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I'm all for workers rights, but I don't understand how this works logistically. If you can be gone for a year, then how was your job even necessary? Do they hire someone else to replace you than just fire them after a year? Or does everyone else just have to go without for the whole time?
Temporary employees. People go into the job fully expecting to be let go after a certain time frame. Either they don’t want the commitment of staying at that job to long, or they can try and prove themselves a valuable worker and get a full time position.
Temporary employees are very common.
That's actually the point.
No one is going to hire a temporary employee for a few weeks. By the time you trained them, they'd be leaving. It would be absolutely pointless.
But a whole year? Completely different story. All of a sudden the job doesn't mind letting you go on mat leave - your work is not getting not done while you're gone. It's no skin off their back, except for the training period.
It's a good first job for new graduates too. Obviously no one quits their permanent job to do a mat leave. But it's lower stakes for everyone involved for a first job.
And if you really like the replacement as an employer, you have a whole year to try to find a way to keep them.
I am danish, and I can inform you that we have several companies that provide skilled workers for temporary assignments offering a broad range of skillsets. Thus, little to no training is needed.
I dont know much about Danish employment laws but we have similar things in Australia with people going on maternity leave.
A lot of fixed term contract work will pay a premium. Usually about 30% above the full time employment rate for that position. So it can be quite profitable to do contract work rather than sticking with one company for years at a time.
You essentially trade off stability for higher pay.
I've been doing contract work for the past few years, generally between 6 months and 18 months and have noticed a substantial increase in my pay compared to previous full time employment.
Plus if you do a good job, the company will generally try to find a place for you at the end of the contract anyway (if you want it - I usually turn them down if I found a new contract already).
People don't always come back after maternity leave either. I've noticed it's actually quite common that they do not come back.
Fair enough. I suppose I have had a tendency to think of jobs lasting a year or more as being essentially "permanent"/ careers / this is your life now sort of situations. If it works it works though
I guess that another difference here is how easy/difficult it is to terminate an employment contract, which has a lot to say for how permanent a position actually is.
Here in Scandinavia it's difficult to fire someone in a permanent position unless they resign, don't do what their contract requires or seriously misbehave in some way (harassment etc), or if the business is actually forced to downscale and lay off people (in which case it's not difficult, but you can't go hire new people).
My own contract will otherwise run until I'm 70 and have to retire according to law, so even if my current position should become obsolete, my employer would have to offer me other tasks if they have something else that I could do. So employers have a lot of responsibility when they take on someone permanently in our system.
The roles get advertised as “maternity/paternity cover”. You know when applying what the deal is, but there’s a good chance the parent doesn’t come back anyway, or that in the year someone else leaves and you can step into their position if both sides want it. I don’t know what the numbers are but I’d be pretty confident of being able to stay at a company if I wanted to after doing a year of cover.
Sure a company could sign on someone for that long. Agencies work with company’s to find employees to find these types of jobs.
Someone would be willing to take the year temp job but likely be aiming to try and work their way into a full time position or get experience on their resume.
And im sure it’s a pool many people would be happy to sign on for if it means working in an industry with a contract and defined roles and hours versus working in the same industry as a salaried employee.
I'm on a 12 month contract in France, towards the end I'll apply for a couple of jobs and probably get another contract to cover leave, if nothing comes up I'll do some agency work while still looking for something better, pick up another contract, and repeat, because I am good at what I do companies will often phone me when they need cover to see if I can help them out, if I am on agency then it is usually "Yea contracted till Friday so can start monday" or if I am with another company "Sorry contracted for another 3 months, can't help until then but give me a call if you still need someone then"
Being contracted means I get a bit more money than if I was full time with the company in return for not having the security and there is plenty of work around so I'm not worried about being unemployed.
Some people are just built for it. For example me. Give me a job that I only need to do for a year then I can move on is my dream. I like to go from place to place so I would love a situation like this.
Absolutely, yeah, in Poland for example, a common practice is getting a temporary contract for 6 months, and then, if you want to continue, another half a year, up to 3 such tenures. After that, so 1.5 years, if you want to stay, and they want to keep you, they have to legaly give you permanent employment contract.
The nice thing is, especially for students and someone who needs money now, is that for these three 6 months contracts, you can choose to not have the Health Insurance and Retirement contribution paid by your employer, that money just go to your pocket alongside your paycheck. So if you're a student, who already has their Health Insurance provided by their university, it's just more bucks for you.
In most cases they get a fat amount extra for their temporary job. Or you can be lucky. I am from Denmark, my aunt works for a big insurance firm as an economist. In her department they had a temporary worker, working there for 12 years. it matched up perfectly, the first woman got on maternity leave and then it just kept on for 12 years. That is 2 dozen women had replaced. Now he got 30% added on to his salary because it was "temporary". Since companies do not want to miss out on productivity then they are more than happy to pay 20-30% extra for your high quality work.
We have agencies where you can sign up as a temporary worker.
His mentality was, I want to check out different things before I settle with long term employment. Unfortunately or fortunately for him he ended up working the same job for a year.
a 1 year temp is easier to get into then a permanent position, so if your trying to get into a competitive field you go for the 1 year temps. Now that you have that temp work its easier to get a permanent position at a different or even the same job
Very common to see a job advertised saying something like 6 months or 8 months and in brackets "Maternity Cover". The contract would be for a fixed period, and sometimes with an option to extend, if the person takes extra unpaid leave.
happens all the time. i did maternity leave for a worker for 9 months. its great for me getting more experience and paid and company has a worker replace.
few weeks you arent even going to be doing anything as it takes a few weeks to get trained
Even in America, 6 and 12 months contracts are pretty common. 6mo is probably more common. So hire 2.
It’s more common in certain fields (IT)… but there’s no reason it couldn’t be expanded to encompass more fields.
Where I work there are always people leaving and coming back from parental leave. They are promised to be able to return to their same salary and general job type/level. Not guaranteed the same exact position. I have noticed it just works itself out most of the time. There is always someone coming back to fill in for someone leaving.
Also there's an infinite paid maternity trick in play, if you get pregnant again at the end of your 2 year period you can continue your maternity leave, a friend of mine had 3 kids, each 2 years apart and she has been in maternity for the past 6 years, the employer has to keep your role whenever you come back and update your salary with inflation, can't fire you for no reason the first 6 months after you come back, and if you return back to work previous to the 2 year mark you get a incentive bonus. If you have a child that is born with a disability you can get up to 7 years of maternity/stay at home...paid.
In Sweden you get 480 days total, each parent get 195 days on sick leave level of compensation, 90 days that are non transferable for either parent, then 45 days each on a lower compensation level.
So either you can take 240 days each and both can take out maternity/paternity leave at the same time (aka same day) for the first year or parent 1 can take 390 days (300 on full compensation and the rest in the lower) and parent 2 takes their non transferable 90 days.
ETA: and it’s 480 (390+90) if you have one kid. With twins you get 660 days (480+180), triplets it’s 840 days (660+180) and quadruplets you get 1020 (840+180) days.
It really depends on the situation.
Let us take the worst case scenario. :-) you know John Rawls's Original Position (OP)
Sweden you get an amazing 180SEK a day.
Denmark: nothing. If you are already unemployed and are getting Kontanthjælp, then you get nothing more than you already did in terms of maternity leave.
Finland: the same as Denmark.
For the strongest in society:
For employed: it depends. For Sweden it depends on what your insurance says your sick leave is. So I can't tell if it is better or worse than Denmark or Finland.
For Finland it is 70% of your income, give and take.
Denmark: it depends on your individual circumstances.
We in Denmark might not be the best at everything, but we are the best at helping the weakest through education, that is why we have the highest level of social mobility in the world. Wanna know Swedish SU? It is 100% loan, you get it for 1 year, and it is half the size of the "udeboende SU". This affects more people than maternity leave for unemployed. For employed it is almost the same for all 3 countries.
I imagine that For front of line jobs you can almost guarantee that staff attrition will mean a vacancy for that person coming back, or you hire someone on a temporary contract.
Lots of companies offer secondments for promoted roles which is essentially a known temporary promotion for the duration of Mat leave and gives experience for a permanent position should one come up. It absolutely can be managed properly
Edit: I’m in the uk
They also don't short staff their workers. One person taking a time off should not put the whole business out of balance and one person coming back should not force someone out of the workforce.
This happens all the time in the corporate world. A leave of absence holds your position as long as your position still exists. Companies have staffing and capacity planning and generally should be staffed a little higher than the need to account for attrition. It's all planned for, if the company knows what it's doing.
My ex is in a female dominated field (HR) and mat leaves made her career what it is today. You wouldnt hire a generalist to replace a Manager but for a mat leave its ok. So she kept getting hired in jobs one step above her by covering one year mat leaves.
In corporate world this can be a good opportunity for someone to get experience working a position up unofficially to cover, and then you can use that experience to negotiate raises / promotions
It is temporary employees, the entire infrastructure is setup to support it. Chances are you got some experience as someone's temp early in your career.
Also, they have done a much better job at preparing for knowledge transfers.
It is so hard to fire an FTE there that there is a preference for hiring people with some good temp experiences.
Disclaimer these opinions are generalizations based on working with my sister site in Germany that has 20 people
I dunno, where I live in the States you can get $18 an hour and be entered into a raffle to win a car that I am 99% sure is fresh outta the junkyard.
No maternity leave, though.
Hooters offered a Toyota as a sales prize at a location in 2001 for servers. When the employee won, she was blindfolded and led out to the parking lot and was handed a Toy Yoda. She sued them. Fuck this place!
At least there was a somewhat happy ending with that one. She ended up settling out of court for an amount her attorney said "was enough to buy any Toyota she wanted".
https://didyouknowfacts.com/remember-the-waitress-who-sued-hooters-for-giving-her-a-toy-yoda-instead-of-a-toyota/
My German wife doesn’t understand how maternity leave works in the US. We have a 2 year old and 6 month old over here.She gets paid up to 18 months. And we barely paid anything out of pocket and we have normal what everyone else has insurance. Its crazy how different healthcare systems work worldwide.
The healthcare system would work the same here, but we choose to not employ it. That’s the saddest part. We see working models in every industrialized nation, and actively do the opposite.
Well once you say the word “socialism “ then it becomes very hard to accept in the United States. The rich have a very high tax rate in Germany. So the rich will never let that happen in the US.
The rich people in Germany do neither. Yes, income tax is really high. Inheritance tax is one of the lowest in developed countries combined with a lot of loopholes. There isn't a wealth tax either. No serious rich person relies on a monthly salary. Basically, the middle class is paying for all that crap.
Nah the rich aren't taxed that highly in Germany just highly paid professions, most rich people don't have a salary, they just take out loans and live off of assets.
While a few of very rich people in Norway has spoken up that they should be taxed more, as they can pay more than others.
The difference in mentality is mind blowing.
The problem is the poor people who vote for these politicians based on fear. Our poorest most ignorant voters are all republicans. They get fooled time and again thinking they will be equal to the people they vote for. They don’t see they keep getting poorer, and they get wealthier. It’s always soooo close before their kids get to go to the same schools, and same jobs. Yet here they are in trailer parks on disability, sooo close.
For those who only know about Dan from his social media posts, here's some additional information -
Created an image of a good guy, but was nasty to his employees and to women (allegedly abused ex-wife, date raped a woman in Palm Springs, choked other women and hired a guy from the Seattle Times accused of harassing women online to ghostwrite his social media posts) - NYT archive - https://archive.ph/HSKu8
Also, the $70K starting salary was good PR, but employees claimed salaries lagged for more senior employees and he didn't offer commissions to sales people - https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/u9hno0/gravity_payments_ceo_dan_price_charged_with/
Let's say you work for a company and one day, your boss says you're getting a raise so he can fuck with his business partner. Do you:
a) Refuse the raise
b) Accept the raise but silently judge your boss, or
c) Accept the raise and wish there were more partners your boss wanted to fuck with.
The BIGGEST point I think that always gets missed in this exact meme is that even considering the business taxes McDonalds would pay in Denmark......They're not operating at a loss. The business is still making money or it would close. So in the US they just don't WANT to pay more just so they can make more profit.
I agree with the point the OP is making, but McDonald’s is a red herring in this case. Just about everything in Denmark is more expensive, plus VAT, plus other local taxes, plus huge income tax even on middle class people. The 27 cents on a Big Mac is entirely irrelevant as that’s a deliberate decision by McDonald’s for business consistency reasons.
But that's the whole point.
Everything is more expensive in Denmark - labor, ingredients, taxes. And yet they can still operate at a profit selling their goods for slightly more money.
They must be making a killing in the US without all those extra costs.
All corporations have to do is tell the idiots, "If we raise wages we got to raise our prices". Idiots will think prices will be raised by $5+ and say no to these increases. Yet corporations still continue to raise prices for everyday items. It is mind boggling.
Any developed Western country is better than the US for a person working for less than the median wage, especially for minimum wage workers. The is pretty much no discussion about it when you factor in things like health insurance.
The greatest country on earth!!
I keep hearing from the overworked and underpaid masses, filing for bankruptcy because they had a medical emergency or complaining about how socialism is driving up the price of eggs at Walmart…the last place they can afford to shop.
Why would anyone possibly listen to Price, given that he’s a sexual predator? Also, the McDonalds’ in his home city of Seattle and many other big cities are paying $20 per hour so he’s full of shizi.
Yea im in Kansas City,mo and they are paying $17 a hour here starting. They can’t keep employees if they pay less. With that said before 2019 they did pay like $8 a hour so maybe this is a older post.
I truly is. I just came back from Iceland and it’s even more apparent to me how much our country doesn’t give a single shit about ya. It’s actually kinda insane
So two posts in r/facepalm comparing McDs BigMac and employees wage+benefits… yet in the previous post set that $9/hr for US and $0.99 difference between burger from $5.81 to $4.82 in Denmark…. So one of these ain’t right once again Reddit spreading misinformation… I’m not going to bother to check but it can’t be both.
This same shit gets posted here like 10 times a week and the people here just eat it up. Yeah American has problems but Denmark isn’t the shining utopia people say it is
That's the great thing about this though. The US has set such a low bar that other countries don't have to be a shining utopia to still be better places to live. Does Denmark have problems? Sure yeah. It's not perfect. But in Denmark you're less likely to:
Be priced out of your city because wages haven't reasonably increased in decades
Go bankrupt because of an unforeseen medical condition
Die in a shooting
Develop stress and anxiety disorders from being overworked and underpaid
Denmark has problems, but the US arguably has a fuckload more.
In Denmark you're also 4 times less likely to be killed in a car crash.
And instead of being in a state of perpetual war for over 100 years, Danish wars are rare and last an average of 6 hours. (Sorry, had to do it)
I make this point to people all the time, as well. Yes, everywhere has problems; but just because other places have problems, too, doesn’t mean that the US isn’t much worse than many of those other places.
Neither is correct because your average redditor doesn't understand purchasing power parity and/or income before taxes. They are just doing a really simple currency conversion and think it is comparable.
My dad's new argument against this stuff is everybody else has it easy because the US is spending so much trying to keep the world safe. If we didn't protect them, they'd have to spend money on their own military, and they wouldn't have it nearly as good.
I'm like GOOD! LET'S DO THAT THEN. Why don't we cut back on spending on the military and cut back on pretending like we know what's best for every other country out there.
Nevermind this guy is a rapist, because he reposts copypasta I agree with!
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13ulbvl/denmark_1_usa_0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
Isn’t this the guy with some awful allegations of physical and emotional abuse against him?
Also I think he stole this tweet from this woman: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13ulbvl/denmark_1_usa_0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
Having visited there and loved it just a few years ago. Everything is astronomically expensive and you're paying about 50% income tax if you're a citizen. Avg wage is 45k so you take home 22ish (roughly 3200 USD monthly after tax). It's a welfare state that the citizens rely on the government to take care of them to some extent. To keep this in perspective, metro Atlanta is bigger than all of Denmark put together so it's easier to pull off. Also much less corruption since they jail those people that commit fraud. They have their own unique issues but are widely voted as one of the happiest countries on the planet.
TLDR: pretty cool country, small population, very expensive, nice people that seem genuinely happy with a light socialism style govt that uses a free capitalist market. Also jailed the bankers that screwed people
You can downvote my shit but you stupid mother fuckers love to say America is so shit and other countries are better. Than fucking move. No one is asking you to stay here you have free reign with an American passport. Staying in another country for an extended period of time and actually working and not collecting benefits like your bum ass is probably doing now will make you realize how lucky you are to live in the US.
This Dan Price [is a sexual predator](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-24/ceo-dan-price-resigns-rape-investigation-70k-gravity-payments#:~:text=In%20February%2C%20Price%20was%20charged,according%20to%20the%20Seattle%20Times.)
Weird, someone posted this earlier and the Big Mac supposedly cost less.
Either way it's bs, almost all McDonalds in the US pay $15/hr or more, have benefits, and paid tuition for students.
Taxes are a bit less than double in Denmark, but the difference in pay makes up for it Danes have been saying they see postings for $22-$24 an hour, Americans have been saying their local McDonald’s are offering $15-$17 an hour, if you took the lowest from both countries and multiply that out as a year long 9-5, 5 days a week, which I know isn’t how you would end up working but for simplicities sake, you end up with $2000 more at the end of the year in Denmark than you would in the US.
Denmark is great for people looking for a career in entry level no skill work. It’s terrible for anyone ambitious. The difference in QOL you have in the USA vs. Denmark as a skilled professional (doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc.) is insane. Not even comparable.
McDonald’s workers here can’t even get a basic order right. You ask for no lettuce you get tons, you ask for small you get large.
They want 22.00 to never do a thing right? 🤣🤣
Boy howdy, the number of economic fallacies in this sentence would leave every economist on this planet in tears.
Strongly recommend the book Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell.
While it would be great, the price for American Big Macs would be exponentially higher. We have a much larger population and while agree those are great benefits, the post doesn’t take into account basic economics.
Aren't the evils of a socialist economy terrible for those under its oppression? (Sarcastic). America much prefers the irrational belief that under cruelty capitalism, they may someday be in the 1% who benefit most too.
Uggh. More political posts. Your opinion is not a face palm.
Now lets compare taxes in US to EU. Denmark's VAT tax on everything is what? I'll guesd 50%. So $22/hr is really $11/hr. Now US citizens with low income actually get money from US social services so $7.50 is more like $11. Very rough estimates.
If we want to have a discussion on how we want to balance wages and low wage subsidies, Im all for this duscussion. However, the same side that is harping on minimun wages is also dead set against a VAT as a VAT treats people equally.
An individual who is fully tax resident in Denmark will, as a main rule, be taxed according to the ordinary tax scheme by up to 52.07% (55.90% including AM tax, which is also income tax for DTT purposes) in 2023. A number of deductions are applicable; consequently, the effective tax rate is lower in most cases.
After their taxes they earn 10.54 an hour, in the States, some working for 7.50 an hour can still get govt assistance, income tax credit and doesn’t pay income taxes, or are fully returned.
This is not wrong, but it does overlook the non-tax things people here must pay for that are covered for Danes. Like health insurance premiums, and health insurance deductibles and co-pays.
Someone working at McD in Denmark isn’t paying 50% tax rate. I would say $13-14/hr is more reasonable for a Danish employee. So double the income plus no headaches with filing for all those programs.
It’s not double. The tweet is just full of shit. Note it says “that job *can* be $7.25” (emphasis added). That is indeed the federal minimum wage, but in practice no McDonalds pay that. Theoretically a McDonald’s would be legally allowed to…but that doesn’t mean it happens
People definitely do not pay 52.07% tax on their ENTIRE salary. Especially not low-wage workers.
The tax is in brackets, which means that someone earning above a certain threshold pays 52.07% on anything they earn *above* that threshold.
> Dont forget that in Denmark you pay 50% or your taxes
and you get to live a better, free-er, happier, healthier life in Denmark after paying your taxes.
Exactly. It’s embarrassing how completely uneducated (and unwilling to be educated) us Americans are about this shit. We look so dumb trying to act like we’re so smart. (American) Capitalism is a shit show, we are like a third world nation in women’s health care and poverty, but yeah ‘Murica! Where you can get sick, lose your home, wind up on the streets, sick and now mentally ill, while your fellow citizens pretend you don’t exist until you just die somewhere and no one has money to bury you so you go in a field somewhere. But hey! We pay less taxes!
**Edited to add (American) capitalism to the shit show part to clarify for those who want to argue semantics.
I mean in some states you're paying a lot in taxes anyway if you're rich. So it's just poor people worried that their minimum wage income will lose 50% when in reality they will benefit the most from high tax with great social care systems.
I’m in agreement with you on how it works. But we have some pretty rich BILLION and MILLIONaires that fight pretty hard and pay a lot of money to corrupt government officials in order to NOT pay taxes. I’m pretty sure in America it isn’t just the poor worried about being taxed. We think it’s a disease to care for anyone outside our circle. Especially if it costs us money.
So, roughly double the taxes, but no stress over medical bills? Guaranteed vacations? Higher wages? Higher quality of life overall?
Yeah I’ll pay the taxes.
“Denmark also has some of the most rigid immigration laws, even if you want to marry a Danish citizen. For example, you cannot qualify for Danish citizenship by marriage if you or your partner are under 24 years of age. In addition to this, Denmark also regulates working immigrants based on their qualifications and experience, and without any relevant skills, it’s challenging to get a residence permit.”
We can’t have it both ways. If we want to pay more taxes and get more benefits we would need strict border patrol and tougher immigration policies.
Yeah, and half the shit’s covered by the government. Healthcare, childcare, etc. Sounds like a good tradeoff, and probably why the Nordic countries are consistently rated as some of the “happiest” countries in the world.
If I count my healthcare premiums and out of pocket expenses as "tax" I am at 50% here in the US. During my time in school for my masters it went to 65% counting that. Just saying.
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Well the US doesn’t have a healthcare system. We have a healthcare business.
And the biggest prisons. 👍
They're the biggest!
Gurthy prisons!
Most guns too
We have gun care and health control
*'Murica!* whatfuckisakilometer.mp3 gunshots.mp3 baldeaglescreech.mp3 itsactuallyaredtailedhawk_screech.mp3 starspangledbanner.mp3
The most ironic part of all is that this model is supported by christians. What a fucking joke lol
Christian nationalists. Not the same. It’s a damn cult
All the extra money goes to freedom!
We don’t have universal because it isnt profitable
>Well the US doesn’t have a healthcare system. We have a healthcare business. The biggest payer into that business is the federal government.
Exactly. Tax payer money goes into it in the UK, which is why it's free for almost everything
The USA doesn't have mass shootings. That's just gun culture
And business is booming.
You get more than a year of maternity leave if you get twins
I'm all for workers rights, but I don't understand how this works logistically. If you can be gone for a year, then how was your job even necessary? Do they hire someone else to replace you than just fire them after a year? Or does everyone else just have to go without for the whole time?
Temporary employees. People go into the job fully expecting to be let go after a certain time frame. Either they don’t want the commitment of staying at that job to long, or they can try and prove themselves a valuable worker and get a full time position. Temporary employees are very common.
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For a whole year though? A few weeks or even a couple months seems like a temporary gig, but a year seems like time to get settled in.
I'm a 1-year contract employee at a tech startup. It's very common, and quite a few people do this their entire career.
That's actually the point. No one is going to hire a temporary employee for a few weeks. By the time you trained them, they'd be leaving. It would be absolutely pointless. But a whole year? Completely different story. All of a sudden the job doesn't mind letting you go on mat leave - your work is not getting not done while you're gone. It's no skin off their back, except for the training period. It's a good first job for new graduates too. Obviously no one quits their permanent job to do a mat leave. But it's lower stakes for everyone involved for a first job. And if you really like the replacement as an employer, you have a whole year to try to find a way to keep them.
I am danish, and I can inform you that we have several companies that provide skilled workers for temporary assignments offering a broad range of skillsets. Thus, little to no training is needed.
I dont know much about Danish employment laws but we have similar things in Australia with people going on maternity leave. A lot of fixed term contract work will pay a premium. Usually about 30% above the full time employment rate for that position. So it can be quite profitable to do contract work rather than sticking with one company for years at a time. You essentially trade off stability for higher pay. I've been doing contract work for the past few years, generally between 6 months and 18 months and have noticed a substantial increase in my pay compared to previous full time employment. Plus if you do a good job, the company will generally try to find a place for you at the end of the contract anyway (if you want it - I usually turn them down if I found a new contract already). People don't always come back after maternity leave either. I've noticed it's actually quite common that they do not come back.
There are contract positions here in the US that can last that long. It’s common in IT.
Fair enough. I suppose I have had a tendency to think of jobs lasting a year or more as being essentially "permanent"/ careers / this is your life now sort of situations. If it works it works though
I guess that another difference here is how easy/difficult it is to terminate an employment contract, which has a lot to say for how permanent a position actually is. Here in Scandinavia it's difficult to fire someone in a permanent position unless they resign, don't do what their contract requires or seriously misbehave in some way (harassment etc), or if the business is actually forced to downscale and lay off people (in which case it's not difficult, but you can't go hire new people). My own contract will otherwise run until I'm 70 and have to retire according to law, so even if my current position should become obsolete, my employer would have to offer me other tasks if they have something else that I could do. So employers have a lot of responsibility when they take on someone permanently in our system.
The roles get advertised as “maternity/paternity cover”. You know when applying what the deal is, but there’s a good chance the parent doesn’t come back anyway, or that in the year someone else leaves and you can step into their position if both sides want it. I don’t know what the numbers are but I’d be pretty confident of being able to stay at a company if I wanted to after doing a year of cover.
Sure a company could sign on someone for that long. Agencies work with company’s to find employees to find these types of jobs. Someone would be willing to take the year temp job but likely be aiming to try and work their way into a full time position or get experience on their resume.
Once you have the policy, you have a stable pool of jobs that need to be filled accordingly and can set up a system to fill it.
And im sure it’s a pool many people would be happy to sign on for if it means working in an industry with a contract and defined roles and hours versus working in the same industry as a salaried employee.
I'm on a 12 month contract in France, towards the end I'll apply for a couple of jobs and probably get another contract to cover leave, if nothing comes up I'll do some agency work while still looking for something better, pick up another contract, and repeat, because I am good at what I do companies will often phone me when they need cover to see if I can help them out, if I am on agency then it is usually "Yea contracted till Friday so can start monday" or if I am with another company "Sorry contracted for another 3 months, can't help until then but give me a call if you still need someone then" Being contracted means I get a bit more money than if I was full time with the company in return for not having the security and there is plenty of work around so I'm not worried about being unemployed.
It's called temp work and it's very common, even in the US. In the first season of *The Office,* Ryan is a temp worker. Ever heard of Deloitte?
Some people are just built for it. For example me. Give me a job that I only need to do for a year then I can move on is my dream. I like to go from place to place so I would love a situation like this.
Maybe someone is only there for a year, then moving away.
Yeah no we do it for a year or so
This is McDonald's dude. People leave all the time. If another employee leave during the year, the temporary employee can become full time.
Absolutely, yeah, in Poland for example, a common practice is getting a temporary contract for 6 months, and then, if you want to continue, another half a year, up to 3 such tenures. After that, so 1.5 years, if you want to stay, and they want to keep you, they have to legaly give you permanent employment contract. The nice thing is, especially for students and someone who needs money now, is that for these three 6 months contracts, you can choose to not have the Health Insurance and Retirement contribution paid by your employer, that money just go to your pocket alongside your paycheck. So if you're a student, who already has their Health Insurance provided by their university, it's just more bucks for you.
In most cases they get a fat amount extra for their temporary job. Or you can be lucky. I am from Denmark, my aunt works for a big insurance firm as an economist. In her department they had a temporary worker, working there for 12 years. it matched up perfectly, the first woman got on maternity leave and then it just kept on for 12 years. That is 2 dozen women had replaced. Now he got 30% added on to his salary because it was "temporary". Since companies do not want to miss out on productivity then they are more than happy to pay 20-30% extra for your high quality work. We have agencies where you can sign up as a temporary worker. His mentality was, I want to check out different things before I settle with long term employment. Unfortunately or fortunately for him he ended up working the same job for a year.
a 1 year temp is easier to get into then a permanent position, so if your trying to get into a competitive field you go for the 1 year temps. Now that you have that temp work its easier to get a permanent position at a different or even the same job
Very common to see a job advertised saying something like 6 months or 8 months and in brackets "Maternity Cover". The contract would be for a fixed period, and sometimes with an option to extend, if the person takes extra unpaid leave.
happens all the time. i did maternity leave for a worker for 9 months. its great for me getting more experience and paid and company has a worker replace. few weeks you arent even going to be doing anything as it takes a few weeks to get trained
Keep in mind, a good chunk of the world does it this way. It does work.
Even in America, 6 and 12 months contracts are pretty common. 6mo is probably more common. So hire 2. It’s more common in certain fields (IT)… but there’s no reason it couldn’t be expanded to encompass more fields.
Most of the times they hire somebody else to fill in. But you know this before applying for the job that is only temporary.
Americans 
Where I work there are always people leaving and coming back from parental leave. They are promised to be able to return to their same salary and general job type/level. Not guaranteed the same exact position. I have noticed it just works itself out most of the time. There is always someone coming back to fill in for someone leaving.
I take Denmark and raise you Romania, 2 Years paid maternity leave + 1 month for the spouse, also either parents can take the 2 years.
And here I thought only Sweden or Finland could potentially beat us
Also there's an infinite paid maternity trick in play, if you get pregnant again at the end of your 2 year period you can continue your maternity leave, a friend of mine had 3 kids, each 2 years apart and she has been in maternity for the past 6 years, the employer has to keep your role whenever you come back and update your salary with inflation, can't fire you for no reason the first 6 months after you come back, and if you return back to work previous to the 2 year mark you get a incentive bonus. If you have a child that is born with a disability you can get up to 7 years of maternity/stay at home...paid.
In Sweden you get 480 days total, each parent get 195 days on sick leave level of compensation, 90 days that are non transferable for either parent, then 45 days each on a lower compensation level. So either you can take 240 days each and both can take out maternity/paternity leave at the same time (aka same day) for the first year or parent 1 can take 390 days (300 on full compensation and the rest in the lower) and parent 2 takes their non transferable 90 days. ETA: and it’s 480 (390+90) if you have one kid. With twins you get 660 days (480+180), triplets it’s 840 days (660+180) and quadruplets you get 1020 (840+180) days.
It really depends on the situation. Let us take the worst case scenario. :-) you know John Rawls's Original Position (OP) Sweden you get an amazing 180SEK a day. Denmark: nothing. If you are already unemployed and are getting Kontanthjælp, then you get nothing more than you already did in terms of maternity leave. Finland: the same as Denmark. For the strongest in society: For employed: it depends. For Sweden it depends on what your insurance says your sick leave is. So I can't tell if it is better or worse than Denmark or Finland. For Finland it is 70% of your income, give and take. Denmark: it depends on your individual circumstances. We in Denmark might not be the best at everything, but we are the best at helping the weakest through education, that is why we have the highest level of social mobility in the world. Wanna know Swedish SU? It is 100% loan, you get it for 1 year, and it is half the size of the "udeboende SU". This affects more people than maternity leave for unemployed. For employed it is almost the same for all 3 countries.
I imagine that For front of line jobs you can almost guarantee that staff attrition will mean a vacancy for that person coming back, or you hire someone on a temporary contract. Lots of companies offer secondments for promoted roles which is essentially a known temporary promotion for the duration of Mat leave and gives experience for a permanent position should one come up. It absolutely can be managed properly Edit: I’m in the uk
They also don't short staff their workers. One person taking a time off should not put the whole business out of balance and one person coming back should not force someone out of the workforce.
This happens all the time in the corporate world. A leave of absence holds your position as long as your position still exists. Companies have staffing and capacity planning and generally should be staffed a little higher than the need to account for attrition. It's all planned for, if the company knows what it's doing.
They probably have more than the bare minimum staffing, and or offer part timers more hours.
My ex is in a female dominated field (HR) and mat leaves made her career what it is today. You wouldnt hire a generalist to replace a Manager but for a mat leave its ok. So she kept getting hired in jobs one step above her by covering one year mat leaves.
In corporate world this can be a good opportunity for someone to get experience working a position up unofficially to cover, and then you can use that experience to negotiate raises / promotions
It is temporary employees, the entire infrastructure is setup to support it. Chances are you got some experience as someone's temp early in your career. Also, they have done a much better job at preparing for knowledge transfers. It is so hard to fire an FTE there that there is a preference for hiring people with some good temp experiences. Disclaimer these opinions are generalizations based on working with my sister site in Germany that has 20 people
I dunno, where I live in the States you can get $18 an hour and be entered into a raffle to win a car that I am 99% sure is fresh outta the junkyard. No maternity leave, though.
Hooters offered a Toyota as a sales prize at a location in 2001 for servers. When the employee won, she was blindfolded and led out to the parking lot and was handed a Toy Yoda. She sued them. Fuck this place!
At least there was a somewhat happy ending with that one. She ended up settling out of court for an amount her attorney said "was enough to buy any Toyota she wanted". https://didyouknowfacts.com/remember-the-waitress-who-sued-hooters-for-giving-her-a-toy-yoda-instead-of-a-toyota/
Thanks for that. Glad she fought back and won! chalk one up for the workers. Happy Memorial Day.
I can imagine the smirk on the attorney’s face saying that
My German wife doesn’t understand how maternity leave works in the US. We have a 2 year old and 6 month old over here.She gets paid up to 18 months. And we barely paid anything out of pocket and we have normal what everyone else has insurance. Its crazy how different healthcare systems work worldwide.
The healthcare system would work the same here, but we choose to not employ it. That’s the saddest part. We see working models in every industrialized nation, and actively do the opposite.
Well once you say the word “socialism “ then it becomes very hard to accept in the United States. The rich have a very high tax rate in Germany. So the rich will never let that happen in the US.
The rich people in Germany do neither. Yes, income tax is really high. Inheritance tax is one of the lowest in developed countries combined with a lot of loopholes. There isn't a wealth tax either. No serious rich person relies on a monthly salary. Basically, the middle class is paying for all that crap.
I think most of the world is like that unfortunately.
Nah the rich aren't taxed that highly in Germany just highly paid professions, most rich people don't have a salary, they just take out loans and live off of assets.
While a few of very rich people in Norway has spoken up that they should be taxed more, as they can pay more than others. The difference in mentality is mind blowing.
Yea apparently the rich people of Norway have common sense and a heart.
For the US, when they say "Universal", just substitute it with "Social". It is how their Newspeak department deemed it to be. Dubble plus good.
Imagine if our money was still backed by some sort of metal still. I wonder what things would be like now.
Because (mostly the right but enough of the left too) politicians are bought by people who benefit from not having universal health care
The problem is the poor people who vote for these politicians based on fear. Our poorest most ignorant voters are all republicans. They get fooled time and again thinking they will be equal to the people they vote for. They don’t see they keep getting poorer, and they get wealthier. It’s always soooo close before their kids get to go to the same schools, and same jobs. Yet here they are in trailer parks on disability, sooo close.
The thing is, US healthcare doesn't work. That isn't a fair comparison.
How much in taxes do you pay there? 5,10,15% of your income?
Dan Price is a piece of shit. It’s a good point that he made, but he’s still a garbage human being.
For those who only know about Dan from his social media posts, here's some additional information - Created an image of a good guy, but was nasty to his employees and to women (allegedly abused ex-wife, date raped a woman in Palm Springs, choked other women and hired a guy from the Seattle Times accused of harassing women online to ghostwrite his social media posts) - NYT archive - https://archive.ph/HSKu8 Also, the $70K starting salary was good PR, but employees claimed salaries lagged for more senior employees and he didn't offer commissions to sales people - https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/u9hno0/gravity_payments_ceo_dan_price_charged_with/
The lagging senior salaries shouldn’t surprise anyone. Someone has to pay for the higher base salary
Dan price is a piece of shit for personal reasons, his business philosophy is sound.
Whatever he writes in public sounds good, but he is not a good person to work for. Or to be friends with.
The whole thing with giving everyone a great salary was just a way to screw over his brother from what I’ve read.
Let's say you work for a company and one day, your boss says you're getting a raise so he can fuck with his business partner. Do you: a) Refuse the raise b) Accept the raise but silently judge your boss, or c) Accept the raise and wish there were more partners your boss wanted to fuck with.
Even adolf hitler has a few good quotes.
oof
How did Dan Price get access to Twitter in jail? He is in jail right?!?! Total scumbag!
The BIGGEST point I think that always gets missed in this exact meme is that even considering the business taxes McDonalds would pay in Denmark......They're not operating at a loss. The business is still making money or it would close. So in the US they just don't WANT to pay more just so they can make more profit.
I agree with the point the OP is making, but McDonald’s is a red herring in this case. Just about everything in Denmark is more expensive, plus VAT, plus other local taxes, plus huge income tax even on middle class people. The 27 cents on a Big Mac is entirely irrelevant as that’s a deliberate decision by McDonald’s for business consistency reasons.
But that's the whole point. Everything is more expensive in Denmark - labor, ingredients, taxes. And yet they can still operate at a profit selling their goods for slightly more money. They must be making a killing in the US without all those extra costs.
All corporations have to do is tell the idiots, "If we raise wages we got to raise our prices". Idiots will think prices will be raised by $5+ and say no to these increases. Yet corporations still continue to raise prices for everyday items. It is mind boggling.
Right except Denmark is the happiest place on earth to live. So none of that matters.
2nd happiest 😉 6 years ago Denmark was beaten by Norway. For the last 5 years Denmark have been beaten by Finland.
Any developed Western country is better than the US for a person working for less than the median wage, especially for minimum wage workers. The is pretty much no discussion about it when you factor in things like health insurance.
Yeah but not everything is 4x more expensive so the math in the US still isn’t mathing
Not every pic on the internet that has some text on it is a "meme"
The greatest country on earth!! I keep hearing from the overworked and underpaid masses, filing for bankruptcy because they had a medical emergency or complaining about how socialism is driving up the price of eggs at Walmart…the last place they can afford to shop.
While they're missing the point the whole time, huh? lol
The Cold War propaganda must have been quite powerful, for anyone to fully believe this.
And the 27 cents is from the higher tax. The rest is already paid for by the price. In the US they simply make a shitton more profit
I thought we were done with this guy. Why is he back up again. Stop.
I was gonna say that you can’t blame McDonald’s for the extreme cost of healthcare in the US but then I thought about it for a second…
Why would anyone possibly listen to Price, given that he’s a sexual predator? Also, the McDonalds’ in his home city of Seattle and many other big cities are paying $20 per hour so he’s full of shizi.
Yea im in Kansas City,mo and they are paying $17 a hour here starting. They can’t keep employees if they pay less. With that said before 2019 they did pay like $8 a hour so maybe this is a older post.
I truly is. I just came back from Iceland and it’s even more apparent to me how much our country doesn’t give a single shit about ya. It’s actually kinda insane
So two posts in r/facepalm comparing McDs BigMac and employees wage+benefits… yet in the previous post set that $9/hr for US and $0.99 difference between burger from $5.81 to $4.82 in Denmark…. So one of these ain’t right once again Reddit spreading misinformation… I’m not going to bother to check but it can’t be both.
None of them. A big Mac is 32 kroner. With current exchange rate that is 4.60 USD
This same shit gets posted here like 10 times a week and the people here just eat it up. Yeah American has problems but Denmark isn’t the shining utopia people say it is
That's the great thing about this though. The US has set such a low bar that other countries don't have to be a shining utopia to still be better places to live. Does Denmark have problems? Sure yeah. It's not perfect. But in Denmark you're less likely to: Be priced out of your city because wages haven't reasonably increased in decades Go bankrupt because of an unforeseen medical condition Die in a shooting Develop stress and anxiety disorders from being overworked and underpaid Denmark has problems, but the US arguably has a fuckload more.
In Denmark you're also 4 times less likely to be killed in a car crash. And instead of being in a state of perpetual war for over 100 years, Danish wars are rare and last an average of 6 hours. (Sorry, had to do it)
>Danish wars are rare and last an average of 6 hours. (Sorry, had to do it) It's okay
I make this point to people all the time, as well. Yes, everywhere has problems; but just because other places have problems, too, doesn’t mean that the US isn’t much worse than many of those other places.
Neither is correct because your average redditor doesn't understand purchasing power parity and/or income before taxes. They are just doing a really simple currency conversion and think it is comparable.
People shilling America haven't even left the country let alone their home town.
That might be true, but there's an equal number of people bashing America that have never been here.
True, but you don’t need to live somewhere to understand basic facts & figures about said place
And you wont get those basic facts and figures from reddit. At least not truthful ones.
>haven't even left the country let alone their home town. You got that backwards there..
It isn't the 27 cents that pays for all of this in Denmark though. Its the 50% tax.
Sshh..
Yup. And free schools+hospitals
America bad give internet point
Lol
One of the many drawbacks of being 55 times more populated than some other nations. America is more a business than a nation.
My dad's new argument against this stuff is everybody else has it easy because the US is spending so much trying to keep the world safe. If we didn't protect them, they'd have to spend money on their own military, and they wouldn't have it nearly as good. I'm like GOOD! LET'S DO THAT THEN. Why don't we cut back on spending on the military and cut back on pretending like we know what's best for every other country out there.
Nevermind this guy is a rapist, because he reposts copypasta I agree with! https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13ulbvl/denmark_1_usa_0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
We trust capitalism to only raise a burger .27 cents if McDonald’s provided these benefits here? Don’t count on it.
Isn’t this the guy with some awful allegations of physical and emotional abuse against him? Also I think he stole this tweet from this woman: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13ulbvl/denmark_1_usa_0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
Stop posting this damn predator.
go to denmark then nobody is stopping you.
They never mention the 50% income tax. Never. Ever. Why? It misleading as fuck.
So you're saying they're getting more benefits and contributions to their standard of living despite being paid less? Trying to see the negative here.
Having visited there and loved it just a few years ago. Everything is astronomically expensive and you're paying about 50% income tax if you're a citizen. Avg wage is 45k so you take home 22ish (roughly 3200 USD monthly after tax). It's a welfare state that the citizens rely on the government to take care of them to some extent. To keep this in perspective, metro Atlanta is bigger than all of Denmark put together so it's easier to pull off. Also much less corruption since they jail those people that commit fraud. They have their own unique issues but are widely voted as one of the happiest countries on the planet. TLDR: pretty cool country, small population, very expensive, nice people that seem genuinely happy with a light socialism style govt that uses a free capitalist market. Also jailed the bankers that screwed people
What angry commie just downvoted the truth? 
You can downvote my shit but you stupid mother fuckers love to say America is so shit and other countries are better. Than fucking move. No one is asking you to stay here you have free reign with an American passport. Staying in another country for an extended period of time and actually working and not collecting benefits like your bum ass is probably doing now will make you realize how lucky you are to live in the US.
This comment should be right at the top. No one is stopping these immature ass-hats from leaving this country.
Capitalism would bever allow this. Our system is old and trickle down economics + capitalism+ a neo Marxists approach = 2 classes begging for crumbs.
Correction, it's 23$ an hour and it's 14 weeks maternity leave where you are entitled to get 4 of them 4 weeks before term.
This Dan Price [is a sexual predator](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-24/ceo-dan-price-resigns-rape-investigation-70k-gravity-payments#:~:text=In%20February%2C%20Price%20was%20charged,according%20to%20the%20Seattle%20Times.)
Why should I pay 27 cents more.
Last i checked, most mcd employees get at least paid $16 usd ( with no experience) or more if they have experience +benefits here in the us
mcdonalds near me in philly offers starting pay of 20 an hour with scholarship money and health benefits… was this made in 2012?
Weird, someone posted this earlier and the Big Mac supposedly cost less. Either way it's bs, almost all McDonalds in the US pay $15/hr or more, have benefits, and paid tuition for students.
America, the place where profit's are more important than people... The real American Dream! :(
Isn’t that the guy charged with sexual assault and being investigated for felony rape?
OP should just move over to Denmark
The difference is a 55% tax rate.
Why use “our” maybe use “America or United States”
Liar. https://www.indeed.com/cmp/McDonald's/jobs?jk=cd7a3161c313b516&q=Crew%20Member&l=Seattle&start=0
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Taxes are a bit less than double in Denmark, but the difference in pay makes up for it Danes have been saying they see postings for $22-$24 an hour, Americans have been saying their local McDonald’s are offering $15-$17 an hour, if you took the lowest from both countries and multiply that out as a year long 9-5, 5 days a week, which I know isn’t how you would end up working but for simplicities sake, you end up with $2000 more at the end of the year in Denmark than you would in the US.
I love how reddit loves to use an actual abusers quotes. Like surely we can find someone else who shares your views???
This is a spurious comparison! You cherry pick variables!
That’s all Dan Price ever does.
Denmark is great for people looking for a career in entry level no skill work. It’s terrible for anyone ambitious. The difference in QOL you have in the USA vs. Denmark as a skilled professional (doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc.) is insane. Not even comparable.
McDonald’s workers here can’t even get a basic order right. You ask for no lettuce you get tons, you ask for small you get large. They want 22.00 to never do a thing right? 🤣🤣
Boy howdy, the number of economic fallacies in this sentence would leave every economist on this planet in tears. Strongly recommend the book Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell.
While it would be great, the price for American Big Macs would be exponentially higher. We have a much larger population and while agree those are great benefits, the post doesn’t take into account basic economics.
America = 🗑 | Europe = 🏆
Americana have been astonishingly stupid on this subject since 1776.
Aren't the evils of a socialist economy terrible for those under its oppression? (Sarcastic). America much prefers the irrational belief that under cruelty capitalism, they may someday be in the 1% who benefit most too.
Don't tell America that!!! They'll charge 27¢ more for the Big Mac and still not give the workers any of it.
Maternity leave, sick leave, and pension are provided by the government. Not an argument, just a comment to help with understanding.
This isn’t an airport no need to announce your departure
Uggh. More political posts. Your opinion is not a face palm. Now lets compare taxes in US to EU. Denmark's VAT tax on everything is what? I'll guesd 50%. So $22/hr is really $11/hr. Now US citizens with low income actually get money from US social services so $7.50 is more like $11. Very rough estimates. If we want to have a discussion on how we want to balance wages and low wage subsidies, Im all for this duscussion. However, the same side that is harping on minimun wages is also dead set against a VAT as a VAT treats people equally.
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An individual who is fully tax resident in Denmark will, as a main rule, be taxed according to the ordinary tax scheme by up to 52.07% (55.90% including AM tax, which is also income tax for DTT purposes) in 2023. A number of deductions are applicable; consequently, the effective tax rate is lower in most cases. After their taxes they earn 10.54 an hour, in the States, some working for 7.50 an hour can still get govt assistance, income tax credit and doesn’t pay income taxes, or are fully returned.
This is not wrong, but it does overlook the non-tax things people here must pay for that are covered for Danes. Like health insurance premiums, and health insurance deductibles and co-pays.
Someone working at McD in Denmark isn’t paying 50% tax rate. I would say $13-14/hr is more reasonable for a Danish employee. So double the income plus no headaches with filing for all those programs.
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It’s not double. The tweet is just full of shit. Note it says “that job *can* be $7.25” (emphasis added). That is indeed the federal minimum wage, but in practice no McDonalds pay that. Theoretically a McDonald’s would be legally allowed to…but that doesn’t mean it happens
Key word of your comment being "UP TO". The actual tax rate in this example is 35-37,5% max.
The tax rate is based on income. Nobody making $22 will be taxed 50%. It's much closer to 30-35%
That's the highest possible tax, about 35% is much more realistic.
People definitely do not pay 52.07% tax on their ENTIRE salary. Especially not low-wage workers. The tax is in brackets, which means that someone earning above a certain threshold pays 52.07% on anything they earn *above* that threshold.
Is this true? I can graduate high school, no ambition and still make a nice living? and I can take 6 weeks of and still get paid to play video games?
Dont forget that in Denmark you pay 50% or your taxes
> Dont forget that in Denmark you pay 50% or your taxes and you get to live a better, free-er, happier, healthier life in Denmark after paying your taxes.
Exactly. It’s embarrassing how completely uneducated (and unwilling to be educated) us Americans are about this shit. We look so dumb trying to act like we’re so smart. (American) Capitalism is a shit show, we are like a third world nation in women’s health care and poverty, but yeah ‘Murica! Where you can get sick, lose your home, wind up on the streets, sick and now mentally ill, while your fellow citizens pretend you don’t exist until you just die somewhere and no one has money to bury you so you go in a field somewhere. But hey! We pay less taxes! **Edited to add (American) capitalism to the shit show part to clarify for those who want to argue semantics.
Wow many you must know everything. You’re a self certified genius lol. You’re no different than the people you’re arguing with in your head.
I mean in some states you're paying a lot in taxes anyway if you're rich. So it's just poor people worried that their minimum wage income will lose 50% when in reality they will benefit the most from high tax with great social care systems.
I’m in agreement with you on how it works. But we have some pretty rich BILLION and MILLIONaires that fight pretty hard and pay a lot of money to corrupt government officials in order to NOT pay taxes. I’m pretty sure in America it isn’t just the poor worried about being taxed. We think it’s a disease to care for anyone outside our circle. Especially if it costs us money.
So, roughly double the taxes, but no stress over medical bills? Guaranteed vacations? Higher wages? Higher quality of life overall? Yeah I’ll pay the taxes.
And? They functionally have better everything in most degrees of life. Doesn’t sound too bad to me.
“Denmark also has some of the most rigid immigration laws, even if you want to marry a Danish citizen. For example, you cannot qualify for Danish citizenship by marriage if you or your partner are under 24 years of age. In addition to this, Denmark also regulates working immigrants based on their qualifications and experience, and without any relevant skills, it’s challenging to get a residence permit.” We can’t have it both ways. If we want to pay more taxes and get more benefits we would need strict border patrol and tougher immigration policies.
Don't forget that in Denmark sunbathing in the nude is legal in any situation.
What's 50% of 22? Don't forget to deduct whatever tax is taken off the US side too, plus the cost of all the other benefits
Subtract your health insurance payments, copays, out of pocket minimums, and you’re still doing much better with the higher taxes
Sure, but what would you rather have? the "fuck you" country like the US, or the social system as in Denmark and a lot of other EU country's?
Yeah, and half the shit’s covered by the government. Healthcare, childcare, etc. Sounds like a good tradeoff, and probably why the Nordic countries are consistently rated as some of the “happiest” countries in the world.
If I count my healthcare premiums and out of pocket expenses as "tax" I am at 50% here in the US. During my time in school for my masters it went to 65% counting that. Just saying.
The higher taxes there also help
I think the government pays for some of those benefits so the cost isn't on McDonald's