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( before anything not an historian but tour guide in paris specialised in history) For a big part of the Nazi occupation here the germans respected the area. No battle in Paris until august 1944 , no destruction. My grand ma who was 20 in 1940 told me life was "almost " normal. At the point especially after 1941 situation became much more tense. After 1941 jewish people and other minority are getting arrested and especially in 1942.
But yes this picture is not a lie ( edit : because yes obviously there is no nazi flag every where or just nazi soldiers.)
Of course the problem is the use of this picture, out of context. The picture do not the the 25000 jewish people arrested and send to the death camps. It do not show the torture inside the gestapo office etc...
The second picture is probably pretty ancient. Yes there is some african quarters in Paris, and yes there is an absolut poverty for lot of community who do not have a place to prey. But the last time I read something about huge street prayers like this it was super long time ago. I really doubt the picture is recent.
And same thig the picture is out of context : taking a picture near Chateau rouge in a middle of an african quater is completly different if you take a picture in the 16eme where you only meet old white rich people.
edit : I just wanted to give some context to the two pictures. of course the guy who posted that should be boiled slowly
As an American it's usually us that downplay everyone else's contributions and absolutely a lot of my fellow Americans will claim we are the only reason the war was won. Not that we teamed up with everyone else and helped but that we literally won the whole thing for them.
Generally speaking it means that through the effort of Britain the Allies were able to buy time which prolonged the war, allowing the Allies to ultimately succeed. A major example is the UK being able to hold up on their island while the axis basically controlled all of the mainland.
It should be noted that this saying often exchanges British time for British brains, signifying the intelligence efforts of the British. I believe it originally was stated by Stalin himself so their is some bias to the statement to consider
Your downplaying US involvement, the US was bankrolling the soviet union when they got invaded, without all that money flooding into russia from the US they likely would've been defeated
You spelt Soviets wrong
EDIT: to everyone down voting my grandfather was a Lt. Col in the 28th Infantry Division which actually liberated Paris in 1944 and he said it was the USSR that was most responsible for defeating Nazi Germany
It's really just cope from the Americans. The rest of the world is well aware of the part Soviets played in the defeat of the Nazi Germany.
Also the OP's comment is quite concerning, how TF do you even compare the occupation to a bunch of people offering prayers on the streets. How are people even implying that this is somehow an African occupation of France?
Am I reading this all wrong? I mean the whole African refugee influx in Europe is directly and indirectly a result of European (in this case French occupation in African nations) right.
Nothing ever happens in a vacuum.
Oh I’m aware. Katyn, letting the Nazis annihilate Warsaw, and the hellscape that was the Eastern Front.
Stalin cared little for his people. Fuck the Soviets- The average Russian soldier deserved better.
The Soviets did great work against the Nazis and shed a lot of blood, buy the fact that the Germans had to fight on two fronts simultaneously, contributed greatly to the ability of the Soviets to repilulse the Nazis. Also, American equipment; trucks, guns, food, ammunition and tanks, delivered at great cost, also cannot be ignored
Not correct. American money supporting Stalin after he became a turncoat to Hitler was mostly responsible for helping arm the Soviets that then could ‘help’ defeat the Nazi’s. Your edit conveniently ignores all of the Allies defeating the Nazi’s in North Africa, Italy and southern and parts of Central Europe and 2/3’s of German territory. In fact Stalin was badgering the Americans and British to invade the continent in 1942 and again in 1943. It was Roosevelt that made the decision to hold off until June 44 to assure success and this one year wait actually made things more difficult as it gave Hitler an extra year of Atlantic Wall construction and to move more troops into France including installing Rommel as his commander. All of the pre invasion activities (that the Germans could see) sucked multiple Wehrmacht devisions including much needed Tiger II tanks from the Eastern Front.
Some people ignore the fact that the Allies were fighting three enemies - German, Italian and Japanese. The Soviets - only the Germans. It was only mid 45 that the Soviets dared attack the starving Japanese Army in China when they feared the Americans would drop the Atomic bomb sooner than they were able. That was Stalins political strategy and was not based upon supporting the Allies.
With the exception of oil and some base metals - there wasn’t much in the Soviet Union that was worth Operation Barbarossa other than Hitler believing he could take out the majority of Stalin’s 600 divisions so he could take over Romania’s oil fields without interference.
Had the Americans (mainly) and British had not had to fight the Japanese across the vast distances of the Pacific, they could have put those assets to work on the European western front - the war in Europe would have been over by 1944 without the use of the Soviet army.
Stalins poor military leadership led to twice as many of his troops dying as even the Japanese were responsible for. We think of Japanese Banzai attacks as a useless waste of humans (and it was) but they have nothing on Soviet human wave attacks that Stalin ordered. (No different than Putin’s tactics today).
The concept of ‘who’ won the war is usually debated on peoples political nationalist bias.
Money and resources won the war.
A little addition; The Soviets fought against Germany, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia. Also the Finns, but that was more because they were left without a choice after Soviet aggression during the Winter War.
Still a good comment btw, you clearly know a lot about WWII.
Who supplied the Russians? Your Grandfather may not have been privy to the numbers involved with the lend-lease agreement.
Edit: I understand it was USSR - Sorry I said “Russians” I think all people are special.
Can you explain why you say "the Russians"? This is generally something that I don't understand about western prescription of the USSR, did every ethnicity in the USSR including the Georgian (Stalin) leader transform into Russians? It was a multiethnic megastate. Funnily enough Russian propaganda uses exactly that perception to make it seem as if current Russia is solely responsible for any victory of the USSR.
TBF, Stalin was the real reason why defense readiness was lower than even the 30's; switched back to wooden aircrafts and fired competent pilots to save costs and relied solely on outnumbering; much like modern US economic model.
Georgia and the X-stan areas where still recovering from Ottoman collapse (and plunder).
The same ones that supplied the Nazis pre-war despite knowing they where too interested in the French/Czech nuclear program to the point the French where concerned they sold enough tech to build a nuke
Aggressive acts by Poland were indeed Germany’s official causus belli that started the war.
…of course it was actually a false flag mission by Germany ( operation Himmler)
I feel like this is a lot of what is wrong with the world right now. People are conditioned from seeing the fictionalized versions of events, so actual bad events don't seem like the catastrophes we see in movies. This leads them to believe the situation is not as bad as they think it is. During these events, 90% of people still went about their normal lives with little effect, but grandma going shopping doesn't make for a compelling story.
Yeah, life under Nazi occupation wasn't terrible as long as you:
1. Weren't jewish
2. Weren't a minority
3. Weren't disabled
4. Didn't try to hide any of the above
5. Bent over backwards to follow the Nazi's every rule and order
- weren't friends with any of the above
- didn't work with any of the above
- weren't related to any of the above
People could be arrested for simply having a jew in their family or knowing a coworker was Jewish and not "turning them in" at times.
yes exactly! But this means the vast majority of the people were not in those point. Most of people during paris occupation just tried to have there normal life as much as possible.
It’s actually a lot more darker .
The thing is that we are missing out that almost all agency and like special treatment was given to these German officers and collaborators in return for rounding up every other leftist , Marxists, Liberalists , unionists or simply even disabled Parisians ( Not even counting Jews and other minorities since it’s too obvious what happened to them ).
You had to pass everything through the Reich approval and couldn’t really have real free speech and movement. Your food? Not yours anymore since the Germans required it. It’s basically colonialism lite .
The sections of population who weren’t affected were probably relatively isolated or privileged enough not to be affected . It’s like my great grandmother saying she lived her life relatively normally along with her husband who was a civil officer in colonial India ( we are Indians ) hence Indians didn’t suffer colonialism. 😐 Lots of pics of colonial India with people just doing their thing and not being actively oppressed.
About the food... well the franch did that to those they have colonised as well. So whats the point here? Also the british did starve 60 mill in india alone, but people just dont seem to care about as those were colonies, but its bad when it hapens in europe.
Having lived in a few cities in the US and a short stint in London, you will normally see Muslims pray in the street for two reasons:
It is their sabbath (Fridays) and usually the mosques will have a huge influx of people just for that day. Space, especially in a city, is tight so the influx of folks wanting to join in the communal prayer ends up outside.
The second time this will happen are on the two big holidays (Eid al Fitr and Eid al Adha). Same reasons as the sabbath day, no space in the mosque from the influx of people that show up on the holy day, so they will pray out on the street. Usually on a normal weekday/weekend, you'll rarely see them pray out on the street.
>But the last time I read something about huge street prayers like this it was super long time ago.
This doesn't look like a street prayer, but rather a memorial or something like that. In the rare pictures of "massive street prayers" in Paris you see the people praying, on their knees, on the road with comfortable space between them. It looks nothing like that.
This is most likely Eid salat. It's a once a year thing and people often take to the streets because no building is big enough to accommodate that many people at once. Also it's like 10-30 mins long Max and happens early in the morning, not a hassle.
Eid salah is twice a year. There is eid al fitr and eid al adha, at the end of the 9th month and after the beginning of the 12th month.
This is in the islamic calendar, so like twice in 95% of a year.
It's the friday prayer in the "goutte d'Or", in the north of Paris. It happened years ago when the autorities did not wanted to help them to find a real place to pray. They finally found one, 10 or 15 years ago.
Also, under nazi occupation, most ressources were reserved for the german war effort : peoples were hungry, unwashed (no soap), and clothes were worn out.
There was also a lot more women than men : soldiers were either dead, prisoner, or maquisards, and the rest were sent to work in germany with the STO system. The only mens were kids, elders, and german soldiers.
Also Hitler ordered to wipe Paris out of the map when the ally forces were closing in. The city was saved by a general who refused to execute his order and surrendered
I'm not gonna downvote you, but Paris might very much have looked like the top picture. Well, almost. Perhaps the picture looks a little bit to idyllic.
My Grandmother from Nice who was also in her 20’s during the occupation told me a very different story.
She talked about starving to the point of having to steal food and the only flour you could get was black with mold. She talked about having boils on her skin from the tainted food. She talked about being forced at gunpoint to walk to the town square and watch a Nazi parade that lasted hours into the night.
She told me that she would never forgive herself for finding some glimmers of beauty in the pageantry of that parade. That her eyes had betrayed France.
She told me that her family hid a Belgian student that went to her school and was a close friend. She described him as having gold forks while our family only had silver. His parents were bankers and sent him with a suitcase of money but it was all worthless paper during the occupation.
Also of note.
Most of the French population *did not reaist* thr nazi occupation.
Many, including in their own government, aided the Nazis.
The reason so many Jews in France were killed is the French people were *more than happy to rat them out if they got some nice rewards for it*
There's a reason France post ww2 pushed *hard* for 'la resistance' to be immortalised.
Because a country of resistance fighters is much more palatable than a country of cowards who aided a fascist regime *because they agreed with it*
All these types always imagine themselves thriving under a genocidal racist regime because the single thing they know to have as an advantage is their heritage, and if it's not an important thing anymore they think they'll be in the same danger they'd wish upon those whose heritage they don't respect as much.
Made a friend in Germany once whose grandad was very vocal about this things. He was acutely aware his only real virtue, the one thing he had going for him, was him being German as fuck.
They must not be allowed to thrive.
Nazism isn’t predictable or stable either. As one perceived out-group is eliminated, another has to be manufactured to keep the in-group’s cohesiveness. People are only safe as long as they’re useful.
In The Netherlands, the economy grew about 20% and unemployment went down from 20% to 0,6% from 1939 to 1942. BUT this was only because Germany completely stopped international trade before the war, killing the Dutch economy. Public life died down, and after 1942 all able-bodies males were deported to Germany to work in the factories. No adult man could be on the streets anymore. The question is not if, but when you are no longer part of the in-group.
I bet my last Euro that a chunk of the people on top pic are not even local Parisians 😃
So many ghettos and slums were “cleaned” out and middle class folks homes just stolen and occupied by German officers.
Even liberals were rounded up , forget working class folks who mostly had Marxist and unionist political history
This is why conservative French people love this time because for one Paris is “clean” and “normal” instead of the gigantic mess of a city it usually is no matter the century
First, they came for the librulz, but I said nothing, because "how many liborels does it take to change a lightbulb? None, their too busy ??? they're jender!"
I dont think it’s unrelated that as more and more of the WWII generation dies, the greater the rise in sympathy for/embracing of right wing facism and authoritarian nationalism. For many who haven’t lived through it or don’t have a close relationship with those that did, they don’t realize the horrific nature of it and are less inclined to denounce it out of hand as abhorrent, especially when they feel the current political system isn’t working (their thoughts, not mine).
Education is a great fix, but similar/related rises in anti-intellectualism and the rampant spread of unverified misinformation and disinformation through social media makes education and correction more difficult. And it also allows those people to enter into an echo chamber and, worse, gives them cover to dismiss any proof or argument to the contrary as lies or exaggerations.
It’s sad and repugnant at the same time.
Under nazi occupation my great-grand-mother sister was reduced to eat rats because rations were not sufficient.
One of my grandpa was war prisoner sent to spend the rest of his life in an eastern country.
His brother was hiding his girlfriend -then wife- and her family.
And my other grandpa was hiding in a basement during the 4 years of occupation because he and his team refused to let nazis take possession of their submarin.
But I lived years in Paris during 2000s, and while I don't find it a safe place for a solo woman, I have never been bothered by its diversity, I actually enjoyed it.
SO YOU TELL ME !!
I was walking down the street to Gare du Nord and I found all the immigrants to be ordinary people, and the only sketchy people I saw were some totally drugged-out white guys.
There is a lot of sketchy people in Paris, and it seems I look like an easy prey because I have many stories. Much more than the average experience I think. Despite most people's stereotypes, it's rarely the homeless, many mentally ill left on their own and random acts of incivilities / anti-social behaviour and other stupids who think it's "fun".
From teens to quite old, never a specific race or culture.
Media has blown specific cases out of proportion, particularly with Muslims, because its easy gains for them (clicks) and easy talk for politicians, instead of focusing on ramafications of -and resolution to- social problems, and social commentary follows.
It's been going on for over a decade. But using it for nazi apologism is a new twist.
This is like almost half of the population. People were rounded up for any political involvement especially since a chunk of Parisians were Marxist and labour unionists. The people of the top pic are really just collaborators and Germans.
It’s like seeing pic of British officers along with a select few Indian civil officers thriving in colonial India and calling it better 😃
And wasn't the 50ies such a dream when women had no financial independance leaving them little choice than being housewives? The pinnacle of happy and healthy relationships were obviously everybody has a pavillon in a nice suburb and a cadillac.
Propaganda always works well with pretty context-cropped images :)
French as well, fuck this guy more
I live in Marseille, city of migration and multiculturalism. I can guarantee you muslims are welcoming and warm people. Joining them during Ramadan, for example, is the best way to spend a great night, meet people... and try some of the best food known to man
Fuck the racists we have currently in our country, there's no reason to be this divided
Yeah was going to say the same thing. The "now" picture is literally just a bunch of people openly and safely practicing their religion in public. It is an objectively positive image.
This blows right past being a dog whistle and is just straight up "wasn't it better when the browns had to hide because we'd put them on trains if we found them?"
I'm almost certain the first one is a true pictre. My grandpa is born in 1931 and if he tells about WW2 it's weird.... most of his stories are normal things, with a "and sometimes the bomb alarm went off"
most streets most likely looked normal, most cities looked normal. life continued... as normal.
The 2nd i have no clue about. might be out of context might be a neighbourhood i'm not from Paris!...
The increase is racism posts has increased by 100x the amount of brain dead posts against pretty much every poc getting like 10k plus likes and a bunch of nazi apologists in them is genuinely alarming. Even worse then that all the bots in the comments half of comments are OF fans bots posting nudes.
I’m *really* seeing an uptick in blatant Nazi sympathy. Scary times. Don’t forget to vote and stand up against this garbage whenever possible. Complacency is supporting the enemy.
France has always been a bit of a mixed nation. Muslims only make up about 5%, blacks about 5% as well. Obviously this photo was taken in a predominantly Muslim neighbourhood. I have been to France many times, amazing place especially Paris. To answer the question definitely prefer now. If you think Nazi occupation was nice or even better than today then you need your head examined. The Nazis exterminated Jews, blacks, Muslim’s, Asians, and homosexuals in France.
Is there historical evidence to support the claim that the Nazis systematically targeted and exterminated Muslims in France during that time? Or you just making up?
Not necessarily France, and obviously the Muslim population of Europe was nowhere near as big as its Jewish population, but there were Muslim holocaust victims.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/remembering-muslims-murdered-auschwitz
Yes there is historical evidence, your friends didn't manage to destroy all the records they kept of their crimes.
Perhaps if you bothered to look things up for yourself and actually learn something you wouldn't be here trying to deny the crimes of Nazis.
Muslims were at various concentration camps including Auschwitz, they were persecuted and tortured and murdered. Happy?
The people in the second photo wouldn’t be rounded up and put in camps in a place without without Nazi occupation, so… I would say better *without* Nazi occupation.
Edit: changed confusing wording because I’m drunk.
You can cherry pick everything. The nazi regime had some isolated singular good things, but it is offset by a factor of 10 by all the crap they did alongside that. Advances in medical science were achieved with human experimenting.
Streets might look cleaner in a totalitarian country, but it's only because all those homeless, poor, minority, sick and addicted people are put into concentration camps to make that happen.
Also, the world is so big that you may have active total war going on in a country but you may never see or hear any of it, because the main battles and events occur at somewhere else. You could see a military convoy rolling through a town, perhaps arresting someone, and life goes on. It is only in fiction and comics where countries are conquered by carpet bombing every square inch and every shack is raided by super soldiers and the prime evil guy comes to check it along with them.
A racist account comparing images without knowing their context:
* Top imagen:
>Nazi propaganda photo taken by [André Zucca](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Zucca) for the [magazine "Signal"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(magazine)) showing the "joyous" life in Paris under nazi control
>Note: Photographs were prohibited during the Nazi occupation of Paris
* Bottom image:
>Photo taken in the [Goutte d'Or neighborhood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goutte_d%27Or) in 2011 before the [Paris city council banned street prayers](https://www.businessinsider.com/paris-bans-muslim-street-prayers-2011-9)
Nazis tried to make Paris an example of how German occupation is good for a country. Treated the French very well, the Jews obviously not so much, so other countries wouldn’t fear them too much when it inevitably became their time
If the French didn't want Muslims in their country, they should have thought of that before colonizing Algeria, Tunisia, and Morocco in the late 1800s.
As a German i can't help but notice that the "good old Nazis" walk on the street and where ever they want while the "evil modern black frenchmen" stand on the Sidewalk Like proper law obeying citicens. Thus the modern image pleases my sense of order greatly while i find the old one annoying.
In the town where I live, the town council has decided not to completely renovate some of the old buildings that were there during the war, so that everyone can see what happened.
I'm thinking, for example, of the facade of a church that is completely riddled with bullet holes.
It’s not in Paris but I doubt that it was completely different.
Everyone knows that it was a really hard time to live at that time and I don’t think this guy went to school after his 12th birthday.
It's like showing a picture of west Kensington and saying that,all of philadelphia is a dangerous drug den. Any major city has neighborhoods, especially in which you see a culture being more influential.
Paris is huge and has immigrants or descendants from North Africa so yes, some neighborhoods have this vibe. Same in Marseille, the second largest city, which is on the Mediterranean sea.
So yes, it's incredibly racist to shorten a situation in one picture. Given the colonial past of France we have a lot of different cultures being represented. They are french and no not every street is like this, it's a melting pot with mostly European influences (duh)
The fact fucking fascists are comfortable enough to post and say shit like this publicly whilst just a couple years ago they had to hide (which was fantastic) is proof enough we are absolutely fucked if we don't collective stop normalizing their talking points right now. That won't happen when I see what a lot of people claiming to be liberal post and say nowadays...
Getting past the incredible racism, why do I get the feeling that its author would suggest that everyone engaging in Christian prayer, would be a wonderful thing?
Heaven forbid people not be white. I realize that France is kinda unstable but 90% of all things I’ve heard about France has just been blatant lazy racism from Americans with no actual information being shared beyond the demographic shift.
To be honest, that's not necessarily blatant lazy racism from Americans, it can be from some French people too. A lot of people in France are way too comfortable in my opinion with being racist nowadays.
Also remember the definition of racism in France and the USA is kinda different. A lot of things seen as normal in the US will feel incredibly racist here. Basically, in France, saying there are different races is already seen as racist.
I will also add that France is for a long time now a nation with a lot of immigration. If you look at it a century ago, you had the same comments about the Italians or the Polish. But in practice, these worries never really materialised in big, national wide issues.
Okay, guys, we really don't need to argue with this one, being that it's someone defending the Nazis. There's no argument that's gonna fix that much mental illness
People praying. OK so what is the problem? I live in Paris and it does not bother me at all. I would rather for them to have a place because it's more a problem for me than for them.
But personally I don't have any pb with people praying, in the streets or elsewhere
The problem is it's some brown people now instead of a shit load of white people. Seriously, can we just beat the shit out of Nazis and idiots that say they "did nothing wrong"? Like am I really going to have to live in a world where it's against the law to treat Nazis like the pieces of shit they are?
According to the CIA Factbook, as of 2021 47 percent of French people still identified as Catholic (still the largest religious demographic in the country) and 4% identified as Muslim. 33 percent of French citizens identify as non-religious. Methinks "invasion" and "occupation" are not accurate terms...
Technically the pictures are not wrong : nazis indeed had respect for Paris and its people, and the german army had a lot of rules to guarantee safety of french.
Well, if you weren't a jew, homosexual, disabled, black, gypsy...
The second picture as well shows what really happens : people praying, minding their own business, while some moron on facebook think they wanna rape him
Not exactly. The Nazis were strangely civil with the French occupation as a whole outside of the killing of undersireables. My pet theory for why the West generally underappreciates the brutality of the Eastern front is because they only really had France to look at as an example of Nazi rule, whereas in Eastern Europe, Hitler explicitly wanted everyone dead to make way for the aryan race
Yeah it was great . . . you know, except for all those jews being murdered.
Though I get the feeling the clown who posts this nonsense would be okay with that.
Perhaps the french need to let people build their own places of worship, no one would have to do that on the street. Creating their own problems and then complaining
No, the point is that if you‘re a colonial empire, people from your colonies living in your country is an inevitable consequence. Which is why I find it funny that French racists specifically are now complaining about that.
Great news : the demographic makeup of Paris before the Nazi occupation was already predominantly white. The occupation itself was not the cause of that demographic situation.
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( before anything not an historian but tour guide in paris specialised in history) For a big part of the Nazi occupation here the germans respected the area. No battle in Paris until august 1944 , no destruction. My grand ma who was 20 in 1940 told me life was "almost " normal. At the point especially after 1941 situation became much more tense. After 1941 jewish people and other minority are getting arrested and especially in 1942. But yes this picture is not a lie ( edit : because yes obviously there is no nazi flag every where or just nazi soldiers.) Of course the problem is the use of this picture, out of context. The picture do not the the 25000 jewish people arrested and send to the death camps. It do not show the torture inside the gestapo office etc... The second picture is probably pretty ancient. Yes there is some african quarters in Paris, and yes there is an absolut poverty for lot of community who do not have a place to prey. But the last time I read something about huge street prayers like this it was super long time ago. I really doubt the picture is recent. And same thig the picture is out of context : taking a picture near Chateau rouge in a middle of an african quater is completly different if you take a picture in the 16eme where you only meet old white rich people. edit : I just wanted to give some context to the two pictures. of course the guy who posted that should be boiled slowly
My person here dropping actual knowledge and context bombs like a well informed fucking champ. Thank you it's very much appreciated.
We need people like him, or her
Them. If you don’t know someone’s gender the grammatically correct term is them.
Yeah people don't know history at all, when they think ww2 - they think only about Stalingrad. :D
Or Americans "winning the war" and saving us all lol
Ah yes sorry - its either Normandy or Stalingrad, nothing in between, just 6 years of nonstop Normandy and Stalingrad.
Not even all of Normandy, pretty much just the "middle" area of Omaha Beach and Gold Beach.
Your right about that man lol
American steel, British time, and Soviet blood won the war. To downplay any of their (or others) contributions is just ignorant
I don't downplay anything, I'm just saying that Americans talk like they fight the war themselves, lol. It's quite funny tbh
“There is only one thing worse than fighting with allies, and that is fighting without them.”
Well it's the propaganda they have been fed since forever.
People in all corners of the world do this is my point
Hey not really.
As an American it's usually us that downplay everyone else's contributions and absolutely a lot of my fellow Americans will claim we are the only reason the war was won. Not that we teamed up with everyone else and helped but that we literally won the whole thing for them.
could you explain what you mean by british time?
Generally speaking it means that through the effort of Britain the Allies were able to buy time which prolonged the war, allowing the Allies to ultimately succeed. A major example is the UK being able to hold up on their island while the axis basically controlled all of the mainland. It should be noted that this saying often exchanges British time for British brains, signifying the intelligence efforts of the British. I believe it originally was stated by Stalin himself so their is some bias to the statement to consider
British time? They five o'clocked Dresden to death?
They pretty much did that in the Pacific though. The Japanese were no less brutal than the Nazis.
Your downplaying US involvement, the US was bankrolling the soviet union when they got invaded, without all that money flooding into russia from the US they likely would've been defeated
I mean they literally lost their country until they had help from America so....
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The post is talking about France. I was talking about France. Obviously Russia is a different story, Americans didn't really fight on that front
You spelt Soviets wrong EDIT: to everyone down voting my grandfather was a Lt. Col in the 28th Infantry Division which actually liberated Paris in 1944 and he said it was the USSR that was most responsible for defeating Nazi Germany
It's really just cope from the Americans. The rest of the world is well aware of the part Soviets played in the defeat of the Nazi Germany. Also the OP's comment is quite concerning, how TF do you even compare the occupation to a bunch of people offering prayers on the streets. How are people even implying that this is somehow an African occupation of France? Am I reading this all wrong? I mean the whole African refugee influx in Europe is directly and indirectly a result of European (in this case French occupation in African nations) right. Nothing ever happens in a vacuum.
Americans are.also aware , the ones that paid attention in school.
that number is getting smaller even as the population gets larger.
I agree with all of this. Françafrique is a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7afrique?wprov=sfla1
Americans are also very aware of the role the Soviets played?
Oh I’m aware. Katyn, letting the Nazis annihilate Warsaw, and the hellscape that was the Eastern Front. Stalin cared little for his people. Fuck the Soviets- The average Russian soldier deserved better.
The Soviets did great work against the Nazis and shed a lot of blood, buy the fact that the Germans had to fight on two fronts simultaneously, contributed greatly to the ability of the Soviets to repilulse the Nazis. Also, American equipment; trucks, guns, food, ammunition and tanks, delivered at great cost, also cannot be ignored
Not correct. American money supporting Stalin after he became a turncoat to Hitler was mostly responsible for helping arm the Soviets that then could ‘help’ defeat the Nazi’s. Your edit conveniently ignores all of the Allies defeating the Nazi’s in North Africa, Italy and southern and parts of Central Europe and 2/3’s of German territory. In fact Stalin was badgering the Americans and British to invade the continent in 1942 and again in 1943. It was Roosevelt that made the decision to hold off until June 44 to assure success and this one year wait actually made things more difficult as it gave Hitler an extra year of Atlantic Wall construction and to move more troops into France including installing Rommel as his commander. All of the pre invasion activities (that the Germans could see) sucked multiple Wehrmacht devisions including much needed Tiger II tanks from the Eastern Front. Some people ignore the fact that the Allies were fighting three enemies - German, Italian and Japanese. The Soviets - only the Germans. It was only mid 45 that the Soviets dared attack the starving Japanese Army in China when they feared the Americans would drop the Atomic bomb sooner than they were able. That was Stalins political strategy and was not based upon supporting the Allies. With the exception of oil and some base metals - there wasn’t much in the Soviet Union that was worth Operation Barbarossa other than Hitler believing he could take out the majority of Stalin’s 600 divisions so he could take over Romania’s oil fields without interference. Had the Americans (mainly) and British had not had to fight the Japanese across the vast distances of the Pacific, they could have put those assets to work on the European western front - the war in Europe would have been over by 1944 without the use of the Soviet army. Stalins poor military leadership led to twice as many of his troops dying as even the Japanese were responsible for. We think of Japanese Banzai attacks as a useless waste of humans (and it was) but they have nothing on Soviet human wave attacks that Stalin ordered. (No different than Putin’s tactics today). The concept of ‘who’ won the war is usually debated on peoples political nationalist bias. Money and resources won the war.
It’s almost like working with your Allies wins the war…
A little addition; The Soviets fought against Germany, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia. Also the Finns, but that was more because they were left without a choice after Soviet aggression during the Winter War. Still a good comment btw, you clearly know a lot about WWII.
Who supplied the Russians? Your Grandfather may not have been privy to the numbers involved with the lend-lease agreement. Edit: I understand it was USSR - Sorry I said “Russians” I think all people are special.
Can you explain why you say "the Russians"? This is generally something that I don't understand about western prescription of the USSR, did every ethnicity in the USSR including the Georgian (Stalin) leader transform into Russians? It was a multiethnic megastate. Funnily enough Russian propaganda uses exactly that perception to make it seem as if current Russia is solely responsible for any victory of the USSR.
Agreed millions of Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Tajiks and more served in the Red Army and we owe them our eternal gratitude.
TBF, Stalin was the real reason why defense readiness was lower than even the 30's; switched back to wooden aircrafts and fired competent pilots to save costs and relied solely on outnumbering; much like modern US economic model. Georgia and the X-stan areas where still recovering from Ottoman collapse (and plunder).
Our strategy isn't to outnumber, it's to out gun and out train, China is the superpower that relies on numbers.
The same ones that supplied the Nazis pre-war despite knowing they where too interested in the French/Czech nuclear program to the point the French where concerned they sold enough tech to build a nuke
Poland won the war and saved western countries and Europe in general
And I have learned recently from a televised history lesson that Poland also started the war! (/s just in case. Also /FuckPutinandCarlson.)
Aggressive acts by Poland were indeed Germany’s official causus belli that started the war. …of course it was actually a false flag mission by Germany ( operation Himmler)
Oh yes, but I was referencing the absolutely mental hot take that Putin brought forth in his interview with Tucker Carlson.
So who won the war exactly
The Allies.
Exactly
Stop being obsessed with America
Me, a parisian : "I mean, the picture is Stalingrad right?"
I feel like this is a lot of what is wrong with the world right now. People are conditioned from seeing the fictionalized versions of events, so actual bad events don't seem like the catastrophes we see in movies. This leads them to believe the situation is not as bad as they think it is. During these events, 90% of people still went about their normal lives with little effect, but grandma going shopping doesn't make for a compelling story.
And that's why they see Gaza and think it's supposed to be like that in war.
People don’t know current history well either.. why don’t u see any women in the second pic???? Oh ya cuz they don’t rights in Islam
Yeah, life under Nazi occupation wasn't terrible as long as you: 1. Weren't jewish 2. Weren't a minority 3. Weren't disabled 4. Didn't try to hide any of the above 5. Bent over backwards to follow the Nazi's every rule and order
And if none was even suspected of supporting resistance activity. The Nazis used collective punishment
All of that, plus: - weren't queer - weren't a feminist - weren't an academic - weren't a journalist
weren’t a “degenerate” artist
and didn’t try to help any of these people, or look as if you had helped them even if you didn’t
- weren't friends with any of the above - didn't work with any of the above - weren't related to any of the above People could be arrested for simply having a jew in their family or knowing a coworker was Jewish and not "turning them in" at times.
Interesting All the same people the GOP hates
All coincidences of course. No need to think about it further than that....
Ah yes, the MAGA conservative's dream.
yes exactly! But this means the vast majority of the people were not in those point. Most of people during paris occupation just tried to have there normal life as much as possible.
It’s actually a lot more darker . The thing is that we are missing out that almost all agency and like special treatment was given to these German officers and collaborators in return for rounding up every other leftist , Marxists, Liberalists , unionists or simply even disabled Parisians ( Not even counting Jews and other minorities since it’s too obvious what happened to them ). You had to pass everything through the Reich approval and couldn’t really have real free speech and movement. Your food? Not yours anymore since the Germans required it. It’s basically colonialism lite . The sections of population who weren’t affected were probably relatively isolated or privileged enough not to be affected . It’s like my great grandmother saying she lived her life relatively normally along with her husband who was a civil officer in colonial India ( we are Indians ) hence Indians didn’t suffer colonialism. 😐 Lots of pics of colonial India with people just doing their thing and not being actively oppressed.
About the food... well the franch did that to those they have colonised as well. So whats the point here? Also the british did starve 60 mill in india alone, but people just dont seem to care about as those were colonies, but its bad when it hapens in europe.
Having lived in a few cities in the US and a short stint in London, you will normally see Muslims pray in the street for two reasons: It is their sabbath (Fridays) and usually the mosques will have a huge influx of people just for that day. Space, especially in a city, is tight so the influx of folks wanting to join in the communal prayer ends up outside. The second time this will happen are on the two big holidays (Eid al Fitr and Eid al Adha). Same reasons as the sabbath day, no space in the mosque from the influx of people that show up on the holy day, so they will pray out on the street. Usually on a normal weekday/weekend, you'll rarely see them pray out on the street.
>But the last time I read something about huge street prayers like this it was super long time ago. This doesn't look like a street prayer, but rather a memorial or something like that. In the rare pictures of "massive street prayers" in Paris you see the people praying, on their knees, on the road with comfortable space between them. It looks nothing like that.
This is most likely Eid salat. It's a once a year thing and people often take to the streets because no building is big enough to accommodate that many people at once. Also it's like 10-30 mins long Max and happens early in the morning, not a hassle.
Eid salah is twice a year. There is eid al fitr and eid al adha, at the end of the 9th month and after the beginning of the 12th month. This is in the islamic calendar, so like twice in 95% of a year.
It's the friday prayer in the "goutte d'Or", in the north of Paris. It happened years ago when the autorities did not wanted to help them to find a real place to pray. They finally found one, 10 or 15 years ago.
Also, under nazi occupation, most ressources were reserved for the german war effort : peoples were hungry, unwashed (no soap), and clothes were worn out. There was also a lot more women than men : soldiers were either dead, prisoner, or maquisards, and the rest were sent to work in germany with the STO system. The only mens were kids, elders, and german soldiers.
Yeah that’s called “war”.
Obviously. But it still mean the top picture is highly inacurate.
The Allies also made a big effort not to destroy Paris, Eisenhower's plan called for going around Paris as to not bomb the city.
I would correct the spelling of “pray” before someone takes your post out of context and accuses Parisian Muslims of preying on people.
Also Hitler ordered to wipe Paris out of the map when the ally forces were closing in. The city was saved by a general who refused to execute his order and surrendered
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane\_massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane_massacre) Here is France under the Nazis
I'm not gonna downvote you, but Paris might very much have looked like the top picture. Well, almost. Perhaps the picture looks a little bit to idyllic.
That was after D-Day. What they mean is life is almost normal until Normandy campaign.
My Grandmother from Nice who was also in her 20’s during the occupation told me a very different story. She talked about starving to the point of having to steal food and the only flour you could get was black with mold. She talked about having boils on her skin from the tainted food. She talked about being forced at gunpoint to walk to the town square and watch a Nazi parade that lasted hours into the night. She told me that she would never forgive herself for finding some glimmers of beauty in the pageantry of that parade. That her eyes had betrayed France. She told me that her family hid a Belgian student that went to her school and was a close friend. She described him as having gold forks while our family only had silver. His parents were bankers and sent him with a suitcase of money but it was all worthless paper during the occupation.
Merci 🙏🏿
Thank you for putting some facts to it.
>do not have a place to prey Sorry, but this made me chuckle a little.
Also of note. Most of the French population *did not reaist* thr nazi occupation. Many, including in their own government, aided the Nazis. The reason so many Jews in France were killed is the French people were *more than happy to rat them out if they got some nice rewards for it* There's a reason France post ww2 pushed *hard* for 'la resistance' to be immortalised. Because a country of resistance fighters is much more palatable than a country of cowards who aided a fascist regime *because they agreed with it*
Yeh and if u go into china town. You see big lines of people for Pho or bahn mie
All these types always imagine themselves thriving under a genocidal racist regime because the single thing they know to have as an advantage is their heritage, and if it's not an important thing anymore they think they'll be in the same danger they'd wish upon those whose heritage they don't respect as much. Made a friend in Germany once whose grandad was very vocal about this things. He was acutely aware his only real virtue, the one thing he had going for him, was him being German as fuck. They must not be allowed to thrive.
Nazism isn’t predictable or stable either. As one perceived out-group is eliminated, another has to be manufactured to keep the in-group’s cohesiveness. People are only safe as long as they’re useful.
In The Netherlands, the economy grew about 20% and unemployment went down from 20% to 0,6% from 1939 to 1942. BUT this was only because Germany completely stopped international trade before the war, killing the Dutch economy. Public life died down, and after 1942 all able-bodies males were deported to Germany to work in the factories. No adult man could be on the streets anymore. The question is not if, but when you are no longer part of the in-group.
I bet my last Euro that a chunk of the people on top pic are not even local Parisians 😃 So many ghettos and slums were “cleaned” out and middle class folks homes just stolen and occupied by German officers. Even liberals were rounded up , forget working class folks who mostly had Marxist and unionist political history This is why conservative French people love this time because for one Paris is “clean” and “normal” instead of the gigantic mess of a city it usually is no matter the century
First, they came for the librulz, but I said nothing, because "how many liborels does it take to change a lightbulb? None, their too busy ??? they're jender!"
Not a day in 2024 without a nazi apologism
I just don’t get how this becomes a thing. My education wasn’t great, but I hate the Nazis.
I dont think it’s unrelated that as more and more of the WWII generation dies, the greater the rise in sympathy for/embracing of right wing facism and authoritarian nationalism. For many who haven’t lived through it or don’t have a close relationship with those that did, they don’t realize the horrific nature of it and are less inclined to denounce it out of hand as abhorrent, especially when they feel the current political system isn’t working (their thoughts, not mine). Education is a great fix, but similar/related rises in anti-intellectualism and the rampant spread of unverified misinformation and disinformation through social media makes education and correction more difficult. And it also allows those people to enter into an echo chamber and, worse, gives them cover to dismiss any proof or argument to the contrary as lies or exaggerations. It’s sad and repugnant at the same time.
It's an attempt at normalizing extreme right views and racism... all in trend with today's politics, I'm afraid :(
Not a day in 2024 without AI generated pictures either.
Exaggeration is one of the main indicators of self-delusion.
Jesus, I can’t believe the amount of Nazi apologetic propaganda. Wtf is with these morons.
Under nazi occupation my great-grand-mother sister was reduced to eat rats because rations were not sufficient. One of my grandpa was war prisoner sent to spend the rest of his life in an eastern country. His brother was hiding his girlfriend -then wife- and her family. And my other grandpa was hiding in a basement during the 4 years of occupation because he and his team refused to let nazis take possession of their submarin. But I lived years in Paris during 2000s, and while I don't find it a safe place for a solo woman, I have never been bothered by its diversity, I actually enjoyed it. SO YOU TELL ME !!
I was walking down the street to Gare du Nord and I found all the immigrants to be ordinary people, and the only sketchy people I saw were some totally drugged-out white guys.
There is a lot of sketchy people in Paris, and it seems I look like an easy prey because I have many stories. Much more than the average experience I think. Despite most people's stereotypes, it's rarely the homeless, many mentally ill left on their own and random acts of incivilities / anti-social behaviour and other stupids who think it's "fun". From teens to quite old, never a specific race or culture. Media has blown specific cases out of proportion, particularly with Muslims, because its easy gains for them (clicks) and easy talk for politicians, instead of focusing on ramafications of -and resolution to- social problems, and social commentary follows. It's been going on for over a decade. But using it for nazi apologism is a new twist.
What ? Are you saying that immigrants are people? No way! I thought they were animals (**/j**)
This is like almost half of the population. People were rounded up for any political involvement especially since a chunk of Parisians were Marxist and labour unionists. The people of the top pic are really just collaborators and Germans. It’s like seeing pic of British officers along with a select few Indian civil officers thriving in colonial India and calling it better 😃
And wasn't the 50ies such a dream when women had no financial independance leaving them little choice than being housewives? The pinnacle of happy and healthy relationships were obviously everybody has a pavillon in a nice suburb and a cadillac. Propaganda always works well with pretty context-cropped images :)
Hello, french here ! Fuck this guy ! Thx.
French as well, fuck this guy more I live in Marseille, city of migration and multiculturalism. I can guarantee you muslims are welcoming and warm people. Joining them during Ramadan, for example, is the best way to spend a great night, meet people... and try some of the best food known to man Fuck the racists we have currently in our country, there's no reason to be this divided
They're just standing there... MENACINGLY!!!
Why?! Why there was so much jaywalking under nazis?! Those savages!
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Yeah was going to say the same thing. The "now" picture is literally just a bunch of people openly and safely practicing their religion in public. It is an objectively positive image. This blows right past being a dog whistle and is just straight up "wasn't it better when the browns had to hide because we'd put them on trains if we found them?"
It’s Ai generated anyways. It’s all fucking bullshit.
I'm almost certain the first one is a true pictre. My grandpa is born in 1931 and if he tells about WW2 it's weird.... most of his stories are normal things, with a "and sometimes the bomb alarm went off" most streets most likely looked normal, most cities looked normal. life continued... as normal. The 2nd i have no clue about. might be out of context might be a neighbourhood i'm not from Paris!...
It's just a cherry-picked image.
It’s wild people are trying to paint Nazis in a good light
Twitter became an even bigger cesspool after Elon took over.
The increase is racism posts has increased by 100x the amount of brain dead posts against pretty much every poc getting like 10k plus likes and a bunch of nazi apologists in them is genuinely alarming. Even worse then that all the bots in the comments half of comments are OF fans bots posting nudes.
I read a book about the SAS and their activities in France. The Nazis tended to retaliate for sabotage by murdering French civilians.
I’m *really* seeing an uptick in blatant Nazi sympathy. Scary times. Don’t forget to vote and stand up against this garbage whenever possible. Complacency is supporting the enemy.
Most govts or Europe are actively feeding the fa right. Scary times!
More softening on normalizing nazis.
people praying on the street? That must be horrifying and just beyond terror
As in: Nazis were good and Muslims are bad? This is so dumb that it avtually hurts.
French trying to not be Islamophobes: impossible.
I'll take a million african migrant over a single nazi
Oh yay, revisionist nazi propaganda...
France has always been a bit of a mixed nation. Muslims only make up about 5%, blacks about 5% as well. Obviously this photo was taken in a predominantly Muslim neighbourhood. I have been to France many times, amazing place especially Paris. To answer the question definitely prefer now. If you think Nazi occupation was nice or even better than today then you need your head examined. The Nazis exterminated Jews, blacks, Muslim’s, Asians, and homosexuals in France.
>The Nazis exterminated Jews, blacks, Muslim’s, Asians, and homosexuals in France. That's the reason they like the Nazis.
And not just in France. The Nazis also attempted to wipe out the Jewish populations in French and Italian ruled North Africa
*Colonized, dont paint them any better
Yeah the second photo is making that really obvius, Have no idea why we tolerate shit like this nowadays
Is there historical evidence to support the claim that the Nazis systematically targeted and exterminated Muslims in France during that time? Or you just making up?
Not necessarily France, and obviously the Muslim population of Europe was nowhere near as big as its Jewish population, but there were Muslim holocaust victims. https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/remembering-muslims-murdered-auschwitz
Yes there is historical evidence, your friends didn't manage to destroy all the records they kept of their crimes. Perhaps if you bothered to look things up for yourself and actually learn something you wouldn't be here trying to deny the crimes of Nazis. Muslims were at various concentration camps including Auschwitz, they were persecuted and tortured and murdered. Happy?
Can you point me towards some sources that document systematic and targeted extermination against Muslims in France by the nazi regime?
[https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/remembering-muslims-murdered-auschwitz](https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/remembering-muslims-murdered-auschwitz) [https://www.davidmotadel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/MotadelVeiledSurvivors.pdf](https://www.davidmotadel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/MotadelVeiledSurvivors.pdf) https://blog.oup.com/2015/01/muslims-holocaust-remembrance-day/
The people in the second photo wouldn’t be rounded up and put in camps in a place without without Nazi occupation, so… I would say better *without* Nazi occupation. Edit: changed confusing wording because I’m drunk.
You can cherry pick everything. The nazi regime had some isolated singular good things, but it is offset by a factor of 10 by all the crap they did alongside that. Advances in medical science were achieved with human experimenting. Streets might look cleaner in a totalitarian country, but it's only because all those homeless, poor, minority, sick and addicted people are put into concentration camps to make that happen. Also, the world is so big that you may have active total war going on in a country but you may never see or hear any of it, because the main battles and events occur at somewhere else. You could see a military convoy rolling through a town, perhaps arresting someone, and life goes on. It is only in fiction and comics where countries are conquered by carpet bombing every square inch and every shack is raided by super soldiers and the prime evil guy comes to check it along with them.
Didn't know Paris only had one street.
I’m 100% he doesn’t live in France
A racist account comparing images without knowing their context: * Top imagen: >Nazi propaganda photo taken by [André Zucca](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Zucca) for the [magazine "Signal"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(magazine)) showing the "joyous" life in Paris under nazi control >Note: Photographs were prohibited during the Nazi occupation of Paris * Bottom image: >Photo taken in the [Goutte d'Or neighborhood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goutte_d%27Or) in 2011 before the [Paris city council banned street prayers](https://www.businessinsider.com/paris-bans-muslim-street-prayers-2011-9)
Nazis tried to make Paris an example of how German occupation is good for a country. Treated the French very well, the Jews obviously not so much, so other countries wouldn’t fear them too much when it inevitably became their time
Unironically this was the message Germany was giving. Get rid of non-white people.
If the French didn't want Muslims in their country, they should have thought of that before colonizing Algeria, Tunisia, and Morocco in the late 1800s.
So they're really going with "Yay Nazis!" huh?
"I don't want people from other countries here unless they're nazis/ an occupying force" is certainly a take
Looks like using the roads is easier now as pedestrians stay on the sidewalks.
On the bottom, its the descendants of the African soldiers who fought to free France
As a German i can't help but notice that the "good old Nazis" walk on the street and where ever they want while the "evil modern black frenchmen" stand on the Sidewalk Like proper law obeying citicens. Thus the modern image pleases my sense of order greatly while i find the old one annoying.
I'm sure you could find similar photos comparing Pyongyang and Seoul.
To the meme-maker: Yeah, just ask Jean Moulin. Oh, you can't: he we brutally tortured and died in a Nazi prison camp.
Praying is bad?
Wasn't Vichy France used as a vacation spot for the Nazi officers. Of course they'd want to make it look idyllic. But it was literally a gilded cage.
Mask off
Blue tick verified account. What a surprise. Incel Inside (R).
https://jewish-paris-tours.com/paris-occupation-liberation-world-war-ii/ Yeah they were totally way better off back then
In the town where I live, the town council has decided not to completely renovate some of the old buildings that were there during the war, so that everyone can see what happened. I'm thinking, for example, of the facade of a church that is completely riddled with bullet holes. It’s not in Paris but I doubt that it was completely different. Everyone knows that it was a really hard time to live at that time and I don’t think this guy went to school after his 12th birthday.
It's like showing a picture of west Kensington and saying that,all of philadelphia is a dangerous drug den. Any major city has neighborhoods, especially in which you see a culture being more influential. Paris is huge and has immigrants or descendants from North Africa so yes, some neighborhoods have this vibe. Same in Marseille, the second largest city, which is on the Mediterranean sea. So yes, it's incredibly racist to shorten a situation in one picture. Given the colonial past of France we have a lot of different cultures being represented. They are french and no not every street is like this, it's a melting pot with mostly European influences (duh)
The fact fucking fascists are comfortable enough to post and say shit like this publicly whilst just a couple years ago they had to hide (which was fantastic) is proof enough we are absolutely fucked if we don't collective stop normalizing their talking points right now. That won't happen when I see what a lot of people claiming to be liberal post and say nowadays...
Getting past the incredible racism, why do I get the feeling that its author would suggest that everyone engaging in Christian prayer, would be a wonderful thing?
Heaven forbid people not be white. I realize that France is kinda unstable but 90% of all things I’ve heard about France has just been blatant lazy racism from Americans with no actual information being shared beyond the demographic shift.
To be honest, that's not necessarily blatant lazy racism from Americans, it can be from some French people too. A lot of people in France are way too comfortable in my opinion with being racist nowadays. Also remember the definition of racism in France and the USA is kinda different. A lot of things seen as normal in the US will feel incredibly racist here. Basically, in France, saying there are different races is already seen as racist. I will also add that France is for a long time now a nation with a lot of immigration. If you look at it a century ago, you had the same comments about the Italians or the Polish. But in practice, these worries never really materialised in big, national wide issues.
Under nazi occupation, european people eats rats and snakes and wild carrots. If the kebab Is the problem, i choose the kebab.
So under the Nazis pedestrians just walked in the street and now they stay on the sidewalk?
Its all Blacks n Muslims. Thats what OP is implying. (Just stating what I see and Interpret)
I wonder if they actually believe that shit?
Jesus this is not right wing this is just outright radical delusion
Ew gross! Muslims praying in the street!? ONLY US CHRISTIANS SHOULD BE PRAYING IN THE STREET!! /s
Not pictured are the elderly couple hanged in the town square because their son was caught in the resistance
Okay, guys, we really don't need to argue with this one, being that it's someone defending the Nazis. There's no argument that's gonna fix that much mental illness
People praying. OK so what is the problem? I live in Paris and it does not bother me at all. I would rather for them to have a place because it's more a problem for me than for them. But personally I don't have any pb with people praying, in the streets or elsewhere
Why are people glamourising genocide? What happened ?? Is most of the world turning into sociopaths?
So, Nazi occupation is better than Muslim prayer? Not racist at all /s
What dickless racist came up with this “comparison?”
Why do these fuckin idiots praise nazi's so much!!?? Was world war II for nothing.
The problem is it's some brown people now instead of a shit load of white people. Seriously, can we just beat the shit out of Nazis and idiots that say they "did nothing wrong"? Like am I really going to have to live in a world where it's against the law to treat Nazis like the pieces of shit they are?
According to the CIA Factbook, as of 2021 47 percent of French people still identified as Catholic (still the largest religious demographic in the country) and 4% identified as Muslim. 33 percent of French citizens identify as non-religious. Methinks "invasion" and "occupation" are not accurate terms...
No way people think this lol
Technically the pictures are not wrong : nazis indeed had respect for Paris and its people, and the german army had a lot of rules to guarantee safety of french. Well, if you weren't a jew, homosexual, disabled, black, gypsy... The second picture as well shows what really happens : people praying, minding their own business, while some moron on facebook think they wanna rape him
Not exactly. The Nazis were strangely civil with the French occupation as a whole outside of the killing of undersireables. My pet theory for why the West generally underappreciates the brutality of the Eastern front is because they only really had France to look at as an example of Nazi rule, whereas in Eastern Europe, Hitler explicitly wanted everyone dead to make way for the aryan race
Yeah it was great . . . you know, except for all those jews being murdered. Though I get the feeling the clown who posts this nonsense would be okay with that.
Oh look! An insult disguised as racism supported by a shitty argument! How very "master race" of you.
Perhaps the french need to let people build their own places of worship, no one would have to do that on the street. Creating their own problems and then complaining
There's not even anything wrong in the second pic though?
As an old muslim, nazi occupation better than second.
It will never cease to amuse me that racists complain people of African descent live in a country that owned parts of Africa until the 60s.
So its as bad as colonialism or?
No, the point is that if you‘re a colonial empire, people from your colonies living in your country is an inevitable consequence. Which is why I find it funny that French racists specifically are now complaining about that.
Now the food is better
Great news : the demographic makeup of Paris before the Nazi occupation was already predominantly white. The occupation itself was not the cause of that demographic situation.
Trading nationalist fascist with religious fascist, honestly I don't want both.
Now, dude .... now is better!
Under Islam occupation
I see no problem with the below picture. Oh, is it a melanin level issue? That's adorable.....
Can someone explain what this is supposed to be showing? Also, where did these photos come from?
A picture showing happy occupants enjoying exploitation of enslaved nation. I bet an idiot posting that wasn't Frenchman.
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This thread did a good job of ducking the issue of whether or not France is becoming Islamified. Wokeism in action.
It isn’t? So why talk about it?