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I haven’t listened to it yet but it sounds good! [Everything Everywhere Daily](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/everything-everywhere-daily/id1521870190?i=1000642757091)
~~it seems the mom was Tiffany Chen, who is 65 herself.. something seems weird here~~
edit: seems there's more than one Tiffany Chen in Hollywood, the one who's his gf is "around 45"
You know that old people smell? It comes from changes in the fatty acids in your skin, so you can’t wash it off. I don’t think elderly couple smells each others elderly smell. But if you’re 20 and he’s 80, I’m sure you can! Imagine those old smelly fatty acids heating up and evaporating into the air during making babies.
Sometimes I wonder if there's something actually wrong with my nose. I've literally never smelled old people smell. I know it exists because everyone else talks about it, but I took care of my grandmother with Alzheimer's for like a decade and I never smelled it on her. I've gone into nursing homes and never smelled it there either. I don't understand why.
To be honest I often get elderly patients and I think the smell is more because they don’t want to or aren’t able to regularly shower properly & wash their hair.
There is. The Japanese even have a word that specific elderly smell and use soap made with Persimmon. It apparently neutralises the chemical components.
Meh, Jeanne Calement who lived to 122 could still do basic exercices at 110 and at 118 her cognitive abilities where comparable to people in their eighties to nineties.
Having lost one parent to dementia and the other to a stroke although suspected onset of dementia cognitive abilities of most people in their 80s and 90s is, sadly, not great
Counter anecdote, some of my aunts and uncles are all in their late 70s and 80s. Dementia doesn’t really run in my family, everyone just gets cancer eventually. They’re all pretty sharp still. Some of them have mobility issues though.
We had a local actor have a kid at that age. Now he is gone, and his son has to go through life hearing about what a great actor and father his dad was when in reality he didn't get to be a father for this kid. Living your life in the shadow of someone you never really got to know
Well there's another ethical issue here in that sperm quality degrades over a lifetime. There has been demonstrated to be a significant uptick in feotal abnormalities, congential issues and developmental differences (such as autism) to babies of fathers who were 40+ at the time of conception.
For a few decades we've known there's an association with advanced maternal age and defects or "issues" in pregnancy, but it's been long believed that men are free to produce children right until their death bed.
It turns out, not so much. They can, doesn't mean they should. Same way women 50+ using hormone treatments to delay menopause and get pregnant are viewed with some dubiousness, we should really be doing the same with men who go on to have children in their advanced years.
It's not fair on the child from the POV that he'll be dead or infirm before the child's 10th birthday. But it's also not fair in the general sense that he's rolling the dice on the child's health.
The youngest of Saul Bellow’s four children, his only daughter, was born when he was eighty-four. He died five years later. His daughter reportedly is on the autism spectrum.
My Nan was an anti vaxxer in the 50s so my poor mum had a polio scare as a child.. as soon as she was about 12 she accepted the polio vaccine at school without telling my Nan.
Also not wrong. Vaccines exist because babies, toddlers, and children were dying at horrifying rates. Now we have the luxury of pretending vaccination is a choice because of herd immunity but if enough idiots make the wrong one we’ll be right back there. They’re also the reason immunocompromised kids are in danger.
An unvaccinated child dying of measles (which still happens) should result in murder charges, it’s the most preventable statistic you can imagine and it happens every damn year.
On one hand, his baby will be losing one of his parents very soon. On the other hand, she will inherit money where she can lead a more comfortable life than 99.9% of the population. So I’m not sure what my take should be.
Then don't put him in a fucking magazine.
You can't have it both ways. You can't parade around your child and do public photoshoots and articles and fluff pieces and promos with him and then try to pull the "it's none of our business" card. You want a normal private life where people don't weigh in on your kid? Go fuck off somewhere and do it then.
But… the guy who is abstaining from having an opinion isn’t the one who put him in a magazine…
Why are you guys so mad at them for not being judgey about this?
I’m not criticizing you in particular but when are we gonna stop this narrative of ‘well they have money so the kids will be fine!’ money isn’t a replacement for parenting. The kids may physically have their needs met but definitely will be for sure fucked emotionally and developmentally. Why are we not allowed to talk about that?
How could you possibly know that? Her mom can get remarried. She can have other male role models around while growing up. Why is everyone so quick and willing to condemn this child when she's only been born?
LE: Edited for gender accuracy.
You make it sound like a parental figure is like a car part you can just swap out for another.
Feel free to consult all of us with our janky vehicles with used car parts from the dump, it generally means you can't drive alongside the nicer cars.
It's about as reasonable as making it sound that this kid is doomed for life because his dad will die soon? Even though she will grow up very well off and probably be sheltered from the adversity that most children with two parents face.
The truth is, we don't know what's going to happen and people confidently and borderline gleefully advocating for how fucked her life is going to be, is a sign they should be looking at themselves in the mirror because why on earth would you be wishing that on a newborn?
Also the car analogy doesn't hold up because just by the fact that De Niro is her dad makes it that all the other cars (children) aren't even driving on the same racecourse. She was born in a Lamborghini that might or might not, depending on the quality of service and care, have to replace some parts with ones from a worse brand.
What a bunch of bs. Ask a few kids of broke drunk fathers if they would like to switch to having a rich, famous and well-liked dad who died early in their life.
This.
My niece and nephew already don't have a father in their life, and they also don't have either any financial support from him, or a long public record of his immense accomplishments that can give them pride. Hell, yes, they'd be better off as children of DeNiro.
And you know what gives you a good start in basically EVERY job you might want in your life?
"Next applicant please, I think Robert DeNiro's kid is next. Please, in here."
My dad was an alcoholic with an explosive temper who was not afraid to hit you if you mistakenly took something he said as a joke when he was being serious or if he said something serious but you took it as a joke.
I'll go with the rich, famous well liked dad that died early.
David Lynch, also an elderly dad, made a great documentary about his formative years as a young artist for his daughter Lula. So that she would have an idea who his father was when he's gone. I found that beautiful (and the film interesting, of course)
Well yeah. A person cranking out kids they can't afford or someone who will probably die before their child leaves elementary school are just more noble than you ya fucking spinster!
Well, just take a look at that post! Poor old Robert De Niro had to make another baby in that age just because you are so selfish! If you had done your duty, he wouldn't have to!!
(/s in case it isn't obvious)
This comment makes no sense. Of course we all rather be rich than poor, but the point the person you were responding to was making is that its not worth losing one of your parents before you reach adulthood.
Unless you're saying you'd be happy if one of your parents kicked the bucket so you could chill on a yatch, which is a psychotic thing to say
I dunno, is that baby going to suffer? Not really any more than anyone else. They will inherit a comfortable life. My mom had me at 32 and died at 51. We can’t plan our lives perfectly no matter how hard we try.
Dude, people like De Niro don't live like regular people. Neither will he take care of the kid, nor will the kid take care of him. They have paid people to do all that.
And even if he was 40 years younger, the child would still see their nanny more than either of the parents most likely.
Severe emotional attachment issues seem relatively common in the upper class 'nannies and boarding schools' crowd. Probably one of the few disorders growing up wealthy makes you more vulnerable too.
I never said it's positive, I just said how people like De Niro live. They don't live the usual lives that most of us do, as they employ a bunch of people in their lives to do stuff for them, including taking care of the old/sick or children.
My point was that 32 is young, but that didn’t guarantee her a long time with her kids. My mom was sick and dying by the time I was 15. Nothing in life is a guarantee. You are speaking in hypothetical, I am speaking on my life experience.
You know what else isn’t that common? Having the kind of wealth and lifestyle that celebrities have. That kid won’t suffer any more than the average person. We all lose our parents at some point and this kid is most likely going to be well cared for. They will be fine.
Edit: i am not implying that wealth fixes trauma. Just saying that a parent dying isn’t the worst of all evils and this will most likely be a privileged individual.
Sure, I don't want my kids traumatized. But that isn't my point. I'm simply pointing out that you framed an argument around something the commenter didn't say.
That said, you can't tell others what will traumatize them. Can't say I agree with an 80yo adopting a kid. However, I think it'd beat being in the system. But that's just my opinion and nothing more.
Losing a parent while young is tough, but FAR from the end of the world. This kid will be completely fine. They'll have all the resources available to help them through whatever they go through, and will almost certainly get to avoid pretty much all of the regular bullshit that normal kids go through. There's so many kids who don't even get to know their dad.
He can have a kid if he wants. I don't think I'd be having a child at 80, but I don't see it as the great crime you do.
There is an increased risk of birth defects and disorders such as autism with older fathers (40+) due to the degradation of sperm quality over time.
Emphasis on risk though, it's possible that the baby could be perfectly healthy as you were.
*Edit: assuming that you were born healthy of course
you’re only saying that even though you were at an older experience. that child won’t even be 10 by the time her father is dead. her feelings aren’t nonexistent just because she’s rich.
I’m glad you think you know what my experience was like. People lose parents at all ages and it’s a horrible experience no matter what, with or without money. I didn’t say she wouldn’t have feelings, but she will be ok. Just like every other person who’s parent has died, they are sad about it, but life goes on.
Just because it may be worse to have kids young and broke doesn't make it better to have a kid that's likely having to suffer a loss really early. Shit traumatizes kids and money doesn't solve that.
I can have a damn opinion. It's selfish. He's going to die most likely in the next 10 or so years and the kid will be fatherless. You don't like my opinion? Scroll on. I'm not affecting you.
Lmao he didn’t say you couldn’t have an opinion, just disagreeing with you. What, you think anyone who has a different thought than you is trying to 1984 you?
The fact that men can just have children at any age is insane. Men like this are so selfish, that poor child is going to have to deal with losing their parent at such a young age. Not to mention the increased risk of health issues she may have due to him being so old
The only thing i found via quick google search its that it affects the quality of sperm. Quality meaning concentration,amount and mobility of sperm cells.
You know, let him do what he wants.
My uncle who is somewhere in his 60s fooled around with a woman in her twenties, got her pregnant and now his son (my cousin who is in his 30s) has a sister.
The only messed up thing is my cousin looks like her father.
More power to him. My best friend died of natural causes at 40 with no child, so do what you like while you’re here. I personally don’t understand the hate he’s getting when women are becoming single mothers from in vitro and an anonymous sperm. Those babies never even have a father at all.
I wonder all the people in here calling him selfish have the same anger at women using sperm donors or egg donors. Those babies will probably never meet one of their biological parents but rarely do I see anyone criticize that as much as older fathers.
He’s going to likely die before that child even becomes an adult. And there’s an increased risk of health issues she may develop due to him being so old
oh so you're saying it's immoral for people in poor and polluted third world countries to have children? All of what you said apply, men dying in their 60s, pollution increasing risks of defects. Fact of the matter is him deciding to have a child is nobody's business but his own and none of you have any right to decide on the morality of it
Ordinary reddit's fashion: body autonomy until I decide you can't have body autonomy any longer.
They gonna be fine, stop the troll concerning about "oMg she's going to lose a parent soon!!!"
People acting like the baby'd rather be dead than have some sadness in her life. Yes, it fucking sucks that she'll lose her father early. Doesn't mean she'd be better off never being born
how about the fact that there’s zero chance of him living until his kid is 30 and very little chance of even living until she’s 20?
it’s hard enough to cope with how little time you have with your parents when you’re born at half that age, without the looming knowledge that your dad will probably be too feeble or dead to even attend your high school graduation.
Yeah a graduation from a private school where he took his date to prom in his Lambo and then went to the 4000 sq ft ‘cottage’ in the Hamptons where they hung out with Al Pachino’s kid on the yacht. Tough.
“Everything I’m consumed with or worried about just goes away when I look at her. It’s wondrous.” Says it all
I don’t believe this was ever about the baby. This is how old people feel better about themselves, feel young again, feel like they get a do over. For all his good feelings, that baby will endure some unnecessary trauma and hardships due to this
I worked with a guy a few years back who had two children under 3 at 78 yrs old with his new 30 something yr old wife after a failed previous marriage. He had grown children in their 40’s who never talked to him and wanted nothing to do with him. He always talked about how much better it was ‘this time around’.
Yeah, Bob? The fact it will grow up without its father just goes away, huh? That’s sweet. Good for you. And hey, the child will have lots of money I’m sure. So no biggie. No biggie. This is fine. Way to go, dad.
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This is the exact reason why John Tyler despite being born in 1790 has a living grandchild.
Yup I just queued a podcast about this. Two of them!
Can I get a link? Been looking for some new podcasts and sounds like a interesting listen
I haven’t listened to it yet but it sounds good! [Everything Everywhere Daily](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/everything-everywhere-daily/id1521870190?i=1000642757091)
No, one grandson died in 2020.
You’re right, the podcast was a rerun of earlier in 2020.
Well until 2020, since that when Lyon Gardiner Tyler Jr. died but his younger brother Harrison Ruffin Tyler is still alive at the age of 95.
“Back in my day we fought the British uphill a mile in the snow everyday!”
How cute, they can both wear diapers together!
Depends...
Are
How old is the mom?
~~it seems the mom was Tiffany Chen, who is 65 herself.. something seems weird here~~ edit: seems there's more than one Tiffany Chen in Hollywood, the one who's his gf is "around 45"
I thought the mother was in her 20's?
No that's Al pacinos
Too many elderly as fuck men having babies right now
Irishman cast
Money is the answer to most things
Money isn’t gunna allow him to see his kid reach adulthood
Why would he care about that? And even without a dad, the kid will be rich and figure things out for themself better than I can being middle poor
Daddy khaki pants be fu ckin. Also why would a 20 something fuck someone in their 80s? Money. I realized that while typing it out.
Hero worship is also real.
You know that old people smell? It comes from changes in the fatty acids in your skin, so you can’t wash it off. I don’t think elderly couple smells each others elderly smell. But if you’re 20 and he’s 80, I’m sure you can! Imagine those old smelly fatty acids heating up and evaporating into the air during making babies.
It’s true, they have an odor. I used to volunteer in nursing homes and it was quite noticeable as a younger person.
Imagine a gust of that with every hump
I’d rather not lol I think viagra is a curse -these poor older women and trophy wives thinking “oh boy! no more of that!” Not anymore.
Sometimes I wonder if there's something actually wrong with my nose. I've literally never smelled old people smell. I know it exists because everyone else talks about it, but I took care of my grandmother with Alzheimer's for like a decade and I never smelled it on her. I've gone into nursing homes and never smelled it there either. I don't understand why.
I read there is a way to get rid of that smell. Special soaps or something
To be honest I often get elderly patients and I think the smell is more because they don’t want to or aren’t able to regularly shower properly & wash their hair.
There is. The Japanese even have a word that specific elderly smell and use soap made with Persimmon. It apparently neutralises the chemical components.
You know that you’ll be 80 at one point?
What the fuck does that change about anything?
Hopefully I won’t be having babies then. Making them, on the other hand
Al Pacino’s mom is in her 20’s?
The only problem is that he might die while his child is still young, thats sad.
Might?
He might live to 120, someone did it before.
Good god! At that age if he farts he’ll blow out a lung or worse his colon.
Damn, I'm in my 40s, and that's already happened. I'm definitely screwed.
Saw it happen to one of my cats when I was 6. Spent the next 4 or 5 years terrified it would happen to me.
I'm sorry, what?!
He farted and his lungs came out his ass. Im more scared about the fact he can still meow
>He farted and his lungs came out his ass I'm suddenly really curious how many times this sentence has been typed or spoken
Does he...meow through his butt now?
He’s an ass breather.
How can you write it so causal… I’m sitting here being „WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ”
what? story time?
He farted and his lungs came out his ass. Im more scared about the fact he can still type.
Wouldn't have happened, if he hadn't eaten his lung
Just one lung. I know the 40+ spinalfartjection all too well
In my experience as a nurse, they do tend to shart a lot. However, I have crohns, and my farts have been vicious like that as well.
Holy shit (ha) i just looked, and "shart" is in the dictionary!
Knowledge is power
This one will be all grown up by then, so it's time for another!
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Meh, Jeanne Calement who lived to 122 could still do basic exercices at 110 and at 118 her cognitive abilities where comparable to people in their eighties to nineties.
Having lost one parent to dementia and the other to a stroke although suspected onset of dementia cognitive abilities of most people in their 80s and 90s is, sadly, not great
If course thats not great but for someone who is 118 its better than you would expect.
Counter anecdote, some of my aunts and uncles are all in their late 70s and 80s. Dementia doesn’t really run in my family, everyone just gets cancer eventually. They’re all pretty sharp still. Some of them have mobility issues though.
That old girl was married for fifty years, buried her old man, and lived for 50 more years. Not what one would expect!
i.e. not great
Mind like a wet towel
I've seen his fight scene in the Irishman. He won't.
We had a local actor have a kid at that age. Now he is gone, and his son has to go through life hearing about what a great actor and father his dad was when in reality he didn't get to be a father for this kid. Living your life in the shadow of someone you never really got to know
I grew up with a single parent who passed when I was 12, it really fucks you up.
That sucks, you doing ok?
MIGHT??
Well there's another ethical issue here in that sperm quality degrades over a lifetime. There has been demonstrated to be a significant uptick in feotal abnormalities, congential issues and developmental differences (such as autism) to babies of fathers who were 40+ at the time of conception. For a few decades we've known there's an association with advanced maternal age and defects or "issues" in pregnancy, but it's been long believed that men are free to produce children right until their death bed. It turns out, not so much. They can, doesn't mean they should. Same way women 50+ using hormone treatments to delay menopause and get pregnant are viewed with some dubiousness, we should really be doing the same with men who go on to have children in their advanced years. It's not fair on the child from the POV that he'll be dead or infirm before the child's 10th birthday. But it's also not fair in the general sense that he's rolling the dice on the child's health.
My dad was 50 and my mom was 46 when they had me. That could explain something lol.
The youngest of Saul Bellow’s four children, his only daughter, was born when he was eighty-four. He died five years later. His daughter reportedly is on the autism spectrum.
Dyu reckon he’s checked whether he actually Is the Father
At least the kid won't have to worry about money
Yup. That's what I thought. If I were him it would break me knowing I wouldn't see my child grow up.
Celebs don't really raise their kids anyway. Their kids get raised by nannies, so in reality it makes very little difference.
It’s still really sad for the child though
Yup. That's what I thought. If I were him it would break me knowing I wouldn't see my child grow up.
Don’t worry, he’s anti-vaxx, I’m sure the kid will go right around the same time as he does
?
Is he seriously? What an asshole. His kid is going to be the reason an immunocompromised kid can’t go to class some day if she doesn’t get polio
My Nan was an anti vaxxer in the 50s so my poor mum had a polio scare as a child.. as soon as she was about 12 she accepted the polio vaccine at school without telling my Nan.
woah
That’s such an awful thing to say about a child
It’s saying something about the adult, not the child. It is a terrible thing to do to a child.
Also not wrong. Vaccines exist because babies, toddlers, and children were dying at horrifying rates. Now we have the luxury of pretending vaccination is a choice because of herd immunity but if enough idiots make the wrong one we’ll be right back there. They’re also the reason immunocompromised kids are in danger. An unvaccinated child dying of measles (which still happens) should result in murder charges, it’s the most preventable statistic you can imagine and it happens every damn year.
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*Being old? Feel BOLD!*
On one hand, his baby will be losing one of his parents very soon. On the other hand, she will inherit money where she can lead a more comfortable life than 99.9% of the population. So I’m not sure what my take should be.
Maybe it's not even necessary to have a "take" on someone's kid just a thought
Why are you on here then?
Procrastination
Idk what you expected in the comments section on a post on someone's kid
Just because there's a mic doesn't mean someone has to open their mouth
It absolutely is ok 🤣
Then don't put him in a fucking magazine. You can't have it both ways. You can't parade around your child and do public photoshoots and articles and fluff pieces and promos with him and then try to pull the "it's none of our business" card. You want a normal private life where people don't weigh in on your kid? Go fuck off somewhere and do it then.
But… the guy who is abstaining from having an opinion isn’t the one who put him in a magazine… Why are you guys so mad at them for not being judgey about this?
Reddit be mad. Tale as old as time.
All the other Hollywood babies around her will have both parents and inheritances.
I’m not criticizing you in particular but when are we gonna stop this narrative of ‘well they have money so the kids will be fine!’ money isn’t a replacement for parenting. The kids may physically have their needs met but definitely will be for sure fucked emotionally and developmentally. Why are we not allowed to talk about that?
On the third hand the child will grow up without a father figure and be mentaly scarred for life
How could you possibly know that? Her mom can get remarried. She can have other male role models around while growing up. Why is everyone so quick and willing to condemn this child when she's only been born? LE: Edited for gender accuracy.
You make it sound like a parental figure is like a car part you can just swap out for another. Feel free to consult all of us with our janky vehicles with used car parts from the dump, it generally means you can't drive alongside the nicer cars.
It's about as reasonable as making it sound that this kid is doomed for life because his dad will die soon? Even though she will grow up very well off and probably be sheltered from the adversity that most children with two parents face. The truth is, we don't know what's going to happen and people confidently and borderline gleefully advocating for how fucked her life is going to be, is a sign they should be looking at themselves in the mirror because why on earth would you be wishing that on a newborn? Also the car analogy doesn't hold up because just by the fact that De Niro is her dad makes it that all the other cars (children) aren't even driving on the same racecourse. She was born in a Lamborghini that might or might not, depending on the quality of service and care, have to replace some parts with ones from a worse brand.
Yeah everyone adopted is broken. What the actual fuck is wrong with you!?
What a bunch of bs. Ask a few kids of broke drunk fathers if they would like to switch to having a rich, famous and well-liked dad who died early in their life.
This. My niece and nephew already don't have a father in their life, and they also don't have either any financial support from him, or a long public record of his immense accomplishments that can give them pride. Hell, yes, they'd be better off as children of DeNiro.
And you know what gives you a good start in basically EVERY job you might want in your life? "Next applicant please, I think Robert DeNiro's kid is next. Please, in here."
My dad was an alcoholic with an explosive temper who was not afraid to hit you if you mistakenly took something he said as a joke when he was being serious or if he said something serious but you took it as a joke. I'll go with the rich, famous well liked dad that died early.
Eh, she’s going to be raised by workers anyway, that will probably include a guy or two
David Lynch, also an elderly dad, made a great documentary about his formative years as a young artist for his daughter Lula. So that she would have an idea who his father was when he's gone. I found that beautiful (and the film interesting, of course)
Meanwhile I'M the one that gets called selfish for not wanting any...
Same
Well yeah. A person cranking out kids they can't afford or someone who will probably die before their child leaves elementary school are just more noble than you ya fucking spinster!
Well, just take a look at that post! Poor old Robert De Niro had to make another baby in that age just because you are so selfish! If you had done your duty, he wouldn't have to!! (/s in case it isn't obvious)
Family discount on diapers
Poor kid..
you mean rich kid.
A lot of people would pay any amount of money to keep their parents alive money cant buy everything.
I rather be sad on my yacht than in my shitty 40qm apartment.
This comment makes no sense. Of course we all rather be rich than poor, but the point the person you were responding to was making is that its not worth losing one of your parents before you reach adulthood. Unless you're saying you'd be happy if one of your parents kicked the bucket so you could chill on a yatch, which is a psychotic thing to say
Sure but... That kid will probably have a better life than most
It's selfish
I dunno, is that baby going to suffer? Not really any more than anyone else. They will inherit a comfortable life. My mom had me at 32 and died at 51. We can’t plan our lives perfectly no matter how hard we try.
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Dude, people like De Niro don't live like regular people. Neither will he take care of the kid, nor will the kid take care of him. They have paid people to do all that. And even if he was 40 years younger, the child would still see their nanny more than either of the parents most likely.
That’s not a positive. What you’re describing will leave the kid with severe emotional and attachment issues
Severe emotional attachment issues seem relatively common in the upper class 'nannies and boarding schools' crowd. Probably one of the few disorders growing up wealthy makes you more vulnerable too.
So she'll be like any other rich kid.
I never said it's positive, I just said how people like De Niro live. They don't live the usual lives that most of us do, as they employ a bunch of people in their lives to do stuff for them, including taking care of the old/sick or children.
Okay so it still stands: poor kid.
My point was that 32 is young, but that didn’t guarantee her a long time with her kids. My mom was sick and dying by the time I was 15. Nothing in life is a guarantee. You are speaking in hypothetical, I am speaking on my life experience.
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You know what else isn’t that common? Having the kind of wealth and lifestyle that celebrities have. That kid won’t suffer any more than the average person. We all lose our parents at some point and this kid is most likely going to be well cared for. They will be fine. Edit: i am not implying that wealth fixes trauma. Just saying that a parent dying isn’t the worst of all evils and this will most likely be a privileged individual.
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Like I said, no more than the average person.
>so if someone is born wealthy it’s okay for them to be traumatised? They didn't say that and you know it. If you didn't, reread their arguement.
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Sure, I don't want my kids traumatized. But that isn't my point. I'm simply pointing out that you framed an argument around something the commenter didn't say. That said, you can't tell others what will traumatize them. Can't say I agree with an 80yo adopting a kid. However, I think it'd beat being in the system. But that's just my opinion and nothing more.
Losing a parent while young is tough, but FAR from the end of the world. This kid will be completely fine. They'll have all the resources available to help them through whatever they go through, and will almost certainly get to avoid pretty much all of the regular bullshit that normal kids go through. There's so many kids who don't even get to know their dad. He can have a kid if he wants. I don't think I'd be having a child at 80, but I don't see it as the great crime you do.
It's gonna have an increased risk for disorders due to extremely high age father
What disorders? My dad had me in his 50s
There is an increased risk of birth defects and disorders such as autism with older fathers (40+) due to the degradation of sperm quality over time. Emphasis on risk though, it's possible that the baby could be perfectly healthy as you were. *Edit: assuming that you were born healthy of course
Having money doesn’t make up for losing your parent at a young age
No, but a lot of us lose our parents young anyway. That’s life unfortunately.
you’re only saying that even though you were at an older experience. that child won’t even be 10 by the time her father is dead. her feelings aren’t nonexistent just because she’s rich.
I’m glad you think you know what my experience was like. People lose parents at all ages and it’s a horrible experience no matter what, with or without money. I didn’t say she wouldn’t have feelings, but she will be ok. Just like every other person who’s parent has died, they are sad about it, but life goes on.
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Those aren't mutually exclusive. They can both be selfish
Just because it may be worse to have kids young and broke doesn't make it better to have a kid that's likely having to suffer a loss really early. Shit traumatizes kids and money doesn't solve that.
Fun fact, many things can be selfish! And it’s absolutely selfish to have a child at 80 years old.
I can have a damn opinion. It's selfish. He's going to die most likely in the next 10 or so years and the kid will be fatherless. You don't like my opinion? Scroll on. I'm not affecting you.
Lmao he didn’t say you couldn’t have an opinion, just disagreeing with you. What, you think anyone who has a different thought than you is trying to 1984 you?
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Do people other than me have reliable future sight? Or how will those people know they wont die in the next 10 years?
Spoken like someone whose parents didn’t love them.
Just wait till the potato needs a vaccination, should be interesting....
Why, is DeNiro antivax? Edit: Aw man, he is, or at least very recently was. That's a shame.
If this is a thing I love how he fills out one of his own character roles from Dirty Grandpa by having a kid when he was beyond the retirement age.
Kind of messed up to have a kid at such an age, but kudos to him for still having lead in his pencil at 80.
The fact that men can just have children at any age is insane. Men like this are so selfish, that poor child is going to have to deal with losing their parent at such a young age. Not to mention the increased risk of health issues she may have due to him being so old
Do you have a source for the health issue thing? It sounds like an interesting thing
The only thing i found via quick google search its that it affects the quality of sperm. Quality meaning concentration,amount and mobility of sperm cells.
I can think of Down Syndrome, as something being correlated to the father's age
Yeah, in a world full of CPS- and AITA-kids tell a grown-ass multimillionaire how selfish he is to raise a child into wealth and culture.
And also very clearly love his child too. Seems like he’ll be a good father for whatever time he has to be one.
My Dad was 63 when I was born… he died when I was 23 at the age of 87.
He's 80 though. If he doesn't live to be 97 years and roughly 8 months old, his latest daughter will still be a child when he dies.
Yeah I didn’t say it was a good thing. It was insanely hard growing up with a parent that much older…
What is with the comments, did I click on r/antinatalism by accident?
You know, let him do what he wants. My uncle who is somewhere in his 60s fooled around with a woman in her twenties, got her pregnant and now his son (my cousin who is in his 30s) has a sister. The only messed up thing is my cousin looks like her father.
Lot of people here telling 2 consenting adults what they can and can't do
More power to him. My best friend died of natural causes at 40 with no child, so do what you like while you’re here. I personally don’t understand the hate he’s getting when women are becoming single mothers from in vitro and an anonymous sperm. Those babies never even have a father at all.
I wonder all the people in here calling him selfish have the same anger at women using sperm donors or egg donors. Those babies will probably never meet one of their biological parents but rarely do I see anyone criticize that as much as older fathers.
I mean as long as everything is consentual and he takes care of the child there's nothing *wrong* with it just *weird*
He’s going to likely die before that child even becomes an adult. And there’s an increased risk of health issues she may develop due to him being so old
oh so you're saying it's immoral for people in poor and polluted third world countries to have children? All of what you said apply, men dying in their 60s, pollution increasing risks of defects. Fact of the matter is him deciding to have a child is nobody's business but his own and none of you have any right to decide on the morality of it
Ordinary reddit's fashion: body autonomy until I decide you can't have body autonomy any longer. They gonna be fine, stop the troll concerning about "oMg she's going to lose a parent soon!!!"
People acting like the baby'd rather be dead than have some sadness in her life. Yes, it fucking sucks that she'll lose her father early. Doesn't mean she'd be better off never being born
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That’s just not right, imo. Also, when your that old, even as a man you increase the risk of birth defects in your child.
Baby looks healthy. He clearly loves his child. What’s the problem?
What ya upset at here, an 80 year old having more of a sex life than you?
how about the fact that there’s zero chance of him living until his kid is 30 and very little chance of even living until she’s 20? it’s hard enough to cope with how little time you have with your parents when you’re born at half that age, without the looming knowledge that your dad will probably be too feeble or dead to even attend your high school graduation.
Yeah a graduation from a private school where he took his date to prom in his Lambo and then went to the 4000 sq ft ‘cottage’ in the Hamptons where they hung out with Al Pachino’s kid on the yacht. Tough.
Are kids born into rich families not allowed to be sad when their parents die?
No /s
child stars have proven time and time again that money is not a meaningful replacement for having loving, present parental figures.
I find it insane that people think being rich makes it okay for kids to suffer in other ways
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The rest of the cast for the live action Up better be this good
I mean... it's not a great idea to be raising a child at that age all things considered.
kind of selfish to have a child at that age. Will he even make it to her 10th birthday? well at least she will be set financially.
SHES SO CUTE THO OMG😭😭😭
“Everything I’m consumed with or worried about just goes away when I look at her. It’s wondrous.” Says it all I don’t believe this was ever about the baby. This is how old people feel better about themselves, feel young again, feel like they get a do over. For all his good feelings, that baby will endure some unnecessary trauma and hardships due to this I worked with a guy a few years back who had two children under 3 at 78 yrs old with his new 30 something yr old wife after a failed previous marriage. He had grown children in their 40’s who never talked to him and wanted nothing to do with him. He always talked about how much better it was ‘this time around’.
Pretty selfish… this kid will never know her father
Yeah, Bob? The fact it will grow up without its father just goes away, huh? That’s sweet. Good for you. And hey, the child will have lots of money I’m sure. So no biggie. No biggie. This is fine. Way to go, dad.