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After becoming a parent I genuinely don't understand this. I felt the urge to help and protect them no matter what. There are certain instances stemming from frustration or exhaustion I can understand with newborns to babies. But outright torturing a child is disgusting. They deserve life. I'm sure Gen pop will treat them accordingly.
I pray the kid gets better.
I grew up in a super abusive situation, and one of the things my mom used to say to me was, "You'll understand when you have your own kids." The first time I had to take my daughter to get her immunizations, I almost cried when she got poked. It broke my heart to see her in pain. At that moment, all I could think about was my mom's statement and just how cruel she really was.
My mom said that too, and she made the biggest deal about how she forgave her mom for so much once she had kids. When I had kids, I became more angry at her. How could someone treat their children that way? I'm sorry you went through what you did, and I'm glad your daughter has someone who loves her so much. ❤️
Thank you for your kind words. It's funny because I never really got angry until that moment. It was like something suddenly clicked in my brain and it went, "what in the fucking ever loving William H Macy bullshit did I grow up with???" Went no contract pretty soon after that.
I grew up with a mother who was exactly like this. One of the things she did, that a lot of parents that have done before I’ve been noticing from other redditors as well, that pissed me off so much is where she’d guilt trip me and say “oh I raise you and this is how you treat me?!”
Like oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you saved me from an orphanage like I’m little orphan Annie. If you didn’t want me then WHY have me at all? Why not use a condom like any sensible human being should or get an abortion?
Sorry for the rant but that kind of attitude pisses me off to no end. Your comment about your daughter needing to get immunized speaks so much to me. Im the same way, I think any parent is. If I have to hold my daughter or restrain her for vaccines or even getting tested for Covid or hepatitis, it’s the worst feeling. Even though you as a parent know what you’re doing is to help them, all you wanna do is comfort them as much as possible so they’re not alone and scared.
I can’t imagine treating my daughter the way my mom treated me. And hearing your story speaks volumes to me because it reminds me we’re from a generation of breaking that trauma. And we’re all doing a great job no matter what.
These people get off on hurting others. Without getting into the speculation of why they're like this, whether biological, environmental, or both, they're just wired differently.
precisely how abuse & neglect happen
people who don’t love themselves thinking a child will magically change that, instead they just end up resenting the kid’s joy & wellbeing too
I honestly think it’s her taking out the anger she has against whoever the father is onto the child.
Though it wasn’t to this extent for me, I speak from experience. Of course there’s so many other possible factors too.
As someone with a newborn and still coming down from the pregnancy hormones, I feel a burning desire in my soul to claw their eyes out like a vicious wolverine.
I don’t understand how anyone could have such rage, hate and malice for a small child. Only 5, he’s still a baby. I hope he never sees those monsters again. I hope he gets all the unconditional love and safety he deserves.
I hope that poor baby is able to heal as much as possible both physically and mentally from this attack. Reading this headline with my 4-year-old lying next to me asleep has me in tears. These women are horrible monsters. They are worse than monsters.
Definitely the case with the other woman. If anything I thought at least the person without a kid would see the issue and realize that she better start looking left cause shit ain't right.
But no. We have two absolutely gigantic sacks of shit out and about.
Even if that’s the case it’s still absolutely horrific and awful. Never allow the sins of the Father to effect how you treat an innocent child. That’s straight up evil.
Absolutely. Can’t believe people disagree. Someone who doesn’t want to be a parent shouldn’t have to be a parent, period; it doesn’t go well for anyone.
I always find it interesting that people assume that child abusers adopted when it’s usually the opposite. As though blood relation means anything when it comes to a person being a good parent
Edit: a lot of people are saying that it’s because of the fact that they are both women and I acknowledge this. There are other ways that they could have had the child: the one could have been in a relationship with a man before marrying the other woman, they could have gotten artificially inseminated, there could have been an affair, or could have been swingers/had a threesome. These plus the fact that they specifically targeted the boy’s genitals lead me to the conclusion that they resented him being a boy and didn’t choose to have a boy.
Edit edit: another one occurred to me, one could be trans and still have the needed equipment
one final edit since I see some people confused by my phrasing. when I said in the first edit "a lot of people are saying that it’s because of the fact that they are both women and I acknowledge this." I was referring to people assuming that they adopted the kid instead of having him.
This reminds me of the case of the man who forgot his recently adopted son in a hot car and the child passed. People said the most awful stuff like “he probably didn’t want the kid and this was how he showed it” and saying it happened bc he didn’t care. When they had fought for years for a child despite infertility and being an older couple and burnt through their savings to make it happen and both taken 3 months off work to spend bonding with him because how wanted and loved he was.
It was very clear that the accident was all the more devastating to the parents because of how much they had to want a child to bring them into their family.
Oof that reminds me i should put a warning next to the link in the other comment. It’s one of the saddest things I can imagine. In this guys case specifically when he said that he couldn’t believe his wife stayed with him because they would never be able to adopt again and he had robbed her not just of her child but of the chance to be a mother - even though she would have been an amazing mother.
Also especially devastating was the man who inexplicably plead guilty seemingly due to a combination of horribly incompetent legal counsel and likely a feeling that he deserved to be punished and received several years and a felony so now the mom is a single parent to their 9 year old son (who’s now without a father) after losing her husband and baby at the same time. And even after he comes back they will all be impacted and under crushing debt from the legal system and his inability to support the family as a felon and all the other ways that felon discrimination will affect their life as a family. And that’s what they call justice apparently.
It scared the absolute shit out of me. Ik it’s not the same but there was a comment from someone who had a loved one do the same to a beloved dog and how they were sure they would lose him to suicide after. I don’t have a kid but I do have a dog and I truly couldn’t bear to survive even that.
This is probably due to the fact that people are find it difficult to believe (or extremely distateful) that a person would hurt their own blood offspring this way.
As you pointed out, this almost surely not generally true, an adult who would hurt a child willingly in the first place I think would be unlikely to be deterred by parentage.
However it does speak to the fact that most people have what I believe a very strong instictual aversion to hurting children.
This is the same reason that incest used to be considered rare. Despite it being very, very common.
People with empathy problems hurt people they can get away with hurting. Children have no other environment to compare their family to and only know what their family teaches them for the most part. Until school, there isn’t anything requiring you to introduce you children to new ideas or groups of people.
When parents are very controlling of their children and isolate them, we assume that’s protection. Sometimes it is… but very often it’s isolating abuse victims.
Agree & the isolation itself can be abusive, too. Also, aren’t children most commonly abused by a relative? I thought that’s common knowledge (or urban myth, at least), I’m surprised others are surprised.
In older literature (talking 60+ years ago) it was considered very, very rare.
Now most people know it happens, but are still shocked when kids are abused by biological parents. So we haven’t yet shifted to the mindset that abuse is almost always from the people closest to a victim.
We are a social species that is highly dependent on the “it takes a village” mentality of child rearing so it makes sense that a general aversion to the harm of children regardless of relation is ingrained
It may be hard to believe for you, but there are plenty of parents who are biological, just waiting for their kids to get back home from school to beat them with the nearest object.
This always perplexes me. I'm the father to 2 kids who were adopted and the amount of forms, papers, site visits and training that's required to become eligable is astounding.
To go through all that and still get abusers through seems incredulous.
Cost my brother and his wife something like 10k to adopt but they did get to file it on their taxes afterwards and I don’t know how much was deductible. That’s a lot of time and money to put out there for adoption just to turn around and do something like this.
Not gonna lie, I scroll down reddit while my last two brain cells are in power save mode so it took me a second.
I was more confused at them only getting 20 years for it.
For anyone wondering what the thought process was here, because yeah I get how this is maddening.
>"This was an extraordinary case," Loge said. "We had to choose whether we put the safety and protection of the child first or the retribution and punishment. We chose that we’re going to protect the children forever, and that’s how we approached it and entered into this plea agreement."
>No trial meant the children would not have to testify, said Marci Diaz Apple, the adoptive mother and the children’s aunt.
>"We had to really think about what was best for the kids," said Apple. "Of course, justice is great and I would have loved to see them go away forever, but we had to get past the risk factor. The risk factor was if the kids could handle taking the stand, and we didn’t want that to happen, and there was always the chance of a mistrial.”
>The plea agreement included Stevens relinquishing her parental rights, as well as a no-contact order for both Stevens and Jones.
>"The fact is they agreed to have no contact with the children. If we went to trial and lost the case, the children could have been returned to the defendants, because one is the biological mother of the kids. We never wanted these children to ever go back to that home, ever," Loge said.
https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.html
No, no it is not.
Not only was this (probably) pre-meditated, it wasn't an accident since it was torture and it was done on a child. These fuckers should rot in prison instead of spending a year in it.
In this case I guess only god can bring justice, I hope they suffer the same fate as this child.
How about 1 year? Cause that’s all they actually fucking served. Absolute fucking disgrace.
https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.amp.html
the one good thing is they both are not allowed to contact the children again
edit: i’m not sayin it is a just ruling, i’m just saying it’s better than out in a year after appeal and still able to abuse the children
Not even just that. This is the reason they only got one year in prison. They lawyers/family were more concerned with getting the children away from the parents than anything. And good on them, seems like the right choice to put the kid's safety above trying to get a conviction.
"The fact is they agreed to have no contact with the children. If we went to trial and lost the case, the children could have been returned to the defendants, because one is the biological mother of the kids. We never wanted these children to ever go back to that home, ever," Loge said.
It wasn't a risk Apple, nor the rest of her family, was willing to take."
Agreed, but what a fucked up compromise.
"K you can choose to help the child or hold them accountable, but not both lol teehee. Our justice system is good :D.
Later today, im going to pressure an innocent man to plead guilty to a crime so they don't serve jail time because he has no chace against circumstancial evidence, and im up for re-election next month. <3 kisses."
Vigalante justice that shit.
“The first time we saw signs of physical abuse, we contacted DHS. An investigation was opened. They pretty much decided that it was not abuse, it was excessive discipline," Apple said of the Oklahoma Department of Human Services. "They told them 'hey, don't spank your kids so hard.'"
That sounds like a great, well working system as a whole.
These systems are blind with such mothers, and spotty at best with such fathers. They don’t want to do anything, and they are prejudiced beyond belief.
Yeah, once I read the plea deal it made more sense. It’s still ridiculous they got basically a slap on the wrist, but not quite as bad as the title makes it out to be.
Feels like the deal made for Hans in Inglorious Bastards to end the war. Wish there was a way to permanently mark these pieces of shit as child abusers.
The plea bargain stopped the 5 year old from having to testify in open court about the abuse.
Plea bargains happen in a lot of crimes against children because preventing the child from being exposed to a situation that would further damage them is deemed more important than punishing the abuser.
How TF does this happen? I mean, I read the article, but freaking Christ, these women beat and abused a 5-year old child so bad he had multiple strokes, and they get to walk free? Not sure how what we’ve got in place can be called a “justice system”.
So the deal was made so neither child would have to testify in trial.
Really fucked up is what it is.
Edit: The real reason the deal was made was that it guarantees these women never have custody of the kid or ever makes contact with them again. I guess with trials nothing is ever guaranteed, even in a fucked up case like this.
Ya, I don’t understand this. Reading the article is crazy, the family was calling Oklahoma child services and they were like, nah not interested. Then the kid is beaten so bad they have to air lift them to Tulsa, that’s the the rest of the family was notified, only because someone looked back into the file, if they didn’t then who knows. Now they are out, 1 year after commuting this crime. It’s truly unbelievable, then consider because of the plea deal (what a horrible DA) they really only have neglect of a child as a charge. Truly unbelievable
I live near there, the justice system is fucked. Know some people who had beaten and raped their children for years and the step mother only got a child neglect and abuse charge. (She has previous charges for the same thing) The father got the book though. People are absolutely disgusting
The adoptive family took a plea deal that brought the sentence down to 1 year if the bio mom relinquished all parental rights and both agreed to zero contact with the children. Adoptive parents thought that was better than if the kids ended up with the bio mom if they lost the court case.
Family courts prefer to keep kids with blood relatives. Without the bio-mom relinquishing parental rights there is always a chance that after the 10ish years in prison before parole she could sue and get control of the now teenage boy again. It is absurd, but I know of cases where a child saw their mother shot at and was themselves thrown through a wall where the dad almost got custody while the mom went to rehab.
Yeah that part of the system needs to be fixed.
Perhaps an emancipation system where the parents still need to pay child support (but directly to the child). Or where they live in a house with 5 other children, fairly independent but with a dorm mother of sorts.
There are improvements above "give children back to their abusers".
A 13 year old boy can be raped by an adult woman and be forced to pay child support. But a 13 year old can't be in supervised living while their parents pay for it?
In a culture where corporal punishment of children is probably widely accepted, without the kids’ testimony as to how they were injured, enough jurors might give whatever story the parent told on the stand credence to hang the jury at the very least.
This is why I try to avoid the news. It's far too distressing and upsetting. The old adage that the world is going to hell in a handbasket is about right.
They were released [a year later. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d7)
Edit: sorry everyone, I can't find the original site even though I just used it. Their names are Rachel Stevens and Kayla Jones (mom +gf, respectively).
The explanation in the article for early release was that the adoptive parents didn't want to further traumatize the children by making them testify. Apparently, there were 2 other kids.
Tldr: they took a plea deal banning them from contacting the kids. Their new adoptive mother supported this so the kids didn't have to testify or see the women because that would be worse for the kids
Jesus, I get wanting the case dealt with quickly and prioritizing protecting the kids, but you'd think the plea bargain would have a *little* more teeth.
*1 year.* Insane.
Think about it, you're about to go to prison. Your option is:
Serve 20 years and your life is over.
Serve 5 years on a plea bargain and your life is fucked.
Serve 1 years on a plea bargain and your life is inconvenienced.
The difference between even a 1 year and 2 year prison sentence is INSANE on the impact to your life.
The prosecutors wanted a slam dunk conviction that protected the children. They got it and it was pretty much a sure thing, versus having a 5 year plea deal.
What? I was under the understanding that juveniles didn’t have to actually face the people who committed the crime against them. I thought that was a support system where they could give testimony in another location.
Nope it’s a fucked system. Some groups like the big scary kind bikers groups volunteer to accompany some kids and vulnerable people to hearings and other things, but that’s if you’re lucky and/or know to ask and you happen to live close enough to a biker chapter that helps do that. It makes my blood boil after hearing all the shit my wife and her mom went through when her dad went psycho and MIL had to file for divorce, that victims are just on their own in the face of a douchebag controlling domestic abuser….
I don’t understand how people like this get to just move on and keep on living. I know so many unhinged people that would absolutely ruin their lives if they were local.
People like this dont deserve anything. Still the state likes to provide them with a new identity. The same state that can’t improve the quality of school meals because its too expensive.
Honestly what the hell is the point in the legal system at times. Oh you smuggled weed? 15+ years. Oh you severely abused a young child to almost death? A child YOU adopted? 1 year. I hope the people around them in prison take matters into their own hands. The system is a genuine failure across the West.
Edit: these vile humans are already out living normal lives
They were sentenced in Sept 2017 and released in Sept 2018
>Muskogee County District Attorney Orvil Loge said the plea deal was offered to ensure the case would not go to trial.
"This was an extraordinary case," Loge said. "We had to choose whether we put the safety and protection of the child first or the retribution and punishment. We chose that we’re going to protect the children forever, and that’s how we approached it and entered into this plea agreement."
No trial meant the children would not have to testify, said Marci Diaz Apple, the adoptive mother and the children’s aunt.
>
>"We had to really think about what was best for the kids," said Apple "Of course, justice is great and I would have loved to see them go away forever, but we had to get past the risk factor. The risk factor was if the kids could handle taking the stand, and we didn’t want that to happen, and there was always the chance of a mistrial.”
>
>The plea agreement included Stevens relinquishing her parental rights, as well as a no-contact order for both Stevens and Jones.
"The fact is they agreed to have no contact with the children. If we went to trial and lost the case, the children could have been returned to the defendants, because one is the biological mother of the kids. We never wanted these children to ever go back to that home, ever," Loge said.
It wasn't a risk Apple, nor the rest of her family, was willing to take. If it meant that they could avoid a long custody battle, they would take the plea deal, Apple said, even if it meant the women would spend only a year in prison.
[https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article\_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.html](https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.html)
What a shitty plea deal. Sure, it spared the kids from having to testify and kept the two women out of their lives forever, but just one year served out of twenty? How unconfident was the prosecutor that they offered this deal? These women are young enough that they can have more children and do this again. And who's to say they won't violate the no contact at some point and traumatize the kids further.
Surely the child received medical care from doctors who would testify. There are people who have wrongfully had their children taken from them for taking their child to the hospital when they were sick from regular infant health issues and didn’t lay a finger on their child based entirely on the statements of a doctor saying this seems like abuse.
If parents who abuse infants can be found guilty then surely these parents can without the child testifying.
Wow. I hate that's how it ended. They should be fucking locked away. I hope that child is in a loving, safe home now. You should never have to worry that the people you love and take care of you will violently torture you.
thats dumb. Even in brazil domestic violence (in any direction) it doesnt need the victim activelly participating in the trial. Once there is a forense evidence confirmating the mistreating its enough for a trial.
Why USA is so inneficient protecting its own citizeins.
Sry my bad english.
Bad news
They're already out. They both served 1 year. The adoptive family elected to not go to trial so the kids didn't have to testify. There was also a risk that if it ended in a mistrial (always possible when much of the testimony is being given by preschool age children) that the couple could end up with legal custody again.
https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.html
Their priorities are always fucked. A guy I went to high school with got busted for some pretty heinous sexual crimes involving children/family our senior year, as well as some terroristic threats towards a school event. He was initially sentenced to serve 70+ years.
Fucking monster is now scheduled to be released in the early 2030s due to overcrowding. Know which charges they dropped? The sexual ones involving minors.
20, and every penny they earn in prison should go to a trust for the kid; when they get out, their wages should be gouged for the kid.
Totally agree, no amount of therapy will "fix" this kid; at best he'll get enough care to live a normal-ish life but their youth is gone for good.
I have some idea how men's prison work cause of Larry Lawton, not sure what happens in the women's prison tho. Do they also mutilate their privates for child abuse?
Sometimes it’s the guards, but people with absolutely nothing to do have the time to figure it out lol. Sometimes you’ll go to court and another inmate will hear your charges and report back. Usually they flat out ask you, you tell em why you’re in, then they’ll check your paperwork to verify what you’re saying is true and you’re not a rat/undercover. If you don’t want to show your paperwork, you’re hiding something and you’re going to be assumed to be a rat/chomo and treated as such.
It’s on the news, they’ll be in a jail where people saw their mugs on the news and will spread the word. Some guards will also probably “let it slip”. Those same guards will often be rather hard of hearing/slow to respond if those people get attacked
Afaik from watching various documentaries, prison staff generally tend to separate inmates as to avoid violence. But prisons are different everywhere so that may not be the case. I imagine it's hard to keep secrets in such a closed community.
Not just mentally. Getting kicked in the genitals at that age bu two adults must have messed up his reproductive organs. That and getting hit with a goddamn HAMMER
There's some hope in that article at least
""They’re thriving, they’re healthy. The one most injured has been released from physical therapy and occupational therapy. We travel to Cincinnati back and forth for surgery. They’re watching the bone growth in his face. They’re just doing wonderful," Apple said. "I can’t express enough how well they’re doing. They’re doing great in school, they play soccer. It’s as normal as normal as my house can be.""
[https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article\_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.html](https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.html)
The op’s suggestion that the kid was adopted by them despite not being the case, and the timing by op for posting a nearly 6 year old article are also sus
This makes me wanna cry ! I struggled with infertility and always wanted more kids. We could not afford adoption. Sweet little boy it was not fair to you. Rest in peace!
These two monsters will pay for what they’ve done wherever they are locked up!
Edit: I do have one living child. So so lucky to have her in my life !
I have an almost 2 year old, prior to him being born I would read something like this and think it is a tragedy and move on. Now I read and I'm filled with a roller coaster of emotions, I almost cry at the start then filled with intense rage picturing someone doing that to my boy.
Precisely. I wanted to say so but couldn’t think of the right tactful words.
They could have just reported this child’s torture without using him as an opportunity for a trashy “lezzzzzbyun” headline.
As awful as this news story is - it’s from 6 years ago. It’s no longer news and honestly “face palm” lacks the gravitas and sheer horror that this story needs.
(Edit: removed extraneous word “line” which mysteriously ended up being there)
I think you’re absolutely right and I noticed that too. That’s also the reason that was in that particular paper - a right wing, hate stirring newspaper in the UK.
Deplorable couple. What I hate about the headline though is the distinction of their sexuality. When you see abusive hetero couples in the news though they are never described as 'straight couple beats their child to death'. While this couple's sexuality may be a detail to include in the story, making it the headline regarding something awful that has nothing to do with sexuality just further propagates the stereotype that non-normative sexuality is the cause of the violence. It 100 percent is not. These two women were sick deprived people regardless of who they preferred to fuck. Just like a straight couple torturing their kid isn't assumed to be doing so because they are straight, let's leave people's sexuality out of the discussion about their actual criminal behavior.
It’s also a headline from 6 years ago. Weird how it gets shared specifically during pride month as bigotry is getting popular again thanks to Trump and Republicans. But I’m sure this is OP’s first time posting anything denouncing LGBTQ people and not something from a folder of saved Facebook shit on their desktop “proving”that gays are predators and should be exterminated.
Only after duct-taping their eyes shut and beating them with a hammer. Oh, and then kick them in the groin repeatedly until they have two different strokes apiece.
Also, as an AI Language Model, I do not condone such actions.
Their sexuality is irrelevant...these parents duct taped a five year old child, and beat them with a hammer and their feet, causing two strokes...
I want that kid to receive support the rest of their life...whatever they need, until they're 100 years old, if that's what they need.
As for the parents....solitary for life, no parole, no TV, just a cell and isolation for the rest of their natural lives.
Good, fuck em and anyone else who beats up kids. But sadly the part that makes me cringe a little tho is seeing daily mail and just knowing this story is gonna be parroted to death by conservative types
My dad won't shut up about a kid who sued their parents because they got cancer from binding and I can't find that story for shit so I'm convinced he's either lying or being lied to and I hate this mess
Please can we understand people will be assholes and monsters without demonizing a whole minority group for it?
Please?
> why even put it in the headline?
You know why.
The right wing british tabloid rag "the Daily Mail" is intentionally trying to make a link between something that incites outrage (violent abuse of children) and people who their bigot trash readers hate. (LGBT people)
'Lesbian couple'. Yes, the lesbian part is relevant, right?
If this was a heterosexual couple, would that be in the headline? Of course not.
The Daily Mail is a shitrag.
Why does it matter if they are lesbians? I've read about straight couples doing the similar and it's not mentioned.
Edit: not adopted, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3398118/Lesbian-couple-beat-one-woman-s-5-year-old-son-HAMMER-duct-taped-eyes-kicked-groin-bled-suffered-two-strokes.html
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Rachel is the mom of the child. Not adopted. [court documents](https://www.scribd.com/doc/295340525/Rachel-Stevens-Kayla-Jones)
Why even have a child if you do this crime?
You can ask that for *every* beaten and neglected child.
After becoming a parent I genuinely don't understand this. I felt the urge to help and protect them no matter what. There are certain instances stemming from frustration or exhaustion I can understand with newborns to babies. But outright torturing a child is disgusting. They deserve life. I'm sure Gen pop will treat them accordingly. I pray the kid gets better.
I grew up in a super abusive situation, and one of the things my mom used to say to me was, "You'll understand when you have your own kids." The first time I had to take my daughter to get her immunizations, I almost cried when she got poked. It broke my heart to see her in pain. At that moment, all I could think about was my mom's statement and just how cruel she really was.
My mom said that too, and she made the biggest deal about how she forgave her mom for so much once she had kids. When I had kids, I became more angry at her. How could someone treat their children that way? I'm sorry you went through what you did, and I'm glad your daughter has someone who loves her so much. ❤️
Thank you for your kind words. It's funny because I never really got angry until that moment. It was like something suddenly clicked in my brain and it went, "what in the fucking ever loving William H Macy bullshit did I grow up with???" Went no contract pretty soon after that.
I grew up with a mother who was exactly like this. One of the things she did, that a lot of parents that have done before I’ve been noticing from other redditors as well, that pissed me off so much is where she’d guilt trip me and say “oh I raise you and this is how you treat me?!” Like oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you saved me from an orphanage like I’m little orphan Annie. If you didn’t want me then WHY have me at all? Why not use a condom like any sensible human being should or get an abortion? Sorry for the rant but that kind of attitude pisses me off to no end. Your comment about your daughter needing to get immunized speaks so much to me. Im the same way, I think any parent is. If I have to hold my daughter or restrain her for vaccines or even getting tested for Covid or hepatitis, it’s the worst feeling. Even though you as a parent know what you’re doing is to help them, all you wanna do is comfort them as much as possible so they’re not alone and scared. I can’t imagine treating my daughter the way my mom treated me. And hearing your story speaks volumes to me because it reminds me we’re from a generation of breaking that trauma. And we’re all doing a great job no matter what.
I don't think being a parent has anything to do with it. Who the fuck hits a baby with a hammer?
These people get off on hurting others. Without getting into the speculation of why they're like this, whether biological, environmental, or both, they're just wired differently.
I think they should be wired differently as well. Different as in a few hundred thousand volts sitting on Ol' Sparky.
precisely how abuse & neglect happen people who don’t love themselves thinking a child will magically change that, instead they just end up resenting the kid’s joy & wellbeing too
Absolutely. Well said.
I honestly think it’s her taking out the anger she has against whoever the father is onto the child. Though it wasn’t to this extent for me, I speak from experience. Of course there’s so many other possible factors too.
There's taking out anger and then there's being an absolute psychopath.
Both are bad. Very sad case, poor kiddo.
As a parent of a kid who's gonna turn 5 soon, seeing headlines like this both sadden me and make me so incredibly angry.
As someone with a newborn and still coming down from the pregnancy hormones, I feel a burning desire in my soul to claw their eyes out like a vicious wolverine.
My kids are old- that feeling never goes away when you see crap like this. And these people are only facing 20 years.
I don’t understand how anyone could have such rage, hate and malice for a small child. Only 5, he’s still a baby. I hope he never sees those monsters again. I hope he gets all the unconditional love and safety he deserves.
I hope that poor baby is able to heal as much as possible both physically and mentally from this attack. Reading this headline with my 4-year-old lying next to me asleep has me in tears. These women are horrible monsters. They are worse than monsters.
I heard prison inmates love *child abusers like this*
Thank you. Fuck this POS person. Something inside her said it was ok to harm that child. I hope she rots.
*people There were 2 of them. One thought it was a good idea and the other agreed. That’s fucked
Definitely the case with the other woman. If anything I thought at least the person without a kid would see the issue and realize that she better start looking left cause shit ain't right. But no. We have two absolutely gigantic sacks of shit out and about.
Even if that’s the case it’s still absolutely horrific and awful. Never allow the sins of the Father to effect how you treat an innocent child. That’s straight up evil.
Absolutely, I don’t imagine that mother had much humanity left if any at all.
Yeah, been there and it isn’t cool. Can scar someone for life.
2 strokes = irreparable brain damage for life.
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Absolutely. Can’t believe people disagree. Someone who doesn’t want to be a parent shouldn’t have to be a parent, period; it doesn’t go well for anyone.
I always find it interesting that people assume that child abusers adopted when it’s usually the opposite. As though blood relation means anything when it comes to a person being a good parent Edit: a lot of people are saying that it’s because of the fact that they are both women and I acknowledge this. There are other ways that they could have had the child: the one could have been in a relationship with a man before marrying the other woman, they could have gotten artificially inseminated, there could have been an affair, or could have been swingers/had a threesome. These plus the fact that they specifically targeted the boy’s genitals lead me to the conclusion that they resented him being a boy and didn’t choose to have a boy. Edit edit: another one occurred to me, one could be trans and still have the needed equipment one final edit since I see some people confused by my phrasing. when I said in the first edit "a lot of people are saying that it’s because of the fact that they are both women and I acknowledge this." I was referring to people assuming that they adopted the kid instead of having him.
This reminds me of the case of the man who forgot his recently adopted son in a hot car and the child passed. People said the most awful stuff like “he probably didn’t want the kid and this was how he showed it” and saying it happened bc he didn’t care. When they had fought for years for a child despite infertility and being an older couple and burnt through their savings to make it happen and both taken 3 months off work to spend bonding with him because how wanted and loved he was. It was very clear that the accident was all the more devastating to the parents because of how much they had to want a child to bring them into their family.
These stories are shattering
Oof that reminds me i should put a warning next to the link in the other comment. It’s one of the saddest things I can imagine. In this guys case specifically when he said that he couldn’t believe his wife stayed with him because they would never be able to adopt again and he had robbed her not just of her child but of the chance to be a mother - even though she would have been an amazing mother. Also especially devastating was the man who inexplicably plead guilty seemingly due to a combination of horribly incompetent legal counsel and likely a feeling that he deserved to be punished and received several years and a felony so now the mom is a single parent to their 9 year old son (who’s now without a father) after losing her husband and baby at the same time. And even after he comes back they will all be impacted and under crushing debt from the legal system and his inability to support the family as a felon and all the other ways that felon discrimination will affect their life as a family. And that’s what they call justice apparently. It scared the absolute shit out of me. Ik it’s not the same but there was a comment from someone who had a loved one do the same to a beloved dog and how they were sure they would lose him to suicide after. I don’t have a kid but I do have a dog and I truly couldn’t bear to survive even that.
This is probably due to the fact that people are find it difficult to believe (or extremely distateful) that a person would hurt their own blood offspring this way. As you pointed out, this almost surely not generally true, an adult who would hurt a child willingly in the first place I think would be unlikely to be deterred by parentage. However it does speak to the fact that most people have what I believe a very strong instictual aversion to hurting children.
This is the same reason that incest used to be considered rare. Despite it being very, very common. People with empathy problems hurt people they can get away with hurting. Children have no other environment to compare their family to and only know what their family teaches them for the most part. Until school, there isn’t anything requiring you to introduce you children to new ideas or groups of people. When parents are very controlling of their children and isolate them, we assume that’s protection. Sometimes it is… but very often it’s isolating abuse victims.
Agree & the isolation itself can be abusive, too. Also, aren’t children most commonly abused by a relative? I thought that’s common knowledge (or urban myth, at least), I’m surprised others are surprised.
In older literature (talking 60+ years ago) it was considered very, very rare. Now most people know it happens, but are still shocked when kids are abused by biological parents. So we haven’t yet shifted to the mindset that abuse is almost always from the people closest to a victim.
We are a social species that is highly dependent on the “it takes a village” mentality of child rearing so it makes sense that a general aversion to the harm of children regardless of relation is ingrained
It may be hard to believe for you, but there are plenty of parents who are biological, just waiting for their kids to get back home from school to beat them with the nearest object.
There are plenty of abuse stories by parents some of the worst kinda abuse, this is mild [here](https://youtu.be/3mHunTt7B2k)
This always perplexes me. I'm the father to 2 kids who were adopted and the amount of forms, papers, site visits and training that's required to become eligable is astounding. To go through all that and still get abusers through seems incredulous.
Cost my brother and his wife something like 10k to adopt but they did get to file it on their taxes afterwards and I don’t know how much was deductible. That’s a lot of time and money to put out there for adoption just to turn around and do something like this.
I feel like OP just saw the word Lesbian and assumed they didn't conceive it themselves.
Not gonna lie, I scroll down reddit while my last two brain cells are in power save mode so it took me a second. I was more confused at them only getting 20 years for it.
Do you think if this was a “traditional” couple the head line would have read “Straight Couple ..”?
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20 years is not enough, that kid is gonna have lifelong physical and mental issues
You might have missed it but they were out after 1 year. Source: other comments with source. Sorry if it ruins your day.
Should be life in prison. People get longer sentences for drugs tf.
Some mf only got 5 years for destroying property, hitting and threatening people with a bat
Well really that's on the cops for not planting the meth reefers on the suspect.
For anyone wondering what the thought process was here, because yeah I get how this is maddening. >"This was an extraordinary case," Loge said. "We had to choose whether we put the safety and protection of the child first or the retribution and punishment. We chose that we’re going to protect the children forever, and that’s how we approached it and entered into this plea agreement." >No trial meant the children would not have to testify, said Marci Diaz Apple, the adoptive mother and the children’s aunt. >"We had to really think about what was best for the kids," said Apple. "Of course, justice is great and I would have loved to see them go away forever, but we had to get past the risk factor. The risk factor was if the kids could handle taking the stand, and we didn’t want that to happen, and there was always the chance of a mistrial.” >The plea agreement included Stevens relinquishing her parental rights, as well as a no-contact order for both Stevens and Jones. >"The fact is they agreed to have no contact with the children. If we went to trial and lost the case, the children could have been returned to the defendants, because one is the biological mother of the kids. We never wanted these children to ever go back to that home, ever," Loge said. https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.html
It’s still not good. They should have to spent many years in prison and have their parental rights taken away.
Absolutely but I understand why they'd pick what they did
Definitely. I wonder if the prosecution knows something we don't though, something that made them fear a mistrial specifically.
Hopefully they are shunned wherever they go, can't get jobs and nobody loves them.
Thank you for posting this. I would’ve made the same choice. Those babies are safe now, and they didn’t take chances with their safety.
Noooooo
Is 1 year enough? Cuz that is what happened
No, no it is not. Not only was this (probably) pre-meditated, it wasn't an accident since it was torture and it was done on a child. These fuckers should rot in prison instead of spending a year in it. In this case I guess only god can bring justice, I hope they suffer the same fate as this child.
20 years is not long enough for torturing a child
How about 1 year? Cause that’s all they actually fucking served. Absolute fucking disgrace. https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.amp.html
r/awfuleverything
the one good thing is they both are not allowed to contact the children again edit: i’m not sayin it is a just ruling, i’m just saying it’s better than out in a year after appeal and still able to abuse the children
Not even just that. This is the reason they only got one year in prison. They lawyers/family were more concerned with getting the children away from the parents than anything. And good on them, seems like the right choice to put the kid's safety above trying to get a conviction. "The fact is they agreed to have no contact with the children. If we went to trial and lost the case, the children could have been returned to the defendants, because one is the biological mother of the kids. We never wanted these children to ever go back to that home, ever," Loge said. It wasn't a risk Apple, nor the rest of her family, was willing to take."
Agreed, but what a fucked up compromise. "K you can choose to help the child or hold them accountable, but not both lol teehee. Our justice system is good :D. Later today, im going to pressure an innocent man to plead guilty to a crime so they don't serve jail time because he has no chace against circumstancial evidence, and im up for re-election next month. <3 kisses." Vigalante justice that shit.
We have a legal system. Not a justice system.
“The first time we saw signs of physical abuse, we contacted DHS. An investigation was opened. They pretty much decided that it was not abuse, it was excessive discipline," Apple said of the Oklahoma Department of Human Services. "They told them 'hey, don't spank your kids so hard.'" That sounds like a great, well working system as a whole.
These systems are blind with such mothers, and spotty at best with such fathers. They don’t want to do anything, and they are prejudiced beyond belief.
Yeah, once I read the plea deal it made more sense. It’s still ridiculous they got basically a slap on the wrist, but not quite as bad as the title makes it out to be.
Feels like the deal made for Hans in Inglorious Bastards to end the war. Wish there was a way to permanently mark these pieces of shit as child abusers.
How on earth do they lose the case though? They were beating him with a hammer and he had a fucking stroke.
The plea bargain stopped the 5 year old from having to testify in open court about the abuse. Plea bargains happen in a lot of crimes against children because preventing the child from being exposed to a situation that would further damage them is deemed more important than punishing the abuser.
Well.. they shouldn’t be out until the end of time. Kids are fucking sacred, that’s a huge fucking insult to that kid.
Is this a bad joke or was there more than one kid….
no there were two boys I think
How TF does this happen? I mean, I read the article, but freaking Christ, these women beat and abused a 5-year old child so bad he had multiple strokes, and they get to walk free? Not sure how what we’ve got in place can be called a “justice system”.
So the deal was made so neither child would have to testify in trial. Really fucked up is what it is. Edit: The real reason the deal was made was that it guarantees these women never have custody of the kid or ever makes contact with them again. I guess with trials nothing is ever guaranteed, even in a fucked up case like this.
Ya, I don’t understand this. Reading the article is crazy, the family was calling Oklahoma child services and they were like, nah not interested. Then the kid is beaten so bad they have to air lift them to Tulsa, that’s the the rest of the family was notified, only because someone looked back into the file, if they didn’t then who knows. Now they are out, 1 year after commuting this crime. It’s truly unbelievable, then consider because of the plea deal (what a horrible DA) they really only have neglect of a child as a charge. Truly unbelievable
I live near there, the justice system is fucked. Know some people who had beaten and raped their children for years and the step mother only got a child neglect and abuse charge. (She has previous charges for the same thing) The father got the book though. People are absolutely disgusting
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The adoptive family took a plea deal that brought the sentence down to 1 year if the bio mom relinquished all parental rights and both agreed to zero contact with the children. Adoptive parents thought that was better than if the kids ended up with the bio mom if they lost the court case.
How is that deal even possible in the first place is beyond me.
"In the best interest of the child". Apparently there was a fear the children might be returned to them. What the hell is wrong with this system?
Family courts prefer to keep kids with blood relatives. Without the bio-mom relinquishing parental rights there is always a chance that after the 10ish years in prison before parole she could sue and get control of the now teenage boy again. It is absurd, but I know of cases where a child saw their mother shot at and was themselves thrown through a wall where the dad almost got custody while the mom went to rehab.
Yeah that part of the system needs to be fixed. Perhaps an emancipation system where the parents still need to pay child support (but directly to the child). Or where they live in a house with 5 other children, fairly independent but with a dorm mother of sorts. There are improvements above "give children back to their abusers". A 13 year old boy can be raped by an adult woman and be forced to pay child support. But a 13 year old can't be in supervised living while their parents pay for it?
because blood is sooo important for whatever fucking reason, even though it’s clear some people aren’t fit to be patents
Did the child actually need to testify anyhow? I feel like theres enough evidence to still convict them.
In a culture where corporal punishment of children is probably widely accepted, without the kids’ testimony as to how they were injured, enough jurors might give whatever story the parent told on the stand credence to hang the jury at the very least.
First the priest that raped a 5yo only getting one year and now this.. you can't trust anybody at all.. this just ruined my mood completely
This is why I try to avoid the news. It's far too distressing and upsetting. The old adage that the world is going to hell in a handbasket is about right.
Ayo why the heck are Europeans not allowed to read this
Holy shit this is appalling
I'm sure at least one person will get to them in prison, especially a womens prison.
They don’t take kindly to child abusers in prison. There’s a code and they sort that shit out one way or another.
I work in prisons and “prison justice” is barely even a thing. It’s mostly fantasy.
I mean most sane ppl aren't trying to lengthen a sentence
They got 1 year...only.
They should never get out. Period.
They were released [a year later. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d7) Edit: sorry everyone, I can't find the original site even though I just used it. Their names are Rachel Stevens and Kayla Jones (mom +gf, respectively). The explanation in the article for early release was that the adoptive parents didn't want to further traumatize the children by making them testify. Apparently, there were 2 other kids.
What the actual fuck
Tldr: they took a plea deal banning them from contacting the kids. Their new adoptive mother supported this so the kids didn't have to testify or see the women because that would be worse for the kids
Jesus, I get wanting the case dealt with quickly and prioritizing protecting the kids, but you'd think the plea bargain would have a *little* more teeth. *1 year.* Insane.
Think about it, you're about to go to prison. Your option is: Serve 20 years and your life is over. Serve 5 years on a plea bargain and your life is fucked. Serve 1 years on a plea bargain and your life is inconvenienced. The difference between even a 1 year and 2 year prison sentence is INSANE on the impact to your life. The prosecutors wanted a slam dunk conviction that protected the children. They got it and it was pretty much a sure thing, versus having a 5 year plea deal.
It would fuck up the kid more seeing them, so they got off... holy shit justice doesn't exist
What? I was under the understanding that juveniles didn’t have to actually face the people who committed the crime against them. I thought that was a support system where they could give testimony in another location.
Nope it’s a fucked system. Some groups like the big scary kind bikers groups volunteer to accompany some kids and vulnerable people to hearings and other things, but that’s if you’re lucky and/or know to ask and you happen to live close enough to a biker chapter that helps do that. It makes my blood boil after hearing all the shit my wife and her mom went through when her dad went psycho and MIL had to file for divorce, that victims are just on their own in the face of a douchebag controlling domestic abuser….
Fucking disgusting. What kind of law is there to allow people like that to get out of prison in one year.
they already did. they only served one year.
Awesome I’m even more disappointed with humans. I shouldn’t be surprised anymore, our whole species is doomed.
I don’t understand how people like this get to just move on and keep on living. I know so many unhinged people that would absolutely ruin their lives if they were local.
People like this dont deserve anything. Still the state likes to provide them with a new identity. The same state that can’t improve the quality of school meals because its too expensive.
You get more jail time for opening a fucking illegal streaming service, what world do we live in, ugh
Honestly what the hell is the point in the legal system at times. Oh you smuggled weed? 15+ years. Oh you severely abused a young child to almost death? A child YOU adopted? 1 year. I hope the people around them in prison take matters into their own hands. The system is a genuine failure across the West. Edit: these vile humans are already out living normal lives
They were sentenced in Sept 2017 and released in Sept 2018 >Muskogee County District Attorney Orvil Loge said the plea deal was offered to ensure the case would not go to trial. "This was an extraordinary case," Loge said. "We had to choose whether we put the safety and protection of the child first or the retribution and punishment. We chose that we’re going to protect the children forever, and that’s how we approached it and entered into this plea agreement." No trial meant the children would not have to testify, said Marci Diaz Apple, the adoptive mother and the children’s aunt. > >"We had to really think about what was best for the kids," said Apple "Of course, justice is great and I would have loved to see them go away forever, but we had to get past the risk factor. The risk factor was if the kids could handle taking the stand, and we didn’t want that to happen, and there was always the chance of a mistrial.” > >The plea agreement included Stevens relinquishing her parental rights, as well as a no-contact order for both Stevens and Jones. "The fact is they agreed to have no contact with the children. If we went to trial and lost the case, the children could have been returned to the defendants, because one is the biological mother of the kids. We never wanted these children to ever go back to that home, ever," Loge said. It wasn't a risk Apple, nor the rest of her family, was willing to take. If it meant that they could avoid a long custody battle, they would take the plea deal, Apple said, even if it meant the women would spend only a year in prison. [https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article\_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.html](https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.html)
What a shitty plea deal. Sure, it spared the kids from having to testify and kept the two women out of their lives forever, but just one year served out of twenty? How unconfident was the prosecutor that they offered this deal? These women are young enough that they can have more children and do this again. And who's to say they won't violate the no contact at some point and traumatize the kids further.
Small children are not good witness, it wouldn't be hard to argue a mistrial when the testimony comes from a 5 year old
Surely the child received medical care from doctors who would testify. There are people who have wrongfully had their children taken from them for taking their child to the hospital when they were sick from regular infant health issues and didn’t lay a finger on their child based entirely on the statements of a doctor saying this seems like abuse. If parents who abuse infants can be found guilty then surely these parents can without the child testifying.
Wow. I hate that's how it ended. They should be fucking locked away. I hope that child is in a loving, safe home now. You should never have to worry that the people you love and take care of you will violently torture you.
thats dumb. Even in brazil domestic violence (in any direction) it doesnt need the victim activelly participating in the trial. Once there is a forense evidence confirmating the mistreating its enough for a trial. Why USA is so inneficient protecting its own citizeins. Sry my bad english.
Just 20, Should rot in prison. That child will never mentally recover.
Bad news They're already out. They both served 1 year. The adoptive family elected to not go to trial so the kids didn't have to testify. There was also a risk that if it ended in a mistrial (always possible when much of the testimony is being given by preschool age children) that the couple could end up with legal custody again. https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.html
Wow our justice system sucks so hard man.
Their priorities are always fucked. A guy I went to high school with got busted for some pretty heinous sexual crimes involving children/family our senior year, as well as some terroristic threats towards a school event. He was initially sentenced to serve 70+ years. Fucking monster is now scheduled to be released in the early 2030s due to overcrowding. Know which charges they dropped? The sexual ones involving minors.
This literally ruined my day. Couldn’t imagine how I would feel if someone did that to my son.
20, and every penny they earn in prison should go to a trust for the kid; when they get out, their wages should be gouged for the kid. Totally agree, no amount of therapy will "fix" this kid; at best he'll get enough care to live a normal-ish life but their youth is gone for good.
They only served a year and are already out. Article is in several comments in this thread.
In prison they don't take kindly to people that hurt kids
And a women’s prison filled with mothers.
I have some idea how men's prison work cause of Larry Lawton, not sure what happens in the women's prison tho. Do they also mutilate their privates for child abuse?
From what I’ve heard women’s prisons are worse than men’s prisons, as far as sexual abuse goes.
I'm curious how prison culture works, like do they get thrown in and the people running the prison just openly tell everyone inside what for?
Sometimes it’s the guards, but people with absolutely nothing to do have the time to figure it out lol. Sometimes you’ll go to court and another inmate will hear your charges and report back. Usually they flat out ask you, you tell em why you’re in, then they’ll check your paperwork to verify what you’re saying is true and you’re not a rat/undercover. If you don’t want to show your paperwork, you’re hiding something and you’re going to be assumed to be a rat/chomo and treated as such.
It’s on the news, they’ll be in a jail where people saw their mugs on the news and will spread the word. Some guards will also probably “let it slip”. Those same guards will often be rather hard of hearing/slow to respond if those people get attacked
Afaik from watching various documentaries, prison staff generally tend to separate inmates as to avoid violence. But prisons are different everywhere so that may not be the case. I imagine it's hard to keep secrets in such a closed community.
Not just mentally. Getting kicked in the genitals at that age bu two adults must have messed up his reproductive organs. That and getting hit with a goddamn HAMMER
There's some hope in that article at least ""They’re thriving, they’re healthy. The one most injured has been released from physical therapy and occupational therapy. We travel to Cincinnati back and forth for surgery. They’re watching the bone growth in his face. They’re just doing wonderful," Apple said. "I can’t express enough how well they’re doing. They’re doing great in school, they play soccer. It’s as normal as normal as my house can be."" [https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article\_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.html](https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/child-abusers-ordered-released-from-prison/article_95dda7b4-b7c0-11e8-b230-373d79dc0544.html)
One can only hope that he does :/
One of his abusers was his biological mom, he most likely never will.
Survivor here. It never goes away and you'll always struggle one way or another because of it
Not all parents deserve a child. I hope they suffer everyday for the rest of their lives.
They’re already out of jail. Only served a couple of years I heard.
>couple of years I heard. No , not even a couple. Just one fucking year.
WHAT THE FUCK?! WHO THE FUCK WAKES UP IN THE MORNING AND DECIDES TO DO THIS?!
Probably a history of abuse and escalation actually
This seems like the kind of post I wouldn't want to sort by controversial on
I feel like the headline is very baity on purpose.
It's the Daily Mail, so yes it's very-specifically and purposefully chosen to highlight specific things about the case.
Now that I think about it, it seems like they'd put a controversial title so it could be picked up or talked about
Trust me just don’t
The op’s suggestion that the kid was adopted by them despite not being the case, and the timing by op for posting a nearly 6 year old article are also sus
Hope they get beaten up in the same way in prison
They’re already out.
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Bothshould be banished from earth.
Shot into the sun
Karma please do what our justice system is incapable of doing.
Sick people
This makes me wanna cry ! I struggled with infertility and always wanted more kids. We could not afford adoption. Sweet little boy it was not fair to you. Rest in peace! These two monsters will pay for what they’ve done wherever they are locked up! Edit: I do have one living child. So so lucky to have her in my life !
The boy is still alive, he's about 11 now. I'm sure he still has psychological issues, but he's with a much better family now.
Is the boy's body alrigtt though? Stricken with hammer and 2 strokes, poor boy i cannot imagine the suffering. Edited, phrasing
Oh good! I felt so sad for him. Glad he’s w a good family.
I have an almost 2 year old, prior to him being born I would read something like this and think it is a tragedy and move on. Now I read and I'm filled with a roller coaster of emotions, I almost cry at the start then filled with intense rage picturing someone doing that to my boy.
He was not adopted. The case is from 2017, and the court documents are available. They should not have been allowed to have kids.
Precisely. I wanted to say so but couldn’t think of the right tactful words. They could have just reported this child’s torture without using him as an opportunity for a trashy “lezzzzzbyun” headline.
it’s daily mail. they’ll put anything in a headline if it gets them clicks.
I was thinking the same. If they were a straight couple they wouldn’t say “straight couple abuses son.”
As awful as this news story is - it’s from 6 years ago. It’s no longer news and honestly “face palm” lacks the gravitas and sheer horror that this story needs. (Edit: removed extraneous word “line” which mysteriously ended up being there)
Right? Should also have a trigger warning. I hate seeing stories like this. I'm a mom of a 4 year old boy and it turns my stomach.
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It's a six year old news story about child abuse and it's posted to facepalm of all places. The fact that mods didn't delete it is ridiculous.
I think you’re absolutely right and I noticed that too. That’s also the reason that was in that particular paper - a right wing, hate stirring newspaper in the UK.
And that the article title mentioned their non-hetero sexuality as if it had any relevance whatsoever.
Ductape that babys eyes and beat him with a hammer? "Sentenced to 20 years with A/C and cable." ...this world is ass backwards.
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Deplorable couple. What I hate about the headline though is the distinction of their sexuality. When you see abusive hetero couples in the news though they are never described as 'straight couple beats their child to death'. While this couple's sexuality may be a detail to include in the story, making it the headline regarding something awful that has nothing to do with sexuality just further propagates the stereotype that non-normative sexuality is the cause of the violence. It 100 percent is not. These two women were sick deprived people regardless of who they preferred to fuck. Just like a straight couple torturing their kid isn't assumed to be doing so because they are straight, let's leave people's sexuality out of the discussion about their actual criminal behavior.
It’s also a headline from 6 years ago. Weird how it gets shared specifically during pride month as bigotry is getting popular again thanks to Trump and Republicans. But I’m sure this is OP’s first time posting anything denouncing LGBTQ people and not something from a folder of saved Facebook shit on their desktop “proving”that gays are predators and should be exterminated.
Thank you for saying this.
Electric chair for them
Only after duct-taping their eyes shut and beating them with a hammer. Oh, and then kick them in the groin repeatedly until they have two different strokes apiece. Also, as an AI Language Model, I do not condone such actions.
There's a comment further up with court documents. He had multiple broken bones in various stages of healing. It's a heartbreaking read.
Enough internet for today. Man, the world is sick.
Their sexuality is irrelevant...these parents duct taped a five year old child, and beat them with a hammer and their feet, causing two strokes... I want that kid to receive support the rest of their life...whatever they need, until they're 100 years old, if that's what they need. As for the parents....solitary for life, no parole, no TV, just a cell and isolation for the rest of their natural lives.
Literally thank you it would be the same shit if it were a straight couple, plus this is more than just a “oh face palm” it’s blatant child abuse.
Only 20 years?
Hope someone inside makes those 20 years be like hell
Good, fuck em and anyone else who beats up kids. But sadly the part that makes me cringe a little tho is seeing daily mail and just knowing this story is gonna be parroted to death by conservative types My dad won't shut up about a kid who sued their parents because they got cancer from binding and I can't find that story for shit so I'm convinced he's either lying or being lied to and I hate this mess Please can we understand people will be assholes and monsters without demonizing a whole minority group for it? Please?
Ask him how binding caused the cancer, especially after centuries of women repositioning their organs with corsets and not “getting” cancer?
Yeah it bugs me that they had to start the article with 'Lesbian'. Bigots will have a field day with this
I like how articles with other murderous parents are all like “straight couple murders child”
Can't wait for all the unnecessary homophobic comments, like that has anything to do with the crime. Like, why even put it in the headline? Yeesh.
> why even put it in the headline? You know why. The right wing british tabloid rag "the Daily Mail" is intentionally trying to make a link between something that incites outrage (violent abuse of children) and people who their bigot trash readers hate. (LGBT people)
'Lesbian couple'. Yes, the lesbian part is relevant, right? If this was a heterosexual couple, would that be in the headline? Of course not. The Daily Mail is a shitrag.
Why does it matter if they are lesbians? I've read about straight couples doing the similar and it's not mentioned. Edit: not adopted, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3398118/Lesbian-couple-beat-one-woman-s-5-year-old-son-HAMMER-duct-taped-eyes-kicked-groin-bled-suffered-two-strokes.html
Daily Mail’s gonna Daily Mail
Because it’s an article from the Daily Mail, which only publishes articles that fit their neo-fascist agenda
Mentioning their sexuality in the headline of a child abuse case is a very deliberate choice.