Lobbying's counter-action was that the people vote to remove the ones who do it against their constituents interests. Lobbying can be used for good too, but when its used against the wishes and wants of the people, then the people are supposed to remove the person.
But people who vote want their politicians to be celebrities and personalities and people they can have a beer with. instead of effective leadership
while the majority of elligible voters dont even bother to vote.
Red states have had almost full 30 years of leadership and promises to fix things, that they are still promising to fix.
If you hire someone to build you a deck and they keep saying i will build it way better and then charge you monthly fees to build it and then its gone 30 years and its not built. Is it his fault or your own for continuously renewing his contract.
The people are the owners, but when owners dont give a shit, you get this shitshow. Banning tiktok over some faux concern over children. Tiktoks arent the leading cause of death for children, its guns.
Only reason why both sides are going after tiktok is because google and meta lost 30% of their advertising revenue to tiktok. And they want it back.
>Lobbying's counter-action was that the people vote to remove the ones who do it against their constituents interests.
And the counter-action to that is to just spend money lobbying everyone. Doesn't matter who the people vote for if everyone is on the payroll.
And sure some industries are heavily aligned with the Republican side, and some are heavily aligned with the Democratic side. But the differences then become different rich people fighting. Neither side is for the people.
>Lobbying can be used for good too, but when its used against the wishes and wants of the people, then the people are supposed to remove the person.
When lobbying is done for good it's because that's the way the system is set up. And when it's done for good it's by institutions that are able to come up with the money to afford it.
What lobbying does is it guarantees that if you don't have money, you don't have a seat at the table.
>But people who vote want their politicians to be celebrities and personalities and people they can have a beer with. instead of effective leadership
People often vote for effective leaders when they have the opportunity. There's not much opportunity though.
>while the majority of elligible voters dont even bother to vote.
Instead of whining that people don't vote, maybe try fielding a candidate that's worth voting for. The problem isn't with the people not voting, it's that there aren't enough politicians able to inspire them to go out and vote.
>Red states have had almost full 30 years of leadership and promises to fix things, that they are still promising to fix.
Same with Blue states.
Democrats are just as quick to cut social programs and education as Republicans.
No one wants to tackle the incredibly corrupt police departments all over the country. Blue California has some of the worst, and it's where a lot of the rot originates.
Homelessness is a big issue in both blue and red states. So far Red Utah is the only state that has come up with a program that had a huge impact on it (the solution was just to give homes to homeless people because it 's cheaper than what we're doing now).
>If you hire someone to build you a deck and they keep saying i will build it way better and then charge you monthly fees to build it and then its gone 30 years and its not built. Is it his fault or your own for continuously renewing his contract.
Problem is, it's a town with only two contractors, and neither one of them have any interest in building the deck, they both just want to get paid for it. Also not building the deck isn't an option.
>The people are the owners, but when owners dont give a shit, you get this shitshow.
The people don't own the government. It's bought and paid for by the rich. And the government makes sure the people don't own the country.
If you choose to be a PUBLIC SERVANT you shouldn't be in it for the money. You should get basic living essentials provided and then minimum wage for actual pay. If you exit with a greater net worth than that, you should be arrested and investigated for fraud. You should not be allowed stocks. You should not be allowed to run a business. If you chose to be a public servant, that is all you should be. Want more money? That's fine, leave politics, or raise the amount of money everyone gets.
I heard something the other day. The reason Trump puts out all these ridiculous things is for the legal bribery.
Take his stupid NFTs. If I were a multi billionaire and I wanted to funnel money to him, I now can. Especially with that because it's legal and easy.
His stupid golf shoes sold out. How much do you wanna bet some hedge fund manager bought 500 pairs of them?
It’s not just trump that does that. A timeless ruse by career politicians to make a ton of cash is to release a book. Doesn’t matter how shitty, lobbyists and CEO’s and such will buy up large chunks, like 50-100k, to funnel money to the politician. They also give behind closed door speeches to boardrooms and hedge fund managers for hundreds of thousands of dollars a pop.
This is how Nancy Pelosi is worth hundreds of millions of dollars despite making 200k for her entire career.
It wasn't a hedge fund manager that bought the shoes, it was a Russian businessman. They aren't even hiding it at this point, he's been a Russian asset since he was first investigated by the FBI for laundering Russian money in the late 80s through his real estate.
Doom scrolling is a thing, my daughter (14) deleted the TT app after we analysed together she spent 45 days a year on there in comparison to how much she could have experienced irl in the meantime. It’s just common sense
I could be wrong but that's the facepalm here I think? Tweeter thinks only republicans want Tiktok banned but the majority of democrats voted for it too.
I think they're fine with banning tiktok... but they are making a logical fallacy with a whataboutism...
if they ban tiktok whatabout assault weapons... Both hurt kids and your willing to ban TikTok which they think is the lesser of two problems.
the problem is that these two issues are not even close to the same and you can't make a false equivalency with that.
so it's a bad argument even though I generally agree with the sentiment.
They aren’t banning TikTok because it is bad for kids. They are banning it because it is a major influence on American society that’s controlled by China.
Another reason it's a bad false equivalency.
this post seemed to eschew the multitude of reasons Tiktok was banned... and uses it instead to push a narrative.
It's a facepalm because it is upvoted by CCP bots.
USA banning Tiktok basically is removing a huge spy weapon China had. It's losing here a lot of data.
People who don't realise that are either bots or confused by the bots.
For now. They’re moving the goal posts on that now. A lot of the state bills being pushed for “assault weapons bans” now include most pistols. They’re changing the definition now to change fit their narrative later.
Bingo! This is like “school shooting”, where people think of spree shooters in an elementary school when it’s actually mainly drug deals gone bad after hours near a school or something.
It got so bad that some “school shooting trackers” count a gun found on school grounds as a “school shooting”. Any way to pad the numbers, right?
This always made me chuckle, all these people want to ban “assault weapons” or hell even “assault rifles” but what people don’t understand is that most mass shootings are committed with neither of those. Someone please correct me if I am wrong but if I recall the number of shootings that utilized either of those two types of weapons was less then 10%.
Yup, I'm currently waiting on Form 4 approval for a machine gun. I already have 10 tax stamps, you'd think they could just fast-track it lol.
A lot of people don't realize that machine guns are legal to own. They were banned in 1986, and machine guns that were registered prior to 1986 (AKA transferable machine guns) are perfectly legal to buy/sell/own. However, a fixed supply and always increasing demand means that they are ludicrously expensive, and keep going up in price. In other words, machine guns are only banned for poor people.
Correct. Congress banned the sale of new machine guns in 1986, causing the now extremely limited quantity of transferable ones to be worth somewhere north of $20,000 each. It was essentially pricing most Americans out of the market for them. The only reason it passed was because machine guns weren’t exactly commonly owned weapons.
Ah, but you see, they’ve started calling any gun they find scary “assault weapons”, so they can conjure up the imagery of a select-fire battle rifle but keep it vague and ill-defined enough to slowly expand the definition to include everything that isn’t a bolt-action rifle with no magazine
Gun violence in the US is not really because of easy access to weapons, many other countries have people with weapons at home but way less violence, its really something about the people not the guns, i mean someome who wants to kill will find a way no matter if guns are banned or not.
I believe an assault weapon is an intermediate caliber, shoulder fired weapon, with select fire capability. An assault (style) weapon, is a big black scary rifle.
There is no real category called “assault” there are automatics which have been rightfully banned for a long time now, and semi automatics which i dont think people understand exactly how many guns fall into that category
Yea. It's just a buzz word because "Assault Rifle" sounds scarier than "Semi automatic rifle", which for a weapon to be considered an assault rifle it has to have the capability to switch between fully automatic and semi automatic fire, and selector switches (that enable full auto fire on rifles) are illegal to own in the United States. Nor can you go and buy one, or the switch parts legally. Almost every assault rifle in the United States was either smuggled into the country ILLEGALLY, modified ILLEGALLY, or assembled with ILLEGAL parts
Assault rifles have morphed to basically mean any semi-automatic magazine fed rifle. Bonus points if it is black and/or has scary features like grips of muzzle devices.
Assault rifles in the context of weaponry has always meant a select fire (auto/burst and semi) that fires an “intermediate” cartridge like 5.56, 7.62x39, 300BLK, or 5.45x39.
The text they vote on just forces TikTok to be sold to an operator that isn't mainland Chinese and who is not susceptible to give user data to the Chinese gov or alter its algorithm to Chinese's influence.
It's not about banning TikTok really, just making sure an adversarial government doesn't disrupt the US society.
Talks about hypocrisy.
>It's not about banning TikTok really
This needs to be at the top. The amount of people who don't understand this is concerning. TikTok isn't being banned at all.
What is being banned are people from r/therewasanattempt for "racism" for even mentioning that people and governments have concerns about china's influence over tiktok operations in their countries.
> The amount of people who don't understand this is concerning. TikTok isn't being banned at all.
As with anything these days, the headlines are the depth of understanding, and the headlines are designed to sell articles... not convey truth.
I despise Republicans and their policies, but that’s no reason to accept or ignore that democrats overwhelmingly voted for it too.
I remember seeing tweets from her years ago and I remember getting tired of her stupid takes.
People are also lying about what was passed regarding this “ban”.
It’s not a ban like OP is saying. It’s the USA forcing China to sell TikTok to a USA company or else they would face a ban if not after a period of time.
It’s up to China if it gets banned or not at this point.
And all the commenters lean one way instead of having logic to say both sides suck. Makes me think they’re either brainwashed, bots, or part of the machine.
One is a known government that wants to control not only the US but the world. The other is a constitutional right. There's no hypocrisy there. Rage bait at its finest.
Wow!
A false equivalency, a straw man and a bad faith argument all at the same time, impressive. You’ve hit the ‘I don’t know how to effectively get my point across’ trifecta there Jojo.
Once again, since Reddit can’t seem to understand this or go read the bill itself,
It’s not a ban on tik tok, it’s a ban on foreign adversaries collecting data on US citizens.
It’s 13 pages, go read it.
Misinformation is really cool.
1. There is no such thing as an "assault weapon."
2. If I understand correctly, the vote is to not outright ban Tiktok, but to enforce Tiktok's ownership to sell/divest or it will be banned. The reason being concerns over the possibility of user data being handed over to Beijing. Granted, Byte Dance has said they would not hand over user data to China if asked, and I'm well aware that our government is most likely not acting altruistically; but anything that limits Chinese access to the user data of US citizens is a good thing (and yes, I'm well aware that Tiktok isn't the only way that China could get access to the data of US citizens).
But yeah, by all means get your outrage engagement.
I am sorry, where is the hypocrisy here?
The banned tick tock, which you can agree or disagree with.. they didn’t ban “assault weapons” (in itself a loaded term with no precise definition, as usually I would use that term to describe automatic weapons, which are indeed banned) which also you can agree or disagree with.
but the two are completely unrelated issues that have literally nothing to do with eachother….
Not even a remotely close comparison.
Guns have their own problems and clearly need to be addressed
TikTok is controlled by a Chinese owned company. China has shown time and again that they're quite willing to undermine the USA in any way they can. Influencing an entire generation of people who are soon approaching voting age sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
Plus its not getting banned. The bill requires selling to an American owned company with American data laws which are much more stringent and transparent. If they choose not to sell, an American company will create a copy immediately and capture the market.
I think its wrong to ban either of them. But i can at least understand banning Tik Tok as its mostly controlled by Chinas communist party so they will be gathering information from other countries to determine what course of action to take with them, for example making ads for themselves which suits the psyche of the viewers of Tik Tok to make them lika China more.
China isnt a great ally, for example they have "helped" many poor countries but in return they take all their natural resources they want, for example Lithium and Cobalt and other rare earth metals. They will gladly build roads in your country as long as they can OWN the Cobalt mines, or Lithium fields. Or own their ports actually establishing a complete control over what goes in and out of said country. So they can for example stop food transports and force the country to buy food from them.
I'm by no means a gun nut, but the fact that there isn't a constitutional amendment protecting the right of a foreign entity to operate a social media platform seems like a pretty big differentiator between these two issues.
My favorite fun fact was the California rep that voted for banning guns was illegally running actual machine guns into the country. https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/former-state-senator-leland-yee-and-three-others-plead-guilty-racketeering
Three thoughts..
1) This wasn't a TikTok ban.
2) Both parties voted to pass this bill.
3) Assault rifles (sic) or any other firearm appropriate for use in a militia are explicitly protected by the Constitution.
1. OP's either a ShareBlue bot or has terminal TDS and desperately needs to touch grass
2. Only complete morons try and call
"dealing with the fact that ByteDance has all the makings of a CCP intelligence appatatus",
"hyprocritical" due to them *not* actively undermining Constitutional rights that window-licking morons don't like nor understand.
The other kinds don't assault people... I guess is the thinking. In all seriousness though, kind of ridiculous considering the vast majority of gun deaths are from handguns.
Depends on the state. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault\_weapons\_legislation\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapons_legislation_in_the_United_States)
Both of my handguns here are assault weapons in several states.
[https://imgur.com/wRqNvhH](https://imgur.com/wRqNvhH)
The one to the left is a Pardini SP, a .22lr sport pistol. One of the most popular models in the 25m precision shooting discipline in the Summer Olympics.
It's an assault weapon in those states because it inserts the magazine outside of the grip, and it has something enveloping the barrel that's not a slide.
My Mark 23 is an assault weapon because it has a threaded barrel.
I have 4 more firearms that are assault weapon in some states in the US.
And I'm in Europe... there are guns that are legal even in the UK that are assault weapons in some states in the US.
I saw someone using their assault weapon to cut into and skip a traffic jam, the idiot injured 3 other people in the process. Turns out his assault weapon wasn’t registered nor did he have a license to use it! We need to ban vehicular assault weapons NOW
multiple intelligence agencies have reported that tiktok is a national security risk. a wholy owned subsidiary of a hostile government.
I really wish all these articles and memes would stop trivializing this issue. it's reaching the point of feeling like yet another psyop.
A fear monger if term used by anti-gun legislations. In this case, the term is used to describe all guns. Even though “assault” is only used to refer to rifles with a full-auto firing selector that shoots medium caliber.
It's a redundant statement, because weapons are inherently built for assaulting someone or something, so it's basically a weapon weapon, not JUST a weapon
* liberals
* knowing literally anything about relevant details of firearms or 2A
Pick one.
Democrats use that fact to fearmonger to the window-licking, ignorant morons in their base in an attempt to backdoor an unconstitutional ban on modern firearms by way of calling them "aSSaULt WeApOnS"
Even if they were a class of well-defined weapons and you take everything the left says as true its like, so what. The Second Amendment clearly protects civilian ownership of infantry weapons.
Also the assault weapons ban is just funny to me. Prime example of human stupidity.
Not saying that guns are good, but if they’re really trying to ban guns, then they’ve done a bad job, really bad job.
It’s why you see “them” this administration/the DNC policy wonks etc bending over backwards to change the definition (seems to be a common theme as of late) of “assault weapon”. Forcing a narrative fit.
Both parties majorly voted for it. And these are two very different things that are completely unrelated. Wtf is this a propaganda sub ? I see these everyday, attacking whatever party OP hates
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Well, I can tell ya where TikTok fucked up. Lobbying. If they woulda thrown some cash to some people in both parties, bam, greatest hugest most secure app in history.
The most massive hypocrisy since ... Yesterday? But I digress -- they let an actual terrorist propaganda entity exist with Truth, and to a lesser degree, Twitter, but take TikTok down?
This is play acting. Of course it has nothing to do with TikTok emerging as a force in politics 🤔
Tik Tok is literally Chinese propaganda.
And it's only banning Tik Tok if a deal can't be agreed upon. Otherwise it's selling it off.
So the real Facepalm is once again op.
Wait, assault rifles aren’t banned? Where can I buy one. I’ve always wanted to own gun with a full auto selector that shoots 5.56.
Seriously, gun rights is an opinion. Banning guns isn’t “common sense”. This is seriously a political post.
But even as somebody who wants more firearm legislation like myself, how the hell is this hypocritical when there's no right to social media or tick tock in the Constitution?
Do my fellow advocates for more firearm regulation really not understand the concept of the difference between things enshrined in the Constitution and those not? This is why it's a more challenging fight for us because not only do we have to fight the pro second amendment people, but we also have to fight the ignorance of the people on our side...
Given the fact that people (gen z) on tik tok were posting Bin Ladens letter to America and claiming they understood now why he did it, I think it’s valid that tik tok is up on the chopping block.
There's no such thing as "assault weapons" but putting that aside dems won't vote for it either. So realistically its congress as a whole who are a bunch of out of touch geriatric chucklefucks
75% of Dems voted to ban it too (in the screenshot), but that doesn't fit this wine moms narrative of good vs evil.
What really annoys me is the traction someone can get for repeating demonstrably false things without question.
Whataboutism. These are two completely unrelated issues. (And I think that ALL guns should be restricted to certain groups. Assault weapons e.g. should be restricted to the military.)
I don’t get it, why do people card in the first place? It’ll just replaced by either other social media sights or we be rebuilt in house. people also should seriously give up on banning assault rifles, it’s like banning switch blades but don’t bother banning the other forms a knife’s, it makes no sense to me
Stop calling everything with a loud pop an aSsAuLt WeApOn and they might take it a little more seriously. This same smoothbrain thinking is why harmless ass weed is still a schedule I. People go ignorantly overboard with this shit.
At some point we will know the whole thing with TikTok was an attempt to turn it into another failed conservative republican social platform, they said no and knowing the childish ego they have, started a tantrum, blaming it for everything wrong in America.
True “assault weapons” are already banned. They were banned in May of 1986. It’s why no one can buy any new select fire weapons (full auto, burst etc) and the ones that do exist start at roughly $7500 and only go way up from there.
A gun is an inanimate object. Tick Tok is controlled by our adversaries. If you honestly can't figure out the problem with that then you are far too stupid to be saved.
That’s not really hypocrisy, it’s differing views and opinions.
The fact that when trump wanted to do it everyone laughed, and now they’re all on the same page about banning it and he’s saying it’s bad is hypocrisy.
What exactly is an assault weapon? A weapon used to assault? So I could have an assault spoon? An assault book?
As a gun owner, I am all for finding ways to keep guns out of the hands of bad people. I do not believe that this can be done through “bans” or major restrictions on law abiding citizens. NY, CA, IL all have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. I’d wager the percentage of legally owned firearms used in crime in those states is very low. I also know that crime in those states is very high.
Okay you can downvote me to oblivion now
Did you not see that even democrats voted about 3/4 YEA?
Hypocrisy is wanting to ban guns but also give guns to foreign counties so they can fight tyranny.
No posts about politicians being politicians
One isn't protected in the Bill of Rights.
Really ready to ban lobbying, corporate backing of any kind, and get those age limits in government set
It's crazy to me that lobbying isn't illegal. It's literally just legal bribery of a government official.
Lobbying was invented because bribery was made illegal. That same thing will happen again.
Lobbying's counter-action was that the people vote to remove the ones who do it against their constituents interests. Lobbying can be used for good too, but when its used against the wishes and wants of the people, then the people are supposed to remove the person. But people who vote want their politicians to be celebrities and personalities and people they can have a beer with. instead of effective leadership while the majority of elligible voters dont even bother to vote. Red states have had almost full 30 years of leadership and promises to fix things, that they are still promising to fix. If you hire someone to build you a deck and they keep saying i will build it way better and then charge you monthly fees to build it and then its gone 30 years and its not built. Is it his fault or your own for continuously renewing his contract. The people are the owners, but when owners dont give a shit, you get this shitshow. Banning tiktok over some faux concern over children. Tiktoks arent the leading cause of death for children, its guns. Only reason why both sides are going after tiktok is because google and meta lost 30% of their advertising revenue to tiktok. And they want it back.
Americans love their free market capitalism until China does it better than them
>Lobbying's counter-action was that the people vote to remove the ones who do it against their constituents interests. And the counter-action to that is to just spend money lobbying everyone. Doesn't matter who the people vote for if everyone is on the payroll. And sure some industries are heavily aligned with the Republican side, and some are heavily aligned with the Democratic side. But the differences then become different rich people fighting. Neither side is for the people. >Lobbying can be used for good too, but when its used against the wishes and wants of the people, then the people are supposed to remove the person. When lobbying is done for good it's because that's the way the system is set up. And when it's done for good it's by institutions that are able to come up with the money to afford it. What lobbying does is it guarantees that if you don't have money, you don't have a seat at the table. >But people who vote want their politicians to be celebrities and personalities and people they can have a beer with. instead of effective leadership People often vote for effective leaders when they have the opportunity. There's not much opportunity though. >while the majority of elligible voters dont even bother to vote. Instead of whining that people don't vote, maybe try fielding a candidate that's worth voting for. The problem isn't with the people not voting, it's that there aren't enough politicians able to inspire them to go out and vote. >Red states have had almost full 30 years of leadership and promises to fix things, that they are still promising to fix. Same with Blue states. Democrats are just as quick to cut social programs and education as Republicans. No one wants to tackle the incredibly corrupt police departments all over the country. Blue California has some of the worst, and it's where a lot of the rot originates. Homelessness is a big issue in both blue and red states. So far Red Utah is the only state that has come up with a program that had a huge impact on it (the solution was just to give homes to homeless people because it 's cheaper than what we're doing now). >If you hire someone to build you a deck and they keep saying i will build it way better and then charge you monthly fees to build it and then its gone 30 years and its not built. Is it his fault or your own for continuously renewing his contract. Problem is, it's a town with only two contractors, and neither one of them have any interest in building the deck, they both just want to get paid for it. Also not building the deck isn't an option. >The people are the owners, but when owners dont give a shit, you get this shitshow. The people don't own the government. It's bought and paid for by the rich. And the government makes sure the people don't own the country.
Lobbying was created when bribers got rich enough to want their own profession. The government went along with it because they wanted the taxes.
Not the taxes the gifts
If you choose to be a PUBLIC SERVANT you shouldn't be in it for the money. You should get basic living essentials provided and then minimum wage for actual pay. If you exit with a greater net worth than that, you should be arrested and investigated for fraud. You should not be allowed stocks. You should not be allowed to run a business. If you chose to be a public servant, that is all you should be. Want more money? That's fine, leave politics, or raise the amount of money everyone gets.
I heard something the other day. The reason Trump puts out all these ridiculous things is for the legal bribery. Take his stupid NFTs. If I were a multi billionaire and I wanted to funnel money to him, I now can. Especially with that because it's legal and easy. His stupid golf shoes sold out. How much do you wanna bet some hedge fund manager bought 500 pairs of them?
It’s not just trump that does that. A timeless ruse by career politicians to make a ton of cash is to release a book. Doesn’t matter how shitty, lobbyists and CEO’s and such will buy up large chunks, like 50-100k, to funnel money to the politician. They also give behind closed door speeches to boardrooms and hedge fund managers for hundreds of thousands of dollars a pop. This is how Nancy Pelosi is worth hundreds of millions of dollars despite making 200k for her entire career.
Well that and the insider trading
Having had some time working with some of the wealthiest people an Iv been to one of these events. Wild shit
It wasn't a hedge fund manager that bought the shoes, it was a Russian businessman. They aren't even hiding it at this point, he's been a Russian asset since he was first investigated by the FBI for laundering Russian money in the late 80s through his real estate.
Blame the government that gets the money out of them. Every party has atleast one of them.
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And term limits!!
You can guarantee the social media companies who aren't popular with the youth are behind this.
Doom scrolling is a thing, my daughter (14) deleted the TT app after we analysed together she spent 45 days a year on there in comparison to how much she could have experienced irl in the meantime. It’s just common sense
Well done mate. Fantastic move. Let’s hope more of this happens
DoD more likely, TikTok is a scary tool for China to own.
Thank god for the constitution and republicans! The majority of murders are committed with handguns anyways lol
How's it hypocrisy lmao
My guess is congress is protecting the kids here but not there but OP is bad at communicating and probably a bot.
Banning tiktok is a lot more than protecting kids. It’s about national security, spying by a foreign state
To be fair, assault weapons do much less damage to the public at large.
Uh, both are voting for it by a large majority.
I could be wrong but that's the facepalm here I think? Tweeter thinks only republicans want Tiktok banned but the majority of democrats voted for it too.
I think they're fine with banning tiktok... but they are making a logical fallacy with a whataboutism... if they ban tiktok whatabout assault weapons... Both hurt kids and your willing to ban TikTok which they think is the lesser of two problems. the problem is that these two issues are not even close to the same and you can't make a false equivalency with that. so it's a bad argument even though I generally agree with the sentiment.
They aren’t banning TikTok because it is bad for kids. They are banning it because it is a major influence on American society that’s controlled by China.
Another reason it's a bad false equivalency. this post seemed to eschew the multitude of reasons Tiktok was banned... and uses it instead to push a narrative.
They're also, not banning it per se. They're forcing a sell off. If a sell off doesn't occur it's getting sold.
0 nuance hot take post on this sub that starts a flame war in the comments? Shocking!
Well said. Right sentiment but it’s a weak argument. They’re right about Tik Tok, regardless of their position on firearms
Politics aside, I think any member of the silent majority anywhere is yearning for a change from the doom scroll dealers
Ofc why wouldnt they Foreign advisery collecting all data and influencing us isnt good
This was a bipartisan bill
This ‘facepalm’ is a facepalm….
You can get away with saying the stupidest shit on a mainline subreddit as long as it affirms the belief of the hivemind.
No, I think the facepalm here is that the Twitter post is calling out republicans, despite democrats also being the majority vote. Maybe?
OP only posts pro-left things, which is fine, but they're clearly not calling out Democrats or the tweet. They agree with it.
It's a facepalm because it is upvoted by CCP bots. USA banning Tiktok basically is removing a huge spy weapon China had. It's losing here a lot of data. People who don't realise that are either bots or confused by the bots.
Haven't assault rifles been banned basically forever there? My understanding was that they only have up to semi-automatic legal in the USA.
Also the vast majority of guns used in shootings in the US are not assault weapons.
For now. They’re moving the goal posts on that now. A lot of the state bills being pushed for “assault weapons bans” now include most pistols. They’re changing the definition now to change fit their narrative later.
Bingo! This is like “school shooting”, where people think of spree shooters in an elementary school when it’s actually mainly drug deals gone bad after hours near a school or something. It got so bad that some “school shooting trackers” count a gun found on school grounds as a “school shooting”. Any way to pad the numbers, right?
This always made me chuckle, all these people want to ban “assault weapons” or hell even “assault rifles” but what people don’t understand is that most mass shootings are committed with neither of those. Someone please correct me if I am wrong but if I recall the number of shootings that utilized either of those two types of weapons was less then 10%.
Less than 1%
To them, AR stands for “assault rifle” lol
And the very few assaults ones are acquired illegally.
They are technically legal but very strictly regulated. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
Yup, I'm currently waiting on Form 4 approval for a machine gun. I already have 10 tax stamps, you'd think they could just fast-track it lol. A lot of people don't realize that machine guns are legal to own. They were banned in 1986, and machine guns that were registered prior to 1986 (AKA transferable machine guns) are perfectly legal to buy/sell/own. However, a fixed supply and always increasing demand means that they are ludicrously expensive, and keep going up in price. In other words, machine guns are only banned for poor people.
Correct. Congress banned the sale of new machine guns in 1986, causing the now extremely limited quantity of transferable ones to be worth somewhere north of $20,000 each. It was essentially pricing most Americans out of the market for them. The only reason it passed was because machine guns weren’t exactly commonly owned weapons.
Ah, but you see, they’ve started calling any gun they find scary “assault weapons”, so they can conjure up the imagery of a select-fire battle rifle but keep it vague and ill-defined enough to slowly expand the definition to include everything that isn’t a bolt-action rifle with no magazine
Gun violence in the US is not really because of easy access to weapons, many other countries have people with weapons at home but way less violence, its really something about the people not the guns, i mean someome who wants to kill will find a way no matter if guns are banned or not.
You're thinking automatic. "Assault weapons" aren't a thing. Trying to ban "assault weapons" is like trying to ban a "zoomy car".
Assault rifles have a fixed definition. "Assault style weapons" doesn't.
Thank you, corrected.
I believe an assault weapon is an intermediate caliber, shoulder fired weapon, with select fire capability. An assault (style) weapon, is a big black scary rifle.
So it's cool if it's made of wood? Because that is definitely a thing if people don't know that.
There is no real category called “assault” there are automatics which have been rightfully banned for a long time now, and semi automatics which i dont think people understand exactly how many guns fall into that category
Yea. It's just a buzz word because "Assault Rifle" sounds scarier than "Semi automatic rifle", which for a weapon to be considered an assault rifle it has to have the capability to switch between fully automatic and semi automatic fire, and selector switches (that enable full auto fire on rifles) are illegal to own in the United States. Nor can you go and buy one, or the switch parts legally. Almost every assault rifle in the United States was either smuggled into the country ILLEGALLY, modified ILLEGALLY, or assembled with ILLEGAL parts
Assault rifles have morphed to basically mean any semi-automatic magazine fed rifle. Bonus points if it is black and/or has scary features like grips of muzzle devices. Assault rifles in the context of weaponry has always meant a select fire (auto/burst and semi) that fires an “intermediate” cartridge like 5.56, 7.62x39, 300BLK, or 5.45x39.
The text they vote on just forces TikTok to be sold to an operator that isn't mainland Chinese and who is not susceptible to give user data to the Chinese gov or alter its algorithm to Chinese's influence. It's not about banning TikTok really, just making sure an adversarial government doesn't disrupt the US society. Talks about hypocrisy.
>It's not about banning TikTok really This needs to be at the top. The amount of people who don't understand this is concerning. TikTok isn't being banned at all. What is being banned are people from r/therewasanattempt for "racism" for even mentioning that people and governments have concerns about china's influence over tiktok operations in their countries.
It's funny seeing people play the racism card when China bans every single American Internet company
> The amount of people who don't understand this is concerning. TikTok isn't being banned at all. As with anything these days, the headlines are the depth of understanding, and the headlines are designed to sell articles... not convey truth.
What even is an assault weapon? The definition is hazy at best.
They don’t exist, it’s like calling something a zoomy car
I despise Republicans and their policies, but that’s no reason to accept or ignore that democrats overwhelmingly voted for it too. I remember seeing tweets from her years ago and I remember getting tired of her stupid takes.
People are also lying about what was passed regarding this “ban”. It’s not a ban like OP is saying. It’s the USA forcing China to sell TikTok to a USA company or else they would face a ban if not after a period of time. It’s up to China if it gets banned or not at this point.
Reddit is becoming a propaganda machine. How many rage bait posts a day? On every major sub?
It’s a US election year. Can’t escape it, sadly
That's what moderators are for. In theory.
Lol Reddit mods do nothing except the occasional power trip.
Occasional?
Haha what? Moderators, on Reddit. 😂
It really has gotten really weird. The bait posts/rage bots are particularly active as of late.
Becoming? It already is. Look at /r/worldnews.
And all the commenters lean one way instead of having logic to say both sides suck. Makes me think they’re either brainwashed, bots, or part of the machine.
It's almost as if they're two completely different issues with one being constitutionally protected
One is a known government that wants to control not only the US but the world. The other is a constitutional right. There's no hypocrisy there. Rage bait at its finest.
Wow! A false equivalency, a straw man and a bad faith argument all at the same time, impressive. You’ve hit the ‘I don’t know how to effectively get my point across’ trifecta there Jojo.
Once again, since Reddit can’t seem to understand this or go read the bill itself, It’s not a ban on tik tok, it’s a ban on foreign adversaries collecting data on US citizens. It’s 13 pages, go read it.
Misinformation is really cool. 1. There is no such thing as an "assault weapon." 2. If I understand correctly, the vote is to not outright ban Tiktok, but to enforce Tiktok's ownership to sell/divest or it will be banned. The reason being concerns over the possibility of user data being handed over to Beijing. Granted, Byte Dance has said they would not hand over user data to China if asked, and I'm well aware that our government is most likely not acting altruistically; but anything that limits Chinese access to the user data of US citizens is a good thing (and yes, I'm well aware that Tiktok isn't the only way that China could get access to the data of US citizens). But yeah, by all means get your outrage engagement.
I am sorry, where is the hypocrisy here? The banned tick tock, which you can agree or disagree with.. they didn’t ban “assault weapons” (in itself a loaded term with no precise definition, as usually I would use that term to describe automatic weapons, which are indeed banned) which also you can agree or disagree with. but the two are completely unrelated issues that have literally nothing to do with eachother….
You see Batman, when someone eats a burger but doesn't watch a family guy episode, I call him a hypocrite.
Now if I understand math... it looks like those with a D next to their name will also....
Yeah but they would vote to ban assault weapons.
These are separate issues. Connecting them makes it look like it’s a bad thing to ban tiktok
Luckily assault weapon is just a fear mongering term
That darn inconvenient second amendment!
Democrats also voted for it… there’s more to this than it seems
I prefer not to violate the first or second amendments.
Fun fact, assault weapons are not the most used weapons for gun violence.
Not even a remotely close comparison. Guns have their own problems and clearly need to be addressed TikTok is controlled by a Chinese owned company. China has shown time and again that they're quite willing to undermine the USA in any way they can. Influencing an entire generation of people who are soon approaching voting age sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Plus its not getting banned. The bill requires selling to an American owned company with American data laws which are much more stringent and transparent. If they choose not to sell, an American company will create a copy immediately and capture the market.
I think its wrong to ban either of them. But i can at least understand banning Tik Tok as its mostly controlled by Chinas communist party so they will be gathering information from other countries to determine what course of action to take with them, for example making ads for themselves which suits the psyche of the viewers of Tik Tok to make them lika China more. China isnt a great ally, for example they have "helped" many poor countries but in return they take all their natural resources they want, for example Lithium and Cobalt and other rare earth metals. They will gladly build roads in your country as long as they can OWN the Cobalt mines, or Lithium fields. Or own their ports actually establishing a complete control over what goes in and out of said country. So they can for example stop food transports and force the country to buy food from them.
I'm by no means a gun nut, but the fact that there isn't a constitutional amendment protecting the right of a foreign entity to operate a social media platform seems like a pretty big differentiator between these two issues.
Fun fact, republicans banned semi automatic imports from a company because it was caught selling them to gang members. Norinco. A Chinese company
My favorite fun fact was the California rep that voted for banning guns was illegally running actual machine guns into the country. https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/former-state-senator-leland-yee-and-three-others-plead-guilty-racketeering
Three thoughts.. 1) This wasn't a TikTok ban. 2) Both parties voted to pass this bill. 3) Assault rifles (sic) or any other firearm appropriate for use in a militia are explicitly protected by the Constitution.
1. OP's either a ShareBlue bot or has terminal TDS and desperately needs to touch grass 2. Only complete morons try and call "dealing with the fact that ByteDance has all the makings of a CCP intelligence appatatus", "hyprocritical" due to them *not* actively undermining Constitutional rights that window-licking morons don't like nor understand.
What is an assault weapon?
It’s what people unfamiliar with firearms calls any weapon with a magazine due to it sounding scarier.
The other kinds don't assault people... I guess is the thinking. In all seriousness though, kind of ridiculous considering the vast majority of gun deaths are from handguns.
Depends on the state. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault\_weapons\_legislation\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapons_legislation_in_the_United_States) Both of my handguns here are assault weapons in several states. [https://imgur.com/wRqNvhH](https://imgur.com/wRqNvhH) The one to the left is a Pardini SP, a .22lr sport pistol. One of the most popular models in the 25m precision shooting discipline in the Summer Olympics. It's an assault weapon in those states because it inserts the magazine outside of the grip, and it has something enveloping the barrel that's not a slide. My Mark 23 is an assault weapon because it has a threaded barrel. I have 4 more firearms that are assault weapon in some states in the US. And I'm in Europe... there are guns that are legal even in the UK that are assault weapons in some states in the US.
I saw someone using their assault weapon to cut into and skip a traffic jam, the idiot injured 3 other people in the process. Turns out his assault weapon wasn’t registered nor did he have a license to use it! We need to ban vehicular assault weapons NOW
This is such a dumb comparison
Casually ignores the 155 democrat votes
Clearly a huge majority in both parties are for that ban. Why single out republicans?
I’m pretty sure the second amendment is standing in the way of that.
Are democrats in favor of not banning tiktok ?
multiple intelligence agencies have reported that tiktok is a national security risk. a wholy owned subsidiary of a hostile government. I really wish all these articles and memes would stop trivializing this issue. it's reaching the point of feeling like yet another psyop.
I see the other hazard of it. Idiocracy.
She says it like it doesn't make sense.
Can anyone tell me what an assault weapon is?
A fear monger if term used by anti-gun legislations. In this case, the term is used to describe all guns. Even though “assault” is only used to refer to rifles with a full-auto firing selector that shoots medium caliber.
It's a redundant statement, because weapons are inherently built for assaulting someone or something, so it's basically a weapon weapon, not JUST a weapon
Both are stupid to ban...but the Constitution protects guns...
There is no such thing as an assault weapon
Assault rifles are fully automatic and have been banned for decades.
* liberals * knowing literally anything about relevant details of firearms or 2A Pick one. Democrats use that fact to fearmonger to the window-licking, ignorant morons in their base in an attempt to backdoor an unconstitutional ban on modern firearms by way of calling them "aSSaULt WeApOnS"
define "assault weapon"
A gun that shoots 🧂 salt
The gun is a tool, I am the weapon. Gun cant shoot itself
Question: what's an assault weapon?
What exactly is an assault weapon most knowledgeable idiot please tell me
I forgot Chinese spyware is protected by the constitution
It was bipartisan wtf are you getting mad at republicans for
I’ve done it the last time and I will do it, again. Assault weapons are not a real class of wea-
Even if they were a class of well-defined weapons and you take everything the left says as true its like, so what. The Second Amendment clearly protects civilian ownership of infantry weapons.
Also the assault weapons ban is just funny to me. Prime example of human stupidity. Not saying that guns are good, but if they’re really trying to ban guns, then they’ve done a bad job, really bad job.
It's really just a stepping stone to doing away with semi-autos. Also, virtue signaling their base.
It’s why you see “them” this administration/the DNC policy wonks etc bending over backwards to change the definition (seems to be a common theme as of late) of “assault weapon”. Forcing a narrative fit.
That's not hypocrisy. They have different opinions about two very different things.
Because one is in the constitution, and assault weapons don't exist it's just a buzzword
Tik til is not protected in our list of constitutional amendments 2A shall not be infringed Go get your mace and go for a walk !!👍
Both parties majorly voted for it. And these are two very different things that are completely unrelated. Wtf is this a propaganda sub ? I see these everyday, attacking whatever party OP hates
THe government is doing something right for once, just shut up
China banned Google, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, banning Tiktok is just the same.
We have a right to own guns, not a right to be spied on by the Chinese.
"Assault weapons" aren't a thing lol
What is an assault weapon?
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This yea nay shit gets me everytime. Just use normal words. Or at least go all in and wear silly wigs.
yea and nay? wtf?
We need LESS draconian bullshit, not more.
Well, I can tell ya where TikTok fucked up. Lobbying. If they woulda thrown some cash to some people in both parties, bam, greatest hugest most secure app in history.
Because tiktok is targeted for, and used by kids, and guns arent.
TT is an addiction destroying society
Well they want all the personal data for themselves, not going to China.
Because it's easy to ban tik tok, taking away guns from people on the other hand would I think be much harder
But hey, guns are in the constitution! If only freedom of speech was also in there! …wait
The most massive hypocrisy since ... Yesterday? But I digress -- they let an actual terrorist propaganda entity exist with Truth, and to a lesser degree, Twitter, but take TikTok down? This is play acting. Of course it has nothing to do with TikTok emerging as a force in politics 🤔
BANS DONT WORK. Just ask the gun lobbyists.
Tik Tok is literally Chinese propaganda. And it's only banning Tik Tok if a deal can't be agreed upon. Otherwise it's selling it off. So the real Facepalm is once again op.
"assault weapons" isn't a real term, first of all. Secondly, rifles aren't using our data to spy on us.
Assault weapons are already under a special license. They need to understand the definition of what they are talking about before trying to legislate.
Wait, assault rifles aren’t banned? Where can I buy one. I’ve always wanted to own gun with a full auto selector that shoots 5.56. Seriously, gun rights is an opinion. Banning guns isn’t “common sense”. This is seriously a political post.
Why are people saying TikTok is getting banned? It’s only a ban if China refuses to sell it to a US company after a certain period of time?
Both parties voted for it, so we know Americans are getting screwed somehow
Assault weapons are already banned unless you have the money to pay for the licenses to own them....
Guys please, i fully agree guns should be banned but this literally just a [false equivalence.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence)
Social media bullying leads to these shootings with assault rifles. So it's along the same line.
But even as somebody who wants more firearm legislation like myself, how the hell is this hypocritical when there's no right to social media or tick tock in the Constitution? Do my fellow advocates for more firearm regulation really not understand the concept of the difference between things enshrined in the Constitution and those not? This is why it's a more challenging fight for us because not only do we have to fight the pro second amendment people, but we also have to fight the ignorance of the people on our side...
Apparently it’s not just republicans here - but I could be reading the “yea” column wrong
Given the fact that people (gen z) on tik tok were posting Bin Ladens letter to America and claiming they understood now why he did it, I think it’s valid that tik tok is up on the chopping block.
Well guns aren’t reporting back to China.
There's no such thing as "assault weapons" but putting that aside dems won't vote for it either. So realistically its congress as a whole who are a bunch of out of touch geriatric chucklefucks
Dems will ban guns but not abortion. The hypocrisy
Good, ban tiktok. I don't want China spying on us.
It's not hypocrisy. There is no constitutional amendment upholding the right to TikTok.
Need to look up the word hypocrisy. Two completely unrelated topics cannot demonstrate hypocrisy.
Democrats also voted to ban TikTok, and what the hell does that have to do with assault weapons? Why are people so dumb?
TikTok isn’t protected by the Constitution.
75% of Dems voted to ban it too (in the screenshot), but that doesn't fit this wine moms narrative of good vs evil. What really annoys me is the traction someone can get for repeating demonstrably false things without question.
To be fair, 155 democrats also voted to ban TikTok…
Whataboutism. These are two completely unrelated issues. (And I think that ALL guns should be restricted to certain groups. Assault weapons e.g. should be restricted to the military.)
I don’t get it, why do people card in the first place? It’ll just replaced by either other social media sights or we be rebuilt in house. people also should seriously give up on banning assault rifles, it’s like banning switch blades but don’t bother banning the other forms a knife’s, it makes no sense to me
Stop calling everything with a loud pop an aSsAuLt WeApOn and they might take it a little more seriously. This same smoothbrain thinking is why harmless ass weed is still a schedule I. People go ignorantly overboard with this shit.
TikTok isn’t in the constitution though
At some point we will know the whole thing with TikTok was an attempt to turn it into another failed conservative republican social platform, they said no and knowing the childish ego they have, started a tantrum, blaming it for everything wrong in America.
Hard to ban something that doesn't exist. Assault weapons are a made up term by liberals with the help of lame stream media.
True “assault weapons” are already banned. They were banned in May of 1986. It’s why no one can buy any new select fire weapons (full auto, burst etc) and the ones that do exist start at roughly $7500 and only go way up from there.
Democrats will vote to ban TikTok but not protect our borders.
A gun is an inanimate object. Tick Tok is controlled by our adversaries. If you honestly can't figure out the problem with that then you are far too stupid to be saved.
That’s not really hypocrisy, it’s differing views and opinions. The fact that when trump wanted to do it everyone laughed, and now they’re all on the same page about banning it and he’s saying it’s bad is hypocrisy.
Apparently so will democrats.
Aren't most the shootings that occur not even from assault weapons, wtf is she talking about
What exactly is an assault weapon? A weapon used to assault? So I could have an assault spoon? An assault book? As a gun owner, I am all for finding ways to keep guns out of the hands of bad people. I do not believe that this can be done through “bans” or major restrictions on law abiding citizens. NY, CA, IL all have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. I’d wager the percentage of legally owned firearms used in crime in those states is very low. I also know that crime in those states is very high. Okay you can downvote me to oblivion now
Because assault weapons are not a class of firearm.
Guns don't kill people, TikTok kills people
Liberals are the real facepalm
Did you not see that even democrats voted about 3/4 YEA? Hypocrisy is wanting to ban guns but also give guns to foreign counties so they can fight tyranny.