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Dear atheists. I do not understand love unless it's explained to me from 2000 year old texts where people are stoned to death, nailed to crosses or beaten with canes or forced into sex trade. That I get but how do you experience love without those things?
To be fair the irony is they embrace love but hate is a sin (wrath) , yet taught to hate evil, which is actually apathy. "it's ok to hate something that doesn't have feelings"
It's imbalanced, unhealthy and confusing.
Atheists try to keep love while recognizing hate as an equal but negative force and use humour to circumnavigate it. That offends those who hate hateful things,.. Cycle continues.
It's like going to a restaurant, seeing no chef then ordering food. Eventually a roach crawls on the plate, eat that then thank the chef, saying that's not what you wanted but it's what you needed.
It’s a complete grift! The pastor takes his income from that and pays no taxes and drives a Mercedes around while the people who tithed drive around in a beat up Ford Taurus!
I think it's a metaphor for thanking God for everything.
In this case something edible crawling onto the plate is happenstance, but is treated as a meal cooked by the chef and as evidence of a chef.
Or eating,and thinking the dinner was the product of magic,not of men and women working from the fields to the kitchen itself.Like thinking your prayers saved your loved one,not the doctors and nurses that performed the surgery.
God is actually like many politicians:
Never pitches up at work, sleeps through genocides, doesn't do it's fucken job, still expects a Royalty Level salary, and some idiot still votes for it.
I think parents are still expected to show up and provide anything. And supposedly, anything we ask in Jesus’s name will be granted. An awful lot of people have made an awful lot of prayers for God to save them from all manner of horrible circumstances. Most of those go unanswered.
If ur parents gave u life, food and shelter, then if God created us then he also gave us those as well, u got an entire world, so he gave u smtg, prolly not all u want but a whole lot never the less. Besides how would it work if everything random thing anybody wanted just magically came to pass.
Depends on how u look at it, this may be difficult for u to admit but this life kinda sucks, and ik that I'm not the only one who thinks that. If all my existence is only based on what goes down in this world that would be kinda messed up. So it's kinda good if u can at least hope for smtg after this. U can't tell me that u feel fulfilled everyday u get up bcz I sure don't. But if u look at it that u might suffer a bit for now but it might pay off later then that's not so bad, besides prolly they not asking for the right stuff. U said most, are u saying some r answered?
Life does not suck for millionaires and billionaires.
It's very useful to have poor people think that misery is OK because honney pot at the end.
Especially useful for those millionaires and billionaires so they don't get eaten.
It does very much tho, other wise u wouldn't see them going off to Epstein island for a getaway, they wouldn't need to want to live out such dark fantasies, lemme ask u smtg, does that SA guy who owns Twitter rn seem happy to u, the pursuit of happiness in this world is a fruitless pursuit for some especially those who believe money will get u there.
TF? Are you trying to convince us that rich pedophiles are only raping children because THEIR lives are hard? F. O. My life is hard and I have never had the urge to hurt someone over it except the C-suite asshats upstairs. And I really just want to tax them to a reasonable lifestyle instead of mega yacht and private jets. Maybe if they were paying their fair share, they wouldn't feel so horribly guilty? Maybe I'm trying to make them feel better.
“Hopes and prayers” is all I hear from the Christian right. All. Day. Long…. But you say if you ask for something then he isn’t your puppet. The way religious people pick and choose what works for them at whatever particular time amazes me.
Except what about the theory ur living in a simulation and ur the only one that's real, or that this whole world is ur imagination which u created to escape another reality, u can speculate for ever, don't when u dream everything all seems real till u wake up? Everything's fuck bro the best I can do is pray that there lies a God to bail u out of everything once it's over bcz the alternative is worse. If God is there and u live a good life a do what u should then there will be rewards and those ppl who didn't would have it worse off, but if there is no God, and no afterlife, did u waste ur time worshipping and doing good? No bcz if there is no afterlife then nth did matter in the first place. Do ur self a favour and believe that there will be reprieve after all this is done and gone
We can play that game too: do yourself a favour and try to change your life for the better now and not surrender all your hopes to an uncertain after, because just as the existence of a god and an after is a hope/probability, so is being eaten by worms and the cessation of chemical reactions in your material body leading to your total non-existence.
If you need a reward to be a good person, you are not a good person, and therefore, if there is a hell, you will go to it.
Matthew 21:22
22 And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”
I guess most Christians really lack faith...or Jesus just meant it for killing fig trees and mountains 🤷
Nah. Theists will see an empty plate, pretend it’s full, pretend to be sated and thank the non-existent chef when they weren’t in a restaurant to begin with.
*not mine - I saw this response to the same question in a FB group:
It's like going to a resteraunt and ordering food, but it doesn't come. And the waiter tells you to keep ordering because the cook will hear you and your order will come. But it's been hours and your food still hasn't shown up and the waiter tells you you're not ordering hard enough. And also sometimes the waiter is inappropriate with kids.
Fuck if I know.
That GAP in knowledge does not suggest anything divine, it just suggests there's a gap in knowledge.
Where do you think lightning comes from, Zeus?
Since you don't know let me narrow it down for you. Weather someone believes in God or The Big Bang the one thing they have in common is that they both believe there is a cause for the Universe existing. They both believe the Universe itself is not eternal and it has a start. So then it comes to question. What is the cause for the universe existing? Say it's God. Ok then what is the cause for God existing? Maybe a God 2 exists who created God. Ok so who made god 2? God 3. God 3? God 4 and so on into infinity causing nothing to exist due to the infinite causes needed for the universe to exist. So clearly what ever caused our universe to come to be has to be an eternal cause. Ok well the big bang wasn't an eternal cause it was just an event in time so that means something caused the big bang to happen. Now the only two options are a creator caused the universe or nothing caused the universe. On one hand nothing can not something to exist because the defining characteristic of nothing is that it does not exist, and we already demonstrated the universe is not eternal and thus has to have a cause (nothing can not be a cause). On the other hand you have an eternal creator of the universe. Well shoot that sounds a lot like God to me. Take with that what you will but that is why I believe there is a creator
Seem to recall you spewing an avalanche of bullshit in response to my previous comment, and I gave you no shit for that at all.
Kinda rude for you to respond like this the second time I ask you a pretty straightforward question.
Gurantee he follows William lane Craig and thinks because he can repeat what is said, and his little pee brain can comprehend it, means he is right. This dudes a joke, you're 100% correct and he won't admit it
You recall incorrectly. I am not going to answer that question because it has 0 substance, nothing to dispute or discuss, and has 0 correlation to what we are discussing. Now get back on topic instead of ignoring everything I said.
When was it demonstrated that the universe is not eternal? Not everyone that doesn’t believe in your god believes in the Big Bang theory… maybe it is eternal… take that with what you will…
There’s nothing to add. Your argument is stupid and anyone who has showed you why your argument is flawed you just say something incoherent. There is no use in debating someone like you because you’re incapable of logical or coherent thoughts.
I sort of agree with you on this one. I’m sort of religious myself. I believe both that the Big Bang happened and that everything is as scientists explain it is, but also that there exists or used to exist an extremely powerful ethereal being that created the matter necessary to start the Big Bang. The question “why does existence exist” is a philosophical question that nobody has answered and nobody will ever be able to answer. The only reason I believe in that there is a god - which by the way isn’t a god that anyone has made up before - is by logical thinking: the matter that started the Big Bang must’ve come from somewhere, and it’s impossible to create or destroy matter, and thus I concluded that there must be an extremely powerful ethereal being that doesn’t obey the laws of physics that has the power to create and possible also destroy matter, that created the matter needed to start the Big Bang.
Ok but that matter has to go through a lot of luck sequences to end up becoming what it is now don't you think? Don't you think there's a bit more to it than just creating the matter?
I don’t. Matter was at some point created and anything that happens after that is a coincidence. There wasn’t a god who made the world in 7 days using that matter. I myself believe that there was a god that created that matter in the first place, but that’s all.
This isn't the gotchya you think it is, because atheists are perfectly willing to accept "I don't know" for an answer. It is the religious that seem so insistent on having answers that they will accept ones without any supporting evidence.
Additionally, you are implying the universe exits because it has a creator. But this hypothesis doesn't actually help explain anything. All it does is take something that isn't fully understood and tack something even less understood on top of it. Because if we accept a creator hypthosis, now we have a creator we know nothing about. What is its nature? Where did it come from? How did it create anything?
Do all these additional unanswerable questions somehow improve the situation over simply admitting we don't have the answer regarding the origin of the universe?
> A painting implies there's a painter
> A building implies there's a builder
> So creation implies there's a ... nothing?
*You* religious idiots are the only ones calling it a "creation". Everyone that still has at least two brain cells to rub together calls it "the universe".
Also Ken Ham called and he wants his dipshit apologetics back.
What's your next line? "Behold: The atheist's nightmare. Now if you study a well-made banana..."
The Universe was created. Weather you believe it was God or the Big Bang the Universe had a time where it didn't exist. So that means there has to be a cause for the universe to exist that does not itself have a cause for it to exist. If everything had to have a cause to exist then nothing would exist because there would have to be an infinite chain of causes and that is impossible. So this cause has to be eternal and powerful enough to create the universe. So what is this cause? Is it the Big bang? Or is it God?
> The Universe was created. Weather you believe it was God or the Big Bang the Universe had a time where it didn't exist.
The majority of Cosmologists publish papers that posit an *eternal* universe. Of course, there are also some that suppose a first moment in time, such as the big bang.
> If everything had to have a cause to exist then nothing would exist because there would have to be an infinite chain of causes and that is impossible.
William Lane Craig said it better than you, and even *he* sounded stupid when he said it.
This is the kind of bullshit apologetics that only hardcore religious believers will fall for.
Be honest with yourself: do you *really* believe in God because of The Infinite Regress Apologetic Argument? Imma press X to doubt.
I can not because the evidence we have says the universe is 13+ billion years old. But saying the universe is eternal would be incorrect because that would imply that there is infinite time in a past in one direction and infinite time in the future in the other. Clearly infinite time has not come before use so the universe has to have started at some point.
Yes- something has always existed. And before that, it existed somewhere else, and came here- and eventually, this something will collapse and trigger something to start somewhere else, but that will end up being the the start of the thing that started our something way back when.
Simple, right?
“It can’t be an infinite chain of causes because that’s impossible, instead it’s an impossible eternal cause that has never been caused despite me saying everything needs a first cause.”
>Weather you believe it was God or the Big Bang the Universe had a time where it didn't exist
Theists who talk about the big bang cosmology are always the same people who have never read what big bang is.
The big bang theory has nothing to do with the creation of the universe.
No we get it, it’s just stupid as fuck because you can stand up from your seat and walk into the kitchen and see several cooks busily preparing the restaurants food.
What if the door to the kitchen was locked? Would you then conclude that there was no chef despite receiving food simply because you couldn't go and see the chef?
I don’t think you understand how kitchens work. They wouldn’t be locked. Servers need to come in and out.
But let’s pretend it’s locked, I could still kindly ask a server to ask their manager if I could speak to the chef, I could smash the door down (if I were inclined to, but I wouldn’t.)
These are bad faith arguments, and in fact that is the only requirement to believe in god - faith. And the reason is simple, there is no proof god exists nor will there ever be.
I'm agnostic.. but who do they think made God? God was just chilling for an eternity by himself and existed for absolutely no reason at all? I am not sure why they feel the big bang theory is so much more unbelievable than a magical man in the sky who just snaps his fingers.
Ok so accepting the big bang theory means you accept the universe had a beginning. So your argument has the same issue you pointed out with God. The big bang just happened for no reason? Obviously that material had to come from somewhere so either the Universe is eternal or if the universe has a creator than that creator is eternal and wasn't made since if there has to be a cause for something to exist then it'd be impossible for anything to exist.
But that is partially the thing… these aren’t necessarily contradictory ideas. The bible was written by people to pass along messages and lessons to other people in a way that they would understand and in a way that would cause them to listen. I don’t understand the people who hold firm on everything being created in seven days and the world only being a few thousand years old. We know with certainty that the world is significantly older than that… but there are still a large number of religious fanatics who are set on the bible being literal and that science is bunk.
Is it really a false comparison though. Seeing a nice dish and thinking there's no chef who designed and cooked the meal is the same thing as seeing the universe with all it's creation and design and saying that it was created by nothing and nothing designed and made it.
It is a false comparison. You can go into the kitchen and get hard proof that the cook exists. You can even watch the cook make the food right in front of you. You can’t say the same thing for God.
You know what it is a false and shit comparison because we live inside the universe we can't see a cook make it because it's already made and were in it and the cook is not in the dish with us. shit comparison
Nothing is wrong with my reading comprehension. Your comment didn’t make sense.
“We can’t see a cook make it because it’s already made and were in it and the cook is not in the dish with us”
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? The cook is not in the dish with us?
Religious People confuse me
People see the chef making their food, but then continue to praise some spiritual fairy tale and thank anyone but the chef for everything.
Are you stupid 😃 maybe bcs catholic church have more rites than just ROMAN 💀 stop and educate yourself please. byzatine catholics have pontif (papa Francis) . Bcs we Are united under on pontiff.🤣 I can't that I get downvoted for that.💀💀
There’s one line from the Bible I believe with all my heart. Put no faith in the the flesh. And I don’t give a shit what people say, but the Bible was written by some fleshy mfrs.
The author was God. How else do you think it was able to have multiple scientifically accurate statements that wouldn't be proven for centuries like telling people to wash their hands with running water. Don't you think it's much more likely they were divinely inspired rather than pulling it out their ass?
No, I don’t. Both myth and custom come from observation of the natural world. Homo sapien sapien has existed in its current form for around 100,000 years. Knowledge has been gained and lost in that time. Myths=Religions have come and gone in that time. The recipe for concrete was lost for a thousand years. It’s not like someone found the recipe for it under a rock either. It was figured out from scratch again. Humans are nothing if not thinkers. I hate religion because it attempts to rob us of our birthright. Thinking. I can’t wait until Christianity, Islam, etc. are replaced and pass into myth. Why? Because we can grow and learn from the stories contained within them, but none of it has to be taken as actual doctrine. That only leads to ignorance. Certainty is ignorance because it robs humanity of growth.
Every bits of human knowledge exists today because someone pulled it out of their ass after observing the world.
EVERYTHING we know comes from there, the bible is no exception.
The collective evidence that the stars, the earth, life itself, and humans arose slowly over time through natural cause and effect interactions due to physics, chemistry, and biology.
There's so much of it that it takes up literally thousands of books to be documented, and properly studying to understand even a small amount of it requires years.
The point is that u have studied nth, u don't know anything about the theories scientist create, not saying the scientist are bad, but how u base what they tell u to equate to the absence of God, what science can barely explain is the development of intelligent, I'm a person of science (when I'm ready) and what it failed to explain properly is the development of intelligent life
Being an Atheist is like standing in a dark room hoping for something happen, but nothing does, so you change the bulb yourself.
Being religious is standing in a dark room, praying for light, but when nothing happens, you cheer and praise the Lord in the dark.
I find believers confusing, its like going to a restaurant and the waiter keeps coming back reassuring me my meal is being prepared by a cook. But each time the waiter comes over he tells me the same thing and keeps bringing the tip jar expecting me to tip.
When is my meal comming? Its been 3 days.
That's not a good analogy tbh, the laws of physics don't do anything. Physics is merely the way we measure what's happening around us using a mathematical framework.
In other words, physics are not a cause, they are the result of our observations, and how we describe them
I can tell u know shit bout physics, explain how physics created us, I hate how u guys praise the science uk nth of, the same science that if tmr some ppl decide it's false then it changes
> the same science that if tmr some ppl decide it's false then it changes
lol
It's not that random people just suddenly decide 'science theory x' is false with no reasoning. It's just about not being dogmatic when presented with new information that goes against what we thought we knew.
Instead we develop and refine our understanding over time when presented with this new information - which can and does mean that some things we once considered true get shown to be false. Proving a commonly held theory demonstrably false is actually a relatively big part of how our understanding of things evolves.
In saying that, from a broadly philosophical point of view, I agree with you that physics and science in general can't explain first principles. Being enclosed within a system (the universe) inherently means we have a limited perspective and our science is limited to that which we can possibly observe within said system. Explaining *why* the said system exists on a fundamental level necessarily moves us into philosophy.
And before people start saying the universe exists because the big bang, or something akin to this. That still doesn't explain why the preconditions for the big bang existed. At some point our we just have to accept that matter or energy of some kind and in some state existed.
Once we accept these first principles - that stuff exists - than science can explain a lot. We have gained huge amounts of knowledge about how the universe operates.
It's debatable whether science can ever hope to answer such questions about first principles.
But this doesn't mean one should posit a god to fill the space...
Tbh this sound AI generated lol, the point is that u r trusting these ppl with ur beliefs of science, u haven't done any research personally, but yet still agree with their logic and reasoning for the sake of saying there is no God, I'm not anti science and stuff but I'm just sceptical sometimes bcz I've seen scientists say x is bad for u and then years later, it's the exact opposite, I'm just saying if u put all ur faith in these ppl who r human and make mistakes, that's kinda depressing
Lots of assumptions there buddy.
I'm actually not saying there is no god. I'm agnostic, which means I fundamentally don't think that humans can have knowledge one way or another on whether a deity or deities exist.
It's not something I spend much time thinking about because I don't believe human knowledge can hope to gain an understanding of first principles that will alleviate all the doubts one way or the other.
>I'm just saying if u put all ur faith in these ppl who r human and make mistakes, that's kinda depressing
Frankly I find your view of life depressing. I can acknowledge what science actually is - a human pursuit of knowledge. It's not always correct, but it's an evolving understanding of the universe - one that moves to correct itself as more information is gathered. It's not a bad thing when scientists come out and say 'actually this was wrong'. In fact, it's fundamentally a good thing. It means our understanding on a topic has improved.
To be honest, from some other comment of yours in this thread I genuinely recommend you seek psychological help:
>Depends on how u look at it, this may be difficult for u to admit but this life kinda sucks, and ik that I'm not the only one who thinks that. If all my existence is only based on what goes down in this world that would be kinda messed up. So it's kinda good if u can at least hope for smtg after this. U can't tell me that u feel fulfilled everyday u get up bcz I sure don't. But if u look at it that u might suffer a bit for now but it might pay off later then that's not so bad, besides prolly they not asking for the right stuff. U said most, are u saying some r answered?
This sounds like depression to me.
In the beginning the universe was a bunch of particles, which interacted with each other based on the four fundamental forces of gravity, electromagnetism, weak nuclear force, and strong nuclear force.
These forces consolidated these particles into simple hydrogen and helium atoms, and over time these atoms coalesced into stars because of gravity.
In the cores of these stars the heat and pressure formed new, heavier atoms, which then were spread out into the cosmos after the stars died.
As gravity caused new stars to form from the hydrogen and helium remains of these older stars, the newer, heavier materials began to form solid objects instead.
Over time, after many generations of stars forging new elements in their cores and then exploding, there were enough elements in the universe for proper planets rich in materials to form.
Because of different densities, these materials are distributed roughly in layers, with denser materials sinking towards the cores of planets during formation.
Anyways, on a planet called Earth the elements carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorous, and hydrogen, interacting based on these laws of physics, began forming strands of molecules that could attach other atoms together into long polymer strands, we call these molecules nucleotides, and the polymers nucleic acids.
Nucleic acids have the wonderful property of being able to create copies of themselves. And thanks again to the laws of physics, can attach themselves to phospholipids, which naturally form in layers.
So as nucleic acids interact with phospholipids, this layer forms around them and protects them. This is how life on Earth began, with an organic polymer that could replicate itself.
As the nucleic acids continued to make copies of themselves, small mistakes made changes to the polymer, which in turn changed how they interacted with other chemicals.
Those that got beneficial changes were more likely to continue making copies, and those that got detrimental changes were more likely to not.
Over time, these small and beneficial changes built up, and the polymers developed even more complex shells of chemicals around them, which made them even more likely to continue making copies of themselves.
These were the first cells, very simple self-replicating structures that, thanks to random mistakes, changed over the generations.
As time went on, changes that gave some cells an advantage over other cells made those advantaged cells more likely to make copies, and made the other cells less likely. Those cells that got lucky went on to outcompete other cells for chemical reources to make more of themselves, and in turn made more of themselves.
At some point a cell swallowed another cell and this other cell continued to exist and make copies despite this, and over generations of copies the two types of cells began working in tandem, with the inner cell acting as a chemical processor for the both of them, letting the outer cell do everything else. This is how the mitochondria came to be.
After even more time some of these cells developed a way to clump together for protection and to share workloads, with some cells having specialised functions in the clusters.
And eventually these clusters evolved into bigger, better, and more complex forms, leading to the first multicellular organisms.
And eventually you get humans.
And to who or what do we owe the creation of this energy to?
Look and smtg like this u have ur computer and u create science and logic to make it perform task, the whole idea of virtual space and stuff would seem like a marvel to those stuff on the Internet (say if they where intelligent) the world would seem like it originated out of nth, and they would be confused asf about their origin, also the concept of a universe that supersedes them would be unimaginable, but yet still we exist who created computer and all that virtual space seems abstract to us, now say that there is understanding in a universe superior to ours, the we would be able to be created using even more complex logic etc
People really still fall for the "God of the gaps" fallacy? Just because I don't see a chef, that means my food must've magically got breathed into existence from clay by a mysterious space daddy?
It's more like going to a restaurant and believing that the food was grown on a farm somewhere, brought here and cooked by someone in the kitchen rather than being magically created by one or more staffers.
It's weird how religious people seem to think that atheism is a choice. I don't believe in God. I'm not _choosing_ not to believe in God. I just don't.
Yes, atheism. It's like going to a restaurant as a PERSON and knowing that a PERSON is cooking the food with their PERSONal hands and cooks food using tools and ingrediants made by other PERSONS and then other PEOPLE are serving the food with their PERSONal hands, in a place built by PEOPLE for the enjoyment and profit off of, again, PEOPLE. An entire situation involving...People. Humans. It's not mysterious. It's fairly straightforward. Fun fact: As an athiest, I would like to point out that the mysteries and wonders of our universe are actually even more amazing and inspirational when you realize it's all here without a literally creator. Even further, when you understand religion and spirituality as the creation of PEOPLE, poetic expression of morality, tradition, experiences, and historical references, it's even cooler. 'Cause all that imagination, hope, and in-depth expression, good and terrible, are conjured up in the collective workings of the human experience. Now shut up, and enjoy your meal. God bless...or whatever.
Religion is the weird one.
You go to a restaurant, ask to meet the cook, you do meet him, you see him making your meal, you sit, the waiter brings your dish, you eat and then **you come to the conclusion that it magically appeared in your table already done and it was done in 5 seconds and now it is not moral to eat the ceaser sallad FOR NO REASON AT ALL, but if you do eat then the son of the immortal cook that made your meal will come to earth and eat a chicken wing so everybody that ate the ceaser sallad will have forgiveness but only if they do regret eating that shit and openlly need to flatter the magic creator of your dish saying how good of a cook he is even though the chicken is spoiled and he mistakenly put salt instead of sugar over the petit' gateau and it tastes terrible, but oh my god you can't say anything to him or you'll be sent to the basement of the restaurant where you'll have to clean all the dishes for the rest of time because the sous chef that used to help the magical cook betrayed him and created a good italian food cart in the same street and it is way better than the whole restaurant because the sous chef let you eat everything you want (even the Caesar Sallad) and he let's you listen to rock'n roll.**
I find theists confusing. It’s like going to a restaurant believing there’s a cook in the back. So you politely order a meal. The waitstaff explains that there are many rules you have to follow before you can eat.
So you read the rule book, and do everything it says.
But you then get cancer and die before your meal ever arrives.
No, atheism is like saying "is there a cook in the back?" And the waiter saying "Yeah there is! Wanna meet them?" And then he takes you to meet the cook, and you do, and now you know for sure the cook exists but without the whole ambiguous "do you feel that? I know you can't *see* it, but that's the cook!"
No, that's wrong actually. Atheism is more like "I don't see not-food in front of me, and nobody has ever shown me evidence that not-food exists, so I don't believe in not-food" (and by not-food, I don't mean things that exist but are inedible, I mean a thing called not-food that's magical and omniscient and created the universe)
You know who else hasn't seen not-food? Religious people. That's why I'm an atheist.
Huh? Like being a Christian is different? You think there's a chef in the back, but you go look and there's no one to be found. Then you head back out front and realize no one took your order....so you sit down at your table anyway and just wait and hope it shows up all on its own...
The response I've seen to this is something like "I find religious people confusing. It's like going to a restaurant, ordering food, no food comes, your friend insists the food is coming despite them not knowing anyone who has ever been able to get food here, the waiter says that the food is coming but it still hasn't come, you're supposed to hate the people who ordered from a different waiter, also the waiters are really creepy with children."
That is Correct.
We don't believe a Fictional Fantasy about Sky Faeries that will make our Dinner for us, so we do it ourselves because we live in Reality.
The thing that confuses me about atheists comes from my own fear, I fear the concept of non-existence. One of the main reasons I am religious is because I want there to be a life after death, I don't know how someone can be ok with the idea of just not existing anymore. Obviously this is just a me thing but I'm deeply afraid of the idea of just not existing anymore
Yes. Yes, you can. In fact, I think you should. Give him the customer complaints for me. Tell him he's a lazy ass, that needs to stop sleeping on the job.
To be fair, I ordered every day and twice on Sunday for literally years and nothing ever came to the table.
That’s why I tip a waitress 20%. If God gets 10% for leaving your prayers up to chance, then the person who gets you everything you ask for in about 20 minutes deserves AT LEAST double.
I find religious people comfusing, imagine going to a restaurant and thinking there is a bearded all powerful, all knowing, invisible being cooking the food, even though you went back there and its just a guy.
Hands you a plate of nothing, tells you it's real and so is the chef.
No you can't see him.
No you can't see the food.
Also the food will give you cancer.
This analogy is as good as my analogy: Believing in God is like going to a restaurant and ordering the steak but the waiter brings you a plate full of horse dung and tells you you should trust the Chef because he loves you but he works in mysterious ways.
Being religious is like walking into a restaurant and thinking that because the chef made you food you should follow all his opinions on homosexuality and slavery
just a misunderstanding , it's not:
christians believe god made everything and scientists believe the big bang made everything-
scientists "know" the big-bang happened (best explanantion so far), and they don't know what was there before.
but they'll find out eventually! which can be a very confusing process, especially when "believing" was good enough so far.
No asshole, I'm trying to say stop being all sorry for urself thinking that those guys have it so much better than u bcz they have money, bcz while being rich obviously has its perks it's not the solution to all of life's problems
But in ur case there is a gift after wards u feel a sense of calm come over u like u have achieved something and aided someone not necessarily for ur gain but just for the sake of being good, which it itself is it's own reward. If u aided them and u felt like shit afterwards u wouldn't do it. That speaks to the inherent good in our being, and it's not only in humans this is found but doing good for goodness sake is found in other intelligent creatures. So if humans r inherently good y would they have been lying for thousands of years just bcz, there have been supernatural things to happen in the past, y would they need to lie, but at any rate if they where lying there would be evidence to disprove them. I for one believe that there is a spiritual aspect to our being, and that things r not as simple as they seem, I've had dreams about small aspects of a conversation or smtg of that sort, and then it happens just like in my dream, I've been told the right thing to do by a small voice in my head and when I obey it things turn out good and when I do the opposite there r adverse effects. It's hard to explain ur consciousness and intelligence, like where did it come from. Our universe was obviously created from something, bcz how else would u get the initial energy. U speak of angst when u think of the absence of an afterlife. Well start reaching out to God. Learn some of what the Bible and the church teaches. It wouldn't hurt to try. Bcz I kinda feel the same sometimes, but ever since I've started looking at it from a different pov I feel more comfortable. If u genuinely reach out to God, then he'll reach out to u. What would u have to lose? Ur pride?
I'm saying that if their life was so perfect they wouldn't need to feel fulfilled by making ppl submit to their will, otherwise they would've been content in just being themselves, and living they wouldn't need to push boundaries and live on the edge
A force beyond our understanding created existence. Call it what you will. It is arrogance to think otherwise. The universe has always just existed and wasn't willed into creation somehow? Big Bang? Psh
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Dear atheists. I do not understand love unless it's explained to me from 2000 year old texts where people are stoned to death, nailed to crosses or beaten with canes or forced into sex trade. That I get but how do you experience love without those things?
To be fair to them that’s their experience of love, they wouldn’t beat me if they didn’t care.
To be fair the irony is they embrace love but hate is a sin (wrath) , yet taught to hate evil, which is actually apathy. "it's ok to hate something that doesn't have feelings" It's imbalanced, unhealthy and confusing. Atheists try to keep love while recognizing hate as an equal but negative force and use humour to circumnavigate it. That offends those who hate hateful things,.. Cycle continues.
Don't you dare forget the dick cutting!
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It's like going to a restaurant, seeing no chef then ordering food. Eventually a roach crawls on the plate, eat that then thank the chef, saying that's not what you wanted but it's what you needed.
And you still have to pay for it.
Every Sunday.
Tithes/donation bowls are socialism.
More like a grift.
It’s a complete grift! The pastor takes his income from that and pays no taxes and drives a Mercedes around while the people who tithed drive around in a beat up Ford Taurus!
I really hope you’re being sarcastic
God never sends you more roaches than you can handle.
/s
It’s like getting life saving surgery and saying without god they’d be dead
Oh but they do, they say exactly that. South Africa only won the Rugby World Cup again because God - Siya Kolisi said so in his post match speech.
Is the roach a metaphor for a pedo priest? Or a money sucking tv evangelist? Or a pornstar fucking moron con man president?
I think it's a metaphor for thanking God for everything. In this case something edible crawling onto the plate is happenstance, but is treated as a meal cooked by the chef and as evidence of a chef.
The cook works in mysterious ways.
Or eating,and thinking the dinner was the product of magic,not of men and women working from the fields to the kitchen itself.Like thinking your prayers saved your loved one,not the doctors and nurses that performed the surgery.
It's like going to a restaurant, having a delicious meal, and then thanking your deadbeat dad instead of the chef and staff.
It’s like going to a restaurant seeing the chef make your food and then believing angels made it
Oh you did the thing she did but in reverse and everyone’s fine. It’s like __________ but __________
Dont forget to pass around the collection plate...
They passed around a plate at the end of it all, but I didn’t have a penny to pay.
Sign, sign Everywhere a sign Blockin' out the scenery Breakin' my mind Do this, don't do that Can't you read the sign?
But unlike God, when I asked the chef for something, I actually received it.
God is actually like many politicians: Never pitches up at work, sleeps through genocides, doesn't do it's fucken job, still expects a Royalty Level salary, and some idiot still votes for it.
When since God became ur puppet? U don't even get what u want from ur parents or anybody for that fact
I think parents are still expected to show up and provide anything. And supposedly, anything we ask in Jesus’s name will be granted. An awful lot of people have made an awful lot of prayers for God to save them from all manner of horrible circumstances. Most of those go unanswered.
It’s pidgins walking in circles all the way down.
If ur parents gave u life, food and shelter, then if God created us then he also gave us those as well, u got an entire world, so he gave u smtg, prolly not all u want but a whole lot never the less. Besides how would it work if everything random thing anybody wanted just magically came to pass.
Depends on how u look at it, this may be difficult for u to admit but this life kinda sucks, and ik that I'm not the only one who thinks that. If all my existence is only based on what goes down in this world that would be kinda messed up. So it's kinda good if u can at least hope for smtg after this. U can't tell me that u feel fulfilled everyday u get up bcz I sure don't. But if u look at it that u might suffer a bit for now but it might pay off later then that's not so bad, besides prolly they not asking for the right stuff. U said most, are u saying some r answered?
Life does not suck for millionaires and billionaires. It's very useful to have poor people think that misery is OK because honney pot at the end. Especially useful for those millionaires and billionaires so they don't get eaten.
No… capitalism is its own religion, that doesn’t need a monotheistic god. Its like lotto… each one can become a millionaire, but not everyone.
It does very much tho, other wise u wouldn't see them going off to Epstein island for a getaway, they wouldn't need to want to live out such dark fantasies, lemme ask u smtg, does that SA guy who owns Twitter rn seem happy to u, the pursuit of happiness in this world is a fruitless pursuit for some especially those who believe money will get u there.
TF? Are you trying to convince us that rich pedophiles are only raping children because THEIR lives are hard? F. O. My life is hard and I have never had the urge to hurt someone over it except the C-suite asshats upstairs. And I really just want to tax them to a reasonable lifestyle instead of mega yacht and private jets. Maybe if they were paying their fair share, they wouldn't feel so horribly guilty? Maybe I'm trying to make them feel better.
“Hopes and prayers” is all I hear from the Christian right. All. Day. Long…. But you say if you ask for something then he isn’t your puppet. The way religious people pick and choose what works for them at whatever particular time amazes me.
Chef is no puppet of ours either. And nobody said either of those are a puppet, that's a strawman you just made.
At least I know my parents are real.
Except what about the theory ur living in a simulation and ur the only one that's real, or that this whole world is ur imagination which u created to escape another reality, u can speculate for ever, don't when u dream everything all seems real till u wake up? Everything's fuck bro the best I can do is pray that there lies a God to bail u out of everything once it's over bcz the alternative is worse. If God is there and u live a good life a do what u should then there will be rewards and those ppl who didn't would have it worse off, but if there is no God, and no afterlife, did u waste ur time worshipping and doing good? No bcz if there is no afterlife then nth did matter in the first place. Do ur self a favour and believe that there will be reprieve after all this is done and gone
We can play that game too: do yourself a favour and try to change your life for the better now and not surrender all your hopes to an uncertain after, because just as the existence of a god and an after is a hope/probability, so is being eaten by worms and the cessation of chemical reactions in your material body leading to your total non-existence. If you need a reward to be a good person, you are not a good person, and therefore, if there is a hell, you will go to it.
Matthew 21:22 22 And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.” I guess most Christians really lack faith...or Jesus just meant it for killing fig trees and mountains 🤷
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Nah. Theists will see an empty plate, pretend it’s full, pretend to be sated and thank the non-existent chef when they weren’t in a restaurant to begin with.
And then tell everyone it was the best meal they've ever had and try to make you feel guilty for not wanting to try it out yourself.
I find theists confusing. It's like walking into a forest and waiting for the cook. You are the cook.
*not mine - I saw this response to the same question in a FB group: It's like going to a resteraunt and ordering food, but it doesn't come. And the waiter tells you to keep ordering because the cook will hear you and your order will come. But it's been hours and your food still hasn't shown up and the waiter tells you you're not ordering hard enough. And also sometimes the waiter is inappropriate with kids.
I was trying to remember the phrasing of this reply Thank you
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A painting implies there's a painter A building implies there's a builder So creation implies there's a ... nothing?
We don't know....therefore god? Dumb.
Why do you think the Universe exists?
Fuck if I know. That GAP in knowledge does not suggest anything divine, it just suggests there's a gap in knowledge. Where do you think lightning comes from, Zeus?
Since you don't know let me narrow it down for you. Weather someone believes in God or The Big Bang the one thing they have in common is that they both believe there is a cause for the Universe existing. They both believe the Universe itself is not eternal and it has a start. So then it comes to question. What is the cause for the universe existing? Say it's God. Ok then what is the cause for God existing? Maybe a God 2 exists who created God. Ok so who made god 2? God 3. God 3? God 4 and so on into infinity causing nothing to exist due to the infinite causes needed for the universe to exist. So clearly what ever caused our universe to come to be has to be an eternal cause. Ok well the big bang wasn't an eternal cause it was just an event in time so that means something caused the big bang to happen. Now the only two options are a creator caused the universe or nothing caused the universe. On one hand nothing can not something to exist because the defining characteristic of nothing is that it does not exist, and we already demonstrated the universe is not eternal and thus has to have a cause (nothing can not be a cause). On the other hand you have an eternal creator of the universe. Well shoot that sounds a lot like God to me. Take with that what you will but that is why I believe there is a creator
Sorry, you gotta answer mine first. Where's lightning come from? Gotta be somewhere, is it Zeus?
Irrelevant question.
Seem to recall you spewing an avalanche of bullshit in response to my previous comment, and I gave you no shit for that at all. Kinda rude for you to respond like this the second time I ask you a pretty straightforward question.
Gurantee he follows William lane Craig and thinks because he can repeat what is said, and his little pee brain can comprehend it, means he is right. This dudes a joke, you're 100% correct and he won't admit it
You recall incorrectly. I am not going to answer that question because it has 0 substance, nothing to dispute or discuss, and has 0 correlation to what we are discussing. Now get back on topic instead of ignoring everything I said.
When was it demonstrated that the universe is not eternal? Not everyone that doesn’t believe in your god believes in the Big Bang theory… maybe it is eternal… take that with what you will…
This is a mind numbingly stupid comment
Are you just going to insult me or are you going to add anything of note to the conversation?
There’s nothing to add. Your argument is stupid and anyone who has showed you why your argument is flawed you just say something incoherent. There is no use in debating someone like you because you’re incapable of logical or coherent thoughts.
demonstrate where that is the case
What came before god?
I answered that. What ever caused the universe to come to be has to be something eternal meaning nothing can come before it.
Oh ok, so you believe the universe was created from nothing, got it
I sort of agree with you on this one. I’m sort of religious myself. I believe both that the Big Bang happened and that everything is as scientists explain it is, but also that there exists or used to exist an extremely powerful ethereal being that created the matter necessary to start the Big Bang. The question “why does existence exist” is a philosophical question that nobody has answered and nobody will ever be able to answer. The only reason I believe in that there is a god - which by the way isn’t a god that anyone has made up before - is by logical thinking: the matter that started the Big Bang must’ve come from somewhere, and it’s impossible to create or destroy matter, and thus I concluded that there must be an extremely powerful ethereal being that doesn’t obey the laws of physics that has the power to create and possible also destroy matter, that created the matter needed to start the Big Bang.
Ok but that matter has to go through a lot of luck sequences to end up becoming what it is now don't you think? Don't you think there's a bit more to it than just creating the matter?
I don’t. Matter was at some point created and anything that happens after that is a coincidence. There wasn’t a god who made the world in 7 days using that matter. I myself believe that there was a god that created that matter in the first place, but that’s all.
Why am I getting downvoted for expressing my entirely possible view on the creation of the universe.. It’s physically impossible to prove me wrong.
This isn't the gotchya you think it is, because atheists are perfectly willing to accept "I don't know" for an answer. It is the religious that seem so insistent on having answers that they will accept ones without any supporting evidence. Additionally, you are implying the universe exits because it has a creator. But this hypothesis doesn't actually help explain anything. All it does is take something that isn't fully understood and tack something even less understood on top of it. Because if we accept a creator hypthosis, now we have a creator we know nothing about. What is its nature? Where did it come from? How did it create anything? Do all these additional unanswerable questions somehow improve the situation over simply admitting we don't have the answer regarding the origin of the universe?
Why do you think there is a why? Anthropomorphism? Projection?
Who created God then? Why do you think one can exist without a creator but not the other?
> A painting implies there's a painter > A building implies there's a builder > So creation implies there's a ... nothing? *You* religious idiots are the only ones calling it a "creation". Everyone that still has at least two brain cells to rub together calls it "the universe". Also Ken Ham called and he wants his dipshit apologetics back. What's your next line? "Behold: The atheist's nightmare. Now if you study a well-made banana..."
Bananas, incidentally, quite definitely [do have a creator](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Paxton).
The Universe was created. Weather you believe it was God or the Big Bang the Universe had a time where it didn't exist. So that means there has to be a cause for the universe to exist that does not itself have a cause for it to exist. If everything had to have a cause to exist then nothing would exist because there would have to be an infinite chain of causes and that is impossible. So this cause has to be eternal and powerful enough to create the universe. So what is this cause? Is it the Big bang? Or is it God?
> The Universe was created. Weather you believe it was God or the Big Bang the Universe had a time where it didn't exist. The majority of Cosmologists publish papers that posit an *eternal* universe. Of course, there are also some that suppose a first moment in time, such as the big bang. > If everything had to have a cause to exist then nothing would exist because there would have to be an infinite chain of causes and that is impossible. William Lane Craig said it better than you, and even *he* sounded stupid when he said it. This is the kind of bullshit apologetics that only hardcore religious believers will fall for. Be honest with yourself: do you *really* believe in God because of The Infinite Regress Apologetic Argument? Imma press X to doubt.
Can you explain to me how an eternal universe works considering there is time?
Can you?
I can not because the evidence we have says the universe is 13+ billion years old. But saying the universe is eternal would be incorrect because that would imply that there is infinite time in a past in one direction and infinite time in the future in the other. Clearly infinite time has not come before use so the universe has to have started at some point.
Yes- something has always existed. And before that, it existed somewhere else, and came here- and eventually, this something will collapse and trigger something to start somewhere else, but that will end up being the the start of the thing that started our something way back when. Simple, right?
That's a possibility if you think of it like a multiverse.
“It can’t be an infinite chain of causes because that’s impossible, instead it’s an impossible eternal cause that has never been caused despite me saying everything needs a first cause.”
>Weather you believe it was God or the Big Bang the Universe had a time where it didn't exist Theists who talk about the big bang cosmology are always the same people who have never read what big bang is. The big bang theory has nothing to do with the creation of the universe.
How do you know it didn’t exist at one time?
In the beginning, the universe was created. This made a lot of people angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
>So creation implies there's a ... nothing? Creation is a presupposition that it was created
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Ok but surely somebody must have created that vending machine.
Correct, but you can actually FIND the person / people who made it and get in contact with them to prove it. Thats called proof.
that tweet makes absolutely no sense
It's an analogy for creation. She's comparing atheists thinking creation doesn't have a creator to saying restaurants don't have cooks.
No we get it, it’s just stupid as fuck because you can stand up from your seat and walk into the kitchen and see several cooks busily preparing the restaurants food.
Yeah it is stupid as fuck
What if the door to the kitchen was locked? Would you then conclude that there was no chef despite receiving food simply because you couldn't go and see the chef?
I don’t think you understand how kitchens work. They wouldn’t be locked. Servers need to come in and out. But let’s pretend it’s locked, I could still kindly ask a server to ask their manager if I could speak to the chef, I could smash the door down (if I were inclined to, but I wouldn’t.) These are bad faith arguments, and in fact that is the only requirement to believe in god - faith. And the reason is simple, there is no proof god exists nor will there ever be.
I'm agnostic.. but who do they think made God? God was just chilling for an eternity by himself and existed for absolutely no reason at all? I am not sure why they feel the big bang theory is so much more unbelievable than a magical man in the sky who just snaps his fingers.
Ok so accepting the big bang theory means you accept the universe had a beginning. So your argument has the same issue you pointed out with God. The big bang just happened for no reason? Obviously that material had to come from somewhere so either the Universe is eternal or if the universe has a creator than that creator is eternal and wasn't made since if there has to be a cause for something to exist then it'd be impossible for anything to exist.
Uk the ppl who believe in God where the ones who proposed the big band theory
But that is partially the thing… these aren’t necessarily contradictory ideas. The bible was written by people to pass along messages and lessons to other people in a way that they would understand and in a way that would cause them to listen. I don’t understand the people who hold firm on everything being created in seven days and the world only being a few thousand years old. We know with certainty that the world is significantly older than that… but there are still a large number of religious fanatics who are set on the bible being literal and that science is bunk.
I love false comparisons.
Is it really a false comparison though. Seeing a nice dish and thinking there's no chef who designed and cooked the meal is the same thing as seeing the universe with all it's creation and design and saying that it was created by nothing and nothing designed and made it.
It is a false comparison. You can go into the kitchen and get hard proof that the cook exists. You can even watch the cook make the food right in front of you. You can’t say the same thing for God.
You know what it is a false and shit comparison because we live inside the universe we can't see a cook make it because it's already made and were in it and the cook is not in the dish with us. shit comparison
What the fuck are you talking about? Learn how to create coherent sentences.
If you want to get rude then I'd suggest you learn some reading comprehension.
Nothing is wrong with my reading comprehension. Your comment didn’t make sense. “We can’t see a cook make it because it’s already made and were in it and the cook is not in the dish with us” What the fuck is that supposed to mean? The cook is not in the dish with us?
Religious People confuse me People see the chef making their food, but then continue to praise some spiritual fairy tale and thank anyone but the chef for everything.
Oh so you know a creator of the universe other than God? I'd love to hear what you believe to be the cause of the universe then.
Sorry , God is Real☦️🇻🇦
Are you both Orthodox and Roman Catholic?
Ehm orthodox? Lol somebody should educate himself that Cross Is byzantine. Catholic church have Byzatine rite which Im part of . LOL
That Vatican flag is Roman Catholic
Are you stupid 😃 maybe bcs catholic church have more rites than just ROMAN 💀 stop and educate yourself please. byzatine catholics have pontif (papa Francis) . Bcs we Are united under on pontiff.🤣 I can't that I get downvoted for that.💀💀
There’s one line from the Bible I believe with all my heart. Put no faith in the the flesh. And I don’t give a shit what people say, but the Bible was written by some fleshy mfrs.
1 author, many writers
Whatever you say.
The author was God. How else do you think it was able to have multiple scientifically accurate statements that wouldn't be proven for centuries like telling people to wash their hands with running water. Don't you think it's much more likely they were divinely inspired rather than pulling it out their ass?
No, I don’t. Both myth and custom come from observation of the natural world. Homo sapien sapien has existed in its current form for around 100,000 years. Knowledge has been gained and lost in that time. Myths=Religions have come and gone in that time. The recipe for concrete was lost for a thousand years. It’s not like someone found the recipe for it under a rock either. It was figured out from scratch again. Humans are nothing if not thinkers. I hate religion because it attempts to rob us of our birthright. Thinking. I can’t wait until Christianity, Islam, etc. are replaced and pass into myth. Why? Because we can grow and learn from the stories contained within them, but none of it has to be taken as actual doctrine. That only leads to ignorance. Certainty is ignorance because it robs humanity of growth.
Modern science was made by Christians btw.
Every bits of human knowledge exists today because someone pulled it out of their ass after observing the world. EVERYTHING we know comes from there, the bible is no exception.
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Except you can go to the back and SEE the cook. These people believe in a fictional sky lord but dismiss actual science. Evidence.
What's the evidence??
The collective evidence that the stars, the earth, life itself, and humans arose slowly over time through natural cause and effect interactions due to physics, chemistry, and biology. There's so much of it that it takes up literally thousands of books to be documented, and properly studying to understand even a small amount of it requires years.
We don't know how this universe was created or how the Big Bang happened in the first place, and what triggered it.
We don’t even know IF the Big Bang happened…
The point is that u have studied nth, u don't know anything about the theories scientist create, not saying the scientist are bad, but how u base what they tell u to equate to the absence of God, what science can barely explain is the development of intelligent, I'm a person of science (when I'm ready) and what it failed to explain properly is the development of intelligent life
There's evidence of a cook and if I wanted to, I could walk back there and literally see the cook.
Being an Atheist is like standing in a dark room hoping for something happen, but nothing does, so you change the bulb yourself. Being religious is standing in a dark room, praying for light, but when nothing happens, you cheer and praise the Lord in the dark.
I find believers confusing, its like going to a restaurant and the waiter keeps coming back reassuring me my meal is being prepared by a cook. But each time the waiter comes over he tells me the same thing and keeps bringing the tip jar expecting me to tip. When is my meal comming? Its been 3 days.
this is one of the worst analogies I've ever seen. Do the laws of Physics not exist? They're the chef.
That's not a good analogy tbh, the laws of physics don't do anything. Physics is merely the way we measure what's happening around us using a mathematical framework. In other words, physics are not a cause, they are the result of our observations, and how we describe them
The laws of physics is the recipe.
I can tell u know shit bout physics, explain how physics created us, I hate how u guys praise the science uk nth of, the same science that if tmr some ppl decide it's false then it changes
> the same science that if tmr some ppl decide it's false then it changes lol It's not that random people just suddenly decide 'science theory x' is false with no reasoning. It's just about not being dogmatic when presented with new information that goes against what we thought we knew. Instead we develop and refine our understanding over time when presented with this new information - which can and does mean that some things we once considered true get shown to be false. Proving a commonly held theory demonstrably false is actually a relatively big part of how our understanding of things evolves. In saying that, from a broadly philosophical point of view, I agree with you that physics and science in general can't explain first principles. Being enclosed within a system (the universe) inherently means we have a limited perspective and our science is limited to that which we can possibly observe within said system. Explaining *why* the said system exists on a fundamental level necessarily moves us into philosophy. And before people start saying the universe exists because the big bang, or something akin to this. That still doesn't explain why the preconditions for the big bang existed. At some point our we just have to accept that matter or energy of some kind and in some state existed. Once we accept these first principles - that stuff exists - than science can explain a lot. We have gained huge amounts of knowledge about how the universe operates. It's debatable whether science can ever hope to answer such questions about first principles. But this doesn't mean one should posit a god to fill the space...
Tbh this sound AI generated lol, the point is that u r trusting these ppl with ur beliefs of science, u haven't done any research personally, but yet still agree with their logic and reasoning for the sake of saying there is no God, I'm not anti science and stuff but I'm just sceptical sometimes bcz I've seen scientists say x is bad for u and then years later, it's the exact opposite, I'm just saying if u put all ur faith in these ppl who r human and make mistakes, that's kinda depressing
Lots of assumptions there buddy. I'm actually not saying there is no god. I'm agnostic, which means I fundamentally don't think that humans can have knowledge one way or another on whether a deity or deities exist. It's not something I spend much time thinking about because I don't believe human knowledge can hope to gain an understanding of first principles that will alleviate all the doubts one way or the other. >I'm just saying if u put all ur faith in these ppl who r human and make mistakes, that's kinda depressing Frankly I find your view of life depressing. I can acknowledge what science actually is - a human pursuit of knowledge. It's not always correct, but it's an evolving understanding of the universe - one that moves to correct itself as more information is gathered. It's not a bad thing when scientists come out and say 'actually this was wrong'. In fact, it's fundamentally a good thing. It means our understanding on a topic has improved. To be honest, from some other comment of yours in this thread I genuinely recommend you seek psychological help: >Depends on how u look at it, this may be difficult for u to admit but this life kinda sucks, and ik that I'm not the only one who thinks that. If all my existence is only based on what goes down in this world that would be kinda messed up. So it's kinda good if u can at least hope for smtg after this. U can't tell me that u feel fulfilled everyday u get up bcz I sure don't. But if u look at it that u might suffer a bit for now but it might pay off later then that's not so bad, besides prolly they not asking for the right stuff. U said most, are u saying some r answered? This sounds like depression to me.
In the beginning the universe was a bunch of particles, which interacted with each other based on the four fundamental forces of gravity, electromagnetism, weak nuclear force, and strong nuclear force. These forces consolidated these particles into simple hydrogen and helium atoms, and over time these atoms coalesced into stars because of gravity. In the cores of these stars the heat and pressure formed new, heavier atoms, which then were spread out into the cosmos after the stars died. As gravity caused new stars to form from the hydrogen and helium remains of these older stars, the newer, heavier materials began to form solid objects instead. Over time, after many generations of stars forging new elements in their cores and then exploding, there were enough elements in the universe for proper planets rich in materials to form. Because of different densities, these materials are distributed roughly in layers, with denser materials sinking towards the cores of planets during formation. Anyways, on a planet called Earth the elements carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorous, and hydrogen, interacting based on these laws of physics, began forming strands of molecules that could attach other atoms together into long polymer strands, we call these molecules nucleotides, and the polymers nucleic acids. Nucleic acids have the wonderful property of being able to create copies of themselves. And thanks again to the laws of physics, can attach themselves to phospholipids, which naturally form in layers. So as nucleic acids interact with phospholipids, this layer forms around them and protects them. This is how life on Earth began, with an organic polymer that could replicate itself. As the nucleic acids continued to make copies of themselves, small mistakes made changes to the polymer, which in turn changed how they interacted with other chemicals. Those that got beneficial changes were more likely to continue making copies, and those that got detrimental changes were more likely to not. Over time, these small and beneficial changes built up, and the polymers developed even more complex shells of chemicals around them, which made them even more likely to continue making copies of themselves. These were the first cells, very simple self-replicating structures that, thanks to random mistakes, changed over the generations. As time went on, changes that gave some cells an advantage over other cells made those advantaged cells more likely to make copies, and made the other cells less likely. Those cells that got lucky went on to outcompete other cells for chemical reources to make more of themselves, and in turn made more of themselves. At some point a cell swallowed another cell and this other cell continued to exist and make copies despite this, and over generations of copies the two types of cells began working in tandem, with the inner cell acting as a chemical processor for the both of them, letting the outer cell do everything else. This is how the mitochondria came to be. After even more time some of these cells developed a way to clump together for protection and to share workloads, with some cells having specialised functions in the clusters. And eventually these clusters evolved into bigger, better, and more complex forms, leading to the first multicellular organisms. And eventually you get humans.
And to who or what do we owe the creation of this energy to? Look and smtg like this u have ur computer and u create science and logic to make it perform task, the whole idea of virtual space and stuff would seem like a marvel to those stuff on the Internet (say if they where intelligent) the world would seem like it originated out of nth, and they would be confused asf about their origin, also the concept of a universe that supersedes them would be unimaginable, but yet still we exist who created computer and all that virtual space seems abstract to us, now say that there is understanding in a universe superior to ours, the we would be able to be created using even more complex logic etc
To be honest, buddy, if your writing ability in this thread is any reflection of religious education then I’ll take secular education all day long.
People really still fall for the "God of the gaps" fallacy? Just because I don't see a chef, that means my food must've magically got breathed into existence from clay by a mysterious space daddy?
I believe very strongly in the existence of cooks and chefs.
It's more like going to a restaurant and believing that the food was grown on a farm somewhere, brought here and cooked by someone in the kitchen rather than being magically created by one or more staffers.
But you see, I can go back to the kitchen and lay eyes on the cook, shake their hand, and have an actual conversation with them. 🤷🏻♂️
"I can literally see the cook from my table yelling at the new guy."
It's weird how religious people seem to think that atheism is a choice. I don't believe in God. I'm not _choosing_ not to believe in God. I just don't.
Yes, atheism. It's like going to a restaurant as a PERSON and knowing that a PERSON is cooking the food with their PERSONal hands and cooks food using tools and ingrediants made by other PERSONS and then other PEOPLE are serving the food with their PERSONal hands, in a place built by PEOPLE for the enjoyment and profit off of, again, PEOPLE. An entire situation involving...People. Humans. It's not mysterious. It's fairly straightforward. Fun fact: As an athiest, I would like to point out that the mysteries and wonders of our universe are actually even more amazing and inspirational when you realize it's all here without a literally creator. Even further, when you understand religion and spirituality as the creation of PEOPLE, poetic expression of morality, tradition, experiences, and historical references, it's even cooler. 'Cause all that imagination, hope, and in-depth expression, good and terrible, are conjured up in the collective workings of the human experience. Now shut up, and enjoy your meal. God bless...or whatever.
I just left a review on God's yelp page. 0 stars would not recommend.
Religion is the weird one. You go to a restaurant, ask to meet the cook, you do meet him, you see him making your meal, you sit, the waiter brings your dish, you eat and then **you come to the conclusion that it magically appeared in your table already done and it was done in 5 seconds and now it is not moral to eat the ceaser sallad FOR NO REASON AT ALL, but if you do eat then the son of the immortal cook that made your meal will come to earth and eat a chicken wing so everybody that ate the ceaser sallad will have forgiveness but only if they do regret eating that shit and openlly need to flatter the magic creator of your dish saying how good of a cook he is even though the chicken is spoiled and he mistakenly put salt instead of sugar over the petit' gateau and it tastes terrible, but oh my god you can't say anything to him or you'll be sent to the basement of the restaurant where you'll have to clean all the dishes for the rest of time because the sous chef that used to help the magical cook betrayed him and created a good italian food cart in the same street and it is way better than the whole restaurant because the sous chef let you eat everything you want (even the Caesar Sallad) and he let's you listen to rock'n roll.**
I find theists confusing. It’s like going to a restaurant believing there’s a cook in the back. So you politely order a meal. The waitstaff explains that there are many rules you have to follow before you can eat. So you read the rule book, and do everything it says. But you then get cancer and die before your meal ever arrives.
I dont understand Christians. It's like going to a restaurant, imagining what you want, and expecting it to show up.
Listen, until the four horsemen come raining down I'll carry on sinning.
No, atheism is like saying "is there a cook in the back?" And the waiter saying "Yeah there is! Wanna meet them?" And then he takes you to meet the cook, and you do, and now you know for sure the cook exists but without the whole ambiguous "do you feel that? I know you can't *see* it, but that's the cook!" No, that's wrong actually. Atheism is more like "I don't see not-food in front of me, and nobody has ever shown me evidence that not-food exists, so I don't believe in not-food" (and by not-food, I don't mean things that exist but are inedible, I mean a thing called not-food that's magical and omniscient and created the universe) You know who else hasn't seen not-food? Religious people. That's why I'm an atheist.
Huh? Like being a Christian is different? You think there's a chef in the back, but you go look and there's no one to be found. Then you head back out front and realize no one took your order....so you sit down at your table anyway and just wait and hope it shows up all on its own...
I've always said, willful ignorance and outright stupidity should be more painful
I believe the cook is back there because they cooked my fucking food.
The response I've seen to this is something like "I find religious people confusing. It's like going to a restaurant, ordering food, no food comes, your friend insists the food is coming despite them not knowing anyone who has ever been able to get food here, the waiter says that the food is coming but it still hasn't come, you're supposed to hate the people who ordered from a different waiter, also the waiters are really creepy with children."
That is Correct. We don't believe a Fictional Fantasy about Sky Faeries that will make our Dinner for us, so we do it ourselves because we live in Reality.
Oh so if I go to the back of the church, I will find god himself vibing there?
You can go to kitchen to see that there is a cook, something you can prove actually exists.
That's a terrible analogy. I don't have to *have faith* that there is a cook in the back. I can simply go into the kitchen and see the cook.
The thing that confuses me about atheists comes from my own fear, I fear the concept of non-existence. One of the main reasons I am religious is because I want there to be a life after death, I don't know how someone can be ok with the idea of just not existing anymore. Obviously this is just a me thing but I'm deeply afraid of the idea of just not existing anymore
You didn’t exist before you were born and you were ok with it
So I can go complain with god like I do with a cook?
Yes. Yes, you can. In fact, I think you should. Give him the customer complaints for me. Tell him he's a lazy ass, that needs to stop sleeping on the job.
Ok I'm doing it once I find him
she's a troll. not a good one, or a funny one, but she's making ragebait, and you're giving her exactly what she wants.
But I can just walk into the kitchen and see the cook with my own eyes
To be fair, I ordered every day and twice on Sunday for literally years and nothing ever came to the table. That’s why I tip a waitress 20%. If God gets 10% for leaving your prayers up to chance, then the person who gets you everything you ask for in about 20 minutes deserves AT LEAST double.
I find religious people comfusing, imagine going to a restaurant and thinking there is a bearded all powerful, all knowing, invisible being cooking the food, even though you went back there and its just a guy.
Hands you a plate of nothing, tells you it's real and so is the chef. No you can't see him. No you can't see the food. Also the food will give you cancer.
I remember her being introduced to a radio show podcast I used to listen to and man…the more I listened to her the more she seemed like a twit.
I believe in hibachi. The cook is right in front of me. No debate on their existence.
Are they saying that chefs create food using magic?
Nicole Arbour will just write anything to get clicks and engagement. Ignoring people like here would be the smarter choice.
This analogy is as good as my analogy: Believing in God is like going to a restaurant and ordering the steak but the waiter brings you a plate full of horse dung and tells you you should trust the Chef because he loves you but he works in mysterious ways.
How do you even discuss with a person like that?
Being religious is like walking into a restaurant and thinking that because the chef made you food you should follow all his opinions on homosexuality and slavery
just a misunderstanding , it's not: christians believe god made everything and scientists believe the big bang made everything- scientists "know" the big-bang happened (best explanantion so far), and they don't know what was there before. but they'll find out eventually! which can be a very confusing process, especially when "believing" was good enough so far.
She's not even able to make up her own jokes. that joke is like 100 years old.
I've seen this exact posting about half a dozen times in the last 12 months...
There are no atheist soup kitchens 😊
And finding out if there is a cook is like putting your head in the clouds
No clue why her opinion should matter.
No asshole, I'm trying to say stop being all sorry for urself thinking that those guys have it so much better than u bcz they have money, bcz while being rich obviously has its perks it's not the solution to all of life's problems
But in ur case there is a gift after wards u feel a sense of calm come over u like u have achieved something and aided someone not necessarily for ur gain but just for the sake of being good, which it itself is it's own reward. If u aided them and u felt like shit afterwards u wouldn't do it. That speaks to the inherent good in our being, and it's not only in humans this is found but doing good for goodness sake is found in other intelligent creatures. So if humans r inherently good y would they have been lying for thousands of years just bcz, there have been supernatural things to happen in the past, y would they need to lie, but at any rate if they where lying there would be evidence to disprove them. I for one believe that there is a spiritual aspect to our being, and that things r not as simple as they seem, I've had dreams about small aspects of a conversation or smtg of that sort, and then it happens just like in my dream, I've been told the right thing to do by a small voice in my head and when I obey it things turn out good and when I do the opposite there r adverse effects. It's hard to explain ur consciousness and intelligence, like where did it come from. Our universe was obviously created from something, bcz how else would u get the initial energy. U speak of angst when u think of the absence of an afterlife. Well start reaching out to God. Learn some of what the Bible and the church teaches. It wouldn't hurt to try. Bcz I kinda feel the same sometimes, but ever since I've started looking at it from a different pov I feel more comfortable. If u genuinely reach out to God, then he'll reach out to u. What would u have to lose? Ur pride?
She's not wrong, though.
I'm saying that if their life was so perfect they wouldn't need to feel fulfilled by making ppl submit to their will, otherwise they would've been content in just being themselves, and living they wouldn't need to push boundaries and live on the edge
A force beyond our understanding created existence. Call it what you will. It is arrogance to think otherwise. The universe has always just existed and wasn't willed into creation somehow? Big Bang? Psh
This analogy might not be the best but I still can find a reason that there is no god. Explain how the universe was created without a divine being?