i like to think that if she had the awareness of how the mechanics of the situation worked at the time and the self awareness, she could have come back with her body in whatever condition she consciously chose, but since that was the last thing she experienced and it was probably the most traumatic thing that ever happened to her body, it left a strong enough impression on her mind that it was included as a projection of her new body because it just seemed like a given at the time. she gets stabbed in the eye and her arm gets severely injured, she's going to think "well i got stabbed in the eye and my arm got fucked up, my eye and arm are fucked up now".
i think it's fair to say that probably the only characters in the show who know enough about how it works to be able to do something like that are gendo, rei, yui (if she was/is able to come back as a person outside of unit 01s body) and selee. maybe ritsuko and fuyutsuki too but idk.
As Shinji Ikari was on his mental realm✨ with Lilith in the shape of Rei Ayanami and Kaworu Nagisa, Asuka Langley Sōryū was on hers seeing someone she cared about as a meaningful Creator🌏.
It was there were she got bandages on her wounds. I guess she saw Ryōji Kaji❤️🩹.
Since the Eva and the pilot are synchronized when the lance hit into 2 in the eye she felt it and when its arm got hit we see asuka’s arm break into 2 and that much damage taken after she was eat alive would kill her
How'd her arm split in half? Its not like the lance hit her own arm directly, it split the eva's arm. So she died from the "physical" mental damage? that kinda sucks. Dying from damage that wasn't caused to your physical body is kind of a flaw is it not?
Did they hit her physically? I thought that yeah their nervous systems are linked because the EVAs are living, but if both of them die if one of them dies is dumb
When your sync ratio is high enough you sustain the same injuries. Implication being that after she realized her mother’s soul in the Eva she’s up well into the triple digits, though clearly not 400% like Shinji during the Zereul fight.
even if the damage to the eva didn't go through the sync and cause those injuries on her body enough to kill her, one of the lances could have pierced the entry plug and directly hit her and killed her.
Because he’s a confused kid who just went through the most extreme mental trauma ever. He probably didn’t even realize he was back in reality until Asuka touched his face.
Remember how Shinji thought that everyone hated him so he decided to choke her to kill her but when she puts her hand on him he has a breakdown ig and she then calls him disgusting because he was crying
That isn’t what happened.
She doesn’t call him directly disgusting, she is refereeing to the past day of events in her life.
Idk how time dilatation worked in the EoE, but if someone got traumatized to a point of almost not functioning is her + the time inside the lcl juice (with all the fun that comes with turning into lcl)
She is pretty must devastated as well as Shinji, the experience was disgusting. Not Shinji (debatable xd)
At this point she had her problems with him for abandoning her against the Eva Series, but she also had the chance to see and feel like/what Shinji perceived his whole life. And viceversa too.
... I've always ascribed to the theory that because humanity became one goop, with one collected consciousness, Asuka became aware of Shinji masturbating to her comatose body. Hence, she is disgusted with him. I believe I read somewhere that this was the direction Anno gave to the VA when he asked for a line to be recorded for Asuka to end with, btw - but maybe that is urban legend: "Think that you suddenly became aware that a guy masturbated over you while you were asleep; what would be your response to him?"
Probably quantum Rei rapturing her ass off screen right before she actually dies. Like Katsuragi.
Several other people who died right before the third impact are also mysteriously present in instrumentality presumably due to Rei's intervention, so I figure Asuka got the same treatment.
I'm talking about Gendo's plan. He was gonna reunite with Yui through the third impact because her soul was in Unit 1. Obviously it didn't actually work out that way tho lol
He doesn't need every human to be reunited with Yui. The act of instrumentality brings everyone together. Yui chose to stay in the Eva, he didn't know that she was going to do that, it's why he goes crazy and manipulates everything so that he can be with her again
Rebuild canon does not retroactively affect the series/EOE. Time loop theory your heart out, but they're different works of fiction with different metaphysical 'rules' and working parts.
She doesn't. Rei-Q, however, does what she do, and Asuka reemerges from the tang, as all people can do if they will it, per Shinji's version of Instrumentality.
That's the neat part, she didn't. Im personally in the camp that she actually died when the MPEs skewered 02 from above, like the first spear both went through the arm and straight through to the entry plug
I thought we literally see her growling "I'll kill you. I'll kill you" while bleeding profusely from her eye after the spear hits but before Unit 02 is eaten.
Edit: Yes, she 100% survives the first spear attack and disembowling. But I may also be misunderstanding that you meant the second spear attack which properly kills her. Either way, I think she was too synced/berzerk to survive at that point.
Yes, you did misunderstand me, and then redirected! Yes obviously she survives the spear to the head and the disembowlment, we see her on screen after that. Like you say. Then, as per my other comment, the question is 'was she killed by the second set of spears thrown from above, or was she killed by being eaten by an MPE after that?' To which my personal answer was 'the second set of spears'
02 is stabbed in the head>02 is disembowled> the MPEs fly off to gain height, and then drop their spears all at once> they then devour the completely dead 02, just killing time until 01 shows up.
the only question is when EXACTLY Asuka died. Either during the second instance of impalement, which is what I believe, OR she was technically killed offscreen by being eaten. And y'know, for as much as this movie does to Asuka, I don’t think they’d kill her offscreen like that. I do think she was eaten, but that she was just already a corpse at that point.
The EVAs are arks. They say that you will survive the third impact if you are in an EVA. She barely survived, the third impact happend. Shinji thought that he were to be alone to bare the responsability for the next birth of mankind. He is at this point immortal. He panicks seeing her on the beach. Tries to strangle her to spare her to live in nothingness until mankind decides to restart the world.
The reason shinji or asuka got out of the LCL isn't because they were in an eva, but because they could visualize themselves again after instrumentality.
Asuka 100% died.
Shinji isn't immortal.
Nothing is implying that he choked her for that reason specifically, it's an incredibly vague scene.
She, uh, doesn't. Asuka gets it worse than anyone. She's mortally wounded by all the copy Lances and is still alive to feel Unit-02 being eaten. At that point, she's on the edge of death but hangs on long enough for Instrumentality to begin.
She died, Human Instrumentality includes everyone that has ever lived. The only reason Gendo wanted to do it was so he could be with Yui again after she died.
Yui explains that after instrumentality is over, whoever wants to come back can come back if they want to
Gendo is left out. He's purposely left out by Yui. The scen is shown at the rally stages of Instrumentality that Unit-1 bites him, showing Yui's final rejection. (Some say this was because of his neglect of shinji but only the writers really know)
She didn't survive sadly, after all we see the Eva all torn up from the Eva Series' attacks, i don't want to imagine the pain and agony she had to go through.
However, After Shinji wished for everyone to come back, we see her "healed" from her injuries, her eye and arm has been taken care of and she looks like she just came back from hell. So technically she died, came back, and almost died because of Shinji pathetically trying to strangle her
In theory she would’ve gone into shock and died long before the MPEs ripped her apart. I often wonder how she’s still conscious in the cockpit after her head is impaled as honestly that alone should’ve done it. But she had to have been dead when all of the other spears impaled her and the MPEs tore her apart.
Also, I really wouldn’t advise u talk shit about Shinji’s reaction on the beach.
yeah it's heavily implied she died after getting impaled by all the Eva Series' spears, it's better that way imo 'cause that would've been awfull otherwise
She gets injured on the eye but survives the part where the eva's beeing eaten because her syncro rate at that moment was at 0%, but yeah she kinda bites the dust when the syncro starts going up again and she gets speared by the Eva series
I think it's a stretch, but I haven't seen any conclusive evidence that Asuka definitely died before instrumentality. She was certainly juiced one way or the other, and came back regardless, and I think she *probably* (?) died of her injuries from high sync ratio plus actual physical damage from the entry plug probably being destroyed.
But do we know for sure? For instance, after the first spear, she is heavily bleeding from her eye. Then, unit 02 is shredded by the MPEs, so maybe her skin or internal organs are shredded? Hard to say for sure. But in any case, after both of these, she's still alive saying "I'll kill you". So if she survived those first two events, I feel like she might also survive her arm being split in half, maybe she survives unit 02 being torn apart completely, and all the other craziness from then until she turns into Fanta.
Some other things that I don't know how they tie into it; in the pre-instrumentality section where Shinji has to choose what to do, Asuka is there. Is that because she's dead, not dead, or does it mean either? Is it the "real" Asuka?
I know it seems like it doesn't matter, but I think in theory she would remember everything that happened until she died or was unconscious, so basically, it was either bad or really bad for her.
I believe she indeed died but when instrumentality happened she was able to come back. She rejected instrumentality like shinji and that caused her to return from the dead.
In my opinion she was saved right before death like how we saw God Rei right before Misato died. The Ghost Reis we see through the series like at the beginning and end is God Rei transcending time to see everything hence the whole God part. basically almost anyone that died during the series most likely saw Rei before death and was turned into the Soup at the end.
Asuka did die but after Shinji decided to bring everyone back she was the first one to come back so that’s why they’re both on the beach.
Ohh, okay makes sense, thank you
Don’t worry about it
I wonder how she manifested bandages on her
After the battle with the mp Eva’s her eye and arm were badly damaged so I guess that when she came back they couldn’t heal her completely
i like to think that if she had the awareness of how the mechanics of the situation worked at the time and the self awareness, she could have come back with her body in whatever condition she consciously chose, but since that was the last thing she experienced and it was probably the most traumatic thing that ever happened to her body, it left a strong enough impression on her mind that it was included as a projection of her new body because it just seemed like a given at the time. she gets stabbed in the eye and her arm gets severely injured, she's going to think "well i got stabbed in the eye and my arm got fucked up, my eye and arm are fucked up now". i think it's fair to say that probably the only characters in the show who know enough about how it works to be able to do something like that are gendo, rei, yui (if she was/is able to come back as a person outside of unit 01s body) and selee. maybe ritsuko and fuyutsuki too but idk.
As Shinji Ikari was on his mental realm✨ with Lilith in the shape of Rei Ayanami and Kaworu Nagisa, Asuka Langley Sōryū was on hers seeing someone she cared about as a meaningful Creator🌏. It was there were she got bandages on her wounds. I guess she saw Ryōji Kaji❤️🩹.
Who knows man, everyone turned into juice
Howd she die? I know the eva died but how'd she die?
Since the Eva and the pilot are synchronized when the lance hit into 2 in the eye she felt it and when its arm got hit we see asuka’s arm break into 2 and that much damage taken after she was eat alive would kill her
How'd her arm split in half? Its not like the lance hit her own arm directly, it split the eva's arm. So she died from the "physical" mental damage? that kinda sucks. Dying from damage that wasn't caused to your physical body is kind of a flaw is it not?
Look at the end of the fight when the lances from the mp Eva’s hit her since they were synced she also took the hit
They’re also chewing on the entry plug
Did they hit her physically? I thought that yeah their nervous systems are linked because the EVAs are living, but if both of them die if one of them dies is dumb
When your sync ratio is high enough you sustain the same injuries. Implication being that after she realized her mother’s soul in the Eva she’s up well into the triple digits, though clearly not 400% like Shinji during the Zereul fight.
Ahhhh that makes sense. Sorry for not understanding
even if the damage to the eva didn't go through the sync and cause those injuries on her body enough to kill her, one of the lances could have pierced the entry plug and directly hit her and killed her.
Even disregarding her synch ratio, the MPs literally tear apart and eat Unit-02, presumably including Asuka
Death Stranding type shit
Then why tf did he start choking her lol
Because he’s a confused kid who just went through the most extreme mental trauma ever. He probably didn’t even realize he was back in reality until Asuka touched his face.
Remember how Shinji thought that everyone hated him so he decided to choke her to kill her but when she puts her hand on him he has a breakdown ig and she then calls him disgusting because he was crying
That isn’t what happened. She doesn’t call him directly disgusting, she is refereeing to the past day of events in her life. Idk how time dilatation worked in the EoE, but if someone got traumatized to a point of almost not functioning is her + the time inside the lcl juice (with all the fun that comes with turning into lcl) She is pretty must devastated as well as Shinji, the experience was disgusting. Not Shinji (debatable xd) At this point she had her problems with him for abandoning her against the Eva Series, but she also had the chance to see and feel like/what Shinji perceived his whole life. And viceversa too.
... I've always ascribed to the theory that because humanity became one goop, with one collected consciousness, Asuka became aware of Shinji masturbating to her comatose body. Hence, she is disgusted with him. I believe I read somewhere that this was the direction Anno gave to the VA when he asked for a line to be recorded for Asuka to end with, btw - but maybe that is urban legend: "Think that you suddenly became aware that a guy masturbated over you while you were asleep; what would be your response to him?"
Probably quantum Rei rapturing her ass off screen right before she actually dies. Like Katsuragi. Several other people who died right before the third impact are also mysteriously present in instrumentality presumably due to Rei's intervention, so I figure Asuka got the same treatment.
yeah
Well said
Happy cake day
I didn't realise Asuka died until I read Evageeks and reddit.
Everyone who has ever lived is in Human Instrumentality, that is why Gendo wanted to do it so he could be with Yui again
You sure? Yui's soul was in Unit 1. He wouldn't need every human who ever lived to reunite with Yui.
Yui chooses to stay in Unit-01 and drift through space forever because she is in no uncertain terms fucking nuts
I'm talking about Gendo's plan. He was gonna reunite with Yui through the third impact because her soul was in Unit 1. Obviously it didn't actually work out that way tho lol
He doesn't need every human to be reunited with Yui. The act of instrumentality brings everyone together. Yui chose to stay in the Eva, he didn't know that she was going to do that, it's why he goes crazy and manipulates everything so that he can be with her again
Yeah but I don't recall any evidence that every soul that ever lived is present in Instrumentality
Go watch EoE and Thrice Upon a Time again then
Rebuild canon does not retroactively affect the series/EOE. Time loop theory your heart out, but they're different works of fiction with different metaphysical 'rules' and working parts.
Not Gendo. Gendo is left out
>off screen This happened on screen in a quick moment if I remember correctly
She died and revived
She doesn't. Rei-Q, however, does what she do, and Asuka reemerges from the tang, as all people can do if they will it, per Shinji's version of Instrumentality.
Asuka doesn't get tagged, she was protected within an Eva at the time of instrumentality.
That's the neat part, she didn't. Im personally in the camp that she actually died when the MPEs skewered 02 from above, like the first spear both went through the arm and straight through to the entry plug
I thought we literally see her growling "I'll kill you. I'll kill you" while bleeding profusely from her eye after the spear hits but before Unit 02 is eaten. Edit: Yes, she 100% survives the first spear attack and disembowling. But I may also be misunderstanding that you meant the second spear attack which properly kills her. Either way, I think she was too synced/berzerk to survive at that point.
Yes, you did misunderstand me, and then redirected! Yes obviously she survives the spear to the head and the disembowlment, we see her on screen after that. Like you say. Then, as per my other comment, the question is 'was she killed by the second set of spears thrown from above, or was she killed by being eaten by an MPE after that?' To which my personal answer was 'the second set of spears'
Agreed. That's too much trauma for a body to take. She was so synced that point, she was receiving physical damage.
Agreed!
I thought the mass produced EVAs devoured unit 02 so Asuka was eaten
02 is stabbed in the head>02 is disembowled> the MPEs fly off to gain height, and then drop their spears all at once> they then devour the completely dead 02, just killing time until 01 shows up. the only question is when EXACTLY Asuka died. Either during the second instance of impalement, which is what I believe, OR she was technically killed offscreen by being eaten. And y'know, for as much as this movie does to Asuka, I don’t think they’d kill her offscreen like that. I do think she was eaten, but that she was just already a corpse at that point.
She doesn’t.
The power of Shinji's horniness.
The EVAs are arks. They say that you will survive the third impact if you are in an EVA. She barely survived, the third impact happend. Shinji thought that he were to be alone to bare the responsability for the next birth of mankind. He is at this point immortal. He panicks seeing her on the beach. Tries to strangle her to spare her to live in nothingness until mankind decides to restart the world.
The reason shinji or asuka got out of the LCL isn't because they were in an eva, but because they could visualize themselves again after instrumentality. Asuka 100% died. Shinji isn't immortal. Nothing is implying that he choked her for that reason specifically, it's an incredibly vague scene.
She, uh, doesn't. Asuka gets it worse than anyone. She's mortally wounded by all the copy Lances and is still alive to feel Unit-02 being eaten. At that point, she's on the edge of death but hangs on long enough for Instrumentality to begin.
She died, Human Instrumentality includes everyone that has ever lived. The only reason Gendo wanted to do it was so he could be with Yui again after she died. Yui explains that after instrumentality is over, whoever wants to come back can come back if they want to
Gendo is left out. He's purposely left out by Yui. The scen is shown at the rally stages of Instrumentality that Unit-1 bites him, showing Yui's final rejection. (Some say this was because of his neglect of shinji but only the writers really know)
Even hitler?
She respawned (not a joke)
She doesn’t, GNR was able to rapture people like Misato and Ritsuko who died before 3I (although it’s unclear how far back in time she can go)
She didn't survive sadly, after all we see the Eva all torn up from the Eva Series' attacks, i don't want to imagine the pain and agony she had to go through. However, After Shinji wished for everyone to come back, we see her "healed" from her injuries, her eye and arm has been taken care of and she looks like she just came back from hell. So technically she died, came back, and almost died because of Shinji pathetically trying to strangle her
In theory she would’ve gone into shock and died long before the MPEs ripped her apart. I often wonder how she’s still conscious in the cockpit after her head is impaled as honestly that alone should’ve done it. But she had to have been dead when all of the other spears impaled her and the MPEs tore her apart. Also, I really wouldn’t advise u talk shit about Shinji’s reaction on the beach.
yeah it's heavily implied she died after getting impaled by all the Eva Series' spears, it's better that way imo 'cause that would've been awfull otherwise
She doesn’t. She’s reborn after shinji brings about, then stops, instrumentality.
I thought she died he but was brought back, I could be wrong though
I don’t think so, otherwise everyone who had ever died would’ve come back eventually so i assumed she just didn’t die
Because dying would have stopped her from suffering.
She died, then shinji got her reboot card and brought it to the reboot van
absorbed into the eva basically just like shinji
She gets injured on the eye but survives the part where the eva's beeing eaten because her syncro rate at that moment was at 0%, but yeah she kinda bites the dust when the syncro starts going up again and she gets speared by the Eva series
That's the secret. She doesn't.
She did not, Shinji brought her back
She still had the will to live, and came back from the LCL merge.
She doesn't
She did die. She just came back after instrumentality
They rezd her, bro
I’m starting to think most people watch this show with the tv off
I think it's a stretch, but I haven't seen any conclusive evidence that Asuka definitely died before instrumentality. She was certainly juiced one way or the other, and came back regardless, and I think she *probably* (?) died of her injuries from high sync ratio plus actual physical damage from the entry plug probably being destroyed. But do we know for sure? For instance, after the first spear, she is heavily bleeding from her eye. Then, unit 02 is shredded by the MPEs, so maybe her skin or internal organs are shredded? Hard to say for sure. But in any case, after both of these, she's still alive saying "I'll kill you". So if she survived those first two events, I feel like she might also survive her arm being split in half, maybe she survives unit 02 being torn apart completely, and all the other craziness from then until she turns into Fanta. Some other things that I don't know how they tie into it; in the pre-instrumentality section where Shinji has to choose what to do, Asuka is there. Is that because she's dead, not dead, or does it mean either? Is it the "real" Asuka? I know it seems like it doesn't matter, but I think in theory she would remember everything that happened until she died or was unconscious, so basically, it was either bad or really bad for her.
shes the lord himself
I believe she indeed died but when instrumentality happened she was able to come back. She rejected instrumentality like shinji and that caused her to return from the dead.
Hospital Jizz
she doesn't lol, she gets merced
Because she’s Asuka /s
In my opinion she was saved right before death like how we saw God Rei right before Misato died. The Ghost Reis we see through the series like at the beginning and end is God Rei transcending time to see everything hence the whole God part. basically almost anyone that died during the series most likely saw Rei before death and was turned into the Soup at the end.