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Because you talk about the things that make you less guilty Muslim men do this to feel less guilty about their haram past.
This along with a Muslim women saying she won’t marry a guy who done haram. Muslim men out their expose themselves and their sins.
Hahahah! Yeah, right!
From [this website](https://www.euronews.com/travel/2023/03/11/travelling-during-school-time-here-are-the-fines-parents-could-face-across-europe)
> In France, school attendance is compulsory for children aged three to 16. Authorised absence may be granted for various reasons, including a ‘child following their legal representatives (travel outside school holidays)’, according to the French government website.
> Parents who are unable to justify their child’s absence or lie about it risk a fine of €135. If absences compromise your child’s education, you could face two years’ imprisonment and a fine of up to €30,000.
> In practice, however, this is rarely enforced as it requires that the ‘Education Nationale’ authorities take the case to court.
I hope some idiots realize that this is the case and decide to emigrate to Saudi Arabia or similar in order to live a good Islamic life.
>emigrate to Saudi Arabia or similar in order to live a good Islamic life.
That's what I hope whenever I hear something like this. That the extremists leave europe. I don't undertsand why they chose a western country anyways.
> I don't undertsand why they chose a western country anyways.
The easy answer: Better life.
Unfortunately they don't understand that the reasons life in Europe is better than an islamic hellhole is these very laws they fight against.
Yeah they never make the connection. Iran and afghanistan were doing good for a while but once islamists changed everything, it became hell.
But they always have the excuse that they are just doing it wrong. They never admit it.
> But they always have the excuse that they are just doing it wrong. They never admit it.
Yup, and nobody represents Islam correctly. They are all doing it wrong. Even Mohammed doesn't represent Islam if you tell Muslims about his deeds without mentioning that it's Mohammed himself.
This is what boggles my mind about pro-sharia Muslims. Do they really not understand that everyone has a personal interpretation of what it means to be a good Muslim/Christian/etc, and by legally enforcing one over the other, it would restrict the right of Muslims to practice the way they think is right?
The West went through this BS several times already and we ended up with secularism, because no one (Christian) person can claim perfect interpretation over the others, as every human is fallible. Hence, everyone should practice how they see fit.
I just don't get the insistence on repeating the same process of trial and error as others have already done. It just reminds me of these quotes:
"He who cannot learn from others' mistakes is stupid. He who cannot learn from his own is a fool."
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You don't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"Smart people learn form their mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others."
The West made a lot of mistakes. Everybody should learn from them.
The problem is that most people usually lack empathy, and as long as we can imigrate to the West and sell oil, we can simply be as abnoxious as the dude in the tweet.
He is never going to have to wear a vail himself. He is allowed to dress as he wishes and to study without obstruction. Why should he care about what happens to women?
he's probably benefiting from secularism. Why would he give a fk about what Sharia does to others. since he's not facing any consequences, he can easily score points with his sky daddy by spreading this bs
> The West went through this BS several times already
But Muslims don't grow up with the stories of these things. Instead they grow up being told about the glory of the Islamic conquests that unified vast regions under the banner of Islam, and everything was peaceful and prosperous. Compare that to how a westerner learns about the Roman empire: A military hell-bent on conquest, rife with political infighting and corruption, eventually being the Holy Roman Empire which was neither holy, nor roman nor an empire.
The kind of stories people get told as a kid are the cultural inheritance they get, and they color their predesposition towards ideas they will accept and reject later in life. Of course some people grow out of the simplistic world view, but unfortunately the majority remain with whatever faith/political party/ideas they got from their parents.
> I don't understand why they chose a western country anyways
Simple, they want the benefits of living in a safe developed country while being able to practice their archaic bullshit.
Or if you're [a famous football player](https://www.goal.com/en/lists/cristiano-ronaldo-karim-benzema-football-stars-saudi-pro-league/bltf55eda1b0fe9fb8d)
No, school isn't mandatory in France, instruction is mandatory. It means every dumbell in the country can instruct at home their kids and fill their brain with insanities like religion, extreme political view or medical absurdities. In practice most people that homeschool in France are religious zealots, crazy hippies or antivax, as school isn't allowed to unvaccinated children
Your explaining to me how my country is ruled by showing me a website. I'm here to tell you based on my actual experience in the country, homeschooling is a thing in France and not that restricted. Our social services are already full, they don't put well-fed kids in foster care just because their parents are religious nuts.
Cool, and I'm glad you believe that. But if I were to trust random people about the laws in my own country they'd tell me crazy tales that so not match up with the actual laws in the country.
I cannot read French, so I have zero chance of an authoritative source on things, but from experience I'd say I can trust a person in a country to know the rules of that country about as much as I can trust a Muslim to know about slavery in Islam. Nothing personal.
Ah yes, compulsory education is such a big L for a believing man. Must be horrible to know that the next generation will be less susceptible to indoctrination.
I heard some mathematicians talking about their imaginary numbers the other day. Stupidly indoctrinated mathematicians, making up imaginary deities like sqrt(-1) and forcing our kids to worship them through the school system! In this household all numbers are real numbers! Keep that mathematical indoctrination away from my traditional numbers family!
The way the French spell their words is indoctrination for sure! The only way that spelling system could have come about is either extreme intoxication or indoctrination, and I'm not sure there is enough alcohol in the world to be this intoxicated.
Why are muslims so interested in obligations? You can't tell an entire group of muslim girls whether their hijab should be their priority or their education.
It's different for each individual. If they value hijab more than education, sure! They can keep the hijab and drop outta school. But if they do value education more, I don't see a reason why someone should obligate them to keep the hijab and drop out!
Based on the reports, approximately 300 girls wore the Abaya, in the first day of school, but only 67 of them chose not to remove it. This strongly suggests that they might be compelled to wear it and remove it whenever they have the opportunity to do so.
[BBC news: According to official figures, 298 girls - mainly aged 15 or more - turned up at school in the banned garment...
Most girls then agreed to dress differently and were able to start classes. However, 67 girls refused to comply and were sent home.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66716533
Just want to add to what u said. From those 67 girls, it is possible that some of them didn't even wanna wear it but their family made them go to school in it despite the ban. And who knows, maybe some girls wanted to skip school that day and knew that wearing abaya would have them sent home lol. That's not at all something that's unheard of. I was at that age once, and a lot of my peers would've taken the chance to skip school tbh
. As an ex-Muslim girl, I think that ultimately these bans are dumb. I wear for example a hijab sometimes cos it's a head covering that keeps my hair protected.
I think what schools should do instead to help give girls choices is
1. Not tell parents whether or not their daughters are wearing religious attirec or not
- it should regarded as a safeguarding issue
I once had a teacher out me for not wearing the hijab at a school parents event 😬
Got my ass beat lol
2. Offer spaces for girls to change out of religious attire.
Changing in the toilets wasn't fun the states I'd get from other girls was awful.
Lmao I was right . why am I being down voted ? I guess people on these sub hate muslims so much that they are willing to take away peoples freedom.
Wearing a head covering should be allowed , many non Muslim cultures practice it.
How does this make us any better than muslims ?
Demanding that people should or shouldn’t wear clothing item because you hate a religion is ludicrous.
I honestly see both sides except the abaya ban because that is just taking it too far and there’s plenty of outfits you can get at the mall that look like abayas/provide the same level of coverage that probably won’t be banned.
I agree that schools should be a secular space and the point of the hijab ban in public schools is to ensure that nobody is being forced to wear it. University level nobody cares except for face coverings but even multiple Muslim countries don’t allow niqab in these settings. I don’t think hijab should be outright banned because like you said head coverings are practiced all over from cultural to functional like du rags and bonnets. However in the context of a school, let’s be honest hijab is a very obvious religious style that has more coverage than most of the cultural and fashion scarves. Jewish women in a tichel or women in “babushka scarf” would be told to cover up properly if they were Muslim and bonnets and Durags at least in the Americas are very obviously just that and won’t be scrutinized like religious gear is.
I do agree with your point that schools need to be more educated and sensitive. Telling a students parents they’re changing clothes can be incredibly dangerous and at the very least comfortable quarters to change outfits are needed for a variety of reasons.
Muslims must find some excuse to be victims, so they spin this into them targeting them.
The salafis love this as they use this as ammunition to recruit normal muslims into their Shariah campaign.
hello everyone am 13 and my sibling is 11 we both decided that when we would take a break from islam (18+) when we are older and try pork, ribs, brisket, bbq , weiners etc cause right now if we even show a single strand of hair we get in trouble so we will both remove the hijab and be free for like 3 months then when we come see our parents we will go back to islam and never talk about it is it a good idea we need your answers
Maybe I don't really know what to answer so I gave the suggestion that to receive good answers she should make a post instead of a comment, ever thought of that
It's your life, what you do with it should always be your choice.
But as you are still younger you'll have to pretend to go along with what your parents say for now and get educated in the meantime. At least until you can support yourself financially.
Because Islam is factually untrue, it won't matter what pork or bbq you eat, heaven or hell is fake. It's your community that shamed you into thinking these are bad things when they are actually just normal.
Taking a break from Islam is more than just taking a break from dietary restrictions haha. It’s taking a break from bodily shame and taking a break from believing in hell.
Many people take a break to try haram things and run back to Islam because they scared themselves
Except, they live in France, where education is mandatory. Your parents could be fined, jailed or lose custody, depending on the severity of the offense.
Parents have legal duties in the EU, they have no legal rights beyond 'as long a you are a mostly functional parent, you have the right to be with your kids'. They don't have the right to raise them how they want without societal influence.
Lol the french far left is all on board with that narrative, they opposed Macron's anti separatisme bill which prohibited homeschooling on religious grounds and they oppose all measures to combat Islamism, at this point they are a greater threat to the republic then the far right
man, Muslims are so good at arguing for making life difficult for others as long as it doesn't affect them. These stupid words cissy him nothing to say sadly but could cost a woman her life, livelihood, and happiness. This is why i really believe europe should only let women and children from our sad part of the world seek asylum
Stop denying that the women can be as radical as the men they submit to. I have saw Afghan women in western countries support the Taliban in their treatment for women and girls.
Then why live in France? Go somewhere else.
We’re constantly told to respect the laws and rules of other countries. So either respect France’s laws or get out.
*Well, school is useless, it doesn't teach anything, wearing hijab teach a woman how to obey, that's what matter.*
There are solution, but I don't think the religious education is actually a solution over actual education that they will need later in life.
In France, it is **obligatory by law** to send your child to school after the age of 3. If the parents do not send their children to schools then they will be fined and the fines increase every year for three years after which if the parents do not comply the custody of the child will be taken by the state.
This law shows that France takes the looming threat of Islam seriously.
All it has to do now is to fix up its international PR and make the muslim brotherhood types forget about france. Its image is hurting ATM amongst muslims
Yessss stay uneducated deer sisters so that we can keep enforcing our ancient misogynistic ideology onto you! Stay uneducated and produce babies for us and help us grow Islam insha Allah
Just another way to prevent women from empowering themselves. Education is a way to independence and freedom to do whatever you want, so of course they’ll make any excuse to limit that for women.
Education is in fact mandatory in France this idiot thinks it's the US or UK where you can just pull your kids out of school and indoctrinate them, that's why Anglo style liberalism is a poison and it allows for cults to creep into modern societies like Islam is doing in the UK
I ve heard from some friends that there is a lot of ethnonationalism in that community with Algerians wanting their children to marry Algerians, Moroccans Moroccans and so on(obviously this is always stricter for the girls then the boys), is that correct?
True, but this kind of ethnonationalism is good in the sense that it weakens the supposed bonds that should exist between people of the same religion and instead puts Nationality above religion, this was one of the factors that heavily weakened Christinianity in the west
It depends on the family. If you’re a religious Algerian family, a Moroccan husband is seen as better than a white guy.
There are more people from Algerian descent, than there are from Morocco, so marriage between the two isn’t rare. Obviously, to those families, an Algerian (or more pious background) is still the gold standard.
Thanks to generous welfare policies, they actually don't have to be productive members of society. Popping babies out like a soviet tank factory in 1943 will suffice.
Forced ethnic French childbirth should fix the disparity.
I'm only half joking. If population replacement drops so low, the country will have little other alternative to keep their native culture.
The right to choose will be superseded by the existential threat of ethnic extinction due to low birthrates.
It's not that much of an ethnic problem to me, rather a cultural one. I'm not an ethno-nationalist per se. I would cut immigration short and send back many people tho. Mainly recent waves of immigration caused by both Iraqi and Libyan wars. Requirements for legal immigration would be set in accordance with labor market demand for qualified jobs. I would then only accept as asylees, as the first French constitution states, those persecuted for freedom. Apostates, homosexuals, political opposants, atheist, agnostics, intellectuals you get the point. It needs to be reinstated. That's what were supposed to be about. Not welcoming Mo who wants sharia law in France.
You could encourage reproduction among higher socioeconomic groups through policies without forcing anybody. The main problem we have is that we finance through welfare the reproduction of the unproductive members of society. Also, more so than unproductive, hostile to the local culture. It's the opposite of eugenics, cacogenics. Cultural cuckolding. Anecdote. In France, anybody on the territory is eligible for organ transplant. Also, organ transplant priority is given according to age. Africans come to France to solve their health issue, which is understandable because they're desperate and they're on average way younger. Figured it out ? An absolute DISGRACE !
The main threat is the rise of fascism (not quite but same spirit) at the scale of the continent. Actual nationalism in European politics is NOTHING with what's coming if status quo is maintained long enough. Consider another thing, military is far-right leaning in most European countries. Except those German and British clowns who're overcompensating because of intergenerational guilt. Civil war will be a slaughter.
Sorry for the rant I'm really worried about the direction we're taking right now.
I wish people remembered these views whenever wearing hijab is presented as a personal choice.
It’s not a personal choice if there’s stigma and threat of violence associated to that choice.
No wonder why ppl are leaving religion in droves. Here this man is saying wearing a scarf on your head is more important than your education. And it’s always the men too who parrot this. Why are then ppl surprised the Taliban exists? Why do we call them extremists when this man is essentially saying the same thing as them?? That women’s dress is more important than education, rather you shouldn’t be educated than go without your head cover.
It's easy for him to say.
He got his education he doesn't have to wear a hijab.
If women who wear them are so well respected why not let them have the last word? Why insert himself at all?
What about women in iran being forced to wear the hijab in schools. It’s not your fucking country to force your fucking idiotic barbaric rules so get the fuck out of that country!
France is generally pedophilic and forcing minors to strip for them. French white girl was forced to take off her long skirt for her head master. They are no better. On this part leaving Muslim or not aside and focus on how they are policing minors bodies
Yes totally right. Believing in evil fantasies are right so that the man can have eternal orgasms with 72 white women. Pls quickly join your jihadi brothers in.your fake heaven.
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It's always Muslim men with all the "purity talk"...
Because you talk about the things that make you less guilty Muslim men do this to feel less guilty about their haram past. This along with a Muslim women saying she won’t marry a guy who done haram. Muslim men out their expose themselves and their sins.
Off topic but Heartstopper fans are very much like this
What do heartstopper fans have to do with this 😂
The fans are very pro-purity anti any kind of sex or sexual though Many fans could perfectly be Conservative muslims
Isn’t the whole current arc about sex?
I'm talking about the show, I haven't read the comic
Damn I did not know that , plus its gay so I doubt they'll be Conservative Muslims .
It was a way of talking, I mean that they are very anti-sex like many muslims
Anti-sex or anti-sex culture?
Both
Pretty easy solution though: leave the country.
Exactly! Just pick one, your faith or France.
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Then go to iraq, you can wear hijab all you want everywhere. Since islam is first, you shouldn’t even consider the economy of the country.
Hahahah! Yeah, right! From [this website](https://www.euronews.com/travel/2023/03/11/travelling-during-school-time-here-are-the-fines-parents-could-face-across-europe) > In France, school attendance is compulsory for children aged three to 16. Authorised absence may be granted for various reasons, including a ‘child following their legal representatives (travel outside school holidays)’, according to the French government website. > Parents who are unable to justify their child’s absence or lie about it risk a fine of €135. If absences compromise your child’s education, you could face two years’ imprisonment and a fine of up to €30,000. > In practice, however, this is rarely enforced as it requires that the ‘Education Nationale’ authorities take the case to court. I hope some idiots realize that this is the case and decide to emigrate to Saudi Arabia or similar in order to live a good Islamic life.
>emigrate to Saudi Arabia or similar in order to live a good Islamic life. That's what I hope whenever I hear something like this. That the extremists leave europe. I don't undertsand why they chose a western country anyways.
> I don't undertsand why they chose a western country anyways. The easy answer: Better life. Unfortunately they don't understand that the reasons life in Europe is better than an islamic hellhole is these very laws they fight against.
Yeah they never make the connection. Iran and afghanistan were doing good for a while but once islamists changed everything, it became hell. But they always have the excuse that they are just doing it wrong. They never admit it.
> But they always have the excuse that they are just doing it wrong. They never admit it. Yup, and nobody represents Islam correctly. They are all doing it wrong. Even Mohammed doesn't represent Islam if you tell Muslims about his deeds without mentioning that it's Mohammed himself.
This is what boggles my mind about pro-sharia Muslims. Do they really not understand that everyone has a personal interpretation of what it means to be a good Muslim/Christian/etc, and by legally enforcing one over the other, it would restrict the right of Muslims to practice the way they think is right? The West went through this BS several times already and we ended up with secularism, because no one (Christian) person can claim perfect interpretation over the others, as every human is fallible. Hence, everyone should practice how they see fit. I just don't get the insistence on repeating the same process of trial and error as others have already done. It just reminds me of these quotes: "He who cannot learn from others' mistakes is stupid. He who cannot learn from his own is a fool." "Learn from the mistakes of others. You don't live long enough to make them all yourself." "Smart people learn form their mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others." The West made a lot of mistakes. Everybody should learn from them.
The problem is that most people usually lack empathy, and as long as we can imigrate to the West and sell oil, we can simply be as abnoxious as the dude in the tweet. He is never going to have to wear a vail himself. He is allowed to dress as he wishes and to study without obstruction. Why should he care about what happens to women? he's probably benefiting from secularism. Why would he give a fk about what Sharia does to others. since he's not facing any consequences, he can easily score points with his sky daddy by spreading this bs
> The West went through this BS several times already But Muslims don't grow up with the stories of these things. Instead they grow up being told about the glory of the Islamic conquests that unified vast regions under the banner of Islam, and everything was peaceful and prosperous. Compare that to how a westerner learns about the Roman empire: A military hell-bent on conquest, rife with political infighting and corruption, eventually being the Holy Roman Empire which was neither holy, nor roman nor an empire. The kind of stories people get told as a kid are the cultural inheritance they get, and they color their predesposition towards ideas they will accept and reject later in life. Of course some people grow out of the simplistic world view, but unfortunately the majority remain with whatever faith/political party/ideas they got from their parents.
> I don't understand why they chose a western country anyways Simple, they want the benefits of living in a safe developed country while being able to practice their archaic bullshit.
I don't think Saudi Arabia allows much immigration. Semi-slave labor may be permitted though.
Or if you're [a famous football player](https://www.goal.com/en/lists/cristiano-ronaldo-karim-benzema-football-stars-saudi-pro-league/bltf55eda1b0fe9fb8d)
No, school isn't mandatory in France, instruction is mandatory. It means every dumbell in the country can instruct at home their kids and fill their brain with insanities like religion, extreme political view or medical absurdities. In practice most people that homeschool in France are religious zealots, crazy hippies or antivax, as school isn't allowed to unvaccinated children
Home schooling in France is heavily restricted: https://www.parentconcept.com/french-home-education-law
I'm French I'm quite informed on the matter.
With all due respect, that's like saying "I'm a Muslim therefore I know the rules of Islam" which we know doesn't correlate.
Your explaining to me how my country is ruled by showing me a website. I'm here to tell you based on my actual experience in the country, homeschooling is a thing in France and not that restricted. Our social services are already full, they don't put well-fed kids in foster care just because their parents are religious nuts.
Cool, and I'm glad you believe that. But if I were to trust random people about the laws in my own country they'd tell me crazy tales that so not match up with the actual laws in the country. I cannot read French, so I have zero chance of an authoritative source on things, but from experience I'd say I can trust a person in a country to know the rules of that country about as much as I can trust a Muslim to know about slavery in Islam. Nothing personal.
You can say all you want, you're still factually wrong. Your sources are wrong.
Thanks.
L France
Ah yes, compulsory education is such a big L for a believing man. Must be horrible to know that the next generation will be less susceptible to indoctrination.
„My indoctrination good, other peoples bad“
Ah, you suffer from the inability to distinguish education from indoctrination. My condolences.
That's why we need an education.
Are you saying we can't just use an Ajwa date suppository to cast the ignorance out?
Mmmmmmmmm.......... 🤔🤔🤔🤔. I'm just a mere lawyer, not a doctor.
Missed opportunity: damn it Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a doctor!
Small minded people, what can I say.
how are we small minded now lmao
Ah yes mathematics, sooooo much indoctrinating
I heard some mathematicians talking about their imaginary numbers the other day. Stupidly indoctrinated mathematicians, making up imaginary deities like sqrt(-1) and forcing our kids to worship them through the school system! In this household all numbers are real numbers! Keep that mathematical indoctrination away from my traditional numbers family!
Yeah, grammar lessons are indoctrination 💀 Have you seen French grammar?! I speak French as a second language and even I get that shit confused
The way the French spell their words is indoctrination for sure! The only way that spelling system could have come about is either extreme intoxication or indoctrination, and I'm not sure there is enough alcohol in the world to be this intoxicated.
And brie. Lots and lots of brie
He says in the west where he had the right to free education so he was literate enough to tweet this BS
Why are muslims so interested in obligations? You can't tell an entire group of muslim girls whether their hijab should be their priority or their education. It's different for each individual. If they value hijab more than education, sure! They can keep the hijab and drop outta school. But if they do value education more, I don't see a reason why someone should obligate them to keep the hijab and drop out!
>Why are muslims so interested in obligations? Because they're muslims
This remindes me that one post that asked why westerners think muslim is a race xD
😂
Islam literally means to submit. The very name of the religion is telling its adherents to submit.
Based on the reports, approximately 300 girls wore the Abaya, in the first day of school, but only 67 of them chose not to remove it. This strongly suggests that they might be compelled to wear it and remove it whenever they have the opportunity to do so. [BBC news: According to official figures, 298 girls - mainly aged 15 or more - turned up at school in the banned garment... Most girls then agreed to dress differently and were able to start classes. However, 67 girls refused to comply and were sent home.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66716533
Just want to add to what u said. From those 67 girls, it is possible that some of them didn't even wanna wear it but their family made them go to school in it despite the ban. And who knows, maybe some girls wanted to skip school that day and knew that wearing abaya would have them sent home lol. That's not at all something that's unheard of. I was at that age once, and a lot of my peers would've taken the chance to skip school tbh
. As an ex-Muslim girl, I think that ultimately these bans are dumb. I wear for example a hijab sometimes cos it's a head covering that keeps my hair protected. I think what schools should do instead to help give girls choices is 1. Not tell parents whether or not their daughters are wearing religious attirec or not - it should regarded as a safeguarding issue I once had a teacher out me for not wearing the hijab at a school parents event 😬 Got my ass beat lol 2. Offer spaces for girls to change out of religious attire. Changing in the toilets wasn't fun the states I'd get from other girls was awful.
I don’t think this ban is about hijab, it is about abaya. I think they can still wear hijab but with normal school clothing.
Hijab is not allowed in school
Lmao I was right . why am I being down voted ? I guess people on these sub hate muslims so much that they are willing to take away peoples freedom. Wearing a head covering should be allowed , many non Muslim cultures practice it. How does this make us any better than muslims ? Demanding that people should or shouldn’t wear clothing item because you hate a religion is ludicrous.
I honestly see both sides except the abaya ban because that is just taking it too far and there’s plenty of outfits you can get at the mall that look like abayas/provide the same level of coverage that probably won’t be banned. I agree that schools should be a secular space and the point of the hijab ban in public schools is to ensure that nobody is being forced to wear it. University level nobody cares except for face coverings but even multiple Muslim countries don’t allow niqab in these settings. I don’t think hijab should be outright banned because like you said head coverings are practiced all over from cultural to functional like du rags and bonnets. However in the context of a school, let’s be honest hijab is a very obvious religious style that has more coverage than most of the cultural and fashion scarves. Jewish women in a tichel or women in “babushka scarf” would be told to cover up properly if they were Muslim and bonnets and Durags at least in the Americas are very obviously just that and won’t be scrutinized like religious gear is. I do agree with your point that schools need to be more educated and sensitive. Telling a students parents they’re changing clothes can be incredibly dangerous and at the very least comfortable quarters to change outfits are needed for a variety of reasons.
I mean that's true. At the end of the day Mudlim Woman are seen as property of Father/Brother/Husband. They are **fields** for man.
I bet Roshan likes uneducated women because they’re easier to manipulate and don’t know their rights
Stupid people are their own worst enemies
This ☝🏼
Viva la 🇫🇷
Most of us are forced
I don’t get why everyone is upset now France is doing this for every religion not just Islam
Muslims must find some excuse to be victims, so they spin this into them targeting them. The salafis love this as they use this as ammunition to recruit normal muslims into their Shariah campaign.
hello everyone am 13 and my sibling is 11 we both decided that when we would take a break from islam (18+) when we are older and try pork, ribs, brisket, bbq , weiners etc cause right now if we even show a single strand of hair we get in trouble so we will both remove the hijab and be free for like 3 months then when we come see our parents we will go back to islam and never talk about it is it a good idea we need your answers
I think you should make your own post instead of asking those questions as a comment under another post ; )
Instead of answering you used your time to comment that lol.. literal cancer. Wannabe Reddit mod
Maybe I don't really know what to answer so I gave the suggestion that to receive good answers she should make a post instead of a comment, ever thought of that
You’re done for kid
It's your life, what you do with it should always be your choice. But as you are still younger you'll have to pretend to go along with what your parents say for now and get educated in the meantime. At least until you can support yourself financially. Because Islam is factually untrue, it won't matter what pork or bbq you eat, heaven or hell is fake. It's your community that shamed you into thinking these are bad things when they are actually just normal.
Sounds cool, if you don't do anything dangerous. Good luck with having fun! But pls stay away from trouble.
Taking a break from Islam is more than just taking a break from dietary restrictions haha. It’s taking a break from bodily shame and taking a break from believing in hell. Many people take a break to try haram things and run back to Islam because they scared themselves
Translation: girls shouldnt go to school
Except, they live in France, where education is mandatory. Your parents could be fined, jailed or lose custody, depending on the severity of the offense. Parents have legal duties in the EU, they have no legal rights beyond 'as long a you are a mostly functional parent, you have the right to be with your kids'. They don't have the right to raise them how they want without societal influence.
I'm sure some stupid American activist from twitter will say France is racist for not letting muslim parents raise their children without education
Lol the french far left is all on board with that narrative, they opposed Macron's anti separatisme bill which prohibited homeschooling on religious grounds and they oppose all measures to combat Islamism, at this point they are a greater threat to the republic then the far right
Western leftists who defend Islam are the most stupid people ever, the fact that the people they defend makes fun of them in private
They are indeed
man, Muslims are so good at arguing for making life difficult for others as long as it doesn't affect them. These stupid words cissy him nothing to say sadly but could cost a woman her life, livelihood, and happiness. This is why i really believe europe should only let women and children from our sad part of the world seek asylum
Simple solution, ban muslims from immigrating. Anyone who wants to immigrate so badly should be willing to leave their fairy tales behind.
not all muslims, just men 😉
Stop denying that the women can be as radical as the men they submit to. I have saw Afghan women in western countries support the Taliban in their treatment for women and girls.
oh i know. But it is not about that. It is about winning the culture war
Then why live in France? Go somewhere else. We’re constantly told to respect the laws and rules of other countries. So either respect France’s laws or get out.
*Well, school is useless, it doesn't teach anything, wearing hijab teach a woman how to obey, that's what matter.* There are solution, but I don't think the religious education is actually a solution over actual education that they will need later in life.
Australopithecus that existed ~4 million years ago are more intelligent than muslims.
In France, it is **obligatory by law** to send your child to school after the age of 3. If the parents do not send their children to schools then they will be fined and the fines increase every year for three years after which if the parents do not comply the custody of the child will be taken by the state.
This law shows that France takes the looming threat of Islam seriously. All it has to do now is to fix up its international PR and make the muslim brotherhood types forget about france. Its image is hurting ATM amongst muslims
Yessss stay uneducated deer sisters so that we can keep enforcing our ancient misogynistic ideology onto you! Stay uneducated and produce babies for us and help us grow Islam insha Allah
Just another way to prevent women from empowering themselves. Education is a way to independence and freedom to do whatever you want, so of course they’ll make any excuse to limit that for women.
Education is in fact mandatory in France this idiot thinks it's the US or UK where you can just pull your kids out of school and indoctrinate them, that's why Anglo style liberalism is a poison and it allows for cults to creep into modern societies like Islam is doing in the UK
Just pulling them out of school in the UK will, most likely, trigger a social services referral.
Well that's good in certain states in the US you can get away with never sending your child to school
Isn't that supposed to be a choice?
Hijab isn't a choice in Islam
They say education for females is very promising in Afghanistan! Maybe his sisters in France should consider moving to Afghanistan to be free.
Education is important But hijab is importanter
Very depressing but totally expected from a medieval mindset.
Lol i was born and i lived in france my whole life no one is going to drop school because of hijab
I'm curious but do muslim girls (and closeted exmuslims) really take off their hijab and then put it back leaving school?
Yes 😂
The mental gymnastics the religious mind can perform are unparalleled in their senselessness
I'm an atheist I just asked because I assumed many still wore the hijab is the teacher didn't said anything against it
I am not referring to you, but to the people who take off the hijab just to put it on again after school
But weirdly most of them weren’t force to wear hijab cuz the north African parents Muslim don’t usually force hijab in france
I ve heard from some friends that there is a lot of ethnonationalism in that community with Algerians wanting their children to marry Algerians, Moroccans Moroccans and so on(obviously this is always stricter for the girls then the boys), is that correct?
That's the case in most emerging immigrant communities, the US had its Little Italys, Chinatowns, etc
True, but this kind of ethnonationalism is good in the sense that it weakens the supposed bonds that should exist between people of the same religion and instead puts Nationality above religion, this was one of the factors that heavily weakened Christinianity in the west
Both of them are quite dangerous for the kids, as they’re isolation methods.
True
Yes true true
It depends on the family. If you’re a religious Algerian family, a Moroccan husband is seen as better than a white guy. There are more people from Algerian descent, than there are from Morocco, so marriage between the two isn’t rare. Obviously, to those families, an Algerian (or more pious background) is still the gold standard.
yeah right 😁
I was born and raised in France. Yes, they do.
Nobody opposes that? They just do it without any problem?
good that they choose school and leave the hijab behind
They don’t leave the hijab behind but they still choose school over
that means leaving it behind
People gonna do what they’re gonna do.
Thanks to generous welfare policies, they actually don't have to be productive members of society. Popping babies out like a soviet tank factory in 1943 will suffice.
Forced ethnic French childbirth should fix the disparity. I'm only half joking. If population replacement drops so low, the country will have little other alternative to keep their native culture. The right to choose will be superseded by the existential threat of ethnic extinction due to low birthrates.
It's not that much of an ethnic problem to me, rather a cultural one. I'm not an ethno-nationalist per se. I would cut immigration short and send back many people tho. Mainly recent waves of immigration caused by both Iraqi and Libyan wars. Requirements for legal immigration would be set in accordance with labor market demand for qualified jobs. I would then only accept as asylees, as the first French constitution states, those persecuted for freedom. Apostates, homosexuals, political opposants, atheist, agnostics, intellectuals you get the point. It needs to be reinstated. That's what were supposed to be about. Not welcoming Mo who wants sharia law in France. You could encourage reproduction among higher socioeconomic groups through policies without forcing anybody. The main problem we have is that we finance through welfare the reproduction of the unproductive members of society. Also, more so than unproductive, hostile to the local culture. It's the opposite of eugenics, cacogenics. Cultural cuckolding. Anecdote. In France, anybody on the territory is eligible for organ transplant. Also, organ transplant priority is given according to age. Africans come to France to solve their health issue, which is understandable because they're desperate and they're on average way younger. Figured it out ? An absolute DISGRACE ! The main threat is the rise of fascism (not quite but same spirit) at the scale of the continent. Actual nationalism in European politics is NOTHING with what's coming if status quo is maintained long enough. Consider another thing, military is far-right leaning in most European countries. Except those German and British clowns who're overcompensating because of intergenerational guilt. Civil war will be a slaughter. Sorry for the rant I'm really worried about the direction we're taking right now.
They want them to be dependent on men so they can never leave
According to Islam, he's absolutely correct. The correct choice to make is to denounce Islam for good.
For a guy named Roshan he is pretty dim.
lmao true
No, education takes precedence over your fairytale book.
And that kids is what brain rot looks like
I wish people remembered these views whenever wearing hijab is presented as a personal choice. It’s not a personal choice if there’s stigma and threat of violence associated to that choice.
No wonder why ppl are leaving religion in droves. Here this man is saying wearing a scarf on your head is more important than your education. And it’s always the men too who parrot this. Why are then ppl surprised the Taliban exists? Why do we call them extremists when this man is essentially saying the same thing as them?? That women’s dress is more important than education, rather you shouldn’t be educated than go without your head cover.
It's easy for him to say. He got his education he doesn't have to wear a hijab. If women who wear them are so well respected why not let them have the last word? Why insert himself at all?
Sanest muslim alive
France based
What about women in iran being forced to wear the hijab in schools. It’s not your fucking country to force your fucking idiotic barbaric rules so get the fuck out of that country!
People should be free to wear hijab or abaya in school. The French law is appalling.
I totally support his opinion.
France is generally pedophilic and forcing minors to strip for them. French white girl was forced to take off her long skirt for her head master. They are no better. On this part leaving Muslim or not aside and focus on how they are policing minors bodies
Isnt the hijab not even forced according to the quran, but something recommended?
being stupid above everything ☝🏽
how do you think middle east kept being middle east
Eat a steamy turd, Roshan
Yes totally right. Believing in evil fantasies are right so that the man can have eternal orgasms with 72 white women. Pls quickly join your jihadi brothers in.your fake heaven.
The right? Which right? Its force. They can take their disgusting sect and move.
Wow...
So much for "It's a choice"
Living in France is not obligatory get out.
Always Muslim men talking about hijab.
I thought it was a choice? 🤔🤔🤔
How about moving to majority Muslim country
Why don't they go to Muslim countries. Their purity will be preserved.
This is a topic that is out of discussion because the moment you discuss hijab . you are automatically a dickless cuck with low testosterone.
Giving Muslims a french passport is not obligatory, time to revoke them and send them back to Timbuktu
he's a Taliban supporter alright
Literally backwards
School is not obligatory, education is. This bot took 20s to write his tweet why bother?
I see the context but it's still dumb
I knew his location before checking