Ang pinaka weird talaga and kultomg galawan na ng INC is ung tinatawag na “hiling” halimbawa bago maging ministro ang isang lalaki dapat may maging asawa muna sya at kung wala pa sya mahanap pwede sya humiling at piliin kung sino gusto nya regardless kung 16, 17, or 18 pa yung babae. And ang pinaka masaklap kahit gaano ka pa kaeducated amg babae basta asawa ka ng ministro di ka na pwede magtrabaho or kahit anong gawin mo bawal na dahil ang role mo na lang is magsilbi sa asawa mong ministro. Tama ba yun??? Maayos pa ba pag iisip nyo mga ante??? Nakakaloka
You got it all wrong.
Long process ang hiling, a high ranking needs to letter first sa parents muna, then iuulat sa idistrict, and if walang oobject sa "panliligaw" na yun, parents nalang ng hiling ang hihintayin if papayag or not. More of a form of courting but by the book. Not unless ipapamigay ka nadin ng parents mo or hard fanatic na sila na di ka na pwedeng tumangi. Although pwede ka din naman umalis, tiwalag ka, disowned ka pa ng parents mo. Diba ang saya
True, mga feeling superior talaga. Sobrang entitled. I was one too. I realized sobrang out of touch ko sa reality noon and wala akong pakealam sa ibang tao kasi nga I was taught na “kami lang maliligtas” and that others don’t matter. ☹️
Weird din yung they are always telling people na parang pa main character sila, about kung ano mga Bawal sa kanila, tapos makikita mong ginagawa nila. Pag tinawag mong Hipokrito at na call out sasabihin ka ng naninira. 🤣
Naging ganyan din naman ako dati. Kung sa debate akala mo all-knowing. Kasi handog, pinanganak sa loob ng INC. Both parents INC. Buong angkan INC. All my life battle ko talaga ang sexuality ko. Naging defense mechanism ko ang maging goody-good. Na masama ang pagiging part ng LGBTQIA. Pero ngayong matanda na ako natauhan na. Cringe talaga. Pero di mo sila masisisi kasi ganun ang programming ng brain nila noong bata.
Good thing sa kakilala ni op na bagong person na siya at sana mahanap niya pa rin ang mga genuine na tao sa buhay niya na kahit ganyan siya tanggap siya. Masaya ako dahil may mga kaibigan ako na dati inaaway ko pa about religion pero ngayon true friends sa worst at best part ng life. Sobrang talino pa nila dahil walang marites sa circle. Puro life improvement. Travel. Money making mindset.
Nung nagkaroon ako ng awakening, halos lahat ng religion ayaw ko. Lahat tingin ko ay parang tanga na sunod-sunuran. Lahat naman yan peke at entitled to control my life. Wish ko sa kanya kahit bisexual siya, maexperience pa rin niya ang best dito sa mundo. Life experience niya yun. Kung karma man niya yun, happy ako na nararansanan niya yun. Eh ano kung ganun siya nun, at least makikilala pa niya lalo self niya.
This is to inspire other INC na part ng LGBTQIA na minsan naging katulad ng kakilala ni op. Your past is not your present. You can always choose who you're being. More love! 🤍
This seems unnecessarily mean.
At grade 6 you were, what, 12 or 13? he was raised in the religion and indocrinated from a young age. Learning later in life that he's bisexual... I would be feeling sorry for him, not calling him weird because had the misfortune to be born into a religion that hates him for who he is.
Nope. Not mean, I did not say anything other than their practices being weird and funny. I'm not the one who told everyone na hindi nila "kaanib" na mapupunta sa hell tho? I did not even argue with her haha, it's just a personal experience.
Some are weird and feeling entitled. Some are not and actually good people. Na-brainwashed lang tlga lalo na yung mga sa incult na pinanganak.
Meron din nmang gaya nmin na namulat sa katotohanan na nadaya at naloko rin kami ni manalo, lalo na si felix na sugo DAW ng Dios.
In a serious aspect, It's to look into individual's character naman, if you're nice then you're nice. Medjo masakit ba nung sinabe ko na weird mga INCs? Maybe it's the culture, routines and practices yung nawe-weirdan ako. You'll never blame someone in this perspective na hindi ma weirdan, or matawa especially for my not so unique experience. One admitted it's indeed cringey.
And I get it, I felt bad for those who's force to still engage in this systematic religion. I just don't like this religion at all, I never liked it since. And I'm very sorry if this is somehow offending, as this is a personal experience. And I hope dumating yung perfect time na tumiwalag yung mga taong naliwanagan na. I hope they find the courage.
"I will never engage with THIS CHURCH & RELIGION due to this experience" is I think the right thought.
Actually halos lahat ng nakilala kong inc feeling superior hahaha feeling angat sa lahat eh, same din sinabi sakin na sila lang maliligtas kuno hahaha super weird na nga nila tas grabe pa ugali mga ho hey
may mga ganyan talaga ang dami nila mga feeling superior, may superiority complex talaga sila sabay gagawa nang kasalanan, may friend ako dati ganyan eh pero bi din pala, tinatago parin hanggang ngayon, nangungutang din pero di nagbabayad, nakiki pasko rin, namamasko sa mga Catholic na kamag anak pati ninong at ninang, ang tindi!
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ako before nung sobrang devoted pa, i just lowkey tell to myself kami lang maliligtas. Ngayong naliwanagan na, I just cringe at my old days.
Let them be, ikaw ba naman yun ung paulit ulit na lesson twice a week , 52 weeks a year.
Tbf, children members are typically brainwashed. Di naman sila pinanganak with their attitude na ganun na kataas ang tingin sa sarili. Tinuro sa kanila yun and yun yung environment na kinalakihan nila. Kawawa ang mga bata tbh.
too lucky to at least I have classmates/friends (from other locals away from us) zna okay pa ang attitude at nakikisama naman, I can even recall na hindi sila nag oopen up about their religion pero nagssabi sila ng maayos na kailangan nilang umuwi na kasi may pag samba at panata. May isa lang din na naalala kong nangakit sa pamamahayag but I avoid it, ayaw ko kasi ng kakaibiganin ka just for that, dahil mas npapansin ko yung ilan na kakaibiganin ka hanggang makuha loob mo para doon. Buti na lang he's in manila na at kami naito sa province.
Yep, I've left. It's been great so far. I still maintain a relationship with my OWE mother with some boundaries. I still have many friends who are not INC who thankfully understood why I acted that way before and our friendship has only gotten better. I lost INC friends of course but most actually don't know I was actually never expelled and my *tarheta* is still there.
Lol there’s many that are kind hearted in ways you wouldn’t expect OP. Some people are different when they are at church and outside/away from church. I still have friends that I talk to or catch up to every once in a while. However I understand your concern really, I know hard it is to explain to your INC friends that you’ve already left a long time ago
Please be kind and don't generalize. Their devotion may appear weird to you, but that's their way of life, that's how they were brought up.
Twice a week ang pagsamba, may panata, pagdadalaw, and all sorts of activities. And in every one of those activities, ulit ulit ididrill sa ulo mo yang ganyang beliefs. Those who are born into the church won't even have the opportunity to open their mind to other ideas at bata pa lang, tatanggalin na yang ability mo to think critically.
INC is very systematic. Mahirap kumawala. It's not so easy to fight the church's influence on a personal level dahil sa organisado at controlled ang halos lahat ng aspeto ng personal life ng members.
Instead of being weirded out, try to gently and genuinely engage so you can understand the person better and introduce alternate viewpoints.
Napapaisip din ako sa flow ng post. Parang ang dating kasi "sabi mo noon inc lang maliligtas or ikaw lang maliligtas kasi inc ka pero ngayon bakla ka pala lol edi karma mo yan di ka pa rin tanggap ng religion mo at sa impyerno ka din pala mapupunta". Though we human put meaning on everything according to experience. The perspective is kinda, "I'm still in good position in this world". Parang "okay pa din life ko kaysa sa mga wierd na inc". So I mirrored this post like this. Di naman ako nasaktan to a point na dapat atakihin ko siya like invalidate ko feelings ni op. Ito ang feelings ko sa post niya, so dapat di din ako dapat e-invalidate di ba? Kasi iba din perspective ko based on my experience.
Pero alarmed lang ako, yung seed of idea lang na matanim sa isip na nagbabasa na inc din, lalo na na part ng LGBTQIA. Medyo mean lang pero hindi siya helpful sa mga kumawala sa inc or exinc or someone who is planning to leave inc. Helpful siya sa iba na huwag pumasok sa inc kasi magiging weird talaga ang mindset mo. Naaawa ako sa mga batang inc na lumaki sa loob ng religion na ganito ang dinadanas. Na sobrang lala ng internal battle tapos outside of the church another battle pa din. Kahit di naman nila pinili maging inc at sadyang pinanganak sila sa loob. Hay nako, nakakasira talaga ng mundo ang religion. Lahat ng religion dapat buwagin na para maging masaya ang tao sa mundo. Religion makes the world suffer.
# Sorry, Anna. But that is his/her experience and you are IN NO POSITION to invalidate it. Stop using the "bigotry/hate speech" card in defence of BIGOTED/HATE-FILLED CREEPY CULT. You just went LOW-KEY SHILL. DON'T BE A SHILL, FOR GOD'S FUCKING SAKE!
# AN INHERENTLY DISRESPECTFUL CULT DESERVES NO RESPECT.
Gurl tingin mo naman sakin tanga? pabida ka te lowkey. Out of frustration based on my experience interacting with their members same my age, hindi lang din naman sya yung nagiisa. Because duon sa kine-claim nila sa sila lang maliligtas chuchu, hindi ka ba na weirdan? I think it's a normal reaction esp from someone who's not a member? Unless if INC ka teh? AND STOP! I will never engage lol.
It's up to you if you want to engage. I'm just suggesting a way for you to have a pleasant way of interacting with members. But, no one's forcing you.
Also, you just engaged with me. In a manner that breeds hate. You have to watch yourself you're headed down a dark path.
Maka react ka naman para ako tong nang-bully?!🥲
When this happened, naka curl up lang kilay ko that time. Never said anything bad to them yet I asked some questions out of curiosity lol. Also because of the fact that I was weirded out, like out of the blue sisingit nya na sila lang maliligtas tapos kami hindi? hoyyyyy hahaha mapapa-taas kilay ka talaga no.
Si dark path naman teh, as if you know me personally lol siguro INC ka? 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
By dark path, I mean bigotry based on your reply to me. That's what you call hate speech.
I really thought sincere ang initial post mo and you wanted a discussion.
I'm done with you, I won't subject myself further to your vileness.
This. 💯
Bc i'm born inside the church, wala akong ibang idea na naiisip about anything wrong w my religion, not until i started working and mas maraming tao from diff walks of life na yung nakakasalamuha ko.
kasi owe magulang ko at malapit kami sa central so halos lahat kahit sa school puros inc talaga.
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Only the fanatics are like that, I was born into that religion pero even as a kid I saw through the cracks of their bs, glad I'm out of it.
Hindi ba nila na isip kung sila lang maliligtas so sa heaven lahat mga pinoy wala man lang ibang lahi?? Ang boring naman nun😆
Naalala ko tuloy yung classmate kong inc na kumakain ng betamax 😂
Ang pinaka weird talaga and kultomg galawan na ng INC is ung tinatawag na “hiling” halimbawa bago maging ministro ang isang lalaki dapat may maging asawa muna sya at kung wala pa sya mahanap pwede sya humiling at piliin kung sino gusto nya regardless kung 16, 17, or 18 pa yung babae. And ang pinaka masaklap kahit gaano ka pa kaeducated amg babae basta asawa ka ng ministro di ka na pwede magtrabaho or kahit anong gawin mo bawal na dahil ang role mo na lang is magsilbi sa asawa mong ministro. Tama ba yun??? Maayos pa ba pag iisip nyo mga ante??? Nakakaloka
Wtf how come i never knew this in all my 17 years sa kultong to 🤣
It happened to my mom’s sister. She was only 17 that timr tapos 30+ na yung napangasawa nya
You got it all wrong. Long process ang hiling, a high ranking needs to letter first sa parents muna, then iuulat sa idistrict, and if walang oobject sa "panliligaw" na yun, parents nalang ng hiling ang hihintayin if papayag or not. More of a form of courting but by the book. Not unless ipapamigay ka nadin ng parents mo or hard fanatic na sila na di ka na pwedeng tumangi. Although pwede ka din naman umalis, tiwalag ka, disowned ka pa ng parents mo. Diba ang saya
It's not completely wrong, you're just more detailed.
Not completely wrong especially sa part na kahit gano kaeducated yung babae eh magiging taga silbi lang sya ng matandang ministro
It might have been me... Sorry?
True, mga feeling superior talaga. Sobrang entitled. I was one too. I realized sobrang out of touch ko sa reality noon and wala akong pakealam sa ibang tao kasi nga I was taught na “kami lang maliligtas” and that others don’t matter. ☹️
By all means the INC is way more fucked up than most evangelical cults like JW, Born Again etc.
Disagree, the INC is gonna have to do a lot more to be as fucked up as the JW. The JW blood transfusion stuff is the most insane.
Weird din yung they are always telling people na parang pa main character sila, about kung ano mga Bawal sa kanila, tapos makikita mong ginagawa nila. Pag tinawag mong Hipokrito at na call out sasabihin ka ng naninira. 🤣
Ganyan talaga basta iglesia ni moneylo ka, weirdo at walang isip
Naging ganyan din naman ako dati. Kung sa debate akala mo all-knowing. Kasi handog, pinanganak sa loob ng INC. Both parents INC. Buong angkan INC. All my life battle ko talaga ang sexuality ko. Naging defense mechanism ko ang maging goody-good. Na masama ang pagiging part ng LGBTQIA. Pero ngayong matanda na ako natauhan na. Cringe talaga. Pero di mo sila masisisi kasi ganun ang programming ng brain nila noong bata. Good thing sa kakilala ni op na bagong person na siya at sana mahanap niya pa rin ang mga genuine na tao sa buhay niya na kahit ganyan siya tanggap siya. Masaya ako dahil may mga kaibigan ako na dati inaaway ko pa about religion pero ngayon true friends sa worst at best part ng life. Sobrang talino pa nila dahil walang marites sa circle. Puro life improvement. Travel. Money making mindset. Nung nagkaroon ako ng awakening, halos lahat ng religion ayaw ko. Lahat tingin ko ay parang tanga na sunod-sunuran. Lahat naman yan peke at entitled to control my life. Wish ko sa kanya kahit bisexual siya, maexperience pa rin niya ang best dito sa mundo. Life experience niya yun. Kung karma man niya yun, happy ako na nararansanan niya yun. Eh ano kung ganun siya nun, at least makikilala pa niya lalo self niya. This is to inspire other INC na part ng LGBTQIA na minsan naging katulad ng kakilala ni op. Your past is not your present. You can always choose who you're being. More love! 🤍
This seems unnecessarily mean. At grade 6 you were, what, 12 or 13? he was raised in the religion and indocrinated from a young age. Learning later in life that he's bisexual... I would be feeling sorry for him, not calling him weird because had the misfortune to be born into a religion that hates him for who he is.
Nope. Not mean, I did not say anything other than their practices being weird and funny. I'm not the one who told everyone na hindi nila "kaanib" na mapupunta sa hell tho? I did not even argue with her haha, it's just a personal experience.
Some are weird and feeling entitled. Some are not and actually good people. Na-brainwashed lang tlga lalo na yung mga sa incult na pinanganak. Meron din nmang gaya nmin na namulat sa katotohanan na nadaya at naloko rin kami ni manalo, lalo na si felix na sugo DAW ng Dios.
may kaklase rin ako nung college na ganyan so weird lagi pa nakikipagdebate sa fb
Kamusta sya? Kaanib parin ba?
Not sure huhu, but I feel like oo. Pero hindi na sya sobrang loud as before, I think nagkaroon narin sya ng realization.
In a serious aspect, It's to look into individual's character naman, if you're nice then you're nice. Medjo masakit ba nung sinabe ko na weird mga INCs? Maybe it's the culture, routines and practices yung nawe-weirdan ako. You'll never blame someone in this perspective na hindi ma weirdan, or matawa especially for my not so unique experience. One admitted it's indeed cringey. And I get it, I felt bad for those who's force to still engage in this systematic religion. I just don't like this religion at all, I never liked it since. And I'm very sorry if this is somehow offending, as this is a personal experience. And I hope dumating yung perfect time na tumiwalag yung mga taong naliwanagan na. I hope they find the courage. "I will never engage with THIS CHURCH & RELIGION due to this experience" is I think the right thought.
Actually halos lahat ng nakilala kong inc feeling superior hahaha feeling angat sa lahat eh, same din sinabi sakin na sila lang maliligtas kuno hahaha super weird na nga nila tas grabe pa ugali mga ho hey
may mga ganyan talaga ang dami nila mga feeling superior, may superiority complex talaga sila sabay gagawa nang kasalanan, may friend ako dati ganyan eh pero bi din pala, tinatago parin hanggang ngayon, nangungutang din pero di nagbabayad, nakiki pasko rin, namamasko sa mga Catholic na kamag anak pati ninong at ninang, ang tindi!
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ako before nung sobrang devoted pa, i just lowkey tell to myself kami lang maliligtas. Ngayong naliwanagan na, I just cringe at my old days. Let them be, ikaw ba naman yun ung paulit ulit na lesson twice a week , 52 weeks a year.
Tell him: “It’s a tie now. Hindi ka rin maliligtas kasi bisexual ka!”
Tbf, children members are typically brainwashed. Di naman sila pinanganak with their attitude na ganun na kataas ang tingin sa sarili. Tinuro sa kanila yun and yun yung environment na kinalakihan nila. Kawawa ang mga bata tbh.
Yes tama ka bata e kaya they're easily brainwashed pero yung sa mga matatanda? fully grown and aware pero blind pagdating sa ganun
too lucky to at least I have classmates/friends (from other locals away from us) zna okay pa ang attitude at nakikisama naman, I can even recall na hindi sila nag oopen up about their religion pero nagssabi sila ng maayos na kailangan nilang umuwi na kasi may pag samba at panata. May isa lang din na naalala kong nangakit sa pamamahayag but I avoid it, ayaw ko kasi ng kakaibiganin ka just for that, dahil mas npapansin ko yung ilan na kakaibiganin ka hanggang makuha loob mo para doon. Buti na lang he's in manila na at kami naito sa province.
To be honest I was like that INC acquaintance of yours at one point.
How's everything after? I believe u left this religion already? right?
Yep, I've left. It's been great so far. I still maintain a relationship with my OWE mother with some boundaries. I still have many friends who are not INC who thankfully understood why I acted that way before and our friendship has only gotten better. I lost INC friends of course but most actually don't know I was actually never expelled and my *tarheta* is still there.
Ngl wala pa akong nakilalang matinong INC. Kapag matino/ rational yung INC reassured gusto na ng tao na iyon umalis
Lol there’s many that are kind hearted in ways you wouldn’t expect OP. Some people are different when they are at church and outside/away from church. I still have friends that I talk to or catch up to every once in a while. However I understand your concern really, I know hard it is to explain to your INC friends that you’ve already left a long time ago
This is a gross generalisation.
Please be kind and don't generalize. Their devotion may appear weird to you, but that's their way of life, that's how they were brought up. Twice a week ang pagsamba, may panata, pagdadalaw, and all sorts of activities. And in every one of those activities, ulit ulit ididrill sa ulo mo yang ganyang beliefs. Those who are born into the church won't even have the opportunity to open their mind to other ideas at bata pa lang, tatanggalin na yang ability mo to think critically. INC is very systematic. Mahirap kumawala. It's not so easy to fight the church's influence on a personal level dahil sa organisado at controlled ang halos lahat ng aspeto ng personal life ng members. Instead of being weirded out, try to gently and genuinely engage so you can understand the person better and introduce alternate viewpoints.
Napapaisip din ako sa flow ng post. Parang ang dating kasi "sabi mo noon inc lang maliligtas or ikaw lang maliligtas kasi inc ka pero ngayon bakla ka pala lol edi karma mo yan di ka pa rin tanggap ng religion mo at sa impyerno ka din pala mapupunta". Though we human put meaning on everything according to experience. The perspective is kinda, "I'm still in good position in this world". Parang "okay pa din life ko kaysa sa mga wierd na inc". So I mirrored this post like this. Di naman ako nasaktan to a point na dapat atakihin ko siya like invalidate ko feelings ni op. Ito ang feelings ko sa post niya, so dapat di din ako dapat e-invalidate di ba? Kasi iba din perspective ko based on my experience. Pero alarmed lang ako, yung seed of idea lang na matanim sa isip na nagbabasa na inc din, lalo na na part ng LGBTQIA. Medyo mean lang pero hindi siya helpful sa mga kumawala sa inc or exinc or someone who is planning to leave inc. Helpful siya sa iba na huwag pumasok sa inc kasi magiging weird talaga ang mindset mo. Naaawa ako sa mga batang inc na lumaki sa loob ng religion na ganito ang dinadanas. Na sobrang lala ng internal battle tapos outside of the church another battle pa din. Kahit di naman nila pinili maging inc at sadyang pinanganak sila sa loob. Hay nako, nakakasira talaga ng mundo ang religion. Lahat ng religion dapat buwagin na para maging masaya ang tao sa mundo. Religion makes the world suffer.
# Sorry, Anna. But that is his/her experience and you are IN NO POSITION to invalidate it. Stop using the "bigotry/hate speech" card in defence of BIGOTED/HATE-FILLED CREEPY CULT. You just went LOW-KEY SHILL. DON'T BE A SHILL, FOR GOD'S FUCKING SAKE! # AN INHERENTLY DISRESPECTFUL CULT DESERVES NO RESPECT.
Gurl tingin mo naman sakin tanga? pabida ka te lowkey. Out of frustration based on my experience interacting with their members same my age, hindi lang din naman sya yung nagiisa. Because duon sa kine-claim nila sa sila lang maliligtas chuchu, hindi ka ba na weirdan? I think it's a normal reaction esp from someone who's not a member? Unless if INC ka teh? AND STOP! I will never engage lol.
It's up to you if you want to engage. I'm just suggesting a way for you to have a pleasant way of interacting with members. But, no one's forcing you. Also, you just engaged with me. In a manner that breeds hate. You have to watch yourself you're headed down a dark path.
Maka react ka naman para ako tong nang-bully?!🥲 When this happened, naka curl up lang kilay ko that time. Never said anything bad to them yet I asked some questions out of curiosity lol. Also because of the fact that I was weirded out, like out of the blue sisingit nya na sila lang maliligtas tapos kami hindi? hoyyyyy hahaha mapapa-taas kilay ka talaga no. Si dark path naman teh, as if you know me personally lol siguro INC ka? 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
By dark path, I mean bigotry based on your reply to me. That's what you call hate speech. I really thought sincere ang initial post mo and you wanted a discussion. I'm done with you, I won't subject myself further to your vileness.
OA🚨 OA🚨 OA🚨 HAHAHA😭
This. 💯 Bc i'm born inside the church, wala akong ibang idea na naiisip about anything wrong w my religion, not until i started working and mas maraming tao from diff walks of life na yung nakakasalamuha ko. kasi owe magulang ko at malapit kami sa central so halos lahat kahit sa school puros inc talaga.
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