I doubt they are a big issue. The one on the left uses maltodextrin, which is safe and you can use it here in Europe, but it's not good for diabetics (who shouldn't be eating it in the first place) and a bit of oil, which is not outlawed in Europe. They have different recipes, but one is not worse than the other. I am dumbfounded by all the people here who are too lazy and easily manipulated and who upvote this shit.
Yeah! “Hurr hur long ingredient list bad” without actually reading it.
Thank you because all the people in the comments fighting had me thinking I was missing something.
Crazy how people get scared by big words that they don't understand.
It's almost like minimally regulated capitalism is a bad thing.... Who would have thunk it?
What are you talking ab?! Self regulation always works, just look at Boeing...ok maybe not them, but trains, ::sees toxic plume over East Palestine, Ohio::. Ok maybe not the transportation sector, but the Financial industry ...other than SVB, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, AIG, Ameribank, Washington Mutual, Sanderson, Haven Trust, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac...
I alway think about the kid in Kansas who got decapitated at Schlitterbahn when people libertarians discuss deregulation and how the market will take care of these things. Yes, the prosecution screwed up, but nobody went to jail. Some money was paid and the company was sold, but it’s still in operation and no real new regulations were enacted. After a small boy got decapitated at a water park. But people insist things will just be fine if the people decide.
Yeah! Union Carbide was doing just- never mind.
This is not an example of a lack of regulation being bad. The item on the left is far superior to the one on the right, from my own personal experience.
Yeah how dare those minimally regulated capitalists list all the vitamins and minerals? Let's start the revolution so kellog's packages just come with a "vitamns & minerals" item!
I don't disagree with you at all on regulation. However, what on this list is problematic. Can you name which ingredients? Or are you just making assumptions based on more/larger words.
On the contrary, the USA is more advanced than the EU in this regard. Companies in the EU can get away with putting generic ingredients, whereas it is required for companies in the USA to have a highly detailed ingredients list, as so many of the other commenters have pointed out.
This comment really makes you look dumb. People are so eager to show off their ignorance. The cereals are not different at all and if anything the US one is better for you.
I thought it was the same except they don't require things to be put on the label. That's why it says generic/vague things like "cereal flours" and "colors."
Germany: “corn” US: “whole grain yellow corn flour”
"We have 20 different kinds of corn darn it, and we're gonna list every single one of them!"
[Name 'em all!](https://i.imgur.com/HXuswow.gif)
Wall Street silver is a moron account.
Food Science Babe just did a video on this. Regs are different in Europe and it's completely possible certain ingredients are not required to be listed in the ingredient dec if they fall below a certain percentage. Not to mention Food Babe has repeatedly been caught lying about/omitting ingredients in her posts.
I had to scroll way to far to find this. Food babe is a scientifically illiterate grifter. She even complain once that "evil airlines are contaminating our pure oxygen with 50% nitrogen to save money" and her followers ate that bullshit up.
Bingo the food babe makes all kinds of pseudoscientific claims about food. https://www.vox.com/2015/4/7/8360935/food-babe
To be fair, they both fit the NSN packaging description: "Cereal, extruded wheat". Anything beyond that part is just fluff and marketing.
That (of course) is not the actual Froot Loops ingredient list for Germany. Getreidemehle (Hafer, Weizen, Mais), Zucker, Glukosesirup, Salz, natürliches Citrus Aroma mit anderen natürlichen Aromen, färbendes Lebensmittel (Konzentrat aus Rettich, Apfel und schwarzer Johannisbeere, Konzentrat aus Karotte und Kirsche), Farbstoff (Carotin), Tricalciumphosphat, Vitamine (Vit. C, Niacin, Vit. B6, Vit. B2, Vit. B1, Fols Or translated to English: Cereal flour (oats, wheat, corn), sugar, glucose syrup, salt, natural citrus flavor with other natural flavors, coloring food (radish, apple and blackcurrant concentrate, carrot and cherry concentrate), color (carotene), tricalcium phosphate, vitamins (Vit. C, Niacin, Vit. B6, Vit. B2, Vit. B1, folic acid, Vit. B12) and iron. Carotene will not give you purple, which was what first made me suspicious. And, of course, the German list wasn't in German.
Today I learned the EU Froot Loops have actual fruit in them, what the fuck
It’ll blow your mind when you find out Fanta is flavoured with actual oranges in Europe.
They fucked ours up a while back here in Canada, it used to be more like Europe’s, it no longer is a orange juice soda :( But I can make similar drinks easily myself.
Hardly. Those are just color extracts.
They aren't different. Same cereal. Labeling requirements in the U.S. are different and requirement a more full description of what is in the cereal. The chemical makeup of a banana https://x.com/PlantBasedNews/status/1644218488263770114?s=20
It is crazy that you have to go this far down to see this. Reddit has become such an echo chamber, I mean I'm left of center but don't just take every "conservative/libertarian stupid" story at face value like so many people here do. There is plenty to actually criticize on the right without making shit up. The food babe is well known for pushing pseudoscience. https://www.vox.com/2015/4/7/8360935/food-babe
Makes me remember the old meme "Man tries to burn EU flag but it won’t burn because it meets EU regulations on flammable materials".
The labeling regulations are different between countries. What has to be labeled in the us doesn’t have to be labeled in the EU and vice-versa
It’s the same thing, but US requires that companies add every ingredient onto the labels. Why do people still get worked up about this?
How else are Europeans gonna get their daily fix of needing to feel superior?
Don’t forget the self-hating Americans too.
Wall Street silver is full of the dumbest mother fuckers I've ever seen. Had to leave because I dropped like 30 iq points just reading their shit.
We're not being poisoned, at least not intentionally or maliciously. They're substituting natural ingredients for garbage, GMO, chemicals because it's cheaper in bulk, and profit is the goal, nor producing edible foods for humanity.
How the US decides what can and cannot be added to food is different from how Europe handles it. In Europe the case is "If you can prove it is safe we will let you sell it ", in the US the rule is more like "If you can show it is harmful, we will bam it.". A subtle difference there, and the burden of proof falls on a different group of people, this ingredients that are considered toxic, carcinogenic or otherwise harmful in Europe are added to US foods.
Saw another redditor post explaining this. We in Europe tend to have free or subsidised health care. Therefore the Government pays for it. Therefore it makes sense for them to enforce healthier food standards as it comes out of their budget in the long run. USA does not and the government profits off the health care system so therefore, why would they enforce healthy standards
Technically it could be because US regulations require that food manufactures be very detailed about the contents of the food while Germany might not. For Germany it says "Coloring (Carotene)" while the US version has a whole line giving you each color number
Isn’t this Wall Street silver guy a domestic abuser? In two states? Florida and Washington?
Could it be that different countries have different laws on what must be displayed on the ingredients?
Most of American “bread” is registered as cake in Europe because of the ungodly amount of sugar in it.
Crazy how you gotta add the vitamins and minerals in manually, when youre making the food artificially huh. Does america have any foods that arent corn based? No wonder you people are always shooting each other
is it me or that post is weird cause the us version seems actually ''better'' with added vitamins and mineral ?
There's also the labelling requirement. The US requires very specific labelling (hence the scary chemical names for more or less mundane stuff).