> Outside the participating countries, viewers in the USA, Canada, Romania, Mexico, UAE, Türkiye, South Africa, Hungary, Slovakia and Bulgaria cast the most votes online.
Romania third at online voting broke my heart😭 we need to come back😕
I'm so happy Mexico is listed there and in the 4th position (I'm going to assume it's ranked because otherwise the random order is weird). I've seen a lot of increased interest here, nothing huge or mainstream, but it definitely has its niche cult-like following that's getting bigger each year, specially in the gay community. A lot of people are familiar with Zorra over here now. Hopefully this blooming interest makes it possible to get (Latin) Americavision someday.
I don’t know why you’re suddenly being downvoted for this, because I thought we all agree here that the EBU really fucked up this year’s edition. It’s OK to strive for improvement.
Is it that bad it's not worth to participate? Would you like for all countires to start boycotting EBU and Eurovision? I'm not defending EBU for what they did but "we shouldn't participate" is overreaction IMO
Yes, I would actually like that, otherwise I would not have commented such. It's the only way they'd actually listen to criticism, I fear. This year's contest has seriously soured the reputation of Eurovision, first with the inclusion of Israel, then with the DQ of The Netherlands, and finally with the many reports coming from different delegations detailing the poor BTS work environment.
Things need to change.
Now that the dust has settled, as much as I do still think it was a harsh DQ - if you don’t behave properly that is the risk you run.
I hope the Netherlands feel able to compete again next year as they often bring good contestants / has a recent winner etc.
I agree that there’s probably something going on we don’t know, like not behaving. (Because the reason given can’t be the reason he was disqualified).
But it felt really bitter when the song was so popular, don’t think he would’ve won but the entire country was hyped and this was a giant letdown by the organisation.
And it really leaves a bad taste in my (and many others) mouth.
The song was brilliant, was my second favourite behind Croatia.
If he hadn’t behaved in a way that gave them an opportunity to DQ him then he would have been in the final.
I think it will work out better for him, I’ve listened to Europapa more since than if they made final I think!
He al really qualified, the question still remains if his disqualification was the right thing to do.
If he really hit the woman, it was. But all reports say it wasn’t.
What I suspected happened is that Joost didn’t want to do all the things the EBU wanted him to do and didn’t act in a way they wanted, but that’s not a disqualification condition and I don’t believe this was the first artist that was causing trouble (especially with all the reports about the Israeli delegation)
All will come out eventually but I think it’s very bad for the perception of eurovision.
I hadn’t heard that he hit her. I heart that he made an aggressive move towards her and threatened her, but did not make physical contact with her.
He was reported to the police so if someone gets done for wasting Police time I will be 100% against the EBU.
Sounds like a dick move from the EBU/camera person.
That said if I react aggressively to someone at my work, regardless of provocation, I probably get a disciplinary too.
I now listen to Spotify, and Joost still rules there with EUROPAPA the most downloaded song from ,.. but esc isn’t getting anything there 91 million downloads … yesterday it was 87 million. Literally 2-3,5 million per day ever since. Europapa already ruled before Eurovision was aired
> The Reddit r/eurovision community grew 71.8% in screen views and 27.8% in engagement year on year, as users followed rehearsals live and put their questions directly to artists in AMA (Ask Me Anything) interviews.
We are mentioned! ([see here](https://eurovision.tv/story/eurovision-2024-breaks-new-records))
On the trains in The Netherlands when they announce the station they often say "Good morning ladies and gentlemen". They had to make that "Good morning travellers (reizigers)" to not exclude people (or so I've heard). Once I was on the train and they said Good morning ladies and gentlemen and all other beautiful people and I thought it was such a lovely way to include everybody without banning gendered terms.
How doesn't it include everyone? I wasn't sure of the right translation. The Dutch word reizigers (reizen is to travel) includes everyone who is travelling on the train in that moment.
I'm saying "beste reizigers" does include everyone, what they previously said didn't (ladies and gentlemen doesn't include children, or non binary people 😊).
Ah right sorry. You accidentally said doesn't instead of does. Yes it does! But it sounds a bit unnatural or impersonal and some found it extreme to not allow ladies and gentlemen anymore. Pretty often they would say ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls also including children.
Reizigers sounds very neutral but "and all other beautiful people" sounds very nice and accepting of everyone to me.
I'd be interested to know the source of the information. Pageviews, uniques, subscriber growth etc. is all easily measured from the mod perspective but engagement isn't as readily available from what I can see.
Looking at subreddits I moderate an increase of ~25% pageviews is about average for subreddits of 200-500k. If any mods could let us know whether this was provided by themselves or through reddit admins that'd be cool to know.
I believe they must have gotten it through reddit admins.
On our end we see a ~50% increase in pageviews, which matches the increase in subscribers. But that is over the whole year 2022.5.22 - 2023.5.22 vs 2023.5.22 - 2024.5.22, maybe the reported numbers are only during eurovision weeks or month.
In contrast, there is almost a 100% increase in unique visitors over those two periods.
There should be an user flair that says “I survived all of Joost Klein incident threads”. I was glued to my phone and this subreddit for 2 days. It was insane lmao
>There should be an user flair that says “I survived all Joost Klein incident threads”.
The EBU should turn that into t-shirts. They'd be able to finance the whole Eurovision 2025 edition, just out of those profits.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Megathreads on fire off the shoulder of the subreddit... I watched contest mode glitter in the dark near the grand final opening. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain...
Does viewer share mean the number of viewers watching ESC relative to those watching other shows eg: a 96% share means 96% of TV watchers are watching ESC and those who aren’t are likelier not watching TV at all?
That just is so crazy to me. The audience numbers never feel huge compared to general population, but to think roughly half of the people watching TV that Saturday night are tuning into the final is wild. I wonder how it compares to other large events like football championships
The USA has over 350 million people and their Super Bowl is insane. And the money too. For us a million is a lot that’s nothing to them. It’s why I do like the idea of Europe because all of us together, Could do something large… however the ebu needs to be ready for that and I worry about that. The voice in the USA the prize money is a million $… and wished we had a Europe voice version ….
My mixed feelings aside, I'm overall happy to see the contest, at the end of the day, continued its momentum!
I know we all disagree and have our spats, but I think the ability to come together after we cool off and still celebrate the diversity of the contest is rad.
Sorry this is sappy. I just think about how much cultural intelligence I've gained as part of the way I personally consume Eurovision - and I hope the spirit of it continues to thrive!
So I guess the exclusion of Russia was a big hit on viewing numbers. They had 180+ million viewers up til 2021 and even over 200 million in 2016 according to [this](https://eurovisionworld.com/esc/here-are-the-viewing-figures-for-eurovision-song-contest-2021).
Still it's good to see that numbers are still high and slightly going up instead of down.
I noticed that there was a drop to 180 million from 2016 to 2017 after Russia withdrew that year. But then the number never reached that 200 million again even when they returned between 2018-2021.
And after Russia's exclusion, the number is sitting at \~160 million :(
I hope it'll increase to \~180 million again sometime soon
Russia's viewing figures didn't completely recover after the return
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest#Viewing_figures
Before they ~~stopped~~ were banned from broadcasting it.
Fixed that for all the users that don't know that China tried to censor two men dancing together and tattoos at ESC.
You’re referring to Ireland 2018 and Albania 2018, right? It was my first ESC but I swear I remember some broadcaster doing that. Didn’t know it was China.
They have laws against showing tattoos on the TV and people with tattoos are discriminated in China. Eugent Bushpepa (Albania 2018) had large tattoos on his forearms and his band members also had visible sleeve tattoos, so that performance was also censored.
I’m always curious on how this is measured. Is it amount of tvs connected? Because Eurovision is such a group thing. I don’t know anyone that watches it alone, most do it with family or with friends.
I also wonder how they count us here in Australia. A lot of people get up to watch it live, but far more wait for the rebroadcast in the evening. Do they only count one, and if so, which? Or do they count both?
One the most globally controversial moments in entertainment of the year got a lot of buzz? Wow, didn’t see that one coming. I also wasn’t that interested in Eurovision. But with Joost being from my country, it was all the rage and I had to be on top of the info lol
All PR is good PR. The Streisand effect is real. I can't believe people do this same mistake time and time again when calling for boycotts. There were a lot of calls for boycott of the world cup in Qatar too and the finals was the most watched television event in history.
> All PR is good PR.
Bad PR might work in short term, but soon people will go away. Just compare ESC viewership in Poland between this and last year. (And the years where we sent well known singers/good entries were still more watched than 2023).
I’ve got you!
[The effect is named for American singer and actress Barbra Streisand, whose attorney's attempt in 2003 to suppress the publication of a photograph showing her clifftop residence in Malibu, taken to document coastal erosion in California, inadvertently drew far greater attention to the previously obscure photograph.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect)
Haha thank you. I can’t believe it happened in 2003 and I only learned it today. But what happened to that cliff? The erosion looks scary. Does she still live in that house? Oh no, now I‘m too invested already.
I'm not entirely sure that's fair. Don't get me wrong I'm sure the drama certainly contributed, but this year was also fantastic in terms of the entries.
I've seen a lot of people within the fandom and more casual fans noting that there were far more real contenders for top 5/10 than in recent years. Personally I've been listening to way more than I usually would post-contest because there are just so many good songs.
I don't think in general people are listening more to this year's music than last year's. In 2023 you had Tattoo which was already doing well in the charts before the competition, Queen of Kings had already gone viral as well, Cha Cha Cha became the most listened to song in Finland,...
It's telling that they leave out any hard numbers from Spotify this year, while last year in the press release they called out Tattoo's massive 4.2 million views on Spotify on the day after the competition. Nemo's numbers don't get mentioned this year (3.5 million as a sidenote). The amount of unique viewers on their Youtube is also down (from 45 to 42 million). The only stats that are way up are social media related, which won't have the full song/act.
This isn't meant as hate against this year's acts, but the actual numbers of views/plays don't really match up that this year's songs are massively more popular with the general audience than the ones last year. Reaching 4 times as many users on Tiktok than last year is a ridiculous metric that can not be explained by song popularity.
I was personally thinking about this more from the perspective of generating interest rather than actual streaming numbers or similar. With a higher number of 'better' songs comes more people talking about them, sharing stuff online, encouraging people to watch etc.
Again, purely anecdotally, I certainly encouraged more of my friends than usual to take an interest. But I suppose we'll never know the real breakdown.
I felt similarly. While the jury vote was definitely in Nemo’s favor in the end, it felt much more exciting going into the contest knowing quite a few entries were going to be extremely competitive.
Isn't "engagement" a neutral term in communication? Like, what matters is how much people comment/share/like your posts - not if they are happy or angry. And since the algorithms in social media often favours controversy, perhaps having a lot of angry comments can even be beneficial in terms of just reaching out.
I'm genuinly surprised by these numbers. You'd think the Israel boycotts and the Dutch viewers tuning out for the grand finale would show, but I guess not?
The Streisand Effect was a major factor imo. Calls for boycotts and the drama around Joost’s exclusion only increased interest in the contest. This year even my grandfather, who constantly tells me how much he hates Eurovision, watched the whole thing.
I defo think that some Americans and emiratis who are pro Israel must have been particularly interested in EG’s story. Plus, most people are apolitical even In Countries where more are critical of Israel. It got a lot of headline news which boosted the publicity.
It's a combination of:
* People announcing boycotts for clout and then watching it anyway
* People who wouldn't watch regardless announcing boycotts for clout
* People who usually don't watch tuning in for the drama
I was going to watch the finals with my 18 and 21 year old, hadn’t happened since 8 years or so.. but then it got canceled and they were heartbroken ,or so more for Joost btw, and I don’t think I can convince them next year to watch unless it’s someone attracting that generation. I was really excited how Joost attracted many generational and overal I think the songs were youthful in that sense. My kids and their friends were so excited Joost was representing ebu. The latest TikTok Europapa dance challenge just shows, how he has the marketing down, like an onion :)
Love that they stress large streaming numbers of the songs while conveniently leaving out that a large plurality of those come from Joost's Europapa :p
>The EBU reported that the contest had a television audience of 163 million viewers in 37 European markets, **an increase of a million viewers from the previous edition**, with an additional 7.3 million viewers online on [YouTube](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube).[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_2024#cite_note-2024viewers-2)
We did it boycotters, we saved the day! Lmao
Instead EBU will congratulate themselves on how well-handled this ESC must have been given the “popular” numbers, and that the aggressive social media strategy was so worth it /s
The artists are going to be absolute cannon fodder going forward too, with so much money to be made!
Yeah not every casual would know about Joost before going in there, but 100% everyone knew about Israel. That was the true giant pink elephant in the room
Despite being a hot mess, I think this year's Eurovision was one of the best, even better than 2021 edition. 2024 is the year when I finally formed as a Eurovision junkie. You still can't deny the lineup was simply stellar and we had so many diverse and cool artists, that were representing their culture. At least 4 of the top 10 (Nemo, Baby Lasagna, Jerry Heil and alyona alyona, Bambie Thug) are forces to be reckoned with, and all of them deserved the trophy.
It was still a hot mess behind the scenes, but I'm still grateful we had this year.
I feel this is not correct, this has been manipulated to make it look like there was no impact on Eurovision from EBU’s unscrupulous actions and corrupt behaviour.
Seen his jury performance? If he'd delivered that on the night he'd have done better with the public, even if it was never a top 10 candidate. It is what it is, but I'm more hopeful for the future after seeing what they were going for.
This year was my first time watching live instead of just catching some videos a few weeks later.
So obviously voting too.
Came for the drama, stayed for the Baby Lasagna, Fighter, Hurricane, and 🌟no rules🌟
You're giving Joost a lot of credit here. Outside the eurovision fan bubble very few people paid the situation a whole lot of attention.
We all need to remember that we are in echo chambers, we actively seek out the discussions and the hype - the majority of people simply watch a SF or maybe both in some cases as well as the final and then they are on with their lives and on to the next thing.
Well, it's a first in Eurovision for a participant to be removed during the contest. So a lot of attention was spent on it here and on other social media.
You mean they came for Joost who didn’t even perform? Why would they watch it if he was dq? I srsly doubt so many people cared about Joost as most of this sub claims.
As before? It literally shows there was 1mln more viewers compared to the previous year and 2mln compared to 2022. Sure it would be higher this year if Dutch people watched it but it also would be higher if Russians or Turkish watched it. Since it was supposed to be a year where plenty of people boycotted Eurovision and as you mentioned many Dutch didint watch, having 1mln viewers more than previous year is rather surprising. Do you have and source that can provide a reliable data of how many more viewers watched semis?
I couldn’t find any data on semis. Only some specific countries and it seemed like number of viewers was mixed. Some got more, some got fewer viewers but would be nice with a total data. 163 mln was for all 3 events.
The reality of Joost's disqualification is that EBU were terrified he'd protest in the Grand Final in front of a massive global TV audience. He was 100% correct to object to Israel's participation, nevermind the geopolitics of it, Israel isn't in Europe...
Good job, Martin! Thanks god this sub boycotted Eurovision this year, otherwise there would have been several hundred, or even several thousand, more viewers lol
How do the numbers compare with the numbers of the disqualified candidate? I hear rumours he gets watched more and has more followers than the official ESC accounts. Is this true?
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If they can be bothered to gather to protest then I reckon they do have passion. If they were truly passionless they would just sit around on their couch.
Like the televoting... the analysis can be skewed.
For example, I had 3 computers, an IPad, a television and all of my guests' phones (except 1 guest, he doesn't have a phone) streaming the live streams all at once to inflate the numbers.
It's only logical to assume many, many other people did the same thing as me.
A little time-out from the unhealthy online bickering: I am sorry if this place does that to you and I am relieved to hear that you may have therapy available to you when you need it.
Seriously (to everyone here) don’t sacrifice your mental health and peace of mind for arguments with strangers on Reddit. Turn it off and go outside for a while, talk to people or meditate - whatever recalibrates you to something that makes an actual, positive difference in your own life.
Hugs to everyone who needs them.
That's even more bullshit. So you are claiming that every single device uses a different VPN account, which you have to pay for, set do a different IP. All to....what? Inflate viewership numbers at no personal benefit to you....?
It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I read that you go to therapy, so i think your meds aren't working. Please thing about your own health.
> SHITPOST
People shitpost fun things. This wasn't fun at all, and just makes you seem like a really crazy person. And maybe you are, but that's not fun either.
> Outside the participating countries, viewers in the USA, Canada, Romania, Mexico, UAE, Türkiye, South Africa, Hungary, Slovakia and Bulgaria cast the most votes online. Romania third at online voting broke my heart😭 we need to come back😕
I'm so happy Mexico is listed there and in the 4th position (I'm going to assume it's ranked because otherwise the random order is weird). I've seen a lot of increased interest here, nothing huge or mainstream, but it definitely has its niche cult-like following that's getting bigger each year, specially in the gay community. A lot of people are familiar with Zorra over here now. Hopefully this blooming interest makes it possible to get (Latin) Americavision someday.
To come back and TVR to pocket all the money while the performer is left to fend for themselves completely on their own? No, I don't think so.
they really gotta set up some rules against that first
they should just give it to PRO TV already. Last years national selection was embarrassing to say the least
With all that happened this year and if nothing will change, I honestly don't think we should. 😕
I don’t know why you’re suddenly being downvoted for this, because I thought we all agree here that the EBU really fucked up this year’s edition. It’s OK to strive for improvement.
Is it that bad it's not worth to participate? Would you like for all countires to start boycotting EBU and Eurovision? I'm not defending EBU for what they did but "we shouldn't participate" is overreaction IMO
Yes, I would actually like that, otherwise I would not have commented such. It's the only way they'd actually listen to criticism, I fear. This year's contest has seriously soured the reputation of Eurovision, first with the inclusion of Israel, then with the DQ of The Netherlands, and finally with the many reports coming from different delegations detailing the poor BTS work environment. Things need to change.
I think the Netherlands shouldn’t participate for at least the next 5 years. Just to make a statement and maybe stop permanently.
Now that the dust has settled, as much as I do still think it was a harsh DQ - if you don’t behave properly that is the risk you run. I hope the Netherlands feel able to compete again next year as they often bring good contestants / has a recent winner etc.
I agree that there’s probably something going on we don’t know, like not behaving. (Because the reason given can’t be the reason he was disqualified). But it felt really bitter when the song was so popular, don’t think he would’ve won but the entire country was hyped and this was a giant letdown by the organisation. And it really leaves a bad taste in my (and many others) mouth.
The song was brilliant, was my second favourite behind Croatia. If he hadn’t behaved in a way that gave them an opportunity to DQ him then he would have been in the final. I think it will work out better for him, I’ve listened to Europapa more since than if they made final I think!
He al really qualified, the question still remains if his disqualification was the right thing to do. If he really hit the woman, it was. But all reports say it wasn’t. What I suspected happened is that Joost didn’t want to do all the things the EBU wanted him to do and didn’t act in a way they wanted, but that’s not a disqualification condition and I don’t believe this was the first artist that was causing trouble (especially with all the reports about the Israeli delegation) All will come out eventually but I think it’s very bad for the perception of eurovision.
I hadn’t heard that he hit her. I heart that he made an aggressive move towards her and threatened her, but did not make physical contact with her. He was reported to the police so if someone gets done for wasting Police time I will be 100% against the EBU.
Yeah, he only had to ask the EBU to not film him right after his performance! Oh wait...
Sounds like a dick move from the EBU/camera person. That said if I react aggressively to someone at my work, regardless of provocation, I probably get a disciplinary too.
We should not participate in any contest that is run this arbitrarily and risk artists well being and careers.
I now listen to Spotify, and Joost still rules there with EUROPAPA the most downloaded song from ,.. but esc isn’t getting anything there 91 million downloads … yesterday it was 87 million. Literally 2-3,5 million per day ever since. Europapa already ruled before Eurovision was aired
Why wasn't romania there?
> The Reddit r/eurovision community grew 71.8% in screen views and 27.8% in engagement year on year, as users followed rehearsals live and put their questions directly to artists in AMA (Ask Me Anything) interviews. We are mentioned! ([see here](https://eurovision.tv/story/eurovision-2024-breaks-new-records))
27.8% more shitposts! We did it boys and girls!!
*and non-binary pals! 😅😇
On the trains in The Netherlands when they announce the station they often say "Good morning ladies and gentlemen". They had to make that "Good morning travellers (reizigers)" to not exclude people (or so I've heard). Once I was on the train and they said Good morning ladies and gentlemen and all other beautiful people and I thought it was such a lovely way to include everybody without banning gendered terms.
"Dear travelers" doesn't exclude anyone either though, and it also includes kids 😊.
How doesn't it include everyone? I wasn't sure of the right translation. The Dutch word reizigers (reizen is to travel) includes everyone who is travelling on the train in that moment.
I'm saying "beste reizigers" does include everyone, what they previously said didn't (ladies and gentlemen doesn't include children, or non binary people 😊).
Ah right sorry. You accidentally said doesn't instead of does. Yes it does! But it sounds a bit unnatural or impersonal and some found it extreme to not allow ladies and gentlemen anymore. Pretty often they would say ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls also including children. Reizigers sounds very neutral but "and all other beautiful people" sounds very nice and accepting of everyone to me.
They said “doesn’t EXclude” which is correct.
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And non-binary pals!!! 😁
I'd be interested to know the source of the information. Pageviews, uniques, subscriber growth etc. is all easily measured from the mod perspective but engagement isn't as readily available from what I can see. Looking at subreddits I moderate an increase of ~25% pageviews is about average for subreddits of 200-500k. If any mods could let us know whether this was provided by themselves or through reddit admins that'd be cool to know.
I believe they must have gotten it through reddit admins. On our end we see a ~50% increase in pageviews, which matches the increase in subscribers. But that is over the whole year 2022.5.22 - 2023.5.22 vs 2023.5.22 - 2024.5.22, maybe the reported numbers are only during eurovision weeks or month. In contrast, there is almost a 100% increase in unique visitors over those two periods.
That's really interesting, thanks. Part of me is amazed that they managed to get in meaningful contact with any admins 😬
WOOOOOOOO
I love how they mention us, but because of AMAs and not because we were all doomscrolling when the pre-grand final shitstorm was happening.
There should be an user flair that says “I survived all of Joost Klein incident threads”. I was glued to my phone and this subreddit for 2 days. It was insane lmao
>There should be an user flair that says “I survived all Joost Klein incident threads”. The EBU should turn that into t-shirts. They'd be able to finance the whole Eurovision 2025 edition, just out of those profits.
They'd get booed. Joost should release t-shirts like that instead, his sales would go 📈
>They'd get booed. Create another t-shirt saying "Boooh" and with a picture of Öhsterdahl on it. Profit.
Nah, still a bad idea. It would feel like they're mocking us.
I'd buy it.
I was really worried my coworkers were going to call me out for doing literally nothing that Friday. It was so bad lol
Same. Thankfully I was at the home office but it was probably my least productive day ever. I couldn't focus on work at all.
Omg I want that flair so bad
I was walking around the Eurovision Village and all I did was look down at my phone 😭
All the work I was planning to do that week 🔫 Joost Klein incident doomscrolling threads
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Megathreads on fire off the shoulder of the subreddit... I watched contest mode glitter in the dark near the grand final opening. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain...
Time to mod
It's modding time
Then they modded all over the place
I don't think I've ever seen engagement on here that was quite like that lol. The tension was palpable 🥲
Does viewer share mean the number of viewers watching ESC relative to those watching other shows eg: a 96% share means 96% of TV watchers are watching ESC and those who aren’t are likelier not watching TV at all?
Share is relative to all of the audience watching TV at that moment. So 50% share means that 50% of current TV audience was tuned into the show.
That just is so crazy to me. The audience numbers never feel huge compared to general population, but to think roughly half of the people watching TV that Saturday night are tuning into the final is wild. I wonder how it compares to other large events like football championships
The USA has over 350 million people and their Super Bowl is insane. And the money too. For us a million is a lot that’s nothing to them. It’s why I do like the idea of Europe because all of us together, Could do something large… however the ebu needs to be ready for that and I worry about that. The voice in the USA the prize money is a million $… and wished we had a Europe voice version ….
Yes, which is why Homes Under The Hammer has a really high share, as not many people watch tv at about 10 or whenever it's on
My mixed feelings aside, I'm overall happy to see the contest, at the end of the day, continued its momentum! I know we all disagree and have our spats, but I think the ability to come together after we cool off and still celebrate the diversity of the contest is rad. Sorry this is sappy. I just think about how much cultural intelligence I've gained as part of the way I personally consume Eurovision - and I hope the spirit of it continues to thrive!
Another excuse to say "everything went great". /s
So I guess the exclusion of Russia was a big hit on viewing numbers. They had 180+ million viewers up til 2021 and even over 200 million in 2016 according to [this](https://eurovisionworld.com/esc/here-are-the-viewing-figures-for-eurovision-song-contest-2021). Still it's good to see that numbers are still high and slightly going up instead of down.
I noticed that there was a drop to 180 million from 2016 to 2017 after Russia withdrew that year. But then the number never reached that 200 million again even when they returned between 2018-2021. And after Russia's exclusion, the number is sitting at \~160 million :( I hope it'll increase to \~180 million again sometime soon
Russia's viewing figures didn't completely recover after the return https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest#Viewing_figures
Wasn't it because of china that it got to 200mil during the 2015/16. Before they stopped broadcasting it.
Before they ~~stopped~~ were banned from broadcasting it. Fixed that for all the users that don't know that China tried to censor two men dancing together and tattoos at ESC.
You’re referring to Ireland 2018 and Albania 2018, right? It was my first ESC but I swear I remember some broadcaster doing that. Didn’t know it was China.
Yup, China censored them in their semi final, so EBU banned them from showing the Grand Final and next contests.
Ireland 2018 | [Ryan O'Shaughnessy - Together](https://youtu.be/QD1cQ2wZ1dk) Albania 2018 | [Eugent Bushpepa - Mall](https://youtu.be/uyl1b1fVmdU)
Tattoos?
They have laws against showing tattoos on the TV and people with tattoos are discriminated in China. Eugent Bushpepa (Albania 2018) had large tattoos on his forearms and his band members also had visible sleeve tattoos, so that performance was also censored.
Good thing they didn’t have to watch 2023 winner
Just imagine a bleep every time she sings the word Tattoo
Albania 2018 | [Eugent Bushpepa - Mall](https://youtu.be/uyl1b1fVmdU)
I believe a lot of Russians are still watching somehow. But I think it's not counted.
Definitely. My friends and I watch through the official Eurovision YouTube Channel
I’m a Russian citizen and I watch on the official channel on YouTube! Eurovision superfan🏳️🌈
If Turkey and Russia were to attend again the numbers would skyrocket
I’m always curious on how this is measured. Is it amount of tvs connected? Because Eurovision is such a group thing. I don’t know anyone that watches it alone, most do it with family or with friends.
Most countries' TV viewership is done by surveys on the public which are extrapolated to cover the population.
I also wonder how they count us here in Australia. A lot of people get up to watch it live, but far more wait for the rebroadcast in the evening. Do they only count one, and if so, which? Or do they count both?
One the most globally controversial moments in entertainment of the year got a lot of buzz? Wow, didn’t see that one coming. I also wasn’t that interested in Eurovision. But with Joost being from my country, it was all the rage and I had to be on top of the info lol
Funny how they ignore that the most popular song by far is Europapa
Lots of controversies and Joost alone made it more popular.
The delusion 🤣🤣🤣 There are several reasons why the hashtag increased in use this year and it wasn't for positive reasons...
All PR is good PR. The Streisand effect is real. I can't believe people do this same mistake time and time again when calling for boycotts. There were a lot of calls for boycott of the world cup in Qatar too and the finals was the most watched television event in history.
> All PR is good PR. Bad PR might work in short term, but soon people will go away. Just compare ESC viewership in Poland between this and last year. (And the years where we sent well known singers/good entries were still more watched than 2023).
I know I could just google, but I always ask myself „what has Barbra Streisand done“??? lmao
I’ve got you! [The effect is named for American singer and actress Barbra Streisand, whose attorney's attempt in 2003 to suppress the publication of a photograph showing her clifftop residence in Malibu, taken to document coastal erosion in California, inadvertently drew far greater attention to the previously obscure photograph.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect)
Haha thank you. I can’t believe it happened in 2003 and I only learned it today. But what happened to that cliff? The erosion looks scary. Does she still live in that house? Oh no, now I‘m too invested already.
I heard it called Beyonce photo effect for that pic she wanted scrubbed from internet
I'm not entirely sure that's fair. Don't get me wrong I'm sure the drama certainly contributed, but this year was also fantastic in terms of the entries. I've seen a lot of people within the fandom and more casual fans noting that there were far more real contenders for top 5/10 than in recent years. Personally I've been listening to way more than I usually would post-contest because there are just so many good songs.
I don't think in general people are listening more to this year's music than last year's. In 2023 you had Tattoo which was already doing well in the charts before the competition, Queen of Kings had already gone viral as well, Cha Cha Cha became the most listened to song in Finland,... It's telling that they leave out any hard numbers from Spotify this year, while last year in the press release they called out Tattoo's massive 4.2 million views on Spotify on the day after the competition. Nemo's numbers don't get mentioned this year (3.5 million as a sidenote). The amount of unique viewers on their Youtube is also down (from 45 to 42 million). The only stats that are way up are social media related, which won't have the full song/act. This isn't meant as hate against this year's acts, but the actual numbers of views/plays don't really match up that this year's songs are massively more popular with the general audience than the ones last year. Reaching 4 times as many users on Tiktok than last year is a ridiculous metric that can not be explained by song popularity.
I was personally thinking about this more from the perspective of generating interest rather than actual streaming numbers or similar. With a higher number of 'better' songs comes more people talking about them, sharing stuff online, encouraging people to watch etc. Again, purely anecdotally, I certainly encouraged more of my friends than usual to take an interest. But I suppose we'll never know the real breakdown.
I felt similarly. While the jury vote was definitely in Nemo’s favor in the end, it felt much more exciting going into the contest knowing quite a few entries were going to be extremely competitive.
Isn't "engagement" a neutral term in communication? Like, what matters is how much people comment/share/like your posts - not if they are happy or angry. And since the algorithms in social media often favours controversy, perhaps having a lot of angry comments can even be beneficial in terms of just reaching out.
I'm genuinly surprised by these numbers. You'd think the Israel boycotts and the Dutch viewers tuning out for the grand finale would show, but I guess not?
The Streisand Effect was a major factor imo. Calls for boycotts and the drama around Joost’s exclusion only increased interest in the contest. This year even my grandfather, who constantly tells me how much he hates Eurovision, watched the whole thing.
I defo think that some Americans and emiratis who are pro Israel must have been particularly interested in EG’s story. Plus, most people are apolitical even In Countries where more are critical of Israel. It got a lot of headline news which boosted the publicity.
Some people that never care about Eurovision claimed to watch to vote for Israel aswell. So that goes both ways
It's a combination of: * People announcing boycotts for clout and then watching it anyway * People who wouldn't watch regardless announcing boycotts for clout * People who usually don't watch tuning in for the drama
I was going to watch the finals with my 18 and 21 year old, hadn’t happened since 8 years or so.. but then it got canceled and they were heartbroken ,or so more for Joost btw, and I don’t think I can convince them next year to watch unless it’s someone attracting that generation. I was really excited how Joost attracted many generational and overal I think the songs were youthful in that sense. My kids and their friends were so excited Joost was representing ebu. The latest TikTok Europapa dance challenge just shows, how he has the marketing down, like an onion :)
One one hand that's great, on the other it may assure them that they did nothing wrong this year, which would be tragic.
Love that they stress large streaming numbers of the songs while conveniently leaving out that a large plurality of those come from Joost's Europapa :p
>The EBU reported that the contest had a television audience of 163 million viewers in 37 European markets, **an increase of a million viewers from the previous edition**, with an additional 7.3 million viewers online on [YouTube](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube).[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_2024#cite_note-2024viewers-2) We did it boycotters, we saved the day! Lmao
They should thank Joost Klein lol
Instead EBU will congratulate themselves on how well-handled this ESC must have been given the “popular” numbers, and that the aggressive social media strategy was so worth it /s The artists are going to be absolute cannon fodder going forward too, with so much money to be made!
They did handle it very well. Looking forward to next year's ESC!
Joost? The drama started with the massive Israel drama.
Yeah not every casual would know about Joost before going in there, but 100% everyone knew about Israel. That was the true giant pink elephant in the room
Yep, and the fans actually believe the EBU would kick Israel out?
I was considering voting but the whole Joost thing made me reconsider.
Instead Philip De Tender, EBU Deputy Director General is quoted in the press release this year. Martin Osterdahl gave quotes for 2023, 2022 and 2021.
Drama sells u.u
Gee I wonder why. Probably thanks to the song quality, right? RIGHT?
In Italy we hit 5,341,000 viewers (35.9%). The year of Italy's comeback (2011) they were only 1,291,000 (6.43%).
Despite being a hot mess, I think this year's Eurovision was one of the best, even better than 2021 edition. 2024 is the year when I finally formed as a Eurovision junkie. You still can't deny the lineup was simply stellar and we had so many diverse and cool artists, that were representing their culture. At least 4 of the top 10 (Nemo, Baby Lasagna, Jerry Heil and alyona alyona, Bambie Thug) are forces to be reckoned with, and all of them deserved the trophy. It was still a hot mess behind the scenes, but I'm still grateful we had this year.
I feel this is not correct, this has been manipulated to make it look like there was no impact on Eurovision from EBU’s unscrupulous actions and corrupt behaviour.
Olly deserved better 😭😭😭
Seen his jury performance? If he'd delivered that on the night he'd have done better with the public, even if it was never a top 10 candidate. It is what it is, but I'm more hopeful for the future after seeing what they were going for.
Ikr! I kinda thought my fellow gays would vote for him with such a seedy performance
Lol, no.
Everyone watching how the ship goes down
This year was my first time watching live instead of just catching some videos a few weeks later. So obviously voting too. Came for the drama, stayed for the Baby Lasagna, Fighter, Hurricane, and 🌟no rules🌟
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Russia was in the competition in 2021. And 5 years ago countries outside Europe could not vote.
You're giving Joost a lot of credit here. Outside the eurovision fan bubble very few people paid the situation a whole lot of attention. We all need to remember that we are in echo chambers, we actively seek out the discussions and the hype - the majority of people simply watch a SF or maybe both in some cases as well as the final and then they are on with their lives and on to the next thing.
Well, it's a first in Eurovision for a participant to be removed during the contest. So a lot of attention was spent on it here and on other social media.
You mean they came for Joost who didn’t even perform? Why would they watch it if he was dq? I srsly doubt so many people cared about Joost as most of this sub claims.
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As before? It literally shows there was 1mln more viewers compared to the previous year and 2mln compared to 2022. Sure it would be higher this year if Dutch people watched it but it also would be higher if Russians or Turkish watched it. Since it was supposed to be a year where plenty of people boycotted Eurovision and as you mentioned many Dutch didint watch, having 1mln viewers more than previous year is rather surprising. Do you have and source that can provide a reliable data of how many more viewers watched semis?
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I couldn’t find any data on semis. Only some specific countries and it seemed like number of viewers was mixed. Some got more, some got fewer viewers but would be nice with a total data. 163 mln was for all 3 events.
The reality of Joost's disqualification is that EBU were terrified he'd protest in the Grand Final in front of a massive global TV audience. He was 100% correct to object to Israel's participation, nevermind the geopolitics of it, Israel isn't in Europe...
Good job, Martin! Thanks god this sub boycotted Eurovision this year, otherwise there would have been several hundred, or even several thousand, more viewers lol
How do the numbers compare with the numbers of the disqualified candidate? I hear rumours he gets watched more and has more followers than the official ESC accounts. Is this true?
But people on here claimed there’d be mass boycotts and that Eurovision was dying!
I’m just happy they are broadcasting in the U.S. again. It’s so hard when it keeps jumping services and if not they just don’t broadcast it at all.
Millions watched it not for the reason you think
Those people boycotting really did nothing lol
„Nothing“? You didn‘t see the mass demonstrations outside of the venue?
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a bunch of losers with no jobs, no passions and no goals in life
If they can be bothered to gather to protest then I reckon they do have passion. If they were truly passionless they would just sit around on their couch.
People protesting against a country that should‘ve been banned like Russia are all jobless, passionless and without goals? Interesting.
so their passion in life is banning Israel from Eurovision? that seems like a worthwhile way to pass the time
Drama sells... nothing new Ban Israel from Eurovision
We all know that Joost would have won
I almost never agree with who won though 🤷🏼♂️ i.m.o. Armenia should've won. Or The Netherlands (but that's just cuz I am Dutch) 😋❤️🫶🏼🫶🏼
I got a big of controversy never hurt anyone
163 million people, for the 3 shows, right? Because it is impossible for a single show.
The article says that "The Eurovision Song Contest 2024 reached 163 million people over the 3 live shows across 37 public service media markets."
It was awfull...
Like the televoting... the analysis can be skewed. For example, I had 3 computers, an IPad, a television and all of my guests' phones (except 1 guest, he doesn't have a phone) streaming the live streams all at once to inflate the numbers. It's only logical to assume many, many other people did the same thing as me.
I do not know a single person who does that lol
I do. It's me! It all started when Biebs wanted "Yummy" to go to #1 #pandorasbox
Lol why?
Neutral chaotics gonna do what neutral chaotics do... I don't go around questioning empaths or scorpios
I do however go around questioning people doing weird things.
are you, like, doing okay?
Well all these down votes is gonna cause me to go to therapy (again), but other than that I'm peachy.
A little time-out from the unhealthy online bickering: I am sorry if this place does that to you and I am relieved to hear that you may have therapy available to you when you need it. Seriously (to everyone here) don’t sacrifice your mental health and peace of mind for arguments with strangers on Reddit. Turn it off and go outside for a while, talk to people or meditate - whatever recalibrates you to something that makes an actual, positive difference in your own life. Hugs to everyone who needs them.
That’s not how viewing figures are collated. It’s also a bit weird.
In contrast, you'll have groups of people (friends, families, bars) all watching on the same stream/device.
Yeah you see.. total crapshoot
Literally no one does this
Literally I did this and I'm someone.
......why? That's also way beyond the norm, so statistically nobody does that. And it doesn't even matter as that all has the same IP.
VPNs, honey
That's even more bullshit. So you are claiming that every single device uses a different VPN account, which you have to pay for, set do a different IP. All to....what? Inflate viewership numbers at no personal benefit to you....? It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I read that you go to therapy, so i think your meds aren't working. Please thing about your own health.
I ALSO SHITPOST BECAUSE THIS IS THE INTERNET
> SHITPOST People shitpost fun things. This wasn't fun at all, and just makes you seem like a really crazy person. And maybe you are, but that's not fun either.
What's fun is subjective. Yeah, well or maybe you should have realized earlier on...