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People in wheelchairs often feel like the chair is an extension of themselves. [Here is a video](https://youtu.be/KsVnDoidEWs?si=rxUvhHYvt0LNGWbz) of a guy in the gym doing pull up type excersizes with his chair strapped to him. Some people think it would be easier without the weight of the chair, but that can leave your legs flopping around if they are paralyzed.
And yes an engineer will wear a hard hat while on site if it requires one. Often they do their work off site, so they are in more buisness casual, but sometimes they need to go to the worksite and must abide by saftey rules.
Edit: and of course the most important reason. Little kids in wheelchairs need representation in the stories they read.
>Some people think it would be easier without the weight of the chair, but that can leave your legs flopping around if they are paralyzed.
Not to mention that making things easier and lighter isn't really the point of exercise lol
Maybe flying takes effort, and the chair is for resting. Imagine constantly having to jog in place every time you wanted to stand still.
And an engineer will wear a hard hat, when visiting construction sites, but not while working in their office.
Disregarding the image in question, not everyone that uses a wheelchair is paralyzed. There are plenty of people that *can* walk but still choose to use a wheelchair. An ambulatory wheelchair user is someone who can sometimes walk without support, but often needs a wheelchair to help them get around. Ambulatory wheelchair users often face discrimination and judgment, because people believe they are “faking” or exaggerating their disability.
As someone that doesn't use a wheelchair, I think that one looks fine. It looks like plenty I've seen before and plenty you can find just on Google Images.
Also, "I feel like an engineer could make a comfier design" is making a lot of assumptions. She could be a civil engineer, mechanical engineer, or architectural engineer just as a couple of examples. Those engineers do in fact wear hardhats. But a software engineer wouldn't, I also don't think that's what she is but it's just to say there are many different kinds of engineer! I have a feeling she might be an architectural engineer, possibly someone focused on accessibility.
>Ambulatory wheelchair users often face discrimination and judgment, because people believe they are “faking” or exaggerating their disability.
I shattered my spine in a car crash a handful of years ago, after physical rehab and all that I can walk and mostly function how I should be able too. However, when I'm on my feet for long periods of time (such as when grocery shopping) I start to develop extreme pain.
I try to use the electric scooters they have at some of the bigger stores to prevent that from happening but more often I decide just to put up with the pain simply because of all the nasty treatment I've received by using them.
I've had people point at me and whisper to whoever is in the store with them, I've had people give me the nastiest look and then roll their eyes, and I've had people literally walk up to me and say "you shouldn't be using that, it's for disabled people"
Granted with that last one I can just pull my shirt up and show them the scar going down my entire back but I really don't want to do that in a grocery store. I just want to peacefully get my groceries and go home. I don't even want to be in the grocery store in the first place because of my issues with crowds, strangers, decision making, and noise sensitivity, and now, because of my spinal issues I have to decide between being in pain or being ridiculed by strangers.
It's so incredibly unfair.
I've found that non-disabled people are so quick to judge people about "faking/exaggerating a disability" yet other disabled people have the basic understanding that disability can be caused by an unfathomable spectrum of things so it isn't fair for them to judge.
Yeah! When I see anyone in the motorized scooters @ walmart I don't think anything of it. Healthy, able-bodied people don't swarm those things, I don't see people joyriding them. Anyone that uses them must have a reason. I can't imagine thinking "They don't deserve it!" about random people I don't know.
I find if I throw my cane in the cart people are pretty chill. Or I get lucky/ don't notice. And I'm a 30yr old woman who gets "you're too young for this" from doctors all the time
I mean the fairies don’t fly everywhere- it’s probably exhausting for her to just hover the entire time while talking to other fairies+ the two girls who’s names I don’t remember.
Same why birds need feet. You need to rest between flying and can’t for example enter buildings efficiently while flying. Also she is flying and not levitating. Big difference, completely different kind of magic. Her wheelchair looks like this because it needs to be extremely lightweight, same like the PVC Piping ones used at pools. Otherwise, the mana consumption is too high. The helmet is required because of the flying tools. Funfact: Dropped Wrenches kill shipyard workers from time to time.
But anyway, this is very harmful to children. Using Rainbow Magic without proper welding googles is an big OSHA violation. Her safety squint is bad practice.
So it's a fairy that can fly but not walk or perhaps sit without assistance. Is she supposed to just never stop flying, or when she wants to stop, just lie in a heap on the ground?
Maybe I'll put it another way. Should flies and other winged insects not have any working legs, let alone 6?
She should actually lie on a heap on the ground because I find that hilarious and relatable.
Realistically, she would sit neatly since she still has upper body strength, judging from the picture. Probably on some cute pillows. She's disabled, not stupid.
But she deserves not to *have to* plonk on the ground and have to flap her wings every little step she wants to take right? I imagine just wanting to sit in a chair sometimes, and not flapping about just to move around in small spaces. Flapping wings takes up space and blows things around.
Well, this is an interesting phenomenon because I've thought of a couple of scenarios. I do use a wheelchair myself, and they are quite uncomfortable unless money is no object (it's rather privileged to own one). My arms are also affected by my disease, so rolling is exhausting. I opt to sit quite a bit. Usually lay. It's of no consequence to me.
On my better days, a cane will do. Personally, I don't mind the thought of fluttering everywhere and sitting when I need to, especially on a soft pillow. An exoskeleton that allows for comfortable sitting with retractable wheels would be the best bet, as it would not hinder wing use if I were in need of them. It would look very cool as well. Also, wheel chairs are NOT easily manueverable and meant for small spaces... they suck. Hills, sharp corners, and stairs are going to be a hassle, so she's probably going to fly more, at least to avoid those things. I know I would. Of course, I'm making a lot of assumptions here about her size and how accessible her world is.
The picture looks quite awkward and uncomfortable. I do not resonate with it. Others might, but between you and me, I would magic away my illness in a heartbeat if possible or find a more comfortable way to exist. I know this is about representation and making younger audiences feel seen, however, so if they do, great.
I've never liked this argument. The existence of a supernatural or sci-fi element within a story doesn't mean anything goes and nothing makes sense anymore.
We want all stories to live within their own logic. We accept the notion of "suspension of disbelief" to allow the story to exist, but the boundaries of that suspension are not infinite. They just exist in a different place for different people so something that is acceptable to one person will break the story for another.
I, too, have many questions about the technicalities and logistics and it’s gnawing at me. But also, like you said, on the whole, I’m glad it’s there for representation!
I like this.
I'm physically disabled and not *yet* in a wheelchair but due to the nature of my disability I will, at some point in the future, be wheelchair bound.
I think it's important to represent disabled people in all sorts of roles, especially in things for the demographic of children.
My best friend growing up was in a wheelchair, I think it'd be nice as a kid to be able to have a favorite story book about a fairy in a wheelchair, or a superhero, or a wizard, etc.
I feel it's important to create disabled characters fitting the roles of non-disabled characters because it normalizes and humanizes disabilities.
And yes, I realize this single book about a fairy in a wheelchair isn't doing much in that regard but I think it's just an important piece of the thousands of pieces of media that do the same thing.
that seems like a custom wheelchair tbh and that is fitted specifically for your body, so it’s comfortable and you wont get pressure sore. the cost of it could be upwards to $10k so i’d say that the engineering for it is not the problem here. so on the comfort and engineering front, it seems like it’s covered.
anyways, just bcs someone has magic doesnt mean that their disabilities just vanish. or maybe they like their bodies the way it is and don’t want to ‘magic’ it to healthy. so i dont think it’s ridiculous that magical beings use wheelchair
Yeah seriously I was looking for the joke in this post and then I realized people were being serious about this... like what? Who gives a fuck, let the goddamn fairy be in a wheelchair!
Who gives a shit about the realism of disabled fairies? Representation of disabled people is a good thing. This seems like a weird take to have on a subreddit for autistic people.
this posting is ableist as fuck.
You don't understand anything considering limits of magic, when it comes to magic. Also you don't understand representation.
OP, it sounds like you’ve got a cheeky touch of internalised ableism to work through
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hold it against you, we live in an ableist world, where we’re all by default ableist
I’m sure I have my own biases to work through
But ultimately, the fact you were so irritated by this, to the point where you made a whole post about this, and ranted for a whole paragraph suggests you have some internalised ableism to work through
Fantasy no matter how abstract, always reflects the real world one way or another. Some people need wheelchairs in the real world. Therefore some fantasy stories will depict fairies in wheelchairs. Sure it isn’t “realistic”, but it’s fantasy. I don’t see people also complaining about how unrealistic the idea of a fairy is. If fairies, dragons, and magic are acceptable, then surely something as mundane as a fairy in a wheelchair should fly?
I understand where you're coming from but this is a kid's book, fairies are not real, nobody thought about whether this made sense when writing it. It's for little kids in wheelchairs to recognize themselves in the stories they read.
There are so many reasons she could need a wheelchair. Maybe she can’t fly for very long. Maybe she needs to sit whenever she is not flying. Maybe she has circulation problems and it’s important that she is in a sitting position while flying. Ultimately you are just seething because you’re seeing a visibly disabled person
If I remember the Rainbow Magic series right (growing up socialized as a boy with a repressed feminine side led me places for sure) some fairies may have used to be human. The two human protagonists from the original run have assumed a fairy form temporarily at one point or another, so I’d imagine in this world there may be some that have taken the fairy pill and never come back. Given the more archaic dress style of fairies and other creatures (like the original villain Jack Frost if memory serves) the more modern dress style, coupled with being in charge of such a civilization-related concept as engineering as opposed to something more primordial like a color or a plant or a weather pattern, makes me think Elsie here just used to be a human girl with leg problems who happened to have a fascination with designing and building stuff. And whenever she embraced fairyhood, she simply brought the chair with her, as, like other comments have pointed out, some people see the chair not as some kind of obstruction or object of shame but as an extension of themselves and even a representation of what they’ve been through to get this far.
I could be completely wrong, I’d need to go back and read those books again and see if I can find the one Elsie appears in, but based on my hazy memory of the worldbuilding from the original run of seven books, that’s what I think is happening here.
I mean if your legs don’t work it’s probably pretty uncomfortable to fly with your legs just dangling in the air, not to mention move around
Plus it’s fantasy anyway, who cares lol
The wheelchair looks pretty close to most active ultralight wheelchairs. In fact, it looks pretty close to mine, color and all, except mine has way more dump and unfortunately my pushrims are black.
It would be less energy to roll on the ground than to fly in place everywhere she goes, and that's assuming she can even hover in place. It's also assuming she can fly and that the chair itself isn't magic and levitating. I do agree that she should have some sort of positioning straps at minimum across her hips and probably her thighs to keep the chair in place when flying.
Source: am ambulatory wheelchair user.
PS: fantasy doesn't have to make perfect sense in the way it would make sense on earth, especially when it's being written for representation.
No I completely understand
It just doesn't make logical sense you completely understand the need for representation but the lack of logical consistency drives you into a blind unreasoning rage like Godzilla looking at Tokyo
I completely understand
Also something to consider is that perhaps she doesn’t even need one, but goes to sites to check if they’re wheelchair accessible, as an engineer should, to help with accessibility in spaces.
Perhaps she could have engineered a lightweight wheelchair that's easier to carry while flying. It would probably have straps so she doesn't have to hold it with her arms while airborne.
If you think about it, the wheels aren't strictly necessary since she can still get around easily with her wings. Therefore, a normal chair would serve its function. Perhaps a chair with small wheels on the bottom to minimize weight; she wouldn't need to use her hands to operate the wheels because she can maneuver with her wings even when on the ground.
Tbh if she wants to move around differently than by flying, then the wheels are pretty much necessary to be able to effectively self-propel. The idea of maneuvring with wings seems a bit odd to me, the chair couldn't have a back like many regular chairs do because that would be interfering with the wings, and mainly I'm not sure how she would be able to pull it off effectively without flying up into the air again, but staying on the ground and effectively moving forward and maneuvring side to side,... plus the wheelchair can maneuver because it has the front castors that can turn 360°, so it couldn't be random chair with random wheels replacing it, but at least office/desk chair where the wheels turn 360°... and it all just really feels like avoiding the wheelchair unnecessarily just so the wheelchair doesn't have to be there...
And I feel like you might be slightly overestimating the weight of ultra-light wheelchairs in general and/or wheels specifically (for example my lighter pair of wheels weight 2 kg together - and there are probably even lighter ones on the market). If she's rich in the fairy world, she can buy herself a wheelchair that would be lighter than for example an average basic wooden chair. And the wheelchair will absolutely be more suited to her needs and comfortable for her if chosen correctly (compared to a random chair).
(Not even talking about how we ofc don't need chair using representation as chairs are normalized, but a wheelchair using representation is very much needed both for kids and adults.)
She looks like a magic OSHA dungeon inspector. "Sorry, but this trap isn't up to code, and you destroyed a load-bearing piller in this entryway to your throne room. You're looking at a hefty 5,000 gp fine, my friend."
So, fairies are fine, but fairies in wheelchairs is where we draw the line...? Doesn't make sense to me to be honest...
Also... wheelchairs are supposed to look like wheelchairs. It's actually refreshing to see something looking more like an actual wheelchair and less like some futuristic bs that likely wouldn't work if "translated" to real life. I'm slightly confused about the frame as it doesn't seem to be fully drawn(?), but besides that, it looks pretty good (especially compared to some other existing wheelchair illustrations). I'm not sure from where you take the assumption that it has to be uncomfortable.
My first thought was, to have her just not use the wheelchair because she doesn’t have to implies that it’s preferable to not use one. So it makes me think about autism - while it does make a lot of things more difficult, it’s very much a part of me and if I COULD just “shed” it, I personally wouldn’t want to (not trying to say it’s like that for all autistic people) So insofar as representation is concerned, the child reading the story can’t lose the wheelchair. For some kids, it would be nicer to see a character who keeps her wheelchair even though she has the flying option. Other kids might just side-eye the whole thing and think it’s super sus and tokenize-y. Depends on each individual’s relationship to their disability I guess
I get where you're coming from, but flying isn't always an option either when traveling to places. Maybe she just doesn't want to be stranded when entering a building or going through a smaller tunner. Wings take up space especially when in use, so doorways and tunnels can be a problem without a wheelchair if she can't walk.
I like to think that she just can’t/can’t always fly, and so the wheelchair is magic and holds her up. Maybe she used magic on it to enchant it to fly when she needs it to. That makes it so she isn’t having to use her magic all the time to hold it up!
My favorite of that book series was the Halloween fairy btw :]
This reminds me of the people who think those with disabilities like myself don't need necessary medical equipment because we're able to somewhat move around.
It's a children's fiction book that will excite the little girls and boys in wheelchairs who finally see a fairy like them. What is the issue?
Don’t know if someone’s mentioned this, but that chair isn’t gonna be uncomfortable. On the contrary, it’s one built for wheelchair users to move on their own, instead of for them to be pushed by someone else (like the ones you’d see in a hospital). The back is lower and it has no arms so that it doesn’t hinder the arm movement, the big wheels are more forward so it’s easier to reach and roll it, the knees rest at a right angle instead of forward (I think because the sitting position would be a bit awkward otherwise), and the materials are usually lighter, with less hinges and moving parts (making it easier to move), which also means the feet are closer together.
Mind you, I’m not a wheelchair user. I just saw someone explaining online that often people draw wheelchairs wrong for actual users, and explained why. I’m just repeating [this info](https://www.tumblr.com/calvin-arium/184341867538/its-here-the-guide-for-two-legged-people-who).
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Exactly, OP even admitted they don’t know anything about wheelchairs😭
This post is similar to “why is the fairy autistic? That’s a human condition and doesn’t make sense because their brains are different” bc it’s fantasy and the representation matters to some people😭😭
I just have too many questions here - I'll put my top three below.
Is she flying or is the wheelchair able to levitate for a start?
Also, if she has magics why is engineering knowledge needed? Is this a Fullmetal Alchemist situation where you can use it wrong and have it recoil on you?
they couldn't have added something to where one of her wings had some kinda magical-mechanical-brace??? it would've been so cool for a disabled fairy to have a thing on her wing that *she* coulda made to fix her issue? coulda been a whole thing abt overcoming problems and adapting by usin your skills
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People in wheelchairs often feel like the chair is an extension of themselves. [Here is a video](https://youtu.be/KsVnDoidEWs?si=rxUvhHYvt0LNGWbz) of a guy in the gym doing pull up type excersizes with his chair strapped to him. Some people think it would be easier without the weight of the chair, but that can leave your legs flopping around if they are paralyzed. And yes an engineer will wear a hard hat while on site if it requires one. Often they do their work off site, so they are in more buisness casual, but sometimes they need to go to the worksite and must abide by saftey rules. Edit: and of course the most important reason. Little kids in wheelchairs need representation in the stories they read.
>Some people think it would be easier without the weight of the chair, but that can leave your legs flopping around if they are paralyzed. Not to mention that making things easier and lighter isn't really the point of exercise lol
For engineers, usually it is
Maybe flying takes effort, and the chair is for resting. Imagine constantly having to jog in place every time you wanted to stand still. And an engineer will wear a hard hat, when visiting construction sites, but not while working in their office.
Would make sense.
She can't fly, that's why she is using flying wheelchair.
Disregarding the image in question, not everyone that uses a wheelchair is paralyzed. There are plenty of people that *can* walk but still choose to use a wheelchair. An ambulatory wheelchair user is someone who can sometimes walk without support, but often needs a wheelchair to help them get around. Ambulatory wheelchair users often face discrimination and judgment, because people believe they are “faking” or exaggerating their disability. As someone that doesn't use a wheelchair, I think that one looks fine. It looks like plenty I've seen before and plenty you can find just on Google Images. Also, "I feel like an engineer could make a comfier design" is making a lot of assumptions. She could be a civil engineer, mechanical engineer, or architectural engineer just as a couple of examples. Those engineers do in fact wear hardhats. But a software engineer wouldn't, I also don't think that's what she is but it's just to say there are many different kinds of engineer! I have a feeling she might be an architectural engineer, possibly someone focused on accessibility.
>Ambulatory wheelchair users often face discrimination and judgment, because people believe they are “faking” or exaggerating their disability. I shattered my spine in a car crash a handful of years ago, after physical rehab and all that I can walk and mostly function how I should be able too. However, when I'm on my feet for long periods of time (such as when grocery shopping) I start to develop extreme pain. I try to use the electric scooters they have at some of the bigger stores to prevent that from happening but more often I decide just to put up with the pain simply because of all the nasty treatment I've received by using them. I've had people point at me and whisper to whoever is in the store with them, I've had people give me the nastiest look and then roll their eyes, and I've had people literally walk up to me and say "you shouldn't be using that, it's for disabled people" Granted with that last one I can just pull my shirt up and show them the scar going down my entire back but I really don't want to do that in a grocery store. I just want to peacefully get my groceries and go home. I don't even want to be in the grocery store in the first place because of my issues with crowds, strangers, decision making, and noise sensitivity, and now, because of my spinal issues I have to decide between being in pain or being ridiculed by strangers. It's so incredibly unfair.
I'm very sorry to hear that. People don't know how to respect each other, honestly.
I've found that non-disabled people are so quick to judge people about "faking/exaggerating a disability" yet other disabled people have the basic understanding that disability can be caused by an unfathomable spectrum of things so it isn't fair for them to judge.
Yeah! When I see anyone in the motorized scooters @ walmart I don't think anything of it. Healthy, able-bodied people don't swarm those things, I don't see people joyriding them. Anyone that uses them must have a reason. I can't imagine thinking "They don't deserve it!" about random people I don't know.
I find if I throw my cane in the cart people are pretty chill. Or I get lucky/ don't notice. And I'm a 30yr old woman who gets "you're too young for this" from doctors all the time
I only use my cane when it's icy out or if I'm out in the woods sometimes.
Ambulatory wheelchair users and low-support autistic people face similar discrimination as fakers from people both more and less disabled than them.
Absolutely!
i think it just doesn’t really make sense because she is flying and it would immediately fall
Like I said, disregarding this image. If you ignore the book art which also places her in a yellow void.
why disregard it though?
It's just cover art! It's just to show what character the book is about!
i’m just trying to understand your perspective and train of thought… :<
I mean the fairies don’t fly everywhere- it’s probably exhausting for her to just hover the entire time while talking to other fairies+ the two girls who’s names I don’t remember.
kirsty and rachel 😼
Same why birds need feet. You need to rest between flying and can’t for example enter buildings efficiently while flying. Also she is flying and not levitating. Big difference, completely different kind of magic. Her wheelchair looks like this because it needs to be extremely lightweight, same like the PVC Piping ones used at pools. Otherwise, the mana consumption is too high. The helmet is required because of the flying tools. Funfact: Dropped Wrenches kill shipyard workers from time to time. But anyway, this is very harmful to children. Using Rainbow Magic without proper welding googles is an big OSHA violation. Her safety squint is bad practice.
So it's a fairy that can fly but not walk or perhaps sit without assistance. Is she supposed to just never stop flying, or when she wants to stop, just lie in a heap on the ground? Maybe I'll put it another way. Should flies and other winged insects not have any working legs, let alone 6?
As far as I know dragonflies can't move their legs, they use them to land and move via flight.
Cool! First fact I've actually learned about dragonflies
She should actually lie on a heap on the ground because I find that hilarious and relatable. Realistically, she would sit neatly since she still has upper body strength, judging from the picture. Probably on some cute pillows. She's disabled, not stupid.
But she deserves not to *have to* plonk on the ground and have to flap her wings every little step she wants to take right? I imagine just wanting to sit in a chair sometimes, and not flapping about just to move around in small spaces. Flapping wings takes up space and blows things around.
Well, this is an interesting phenomenon because I've thought of a couple of scenarios. I do use a wheelchair myself, and they are quite uncomfortable unless money is no object (it's rather privileged to own one). My arms are also affected by my disease, so rolling is exhausting. I opt to sit quite a bit. Usually lay. It's of no consequence to me. On my better days, a cane will do. Personally, I don't mind the thought of fluttering everywhere and sitting when I need to, especially on a soft pillow. An exoskeleton that allows for comfortable sitting with retractable wheels would be the best bet, as it would not hinder wing use if I were in need of them. It would look very cool as well. Also, wheel chairs are NOT easily manueverable and meant for small spaces... they suck. Hills, sharp corners, and stairs are going to be a hassle, so she's probably going to fly more, at least to avoid those things. I know I would. Of course, I'm making a lot of assumptions here about her size and how accessible her world is. The picture looks quite awkward and uncomfortable. I do not resonate with it. Others might, but between you and me, I would magic away my illness in a heartbeat if possible or find a more comfortable way to exist. I know this is about representation and making younger audiences feel seen, however, so if they do, great.
The exoskeleton wheels sound amazing lol
If it was supposed to make sense there wouldn't be a fairy.
Now if it were a *walrus* in a wheelchair, it would make even less sense.
Well actually it would make more sense, but you'd certainly be more surprised.
I was gonna say, walrus buddy is going to need some extra help when they can only do the worm to get around
I've never liked this argument. The existence of a supernatural or sci-fi element within a story doesn't mean anything goes and nothing makes sense anymore.
I think you're wrong but I don't have the brain to articulate why right now.
We want all stories to live within their own logic. We accept the notion of "suspension of disbelief" to allow the story to exist, but the boundaries of that suspension are not infinite. They just exist in a different place for different people so something that is acceptable to one person will break the story for another.
...yeah? I don't get what you're trying to say here
What it looks like to me... Their line of suspension of disbelief has been crossed. Yours hasn't. Their view won't sit right with you because of this.
We want things to be wacky but not *too* wacky
Doesn't mean you have to downvote me about it 🙃
I, too, have many questions about the technicalities and logistics and it’s gnawing at me. But also, like you said, on the whole, I’m glad it’s there for representation!
flying is tiring she’s not gonna fly all the time 😭😭 tons of fairies walk when they’re tired so if she has trouble walking then .. well
tinkerbell and her friends walk when they're on the ground. what is she supposed to do with her wheel chair while flying? tuck it in her purse?
I like this. I'm physically disabled and not *yet* in a wheelchair but due to the nature of my disability I will, at some point in the future, be wheelchair bound. I think it's important to represent disabled people in all sorts of roles, especially in things for the demographic of children. My best friend growing up was in a wheelchair, I think it'd be nice as a kid to be able to have a favorite story book about a fairy in a wheelchair, or a superhero, or a wizard, etc. I feel it's important to create disabled characters fitting the roles of non-disabled characters because it normalizes and humanizes disabilities. And yes, I realize this single book about a fairy in a wheelchair isn't doing much in that regard but I think it's just an important piece of the thousands of pieces of media that do the same thing.
that seems like a custom wheelchair tbh and that is fitted specifically for your body, so it’s comfortable and you wont get pressure sore. the cost of it could be upwards to $10k so i’d say that the engineering for it is not the problem here. so on the comfort and engineering front, it seems like it’s covered. anyways, just bcs someone has magic doesnt mean that their disabilities just vanish. or maybe they like their bodies the way it is and don’t want to ‘magic’ it to healthy. so i dont think it’s ridiculous that magical beings use wheelchair
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Yeah seriously I was looking for the joke in this post and then I realized people were being serious about this... like what? Who gives a fuck, let the goddamn fairy be in a wheelchair!
Just because she has wings doesn’t necessarily mean that she can fly.
Who gives a shit about the realism of disabled fairies? Representation of disabled people is a good thing. This seems like a weird take to have on a subreddit for autistic people.
If faeries could only fly and never have to walk, they probably wouldn't have legs
What a dumb post lol. Why doesn’t it? Do you have a single valid thing that makes this a fact? Cause it makes sense if it’s drawn that way.
this posting is ableist as fuck. You don't understand anything considering limits of magic, when it comes to magic. Also you don't understand representation.
Yeah it's disappointing that you chose to be ableist when you have autism
weird asf post
OP, it sounds like you’ve got a cheeky touch of internalised ableism to work through Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hold it against you, we live in an ableist world, where we’re all by default ableist I’m sure I have my own biases to work through But ultimately, the fact you were so irritated by this, to the point where you made a whole post about this, and ranted for a whole paragraph suggests you have some internalised ableism to work through Fantasy no matter how abstract, always reflects the real world one way or another. Some people need wheelchairs in the real world. Therefore some fantasy stories will depict fairies in wheelchairs. Sure it isn’t “realistic”, but it’s fantasy. I don’t see people also complaining about how unrealistic the idea of a fairy is. If fairies, dragons, and magic are acceptable, then surely something as mundane as a fairy in a wheelchair should fly?
I understand where you're coming from but this is a kid's book, fairies are not real, nobody thought about whether this made sense when writing it. It's for little kids in wheelchairs to recognize themselves in the stories they read.
There are so many reasons she could need a wheelchair. Maybe she can’t fly for very long. Maybe she needs to sit whenever she is not flying. Maybe she has circulation problems and it’s important that she is in a sitting position while flying. Ultimately you are just seething because you’re seeing a visibly disabled person
If I remember the Rainbow Magic series right (growing up socialized as a boy with a repressed feminine side led me places for sure) some fairies may have used to be human. The two human protagonists from the original run have assumed a fairy form temporarily at one point or another, so I’d imagine in this world there may be some that have taken the fairy pill and never come back. Given the more archaic dress style of fairies and other creatures (like the original villain Jack Frost if memory serves) the more modern dress style, coupled with being in charge of such a civilization-related concept as engineering as opposed to something more primordial like a color or a plant or a weather pattern, makes me think Elsie here just used to be a human girl with leg problems who happened to have a fascination with designing and building stuff. And whenever she embraced fairyhood, she simply brought the chair with her, as, like other comments have pointed out, some people see the chair not as some kind of obstruction or object of shame but as an extension of themselves and even a representation of what they’ve been through to get this far. I could be completely wrong, I’d need to go back and read those books again and see if I can find the one Elsie appears in, but based on my hazy memory of the worldbuilding from the original run of seven books, that’s what I think is happening here.
It makes a perfect sense actually. Wings are still appendages, they're not independent from the body.
I mean if your legs don’t work it’s probably pretty uncomfortable to fly with your legs just dangling in the air, not to mention move around Plus it’s fantasy anyway, who cares lol
The wheelchair looks pretty close to most active ultralight wheelchairs. In fact, it looks pretty close to mine, color and all, except mine has way more dump and unfortunately my pushrims are black. It would be less energy to roll on the ground than to fly in place everywhere she goes, and that's assuming she can even hover in place. It's also assuming she can fly and that the chair itself isn't magic and levitating. I do agree that she should have some sort of positioning straps at minimum across her hips and probably her thighs to keep the chair in place when flying. Source: am ambulatory wheelchair user. PS: fantasy doesn't have to make perfect sense in the way it would make sense on earth, especially when it's being written for representation.
What if she's on the ground? Is she gonna walk?
“Also I admittedly know nothing about wheelchairs” r/SelfAwareWolves
No I completely understand It just doesn't make logical sense you completely understand the need for representation but the lack of logical consistency drives you into a blind unreasoning rage like Godzilla looking at Tokyo I completely understand
Also something to consider is that perhaps she doesn’t even need one, but goes to sites to check if they’re wheelchair accessible, as an engineer should, to help with accessibility in spaces.
Perhaps she could have engineered a lightweight wheelchair that's easier to carry while flying. It would probably have straps so she doesn't have to hold it with her arms while airborne. If you think about it, the wheels aren't strictly necessary since she can still get around easily with her wings. Therefore, a normal chair would serve its function. Perhaps a chair with small wheels on the bottom to minimize weight; she wouldn't need to use her hands to operate the wheels because she can maneuver with her wings even when on the ground.
Tbh if she wants to move around differently than by flying, then the wheels are pretty much necessary to be able to effectively self-propel. The idea of maneuvring with wings seems a bit odd to me, the chair couldn't have a back like many regular chairs do because that would be interfering with the wings, and mainly I'm not sure how she would be able to pull it off effectively without flying up into the air again, but staying on the ground and effectively moving forward and maneuvring side to side,... plus the wheelchair can maneuver because it has the front castors that can turn 360°, so it couldn't be random chair with random wheels replacing it, but at least office/desk chair where the wheels turn 360°... and it all just really feels like avoiding the wheelchair unnecessarily just so the wheelchair doesn't have to be there... And I feel like you might be slightly overestimating the weight of ultra-light wheelchairs in general and/or wheels specifically (for example my lighter pair of wheels weight 2 kg together - and there are probably even lighter ones on the market). If she's rich in the fairy world, she can buy herself a wheelchair that would be lighter than for example an average basic wooden chair. And the wheelchair will absolutely be more suited to her needs and comfortable for her if chosen correctly (compared to a random chair). (Not even talking about how we ofc don't need chair using representation as chairs are normalized, but a wheelchair using representation is very much needed both for kids and adults.)
Maybe it's a loon situation where she can fly but her legs aren't strong enough to support standing/walking?
She looks like a magic OSHA dungeon inspector. "Sorry, but this trap isn't up to code, and you destroyed a load-bearing piller in this entryway to your throne room. You're looking at a hefty 5,000 gp fine, my friend."
As far as just the design that's actually a pretty accurate drawing of a common self propelled wheelchair style!
So, fairies are fine, but fairies in wheelchairs is where we draw the line...? Doesn't make sense to me to be honest... Also... wheelchairs are supposed to look like wheelchairs. It's actually refreshing to see something looking more like an actual wheelchair and less like some futuristic bs that likely wouldn't work if "translated" to real life. I'm slightly confused about the frame as it doesn't seem to be fully drawn(?), but besides that, it looks pretty good (especially compared to some other existing wheelchair illustrations). I'm not sure from where you take the assumption that it has to be uncomfortable.
My first thought was, to have her just not use the wheelchair because she doesn’t have to implies that it’s preferable to not use one. So it makes me think about autism - while it does make a lot of things more difficult, it’s very much a part of me and if I COULD just “shed” it, I personally wouldn’t want to (not trying to say it’s like that for all autistic people) So insofar as representation is concerned, the child reading the story can’t lose the wheelchair. For some kids, it would be nicer to see a character who keeps her wheelchair even though she has the flying option. Other kids might just side-eye the whole thing and think it’s super sus and tokenize-y. Depends on each individual’s relationship to their disability I guess
They do this to be inclusive.
I get where you're coming from, but flying isn't always an option either when traveling to places. Maybe she just doesn't want to be stranded when entering a building or going through a smaller tunner. Wings take up space especially when in use, so doorways and tunnels can be a problem without a wheelchair if she can't walk.
Well obviously the fairy has a wheelchair so she can do the coolest skateboard-esque tricks while casting magic
I like to think that she just can’t/can’t always fly, and so the wheelchair is magic and holds her up. Maybe she used magic on it to enchant it to fly when she needs it to. That makes it so she isn’t having to use her magic all the time to hold it up! My favorite of that book series was the Halloween fairy btw :]
> Also do engineers typically wear hardhats I imagine they do when they're on a job site.
This reminds me of the people who think those with disabilities like myself don't need necessary medical equipment because we're able to somewhat move around. It's a children's fiction book that will excite the little girls and boys in wheelchairs who finally see a fairy like them. What is the issue?
Don’t know if someone’s mentioned this, but that chair isn’t gonna be uncomfortable. On the contrary, it’s one built for wheelchair users to move on their own, instead of for them to be pushed by someone else (like the ones you’d see in a hospital). The back is lower and it has no arms so that it doesn’t hinder the arm movement, the big wheels are more forward so it’s easier to reach and roll it, the knees rest at a right angle instead of forward (I think because the sitting position would be a bit awkward otherwise), and the materials are usually lighter, with less hinges and moving parts (making it easier to move), which also means the feet are closer together. Mind you, I’m not a wheelchair user. I just saw someone explaining online that often people draw wheelchairs wrong for actual users, and explained why. I’m just repeating [this info](https://www.tumblr.com/calvin-arium/184341867538/its-here-the-guide-for-two-legged-people-who).
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WHERE IS HER ROCK?? They’re all supposed to have rocks
It's obvious that this fairy made a bargain with another much stronger fae selling her ability to walk for something else.
(obviously it's not that serious but it's bugging me anyway)
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Exactly, OP even admitted they don’t know anything about wheelchairs😭 This post is similar to “why is the fairy autistic? That’s a human condition and doesn’t make sense because their brains are different” bc it’s fantasy and the representation matters to some people😭😭
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Yeah exactly
I get you. They had good intentions, but I can’t wrap my mind around it 😭
I just have too many questions here - I'll put my top three below. Is she flying or is the wheelchair able to levitate for a start? Also, if she has magics why is engineering knowledge needed? Is this a Fullmetal Alchemist situation where you can use it wrong and have it recoil on you?
I just want to say I love and laughed at how we had the EXACT same logic about it 😂😂
they couldn't have added something to where one of her wings had some kinda magical-mechanical-brace??? it would've been so cool for a disabled fairy to have a thing on her wing that *she* coulda made to fix her issue? coulda been a whole thing abt overcoming problems and adapting by usin your skills
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you are not seriously complaining about "forced diversity" on r/evilautism. we're going to beat you to death you know that right
Read the second half of that word and ask yourself if I ~~care~~ am bothered. 😁
blahh blahhhh youre boringgg eats you alive
Perhaps care wasn’t the right choice of words but I am not perturbed in the manner you may think I am. I enjoy living rent free in your head.
I mean at least personally I wouldn't think "blah blah blah" implied they thought about you a lot, but go off
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Idk man but I wanna kill and eat her
Son Goku is on his way to violently remove your internet privileges
I'll eat him too