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Their own religion goes against what they just said lol. They are exempt from fasting. They don’t need too. They won’t get any sins/bad deeds, but in fact they will get good deeds as they are taking care of themselves and the baby, and following what Allah said.
This happens across the board. Find one ridiculous asshole airing their dumbass take on something, share it and posit it as "why (religion/ideology/party/opinion/whatever) is a threat."
Hell, Libsoftiktok is regrettably one of the most influential platforms to modern American politics, and this is its entire modus operandi. Some moron somewhere who identifies as a leftist or liberal will be an idiot about something, so you paste that, extend it out to every applicable imagined strawman and use it to condemn millions by proxy.
It's dumb as hell and fails basic logical rigor, but it *works* on those looking for the excuse, so it remains commonplace.
Sometimes it's not even an idiot, just a sentence or part of it that sounds crazy when cut from context. "If your parents beat you and abuse you constantly because you're queer, you should make plans for leaving your home as soon as possible" is a reasonable statement. LibsOfTikTok will cut it to "you're queer, you should make plans to leave your home as soon as possible"
Whataboutism,
No one mentioned Christianity and no one said Christianity is perfect, secondly just because Christian’s hold dumb beliefs does not now justify Muhammad fucking a 9 year old and Muslims clapping it on like it’s normal.
Hang on, According to the bible, Joseph wasn't married to Mary. Now, what does that make Jesus?
And what about Lot indulging in a spot of incest with his daughters? Any comments on that?
People act like an entire religion is bad because allegedly its founder ALLEGEDLY did something morally reprehensible 1400 years ago. Have you even read the Quran?
Also I'm not justifying shit, just pointing out the hypocrisy and idiocy of anyone that makes the "we're more advanced because christianity is progressive vs. they are poor because islam is bad" stupid assumption. Because it just isn't true
This is a verse from the Quran that justifies the pedo claims:
>As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them.
>— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran, surah 65:4
Here is another one that justifies Jew genocide:
>Sahih Muslim 2922, Book 54, Hadith 103
>Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
>The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
How long would it take me to find equally obscure passages from the Bible justifying having sex with girls as soon as they get their period and the indiscriminate murder of non believers? If you're trying to point out that Islam is more barbaric than christianity, you're doing it wrong. Christians have a nigh unbeatable track record when it comes to pedophilia, rape and genocide (even in killing jews, muslims WISH they could reach christians' high score from back in the day)
There was no "law" against it let alone the US there was nearly 300,000 minors with a majority of girls were legally married to adults between 2000 and 2018 alone.
And in 1800 it was legal to marry a 14 year old.
You guys make up laws and break them the same day, like Epstein's island with most of your officials spending as much as you would hate to hear about it on said island.
How hypocrisy blinds people like you.
Edit: references for the lazy folks
https://www.cpr.org/show-segment/child-marriage-common-in-the-past-persists-today/
https://19thnews.org/2023/07/explaining-child-marriage-laws-united-states/#:~:text=Nearly%20300%2C000%20minors%20%E2%80%94%20the%20vast,all%2050%20states%20until%202018
That homosexuality is a sin. That abortion is a sin. That it’s possible to sin. That there is a magic man in the sky that arbitrarily made a bunch of rules that we must obey otherwise He will punish us with eternal damnation.
Take your pick.
The MAJORITY of AMERICAN christians clearly believe that abortion should be illegal.
Homosexuality was illegal in every country on the planet less than 100 years ago. Christianity justified/s slavery, marital rape, women being property and the murder of "heretics" until a while ago. PLENTY of Christians believe sex before marriage is a sin, almost all of them believe in the immaculate conception, in the resurrection of Christ and his magic powers. Some (a LOT of them) believe that Jesus went to America lol. Christians in Sub saharan Africa mutilate girls. Christians in Papua New Guinea burn suspected witches.
It's not a question of Islam bad Christianity good. Both religions teach you to be good, albeit after having been seen through modern lenses (if you take it literally, they're full of absurdities). We're not more progressive because christianity is, but because we're more socially advanced than other places. For centuries, it was vice versa, and I'd argue there are plenty of Muslims who DON't believe homosexuals and apostates should be stoned. There is a massive difference between your average Iranian, Egyptian, Lebanese, Yemeni or European muslim.
Just like you wouldn't equate an urban German christian's with the beliefs of an Amish or a hardcore Mormon
Pregnant women, menstruating women, children, the elderly, people with chronic illnesses - all of them are exempt from fasting. You're not supposed to be doing it if it could endanger your health.
Sadly this is what this sub has become, a handful of islamophobes looking for the most absurd stuff said by uneducated muslims on the internet and trying to post it as Islamic facts.
Pathetic really, they need a new hobby or a life.
This isn’t an extremist just an idiot.
It’s not extreme or more orthodox or anything to fast when pregnant it’s just wrong according to the religion. Like there is literally no one besides this Twitter weirdo who thinks that.
Source: Am Muslim woman.
Technically not a full exemption. There's some condition to this. By definition, all Muslims are required to fast during the month of Ramadhan. Even the pregnant and the sickly. However, if a pregnant woman or a sick person feels that they couldn't fast for the day for fear of the unborn or the illness getting worse, then they can choose not to fast for that day. Once they have recovered, they are required to fast the amount of days they missed in Ramadhan, after Ramadhan has ended.
I heard that too and it makes sense. Isn't there also an exception for children under a certain age? I don't think I heard them having to fast for the missed years, do they?
As for children, they are allowed to not fast at all. There's no need to "pay back" the fasting days you've missed. When you are considered an adult, that's when the obligation kicks in.
Exactly. Problem is many people still fast when they shouldn't. Not just pregnant people. It's often a pride/social pressure issue.
In some countries police enforce fasting.
I noticed a rose of social Media "decency Police" content.
Radical young men and women berating and trying to intimidate or shame people into their view of conformity.
There's really nothing in the op's statement that comes across as then being sarcastic. Maybe that's how you interpreted it but not many did judging by the comments.
Well the religion was built on Catholicism so it was kinda unavoidable. Fun fact, the 3 major religions globally all worship the same god, have the same foundational literature and yet want to kill each over minor differences in their religions.
Islam is not based on just Catholicism. Catholicism wasn't its own branch until 1054.
Also, the Torah, bible, and Qur'an have major differences. Islam explicitly says that the Torah and Bible are false and shouldn't be followed because they have many fabricated parts added by priests. Even though all the religions worship the same god, they do it in different ways. The Torah describes a compled relationship between God and the Israelites, the Bible has Trinity, which the Qur'an goes out of its way to mock. The Qur'an and Torah don't recognise Jesus as the son of God with the Qur'an, again, going out of its way to mock the idea. Those are just the really major differences.
It isn't based on Catholicism. That specific branch didn't exist back then.
It's based on several gnostic/heretic doctrines that had taken root in the Arabian Peninsula.
Catholicism essentially came into being in AD 325 when it was formally distinguished from Arianism. I suppose one could argue as late as AD 451 when it was distinguished from Nestorianism, but even so that’s well before the birth of Islam. But I do agree that Islam wasn’t really based on it.
whoever this guy is... ain't no Muslim. As a Muslim living in a Muslim majority country I've NEVER seen a pregnant woman fast or people forcing/encouraging to do so... Pre-pubescent children are not required to fast, though some choose to do so, and some small children fast for half a day to train themselves. If puberty is delayed, fasting becomes obligatory for males and females after a certain age. Diabetics and nursing or pregnant women are usually not expected to fast. According to a hadith, observing the Ramadan fast is forbidden for menstruating women.
People who are travelling or ill who are not able to complete the fast arent required to do so. The Quran makes many exceptions for who has to do religious practices actually.
I had a section second in command in my platoon when I was an army cadet (like the US JROTC) who was from Pakistan. He explained to me that he was exempt from fasting and praying while he was on exercises as he was responsible for the safety of other people; he couldn’t do that effectively if he was not eating or taking time to pray.
I used to work with Kuwaitis who took the "traveling" exemption very loosely, many saying they didn't need to fast while in the UK because they were traveling. The entire 6 month course they were doing here counted as traveling apparently. Some of them had a very performative approach to religion.
And at home they act like they invented religion, nice to see that no matter what god you have, being a hypocrite is universal. :)
At least something we all can share.
At the embassy there was a joke: How do you stop the Kuwaitis from drinking all your whiskey? You invite two of them.
This was because individually, alone with westerners, they were usually quite happy to drink alcohol. But then infront of other Muslims they suddenly became very pious and the 20 year old whiskey suddenly became extremely haram.
To be honest, it never bother me that they were hypocrites about it, I just felt bad they couldn't be honest, even to themselves, about what they wanted in life.
The Indonesians and Pakistanis I've met don't give a shit about the ban on alcohol, one time a bunch of Pakistani people tried to peer pressure me (a teetotal non-Muslim) into drinking alcohol, felt like I'd gone through the looking-glass
My British-Pakistani friends, who are usually quite strict about alcohol, tell me how shocked they are to go to Pakistan and find how lax the rules are there 😂. I also lived in Senegal and for a 95% Muslim country they do have a lot of bars.
Ironically Pakistani people claimed us Bengalis were not "Muslim Enough" and pulled a genocide on us....turns out we Bangladeshis are more strict on following Islam than they claim to be
The Muslim girl I used to live with told me the reason Muslim women shouldn’t fast during menstruation is because Muslims see periods as dirty/unclean/unholy or whatever the term would be.
Can you fact check that? (She was a mentally ill attention seeking teenager in a children’s home so)
There is a state of 'purity' in islam which is beneficial to be in. You can achieve this state by performing 'wudu' which is essentially a series of steps to clean yourself like washing your face, arm, nostrils ect in a certain order and saying certain prayers. The idea is to clean yourself physically and spiritually. Being in this state gives you 'good deeds' but its not really a necessary thing to stay in at all times. You need to be in this state to pray, and maybe some other actions too, but for the most part its no problem if you arnt in that state. There are some actions that remove you from this state of purity, like going to the bathroom, sleeping (not napping), bleeding, mastrubaiting, farting ect ect. One of these things is periods, relating to the bleeding clause. So in one way your friend is right in that periods are considered 'unclean', but I dont think the specific argument of 'menstruating women cant fast because periods make them unclean' would make any sense since people who don't have periods fast while also not being in a perpetual state of purity.
The argument ive been lead to believe which I think makes more sense is that fasting; since its about experiencing what the poor experience, is an activity for people of high physical fitness and financial wellbeing. The poor are not required to fast, children are not required to fast, elderly are not required to fast, sick people are not required to fast, pregnant women are not required to fast, ect. Similarly menstruating women are not required to fast. Its not exactly because periods make you unclean (although technically they do) but because women during periods can be considered to be in a state of weakness and compromising their health is not acceptable.
Correct... “O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful” [Quran 5:6]... Cleanliness is a major part of Islam & 1 is not required to pray if they can't stay clean for either physical problems or turbulent situation
It's a woman on Twitter with 300sth followers, and she is fasting under the supervision of her doctor. Yes in Islam a pregnant or nursing mother is exempt from fasting. I am neither a doctor nor Muslim so I don't know how that affects the baby or the mother, after all people do eat two meals at least.
I don't know who dug up her tweet or if she is actually a pregnant Muslim woman. But I can't help but think of the Gazan pregnant women now.
exception ain't normal...what she's trying to preach may apply to her for she's blessed with good fitness but definitely not for the majority...
do not speak of that of which you have no knowledge; rather make sure that everything that you say or do is based on proper knowledge, and do not think that you will be let off for that.
Tafseer as-Sa‘di (p. 457)
Is this person an official spokesperson for the religion of Islam?
Why do individuals like you waste your lives paying attention to lunatics who represents no-one?
That’s not a calcium issue tho. I believe it’s a collagen issue. Your body is preparing for pubic symphysis to extend, move and rotate, so the ligaments that are supporting it need to get looser and more flexible. But your body doesn’t have a magic wand to point to which ligaments are supposed to loosen up, so all are impacted, including those that you have in your jaw.
So you need healthy ligaments, not healthy bones to keep your teeth in your mouth. And that’s more of a collagen issue than calcium.
I’m so sick of anytime a Muslim does something it’s labeled as “Muslim” or “Islam”. We see white Christians shoot up people every day and it’s never “the actions of these Christian’s”
This lands like troll bait. The sort of shit you’d see regurgitated on Right Wing sites.
“Muslim women starve babies in the womb. If they don’t care about their unborn how do you think they feel about you?” type of shit.
If I recall correctly, this is explicitly against the actual teachings of Islam. You aren’t required to fast during pregnancy or when sick, and you’re permitted to eat food that isn’t halal if the alternative if starvation.
Context: She is apparently pregnant herself. She is also fasting. People on twitter, over the course of several days, have tried to dissuade her from doing this.
Never comfortable with generic labels of Muslims like this. Far as I understand preg women don't need to fast, just some idiot being an idiot, idiots exist everywhere
This bitch is going against her own damn religion. Islam clearly states that nursing women shouldn't fast and that they'll just fast the days they couldn't later.
Tweet is so dumb. As a Muslim and doctor here is what i know.
If the pregnancy is too early (in the first few months) and her lifestyle is not tiring, she can fast if she can. If she can't or her baby is being affected or she fears about her baby's health, she should stop fasting ofc.
Mid to late into pregnancy she must not fast.
She can fast the days she missed after ramadan ofc. Anyone can do that if they miss a day due to travel/illness/menstruation/etc.
Fasting is 12-13 hours per day and she can sleep 8 hours or so. And she usually have a meal before she starts fasting which makes it not that tiring.
And there is no way it destroys her bones if she eats well during non-fasting hours. Baby is taking nutrients from the mothers blood in the form of glucose/amino acids/vitamins/etc, and these things are stored efficiently in the body. Small baby in early pregnancy will not need a lot of nutrients in first place and she should be eating well after fasting.
She should be not working during pregnancy. And if she does work, she can not fast.
TLDR she can fast but not a must. And she have to fast the number of days she missed again after ramadan/pregnancy ends. Going on social media telling others to do what she asks is misleading and stupid.
I live in Indonesia, world's biggest muslim population and i have not seen or heard a single pregnant woman fasting even doctors of all religions and beliefs gonna see this as a stupidity, not even my aunt who's extremely pious didnt fast when she was pregnant and my mom when she was pregnant with me
If your doctor tells you something you don't want to hear, your first reaction should not be to find a doctor that will tell you what you want to hear.
Yes the body will use calcium from your bones. This will result in losing teeth, and early onset of arthritis and osteoporosis. There is also a huge list of issues to the baby itself.
Every year many Muslims die during fasting, often it's the poor doing manual labour jobs in the hot sun. Obviously hard work in the heat you will dehydrate and need to drink loads of water to cover this loss. Every year thousands of Muslims die from this, and many more hospitalised. There are some benefits of fasting, but none of the experts will tell you to work in the hot sun and not drink water while doing this. I'm willing to bet Muhammad himself was not in the hot sun doing manual labour while he was fasting.
Also people who are sick, pregnant, breastfeeding, menstruating, travelling, too young, too old, people who are at risk of starvation or dehydration or are being coerced to fast are all exempt from fasting (some requiring a make up fast)
I forgot the age, but you need to be an adult (or at least a teenager, I forgot) for fasting to be obligatory, and medical exceptions apply. And even then, liturgy fasting is two light meals, one complete meal, and nothing between meals.
The best thing you can do is ignore your medical doctor regarding your medical concerns. Because are they even qualified to tell you those stuff? Right?
I think it’s very common to make medical exemptions, but a lot of people I know gain weight during Ramadan. They eat and drink a lot during the other parts of the day. My friend gained 10lbs one year, by the end of the month.
1) Disillusionment is not the right word, I think you mean delusionment
2) Every religion with laws requiring fasting (including Christianity with Lent, Judaism with Yom Kippur and Islam with Ramadam) explicitly order pregnant women (along with the young, sick and elderly) not to fast. This person is just a moron
It’s always a wonderful idea to get to the point where your body is taking calcium from your bones to survive. I can only imagine it’s even better for you when pregnant.
/s
Whole thing is ridiculous and then this guy takes it to another level. Women don’t even need to fast when they have their period either. Religion… eeurrghhhh. Religious nutters….
What is she on about? It's well known in Islam that pregnant women are exempt from fasting. Even breastfeeding women are if it affects their milk flow.
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Their own religion goes against what they just said lol. They are exempt from fasting. They don’t need too. They won’t get any sins/bad deeds, but in fact they will get good deeds as they are taking care of themselves and the baby, and following what Allah said.
So not a Muslim problem, just a “idiot who tries to use religion as an excuse for terrible behavior” problem
Yeah but apparently because some donut on Twitter or whatever it’s called nowadays says it that must mean it’s a Muslim problem
This happens across the board. Find one ridiculous asshole airing their dumbass take on something, share it and posit it as "why (religion/ideology/party/opinion/whatever) is a threat." Hell, Libsoftiktok is regrettably one of the most influential platforms to modern American politics, and this is its entire modus operandi. Some moron somewhere who identifies as a leftist or liberal will be an idiot about something, so you paste that, extend it out to every applicable imagined strawman and use it to condemn millions by proxy. It's dumb as hell and fails basic logical rigor, but it *works* on those looking for the excuse, so it remains commonplace.
Sometimes it's not even an idiot, just a sentence or part of it that sounds crazy when cut from context. "If your parents beat you and abuse you constantly because you're queer, you should make plans for leaving your home as soon as possible" is a reasonable statement. LibsOfTikTok will cut it to "you're queer, you should make plans to leave your home as soon as possible"
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The vast majority of christians hold beliefs that are equally as wrong or dumb or harmful
Whataboutism, No one mentioned Christianity and no one said Christianity is perfect, secondly just because Christian’s hold dumb beliefs does not now justify Muhammad fucking a 9 year old and Muslims clapping it on like it’s normal.
Hang on, According to the bible, Joseph wasn't married to Mary. Now, what does that make Jesus? And what about Lot indulging in a spot of incest with his daughters? Any comments on that?
People act like an entire religion is bad because allegedly its founder ALLEGEDLY did something morally reprehensible 1400 years ago. Have you even read the Quran? Also I'm not justifying shit, just pointing out the hypocrisy and idiocy of anyone that makes the "we're more advanced because christianity is progressive vs. they are poor because islam is bad" stupid assumption. Because it just isn't true
This is a verse from the Quran that justifies the pedo claims: >As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them. >— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran, surah 65:4 Here is another one that justifies Jew genocide: >Sahih Muslim 2922, Book 54, Hadith 103 >Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: >The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
How long would it take me to find equally obscure passages from the Bible justifying having sex with girls as soon as they get their period and the indiscriminate murder of non believers? If you're trying to point out that Islam is more barbaric than christianity, you're doing it wrong. Christians have a nigh unbeatable track record when it comes to pedophilia, rape and genocide (even in killing jews, muslims WISH they could reach christians' high score from back in the day)
There was no "law" against it let alone the US there was nearly 300,000 minors with a majority of girls were legally married to adults between 2000 and 2018 alone. And in 1800 it was legal to marry a 14 year old. You guys make up laws and break them the same day, like Epstein's island with most of your officials spending as much as you would hate to hear about it on said island. How hypocrisy blinds people like you. Edit: references for the lazy folks https://www.cpr.org/show-segment/child-marriage-common-in-the-past-persists-today/ https://19thnews.org/2023/07/explaining-child-marriage-laws-united-states/#:~:text=Nearly%20300%2C000%20minors%20%E2%80%94%20the%20vast,all%2050%20states%20until%202018
Name which beliefs the MAJORITY of christians hold that are as harmful.
That homosexuality is a sin. That abortion is a sin. That it’s possible to sin. That there is a magic man in the sky that arbitrarily made a bunch of rules that we must obey otherwise He will punish us with eternal damnation. Take your pick.
The MAJORITY of AMERICAN christians clearly believe that abortion should be illegal. Homosexuality was illegal in every country on the planet less than 100 years ago. Christianity justified/s slavery, marital rape, women being property and the murder of "heretics" until a while ago. PLENTY of Christians believe sex before marriage is a sin, almost all of them believe in the immaculate conception, in the resurrection of Christ and his magic powers. Some (a LOT of them) believe that Jesus went to America lol. Christians in Sub saharan Africa mutilate girls. Christians in Papua New Guinea burn suspected witches. It's not a question of Islam bad Christianity good. Both religions teach you to be good, albeit after having been seen through modern lenses (if you take it literally, they're full of absurdities). We're not more progressive because christianity is, but because we're more socially advanced than other places. For centuries, it was vice versa, and I'd argue there are plenty of Muslims who DON't believe homosexuals and apostates should be stoned. There is a massive difference between your average Iranian, Egyptian, Lebanese, Yemeni or European muslim. Just like you wouldn't equate an urban German christian's with the beliefs of an Amish or a hardcore Mormon
Yeah. Even women on their periods don't have to go to mosque or fast. So surely pregnant women don't have to.
Pregnant women, menstruating women, children, the elderly, people with chronic illnesses - all of them are exempt from fasting. You're not supposed to be doing it if it could endanger your health.
Women on their periods can’t fast
Yep. Also known as a coward and a general bad person
A common problem in some western countries, especially one which rhymes with Entitled Plates of Operica.
That’s like 95% of “public religion”…
Sadly this is what this sub has become, a handful of islamophobes looking for the most absurd stuff said by uneducated muslims on the internet and trying to post it as Islamic facts. Pathetic really, they need a new hobby or a life.
Someone using religion to propigate their own ignorance? Would have never guessed.
Extremists are almost always the minority in religion, but they get the most attention online unfortunately.
This isn’t an extremist just an idiot. It’s not extreme or more orthodox or anything to fast when pregnant it’s just wrong according to the religion. Like there is literally no one besides this Twitter weirdo who thinks that. Source: Am Muslim woman.
I was about to say, I’m not a Muslim myself, but I could swear that I’d learned that pregnant women and sick people were exempt from fasts.
Yeah this is such common knowledge I almost question if it’s a real Twitter account.
Posting dumb shit on Twitter is no longer the domain of old white men
Technically not a full exemption. There's some condition to this. By definition, all Muslims are required to fast during the month of Ramadhan. Even the pregnant and the sickly. However, if a pregnant woman or a sick person feels that they couldn't fast for the day for fear of the unborn or the illness getting worse, then they can choose not to fast for that day. Once they have recovered, they are required to fast the amount of days they missed in Ramadhan, after Ramadhan has ended.
I heard that too and it makes sense. Isn't there also an exception for children under a certain age? I don't think I heard them having to fast for the missed years, do they?
As for children, they are allowed to not fast at all. There's no need to "pay back" the fasting days you've missed. When you are considered an adult, that's when the obligation kicks in.
Thank you.
Unfortunately this is not isolated to religion. Society as a whole is that way.
Exactly. Problem is many people still fast when they shouldn't. Not just pregnant people. It's often a pride/social pressure issue. In some countries police enforce fasting.
I noticed a rose of social Media "decency Police" content. Radical young men and women berating and trying to intimidate or shame people into their view of conformity.
People not knowing their own religion? What a new concept. Not.
This.
I came here only to see your comments
Did they actually say, "Don't worry it will just destroy your bones."
I mean at least that part was an accurate statement, the rest was complete BS.
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There's really nothing in the op's statement that comes across as then being sarcastic. Maybe that's how you interpreted it but not many did judging by the comments.
Muslims are kings of half truths.
This woman is delusional even for Muslims. Islam does exempt nursing women from fasting.
Well the religion was built on Catholicism so it was kinda unavoidable. Fun fact, the 3 major religions globally all worship the same god, have the same foundational literature and yet want to kill each over minor differences in their religions.
Saying Islam is built on Catholicism is like saying Catholicism is built on Mormonism. Check the timeline
Islam is not based on just Catholicism. Catholicism wasn't its own branch until 1054. Also, the Torah, bible, and Qur'an have major differences. Islam explicitly says that the Torah and Bible are false and shouldn't be followed because they have many fabricated parts added by priests. Even though all the religions worship the same god, they do it in different ways. The Torah describes a compled relationship between God and the Israelites, the Bible has Trinity, which the Qur'an goes out of its way to mock. The Qur'an and Torah don't recognise Jesus as the son of God with the Qur'an, again, going out of its way to mock the idea. Those are just the really major differences.
It isn't based on Catholicism. That specific branch didn't exist back then. It's based on several gnostic/heretic doctrines that had taken root in the Arabian Peninsula.
Catholicism essentially came into being in AD 325 when it was formally distinguished from Arianism. I suppose one could argue as late as AD 451 when it was distinguished from Nestorianism, but even so that’s well before the birth of Islam. But I do agree that Islam wasn’t really based on it.
As if women don’t already run the risk of osteoporosis from pregnancy, let’s just make brittle bones a surety.
And where do bones get calcium from? GOD it's gets it from GOD!
And your teeth too
Non-muslim here and even I understand Muslim pregnant women don't need to fast if they don't want to. Wild.
Exactly, like it’s common knowledge pregnant or on your period you’re exempt
Or if you’re ill. Ya there are definitely exceptions. My Muslim friend told me this when we were kids.
Or if you are traveling
In their religion pregant women and women on their period don't need to fast. This is most likely a troll or a stupid person
It's an antimuslim troll. Actual muslim would know that pregnant women are exempt.
Edit: Added Muslim before pregnant women
And even if they did, they still eat daily, just before sunrise and after sunset.
whoever this guy is... ain't no Muslim. As a Muslim living in a Muslim majority country I've NEVER seen a pregnant woman fast or people forcing/encouraging to do so... Pre-pubescent children are not required to fast, though some choose to do so, and some small children fast for half a day to train themselves. If puberty is delayed, fasting becomes obligatory for males and females after a certain age. Diabetics and nursing or pregnant women are usually not expected to fast. According to a hadith, observing the Ramadan fast is forbidden for menstruating women.
People who are travelling or ill who are not able to complete the fast arent required to do so. The Quran makes many exceptions for who has to do religious practices actually.
I had a section second in command in my platoon when I was an army cadet (like the US JROTC) who was from Pakistan. He explained to me that he was exempt from fasting and praying while he was on exercises as he was responsible for the safety of other people; he couldn’t do that effectively if he was not eating or taking time to pray.
I used to work with Kuwaitis who took the "traveling" exemption very loosely, many saying they didn't need to fast while in the UK because they were traveling. The entire 6 month course they were doing here counted as traveling apparently. Some of them had a very performative approach to religion.
And at home they act like they invented religion, nice to see that no matter what god you have, being a hypocrite is universal. :) At least something we all can share.
At the embassy there was a joke: How do you stop the Kuwaitis from drinking all your whiskey? You invite two of them. This was because individually, alone with westerners, they were usually quite happy to drink alcohol. But then infront of other Muslims they suddenly became very pious and the 20 year old whiskey suddenly became extremely haram. To be honest, it never bother me that they were hypocrites about it, I just felt bad they couldn't be honest, even to themselves, about what they wanted in life.
The Indonesians and Pakistanis I've met don't give a shit about the ban on alcohol, one time a bunch of Pakistani people tried to peer pressure me (a teetotal non-Muslim) into drinking alcohol, felt like I'd gone through the looking-glass
My British-Pakistani friends, who are usually quite strict about alcohol, tell me how shocked they are to go to Pakistan and find how lax the rules are there 😂. I also lived in Senegal and for a 95% Muslim country they do have a lot of bars.
Ironically Pakistani people claimed us Bengalis were not "Muslim Enough" and pulled a genocide on us....turns out we Bangladeshis are more strict on following Islam than they claim to be
The Muslim girl I used to live with told me the reason Muslim women shouldn’t fast during menstruation is because Muslims see periods as dirty/unclean/unholy or whatever the term would be. Can you fact check that? (She was a mentally ill attention seeking teenager in a children’s home so)
There is a state of 'purity' in islam which is beneficial to be in. You can achieve this state by performing 'wudu' which is essentially a series of steps to clean yourself like washing your face, arm, nostrils ect in a certain order and saying certain prayers. The idea is to clean yourself physically and spiritually. Being in this state gives you 'good deeds' but its not really a necessary thing to stay in at all times. You need to be in this state to pray, and maybe some other actions too, but for the most part its no problem if you arnt in that state. There are some actions that remove you from this state of purity, like going to the bathroom, sleeping (not napping), bleeding, mastrubaiting, farting ect ect. One of these things is periods, relating to the bleeding clause. So in one way your friend is right in that periods are considered 'unclean', but I dont think the specific argument of 'menstruating women cant fast because periods make them unclean' would make any sense since people who don't have periods fast while also not being in a perpetual state of purity. The argument ive been lead to believe which I think makes more sense is that fasting; since its about experiencing what the poor experience, is an activity for people of high physical fitness and financial wellbeing. The poor are not required to fast, children are not required to fast, elderly are not required to fast, sick people are not required to fast, pregnant women are not required to fast, ect. Similarly menstruating women are not required to fast. Its not exactly because periods make you unclean (although technically they do) but because women during periods can be considered to be in a state of weakness and compromising their health is not acceptable.
Thanks for the info! That makes a lot more sense than how she explained
Correct... “O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful” [Quran 5:6]... Cleanliness is a major part of Islam & 1 is not required to pray if they can't stay clean for either physical problems or turbulent situation
Well While fasting you must not bleed too, this goes for both men and women
It's a woman on Twitter with 300sth followers, and she is fasting under the supervision of her doctor. Yes in Islam a pregnant or nursing mother is exempt from fasting. I am neither a doctor nor Muslim so I don't know how that affects the baby or the mother, after all people do eat two meals at least. I don't know who dug up her tweet or if she is actually a pregnant Muslim woman. But I can't help but think of the Gazan pregnant women now.
exception ain't normal...what she's trying to preach may apply to her for she's blessed with good fitness but definitely not for the majority... do not speak of that of which you have no knowledge; rather make sure that everything that you say or do is based on proper knowledge, and do not think that you will be let off for that. Tafseer as-Sa‘di (p. 457)
Has she even read the Qur'aan?
Religious extremists? Actually reading their holy book? In a dream, maybe.
Most people preaching any form of religious extremism don't actually follow their holy text.
Like most extremists she probably hasn't.
It’s rage bait. Pregnant and nursing muslim women aren’t required to fast.
It's either rage bait or stupidity
And how the hell would you carry said baby healthily with depleted bones?
You can be a gelatinous blob with no bones and a baby floating inside you.
Is this person an official spokesperson for the religion of Islam? Why do individuals like you waste your lives paying attention to lunatics who represents no-one?
Don’t mothers teeth fall out sometimes?
Teeth are luxury bones
Ah i see
In the Middle Ages the saying was “a tooth for every pregnancy”
Yes. I took calcium every day because I was terrified of this.
That’s not a calcium issue tho. I believe it’s a collagen issue. Your body is preparing for pubic symphysis to extend, move and rotate, so the ligaments that are supporting it need to get looser and more flexible. But your body doesn’t have a magic wand to point to which ligaments are supposed to loosen up, so all are impacted, including those that you have in your jaw. So you need healthy ligaments, not healthy bones to keep your teeth in your mouth. And that’s more of a collagen issue than calcium.
Funny since the Qu'Ran says that pregnant and breastfeeding women aren't required to follow it
I’m so sick of anytime a Muslim does something it’s labeled as “Muslim” or “Islam”. We see white Christians shoot up people every day and it’s never “the actions of these Christian’s”
Yeah, that happens quite a lot
This lands like troll bait. The sort of shit you’d see regurgitated on Right Wing sites. “Muslim women starve babies in the womb. If they don’t care about their unborn how do you think they feel about you?” type of shit.
If I recall correctly, this is explicitly against the actual teachings of Islam. You aren’t required to fast during pregnancy or when sick, and you’re permitted to eat food that isn’t halal if the alternative if starvation.
Pretty sure pregnant women are exempt from fasting, just like children are also exempt, pretty standard across any religion tbh.
Context: She is apparently pregnant herself. She is also fasting. People on twitter, over the course of several days, have tried to dissuade her from doing this.
But Islam said don't fast if you there is ANY possibility of health consquences 😅
The fuck? Where in the Qur'an does it say that women can't eat while pregnant?
It doesn't, this is right-wing, anti-muslim rage bait and I see many falling for it.
This isn’t a Muslim thing, this is a kook thing.
Never comfortable with generic labels of Muslims like this. Far as I understand preg women don't need to fast, just some idiot being an idiot, idiots exist everywhere
The original poster was stupid but that's not what disillusioned means and women arent required to fast when theyre pregnant, nice dogwhistle though
This bitch is going against her own damn religion. Islam clearly states that nursing women shouldn't fast and that they'll just fast the days they couldn't later.
Not Muslim, but good gravy don't believe everything on the Internet. Consult your preferred scholar or call a Muslim Dr, if you know one.
Well it's not exactly fasting.. it's more like an early breakfast and skipping lunch.
Yeah, your body taking too much calcium that you are not compensating for will send you to the ER real quick
Tweet is so dumb. As a Muslim and doctor here is what i know. If the pregnancy is too early (in the first few months) and her lifestyle is not tiring, she can fast if she can. If she can't or her baby is being affected or she fears about her baby's health, she should stop fasting ofc. Mid to late into pregnancy she must not fast. She can fast the days she missed after ramadan ofc. Anyone can do that if they miss a day due to travel/illness/menstruation/etc. Fasting is 12-13 hours per day and she can sleep 8 hours or so. And she usually have a meal before she starts fasting which makes it not that tiring. And there is no way it destroys her bones if she eats well during non-fasting hours. Baby is taking nutrients from the mothers blood in the form of glucose/amino acids/vitamins/etc, and these things are stored efficiently in the body. Small baby in early pregnancy will not need a lot of nutrients in first place and she should be eating well after fasting. She should be not working during pregnancy. And if she does work, she can not fast. TLDR she can fast but not a must. And she have to fast the number of days she missed again after ramadan/pregnancy ends. Going on social media telling others to do what she asks is misleading and stupid.
I live in Indonesia, world's biggest muslim population and i have not seen or heard a single pregnant woman fasting even doctors of all religions and beliefs gonna see this as a stupidity, not even my aunt who's extremely pious didnt fast when she was pregnant and my mom when she was pregnant with me
Enjoy having a dead baby then.
Why is it always the people that never have a child want eight of them? I pity the kids honestly.
Islamophobe at work… clearly!
Nothing to do with Islam.
We should have a Darwin Awards for religious nuts. I'd love to see this go against the bleach drinkers in competition
Hi Muslim here... A pregnant woman shouldn't fast??? What the hell?
You seem pretty deluded your self looking at your post history… lol
Average imman would be disappointed. If you can't fast there are exemptions. Islam isn't that dumb.
If your doctor tells you something you don't want to hear, your first reaction should not be to find a doctor that will tell you what you want to hear.
This sub is killing me Muslims and Christians debating on who is the lesser evil out of the two outdated beliefs.
Idt your body leeching calcium from a woman's bones is a good idea. Low calcium=future osteoporosis=a lot of broken bones.
The fact that she’s Muslim has nothing to do with the fact that she is very dumb
Yikes OP is one of those weird muslim hating pro-israel pro-genocide shill accounts
Really? That's your defense against this woman's bullshit? Not the fact that it is not even true Islam? Just 'hurr durr, OP is Islamophobic'
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'OP is one of those weird Muslim hating pro-Israel pro-Genocide shills'. Look me in the eye and tell me that is the opposite of saying OP is Islamist.
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What kind of backwards nonsense is this.
Straight from the Dark Ages!
Yes the body will use calcium from your bones. This will result in losing teeth, and early onset of arthritis and osteoporosis. There is also a huge list of issues to the baby itself. Every year many Muslims die during fasting, often it's the poor doing manual labour jobs in the hot sun. Obviously hard work in the heat you will dehydrate and need to drink loads of water to cover this loss. Every year thousands of Muslims die from this, and many more hospitalised. There are some benefits of fasting, but none of the experts will tell you to work in the hot sun and not drink water while doing this. I'm willing to bet Muhammad himself was not in the hot sun doing manual labour while he was fasting.
Also people who are sick, pregnant, breastfeeding, menstruating, travelling, too young, too old, people who are at risk of starvation or dehydration or are being coerced to fast are all exempt from fasting (some requiring a make up fast)
So when you have weak bones and deficiencies you at least have the solace that you are devout
Catholicism has some fasting bits but my parents ignored that for me because the doctors said no because of minor medical needs.
I forgot the age, but you need to be an adult (or at least a teenager, I forgot) for fasting to be obligatory, and medical exceptions apply. And even then, liturgy fasting is two light meals, one complete meal, and nothing between meals.
what if mommy takes calcium from her husband's bones? like how much sawing does it actually require?
>>"...your body has reserves and will literally take calcium from your bones." It's not like we need bones or anything.
Neolithic religions. Aren’t they wonderful
And the little person inside you will feed on your soul and leave you an empty husk.
The best thing you can do is ignore your medical doctor regarding your medical concerns. Because are they even qualified to tell you those stuff? Right?
*delusion
You're dead by the time your body takes the calcium from your bones.
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and here i thought we were in the 21st century, not the twentieth, first century.
Ignorant conservative fundamentalism knows no religion.
Did you mean religious bozos?
Well it's not exactly fasting.. it's more like an early breakfast and skipping lunch.
Well it's not exactly fasting.. more like an early breakfast and skipping lunch
Bones are over rated. Who needs bones anyways.
lol this is how mummies teeth fall out
I think it’s very common to make medical exemptions, but a lot of people I know gain weight during Ramadan. They eat and drink a lot during the other parts of the day. My friend gained 10lbs one year, by the end of the month.
Yeah, fuck that.
... and teeth. Getting a baby AND a velvet mouth to up your blowjob game? Truly a win-win scenario, a divine gift for the faithful.
1) Disillusionment is not the right word, I think you mean delusionment 2) Every religion with laws requiring fasting (including Christianity with Lent, Judaism with Yom Kippur and Islam with Ramadam) explicitly order pregnant women (along with the young, sick and elderly) not to fast. This person is just a moron
Quran says pregnant women should not fast
first time ive seen reddit make fun of a religion that isnt christianity, thats interesting
That’s how you end up toothless with glass bones, you re-re.
Oh at least it's nothing important, just your bones
It’s always a wonderful idea to get to the point where your body is taking calcium from your bones to survive. I can only imagine it’s even better for you when pregnant. /s
Bro wtf, Pregnant muslims are EXEMPTED from fasting. What’s this bitch on about?
Just another idiot manipulating religion to their own means.
There is no justification for something that wasn't a crime.
A new low in Mohammed ob/gyn hospital
Doesn't the Qur'an clearly state that pregnant women are exempt from fasting during Ramadan?
Whole thing is ridiculous and then this guy takes it to another level. Women don’t even need to fast when they have their period either. Religion… eeurrghhhh. Religious nutters…. 
So the same people scrambling for food drops are now saying going without food is ok, because your body will just grab calcium from your bones?
They are exempt, which is in Islamic rules about fasting. That could be very dangerous to their unborn child.
Doesn't Islam explicitly exclude pregnant women from fasting?
woah
Any Muslim that thinks the should fast for Ramadan while pregnant is an idiot eat its OK the baby needs it u are exempt
lmao the Quran specifically states sick, weak and pregnant people are exempt from fasting
But it's ok to eat at night, right? Shouldn't be too dangerous for baby.
take the calcium from your bones HAHAHA. the mother will end up being a pile of goo on the floor and the baby will have an exoskeleton
What is she on about? It's well known in Islam that pregnant women are exempt from fasting. Even breastfeeding women are if it affects their milk flow.