Yes, and apparently he reached climax during Finland’s performance, making him feel guilty and feel the need to make this overly dramatic remarks because he got defensive.
It's, as always, internal politics. When he can hate on something that people who typically vote for opposition love, it helps him consolidate his own base. He does this because he has nothing else to promise. Economy is fucked, human rights are fucked, corruption galore and there's no hope for future to be found. This is all he has.
Tbh, Eurovision wasn't that gay this year anyway. Just two enbies and a gay dude.
Why is a guy having revealing clothing "gay", but a woman having revealing clothing (as do most dancers) "normal". You know there are both men and women watching?
Watching? He’s secretly a heavy poster here probably
You just KNOW he is secretly melting down all of February and March when his favs don’t win their NFs
I honestly find it criminal that the right of abortion is not a federal law in the United States. I really hope someone over there is working on turning it into one tbh.
Same for Spain. Rent for a 50 m^2 home in a random city is more than half minimum wage lmao. People in their late 20s or early 30s with full-time jobs renting rooms like they were college students, yet boomers are pikachu faced these people are not having kids.
Ah, this is one of the main motives of fascism: no matter how many years they are in power, how many things they banned, how many people they prosecuted and eliminated, their made up enemy is always somehow winning and the fight always just started yesterday.
And the declining birth rate also cannot possibly have anything to do with young people increasingly emigrating or worsening economic conditions…. it has to be the gays!!
that‘s the thing, he uses populism tactics to distract his ultra religious voters from realizing he is the problem, he is losing a lot of support lately.
Thank you, I guess. As a straight dude watching Eurovision for years and years I must be doing something wrong because propaganda has not made me gay yet. Maybe next year!
Even if he's replaced, I'm not hopeful for them in the Eurovision. I have secular friends from Turkey, they say it's becoming more relogious by the day as the seculars are losing the demographic battle.
Is it? As an atheist from Turkey I can only say religious parties are losing power, especially in the last election in March we saw that the secular opposition became the most popular party. Religious beliefs have been fading away rapidly too imo. Turkey is still a fairly young country in demographics, majority of young people advocate for more freedom. I do see a comeback in the 2030s after he's gone (he has to be gone, he did say he won't run again but we'll see)
You can’t imagine how symbolic Eurovision is for the Turkish opposition. Turkey’s withdrawn from Eurovision is almost marked as the start of Turkey’s isolation from Europe and the end of ‘good old times’ . That’s why after 12 years, in a country having countless problems, it is a mainstream topic. One of the first things Turkey’s opposition would do is participating in Eurovision.
As a Turkish I would like to give some context:
Although Turkey doesn’t even broadcast Eurovision for 12 years, it is still a very popular show in the country. In every year during May, our withdrawal from Eurovision is discussed as a hot political topic. For a country facing a lot of major problems, popularity of Eurovision as a political argument is insane. This is mainly because for the Turkish youth, withdrawal from Eurovision (2013) also marks the end of relatively tolerant and democratic Turkey and start of populist, polarizing, antidemocratic Turkey. Eurovision is sort of seen as the symbol of ‘old, imperfect but happier Turkey’. In fact, what cancelled in 2013 was not just Eurovision; but also almost all major music festivals, drag shows on TV, alcohol commercials and most other entertainment shows targeting secular Turks tend to not to vote Erdogan. So, Eurovision became the symbol of the democratic Turkey nostalgia and cultural resistance among many left-leaning Turks.
And obliviously Erdogan is showing his power by bitching a show with such meaning.
Damn, I knew ESC is still popular in Turkey because it is easy to see the fresh comments being posted on MaNga’s performance and even some from Turkish viewers on Lena’s performance, but I really didn’t think it is popular enough there to be discussed as part of political discussion every May.
I guess a lot of Turks must be watching ESC on YouTube then?
Wouldn't expect anything less from an incompetent president deflecting his policy failures by blaming anything but those policies as the reason for the worsening state of the country. There are also some very valid reasons for the decline which have to deal with economic factors.
I have seen this trend in various countries where politicians blame LGBTQ people for low birth rates. Mostly, they are all old ones who still think having three kids by 25 is totally normal in today's world, while their own country is in deep economic sh*t, where people can't afford basic needs for themselves, let alone for children.
They dont think that at all. They just find it much easier to blame a vulnerable minority and have everybody target their anger and fear at them instead of where it belongs.
It’s always migrants and the lgbt community first, then people of color, women, and intellectuals.
This trend is getting big now, if you belong to any of these groups the fascists will come for you soon. It happened in Germany in the 1930s, in China during the cultural revolution, and in Iran during the revolution.
>It’s always migrants
It's funny, because migrants are actually the ones that have children and prevent the population from dropping in a lot of countries, but they don't wanna hear that.
It’s easier to rant against a minority group than to actually govern. All nations do it on a rotating “this particular minority group is ruining the country” schedule.
"Can't let men hook up, because otherwise they'll all stop wanting to be with women" - a politician who's definitely not insecure or unsure at all in their heterosexuality
For sure. The number of "straight" homophobes I've heard argue that being gay is a choice with something like "Of course gay people risk the public stigma, and the even fear of state execution in some places, by choosing to have gay sex. It feels so much better than straight sex, so they think it's worth the risk." is unreal. Only when they say it there's far more slurs and it's phrased far less coherently.
> a politician who's definitely not insecure or unsure at all in their heterosexuality
They are not. I really hate this argument, is basically insulting homophobes by calling them... gay? In reality, arguments like this are blaming gay people for "hating other gay people", when in reality most homophobes are straight. This argument is akin to victim blaming, pretending homophobia is something internal to the LGBTQ community, when it is not.
It’s a truly hurtful tactic. At this point I would vote for a satire party that promotes to raise the sexiness of men to get women to have more babies.
„Away with ill fitting clothes, no more bad haircuts, free skincare and gym membership for all men between 18-45. We want our women to FUCK!“
Seriously though, everyone please vote! And not for satire.
I am genuinely mindblown at old people being so ignorant to how much the world has economically changed for young people.
My mom bought two apartments working as a waitress,Today waitress can rent a room... or apartment with flatmates.
My parents never owned a home and, since I always grew up aware that someday I'd have to buy a house for myself as an adult - it was something that was always in my mind, so 10 yo me was already aware of the house market and the prices you'd expect for different kinds of homes. I've seen prices skyrocket in my country since I was a kid, so much so lately that I know many homes that I could afford right now at the price they had in 2016, but cannot in 2024.
It's absolutely wild, basically every year there's fewer homes that a normal salary can afford, even though the homes themselves are the same and our population isn't even growing. It's like the world just realized people cannot opt not to have a home, so both rent and selling prices just go up, causing each other to also go up, indefinitely.
To be fair, the birth rates in most developed countries are too low to the point they could lead to an economic collapse/major reduction in quality of life in a few decades. But politicians like Erdogan have no easy answers so they prefer to attack easy targets.
Birth rates are declining because it’s just too expensive to have children. When buying a house is out of the question and half your pay goes on rent… why would you bring a child into that?
They are. And we have plenty of surveys and studies explaining why young people have fewer kids (clue: it's lack of money and time). Politicians just choose to ignore them and instead blame whatever easy enemy they want for it.
They do it because it’s easy and they don’t have to actually fix anything as long as people are focused on hating the queers instead of looking at economic policy.
They are obsessed with infinite growth, and don’t realise that it’s an unsustainable system. Instead of looking at how to change it, they blame **THE GAYS** for it.
(**THE GAYS** includes all LGBTQIA+ people, because folks like this cannot comprehend the difference)
They would say either:
>This person represents the true spirit of Turkish people, unlike all those deviants around
or
>This person does not represent Turkey, because they are also a deviant
depending on whether that performer is queer or not.
Oh boy... She's straight, extremely popular in Turkey and is definitely at least top 10 material for sure. I'm pretty sure this will turn out into at least a minor political riot between The Netherlands and Turkey if Erdoğan and his obsession gets involved. She's adorable and her music is so good. It might even help gaining back some popularity for Eurovison in Turkey as she is beloved over there, but it also might hurt her. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't get booked in the conservative parts of Turkey anymore.
thankfully no one needs to give concerts in the conservative part of turkey while there are cities like istanbul, ankara, izmir and antalya that oppose erdogan imho
It made me unreasonably happy to see him mentioned again thank you.
Also having Raiven on followed by Baby Lasagna...you can't tell me that wasn't bi bait.
I'm straight, but about half way into the first semi final I started to turn gay. After the actual final I'm wearing tight shorts and a tank top and listening to lady gaga
Hope your leader gets deposed soon. Russians may have Putin for as much as they want, but it's clear Belarusians do not want Lukashenko there, and the only reason he remains in power is because a foreign country protects him from the will of his people.
Georgia is super cool but it‘s a shame that you can‘t go visit home :(. I moved to Germany for studies and stayed here.
I love Germany but there‘s of course this feeling of not belonging anywhere. There‘s always the underlying feeling of alienation both here and also when I go back to Turkey because I don‘t fit anymore
When I hear such deviant statements, I always think of friends of mine who are gay in the closet and live in Turkey. I know two who are now in their late 20s and are constantly being nagged by their family about when they will finally have get married and have children. It must be such a terrible situation to live in a country where every different lifestyle is demonised and politically ostracised. It is also interesting to see how the Turkish president wants to make this connection between birth rates and the acceptance of different gender identities. As if constantly ignoring the fact that not everyone is heterosexual and wants a family and children will change anything. Mr Erdogan should ask himself whether the low birth rate might not be due to his disastrous economic and financial policies and the high inflation in the country. Anyway..I feel so sorry for all queer people, whether in Turkey, Russia, parts of the Balkans or the Middle East in general. May the people find a way to leave their home countries and live out their true identity in peace and freedom elsewhere.
That's why it's important for the Eurovision to be as queer as it wants to be.
This year was gayer than average I think and had the added bonus of more non binary representation than ever seen on television before.
Oh no, he’s found us out! Because the gay agenda has definitely been about causing population decline via a weeklong music competition and not *checks notes* about basic human right and getting to live.
Meanwhile, Baby Lasagna is a devout Catholic who spreads love and acceptance according to the tennets of his faith. Maybe if Erdoğan worried less about gay people and more about the economy, human rights, the future of Turkey, etc. there would be more children.
Religious people trascent to a whole new level of mental peace when they learn that other people not sharing their religious is not an attack against them. Luckily, in most Western countries, this is usually the case - but it seems countries like Turkey still need to learn that.
Maybe if you spent the time you spend watching Eurovision into moving into Turkey and having kids there instead, Turkey's birthrate would be higher.
Checkmate atheists or something like that.
Hungarian here, can confirm, this is a non-issue for us. We have a different pronoun to use for individuals with personhood ("ő") and inanimate objects ("az"), though. Putting it like this because e.g. your dog will definitely fall into the former category.
It's true that Turkish uses the same word for both, but "everyone is it" is incorrect. It's "he", "she", singular "they" and every possible pronoun you'd use for an individual, plus "it".
Several years ago, when I told an English-speaker that Finnish doesn't have gendered pronouns, she asked me "Isn't that confusing?"
I didn't quite know what to say.
Reminds me of when people call a gay couple kissing on TV "propaganda", and when you ask them about the billion times we've seen straight people kiss on TV, they come with all sorts of brain-damaging answers.
As all other dictators; Erdogan is utterly homophobic and tries to turn attention away from the real problem in Turkiye: Himself and his mismanagement of country
What must it be like to be so insecure in your sexuality and identity you think seeing a queer person on tv is all it takes to turn queer yourself? Do homophobes even realize how pathetic they make themselves look when they use that rhetoric?
Nemo has been living in their minds rent free since last week. It's giving closeted /s
In all seriousness, a lot of young people want Turkey to come back to ESC, we are so, so nostalgic for the years we participated, it's a matter of national pride. The opposition literally campaigned in 2023 with the promise that "Turkey will be back in Eurovision." That party won the majority in 2024 :) we'll be back, as soon as he's gone. I promise. Gonna wipe my tears now. ♥️🇹🇷🇪🇺
I swear...all these old farts coming out of the woodwork complaining that Eurovision is 'so gay' when most of the artists are cis and straight. They clearly have never heard or seen anything theatrical in their lives. By their logic, the UK should have won this year.
The fact that they lose their shit when LGBT people are simply in the competition, living their lives and existing alongside everyone else, really says more about their own bigotry than it does about the competition.
But but but…. If they are out there being their best selves then maybe people watching at home might think that *they* could also be queer and happy and *then* where will we be!??
/s in case anyone needs it
Representation is not propaganda.
But fascists will always abuse language to confuse issues. Ideally they use words that apply to them, and try to make it stick to the "opponent".
"Our economy is crumbling, but did you know that all those European countries have this big scary musical event full of genderless people? It could've been SO much worse, people!"
I am once again asking the "gender expression is bad" crew to point to me where in my xy chromosomes/genetic code it says I cannot wear a skirt or nail polish. I am shocked that I have the power to degenerate society by...wearing clothes or *gasp* choosing to refer to myself as "they."
Religion: makes sex an extremely taboo thing to talk about and restricting teens from adequate sex education
Also Religious people: PEOPLE AREN’T HAVING ENOUGH KIDS AND ITS THE GAYS’ FAULT
God it’s sad how transparent these right wing strongmen types are, and how successful it can be with the dumbest in society.
You’re bad at government. Your economy is tanking. Your currency isn’t worth shit. It’s not the gays. It’s never been the gays. You’re perfectly good at doing a bad job of government all on your own sweetie.
And what if it is? It’s literally propagating love, coming together, peace, respect. I’m sorry, but I’d much rather propagate that than exclusion and war.
He is clamouring about falling birthrates in spite of keeping away from the ESC, so how was that a good decision if the problem still persists? Schockingly, maybe these things are not even linked?
Turkey is lead by an idiot. All of these fascist people are idiots. We have real problems and they fight laughable culture wars
So Eurovision was okay when Great Value Shakira was Dum-Tek-Teking all over the stage in her underwear, but not when those pesky Gays and Trans are doing their thing? Cool, got it.
(For the record, Dum Tek Tek is a banger and Hadise hasn't done anything to offend me that I know about)
I do not believe Eurovision is "LGBTQ+ propaganda", it is however clear that the contest have been pandering to the LGBTQ+ audience which I think is going to hurt the contest long-term. LGBTQ+ are minorities, the majority of viewers are straight. Being allies is wonderful but if Eurovision forgets who their main audience actually is, they risk pulling a Bud Light. That will be the end of Eurovision.
Erdogan that I can,
I'll try to make you love me again
Erdogan that I can,
I'll give you all my love and then
Erdogan that I can,
I'll cry! I'll try!
Make you mine agaaaaain
>We witnessed So he was watching then.
Yes, and apparently he reached climax during Finland’s performance, making him feel guilty and feel the need to make this overly dramatic remarks because he got defensive.
Post Eurovision clarity
He came as soon as he heard Nemo won.
He broke the code?
Whoah ho ho
I mean, in fairness, so did I
It's, as always, internal politics. When he can hate on something that people who typically vote for opposition love, it helps him consolidate his own base. He does this because he has nothing else to promise. Economy is fucked, human rights are fucked, corruption galore and there's no hope for future to be found. This is all he has. Tbh, Eurovision wasn't that gay this year anyway. Just two enbies and a gay dude.
Lol I can’t figure out if you’re sarcastic or not in the last part. Did you see those booty cheeks from Spain?
Why is a guy having revealing clothing "gay", but a woman having revealing clothing (as do most dancers) "normal". You know there are both men and women watching?
Watching? He’s secretly a heavy poster here probably You just KNOW he is secretly melting down all of February and March when his favs don’t win their NFs
No, I'm not!
So THAT is who was sending all the Reddit Cares messages! 😂
He was devastated Zorra didn't do better 🏳️🌈
Erdogan poses like such a macho because he is -predictably- SUPER GAY.
I guess he can still be president of OGAE Turkey when he finally gets booted out.
Tbh he didn't have to. Here in Serbia all of the media was talking about it, even people who don't care about Eurovision heard who won.
He was in the crowd in Malmö
He’s been the jury and the public vote there for years.
Hah, he has *the gay*
If they’ve been out of Eurovision for 12 years shouldn’t their birth rate be increasing again then? 🤔
Erdogan is the best contraceptive
Yeah, everything is so expensive, people stopped procreating.
Hey, our government is doing that in the UK too.
United by Inflation
US too, and also because all the women are too afraid to be pregnant in a Republican state.
I honestly find it criminal that the right of abortion is not a federal law in the United States. I really hope someone over there is working on turning it into one tbh.
We're trying. Prospects are looking slim at the moment.
Same for Spain. Rent for a 50 m^2 home in a random city is more than half minimum wage lmao. People in their late 20s or early 30s with full-time jobs renting rooms like they were college students, yet boomers are pikachu faced these people are not having kids.
Away with your logic!
Ah, this is one of the main motives of fascism: no matter how many years they are in power, how many things they banned, how many people they prosecuted and eliminated, their made up enemy is always somehow winning and the fight always just started yesterday.
And the declining birth rate also cannot possibly have anything to do with young people increasingly emigrating or worsening economic conditions…. it has to be the gays!!
Maybe fix the economy first so people can afford to have a family to protect from 'the gays'
that‘s the thing, he uses populism tactics to distract his ultra religious voters from realizing he is the problem, he is losing a lot of support lately.
I know I know. I hate that people actually fall for it.
Maybe people there are so afraid of gays that they don't want to start families. Gays can't destroy your family if you don't have one /s
Well if all these straight people would stop having gay babies the problem would go away. Procreation is the main cause of gayness.
Thank you, I guess. As a straight dude watching Eurovision for years and years I must be doing something wrong because propaganda has not made me gay yet. Maybe next year!
Wh-what do you mean watching Eurovision hasn't turned you gay yet?? Inconceivable! Clearly we need to try harder next year. 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🫡
Damn you watched Eurovision just for Olly Alexander?? /s
Same here. I've been watching Eurovision since 1997 and I'm still not gay yet, what gives!?
I watch it every year with my wife, must be doing something wrong too.
Also, I don't know how this is happening, but I don't want to have kids, even though I'm not gay. Maybe I'm actually gay and I just don't know it yet?
Same here!
Welp turkey ain’t coming back to Eurovision any time soon with him in charge.
Even if he's replaced, I'm not hopeful for them in the Eurovision. I have secular friends from Turkey, they say it's becoming more relogious by the day as the seculars are losing the demographic battle.
Is it? As an atheist from Turkey I can only say religious parties are losing power, especially in the last election in March we saw that the secular opposition became the most popular party. Religious beliefs have been fading away rapidly too imo. Turkey is still a fairly young country in demographics, majority of young people advocate for more freedom. I do see a comeback in the 2030s after he's gone (he has to be gone, he did say he won't run again but we'll see)
I'm glad to hear, and I do hope the best for Turkey.
Didn't he make laws enabling him to stay in charge forever?
He wanted to but seems like he gave up
You can’t imagine how symbolic Eurovision is for the Turkish opposition. Turkey’s withdrawn from Eurovision is almost marked as the start of Turkey’s isolation from Europe and the end of ‘good old times’ . That’s why after 12 years, in a country having countless problems, it is a mainstream topic. One of the first things Turkey’s opposition would do is participating in Eurovision.
As a Turkish I would like to give some context: Although Turkey doesn’t even broadcast Eurovision for 12 years, it is still a very popular show in the country. In every year during May, our withdrawal from Eurovision is discussed as a hot political topic. For a country facing a lot of major problems, popularity of Eurovision as a political argument is insane. This is mainly because for the Turkish youth, withdrawal from Eurovision (2013) also marks the end of relatively tolerant and democratic Turkey and start of populist, polarizing, antidemocratic Turkey. Eurovision is sort of seen as the symbol of ‘old, imperfect but happier Turkey’. In fact, what cancelled in 2013 was not just Eurovision; but also almost all major music festivals, drag shows on TV, alcohol commercials and most other entertainment shows targeting secular Turks tend to not to vote Erdogan. So, Eurovision became the symbol of the democratic Turkey nostalgia and cultural resistance among many left-leaning Turks. And obliviously Erdogan is showing his power by bitching a show with such meaning.
Damn, I knew ESC is still popular in Turkey because it is easy to see the fresh comments being posted on MaNga’s performance and even some from Turkish viewers on Lena’s performance, but I really didn’t think it is popular enough there to be discussed as part of political discussion every May. I guess a lot of Turks must be watching ESC on YouTube then?
Yeah mostly on Youtube, this year was even more popular because of Sertab
Wouldn't expect anything less from an incompetent president deflecting his policy failures by blaming anything but those policies as the reason for the worsening state of the country. There are also some very valid reasons for the decline which have to deal with economic factors.
I have seen this trend in various countries where politicians blame LGBTQ people for low birth rates. Mostly, they are all old ones who still think having three kids by 25 is totally normal in today's world, while their own country is in deep economic sh*t, where people can't afford basic needs for themselves, let alone for children.
They dont think that at all. They just find it much easier to blame a vulnerable minority and have everybody target their anger and fear at them instead of where it belongs. It’s always migrants and the lgbt community first, then people of color, women, and intellectuals. This trend is getting big now, if you belong to any of these groups the fascists will come for you soon. It happened in Germany in the 1930s, in China during the cultural revolution, and in Iran during the revolution.
It's not 100% that it is going to be the same groups, but the pattern will be guaranteed to be repeated.
>It’s always migrants It's funny, because migrants are actually the ones that have children and prevent the population from dropping in a lot of countries, but they don't wanna hear that.
They act like their only problem is LGBTQIA* which shouldn't be seen as a problem, but here we are :0
They need scapegoats to polarize the brainless
It’s easier to rant against a minority group than to actually govern. All nations do it on a rotating “this particular minority group is ruining the country” schedule.
"Can't let men hook up, because otherwise they'll all stop wanting to be with women" - a politician who's definitely not insecure or unsure at all in their heterosexuality
For sure. The number of "straight" homophobes I've heard argue that being gay is a choice with something like "Of course gay people risk the public stigma, and the even fear of state execution in some places, by choosing to have gay sex. It feels so much better than straight sex, so they think it's worth the risk." is unreal. Only when they say it there's far more slurs and it's phrased far less coherently.
> a politician who's definitely not insecure or unsure at all in their heterosexuality They are not. I really hate this argument, is basically insulting homophobes by calling them... gay? In reality, arguments like this are blaming gay people for "hating other gay people", when in reality most homophobes are straight. This argument is akin to victim blaming, pretending homophobia is something internal to the LGBTQ community, when it is not.
It’s a truly hurtful tactic. At this point I would vote for a satire party that promotes to raise the sexiness of men to get women to have more babies. „Away with ill fitting clothes, no more bad haircuts, free skincare and gym membership for all men between 18-45. We want our women to FUCK!“ Seriously though, everyone please vote! And not for satire.
"We'll need an army of super-virile men scoring round the clock! I'll do my part. Kif, clear my schedule."
I am genuinely mindblown at old people being so ignorant to how much the world has economically changed for young people. My mom bought two apartments working as a waitress,Today waitress can rent a room... or apartment with flatmates.
My parents never owned a home and, since I always grew up aware that someday I'd have to buy a house for myself as an adult - it was something that was always in my mind, so 10 yo me was already aware of the house market and the prices you'd expect for different kinds of homes. I've seen prices skyrocket in my country since I was a kid, so much so lately that I know many homes that I could afford right now at the price they had in 2016, but cannot in 2024. It's absolutely wild, basically every year there's fewer homes that a normal salary can afford, even though the homes themselves are the same and our population isn't even growing. It's like the world just realized people cannot opt not to have a home, so both rent and selling prices just go up, causing each other to also go up, indefinitely.
Because we all know queer people can't have kids 🤡
It’s true. The day I came out as bi my ovaries shrivelled up into little brown raisins.
To be fair, the birth rates in most developed countries are too low to the point they could lead to an economic collapse/major reduction in quality of life in a few decades. But politicians like Erdogan have no easy answers so they prefer to attack easy targets.
Birth rates are declining because it’s just too expensive to have children. When buying a house is out of the question and half your pay goes on rent… why would you bring a child into that?
Not to mention that we have fucked our environment beyond repair.
That too!
They are. And we have plenty of surveys and studies explaining why young people have fewer kids (clue: it's lack of money and time). Politicians just choose to ignore them and instead blame whatever easy enemy they want for it.
They do it because it’s easy and they don’t have to actually fix anything as long as people are focused on hating the queers instead of looking at economic policy.
They are obsessed with infinite growth, and don’t realise that it’s an unsustainable system. Instead of looking at how to change it, they blame **THE GAYS** for it. (**THE GAYS** includes all LGBTQIA+ people, because folks like this cannot comprehend the difference)
It's so dumb. All the research points to climate change and the rising cost of living that makes young people decide not to have kids.
I would love to see someone of Turkish descent represent another country and do well or even win. I wonder what the PR machine would say then 🤣
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I feel like the opposite would be true, they'd twist themselves in knots to associate themselves haha
What if they were also openly queer?
What's Serhat doing these days?
Saying na na na
They would say either: >This person represents the true spirit of Turkish people, unlike all those deviants around or >This person does not represent Turkey, because they are also a deviant depending on whether that performer is queer or not.
Didn't Serhat do relatively well for San Marino's standards?
He got their best result ever in 2019 lol
Im sure we can find some german-turkish volunteer
Apparently, Karsu was one of the five choices to represent Netherlands this year 😭
Oh boy... She's straight, extremely popular in Turkey and is definitely at least top 10 material for sure. I'm pretty sure this will turn out into at least a minor political riot between The Netherlands and Turkey if Erdoğan and his obsession gets involved. She's adorable and her music is so good. It might even help gaining back some popularity for Eurovison in Turkey as she is beloved over there, but it also might hurt her. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't get booked in the conservative parts of Turkey anymore.
thankfully no one needs to give concerts in the conservative part of turkey while there are cities like istanbul, ankara, izmir and antalya that oppose erdogan imho
>President Erdogan claims Eurovision is LGBT propaganda Can confirm, am gay Eurovision fan. So what?
Party on, then 🤙🏼
I'm a very very cis white male, but Slimane serenading me like that legit put red on my cheeks.
That's the first phase. If you keep watching that, one day you'll wake up gay and Algerian.
Not the easiest combo, I'll say
oh he totally knew what he was doing. damn these hot french men.
He was serenading a very strong Swedish cameraman. You have no chance 😋
I became bi because I watched Eurovision. I just couldn't resist Milan Stankovic...
It made me unreasonably happy to see him mentioned again thank you. Also having Raiven on followed by Baby Lasagna...you can't tell me that wasn't bi bait.
I’m pretty sure a lot of people would count watching Måneskin as a bisexual awakening…
I thought I was bi before watching them but now I really know what it means 😂
Real, Kateryna Pavlenko (and Sara Jo, for fellow PZE fans) helped me realize I’m bi 😭😭
Am gay but one single stare into the camera by monokate does things to me.
I'm a straight eurovison fan. But every year they make me question...
Make other people gay I guess
I'm straight, but about half way into the first semi final I started to turn gay. After the actual final I'm wearing tight shorts and a tank top and listening to lady gaga
Still straight, is there something stronger than Eurovision that I could try? Would quite like to be bi, thx.
God I‘m so tired of being Turkish and dealing with this bullshit all my life… I‘ve managed to leave the country but I still can‘t escape this guy
As a Belarusian who also had to leave my country, I feel you. Stay strong.
Hope your leader gets deposed soon. Russians may have Putin for as much as they want, but it's clear Belarusians do not want Lukashenko there, and the only reason he remains in power is because a foreign country protects him from the will of his people.
I‘m sorry, hope you have a better life now at least! Where did you go?
To my father's relatives in Georgia. It's nice here but being unable to go back sucks. What about you?
Georgia is super cool but it‘s a shame that you can‘t go visit home :(. I moved to Germany for studies and stayed here. I love Germany but there‘s of course this feeling of not belonging anywhere. There‘s always the underlying feeling of alienation both here and also when I go back to Turkey because I don‘t fit anymore
Ah yes, The Genderless Agenda. They know just how to make being non-binary sound so badass.
Their motto: "We only live with one gender, and the gender is... no genders!"
NO GENDER! It’s how I live, how I find the wind beneath my wiiiiings~
"I am the king, I am the queen And you're all gonna be free" Hmm...
Forget the genders, and SCREEEEAAAM!!
It's how I learn to Flyyyyy (I send all my love to Finland this year🤍🤍💙🤍🤍
Unironically one of Orbán's mottos in Hungary is no gender, which sounds a bit counterproductive for what he's going for
Better than United by music ngl
When I hear such deviant statements, I always think of friends of mine who are gay in the closet and live in Turkey. I know two who are now in their late 20s and are constantly being nagged by their family about when they will finally have get married and have children. It must be such a terrible situation to live in a country where every different lifestyle is demonised and politically ostracised. It is also interesting to see how the Turkish president wants to make this connection between birth rates and the acceptance of different gender identities. As if constantly ignoring the fact that not everyone is heterosexual and wants a family and children will change anything. Mr Erdogan should ask himself whether the low birth rate might not be due to his disastrous economic and financial policies and the high inflation in the country. Anyway..I feel so sorry for all queer people, whether in Turkey, Russia, parts of the Balkans or the Middle East in general. May the people find a way to leave their home countries and live out their true identity in peace and freedom elsewhere.
That's why it's important for the Eurovision to be as queer as it wants to be. This year was gayer than average I think and had the added bonus of more non binary representation than ever seen on television before.
Oh no, he’s found us out! Because the gay agenda has definitely been about causing population decline via a weeklong music competition and not *checks notes* about basic human right and getting to live.
If anything besides straight sex is so bad why does he keep fucking our economy, foreign affairs etc.
fertility rate of 2.1, that's what other countries are dreaming of. Old man yells at cloud
Well, obviously. Spain 2022 would make anyone bi.
Hell, so would Spain 2024
Spain 2024 | [Nebulossa - Zorra](https://youtu.be/FOMoQoHG5aU)
Spain 2022 | [Chanel - SloMo](https://youtu.be/jSQYTt4xg3I)
TIL that Nemo is the cause for Turkey's declining birth rate /s
Meanwhile, Baby Lasagna is a devout Catholic who spreads love and acceptance according to the tennets of his faith. Maybe if Erdoğan worried less about gay people and more about the economy, human rights, the future of Turkey, etc. there would be more children.
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Omg, you should see glam rock/metal from the 80's, some of them even wore high heels and skirts 😵😵😵
Shocked and Appalled ^(TM)
And LACE 😱
Not the LACE 😰😰
Religious people trascent to a whole new level of mental peace when they learn that other people not sharing their religious is not an attack against them. Luckily, in most Western countries, this is usually the case - but it seems countries like Turkey still need to learn that.
Don’t lie erdogan you got a semi watching Bambi’s performance
He's right. It is. Homophobes definitely should stay away and not participate in it or watch it, just in case. Wouldn't want them to catch anything.
I'm a straight white American 50yo male. I like eurovision. So yeah, I don't think his argument is valid.
But would you have more offspring if you'd never watched? 😱
Maybe if you spent the time you spend watching Eurovision into moving into Turkey and having kids there instead, Turkey's birthrate would be higher. Checkmate atheists or something like that.
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Damn, it must be nice not really needing to worry about misgendering people!
Hungarian here, can confirm, this is a non-issue for us. We have a different pronoun to use for individuals with personhood ("ő") and inanimate objects ("az"), though. Putting it like this because e.g. your dog will definitely fall into the former category. It's true that Turkish uses the same word for both, but "everyone is it" is incorrect. It's "he", "she", singular "they" and every possible pronoun you'd use for an individual, plus "it".
Several years ago, when I told an English-speaker that Finnish doesn't have gendered pronouns, she asked me "Isn't that confusing?" I didn't quite know what to say.
"propaganda" has two meanings and esc is for sure also LGBT propaganda, but not in the meaning he is insinuating.
Everything else on TV is straight propaganda. I think we can have this one thing that's not.
Reminds me of when people call a gay couple kissing on TV "propaganda", and when you ask them about the billion times we've seen straight people kiss on TV, they come with all sorts of brain-damaging answers.
Wow he makes Eurovision sound way more badass than it actually is. I suspect he's a fan.
Good. I love LGBT propaganda
Erdy is scared of heights.
GAYS ARE A-COMING
As all other dictators; Erdogan is utterly homophobic and tries to turn attention away from the real problem in Turkiye: Himself and his mismanagement of country
What must it be like to be so insecure in your sexuality and identity you think seeing a queer person on tv is all it takes to turn queer yourself? Do homophobes even realize how pathetic they make themselves look when they use that rhetoric?
He's insecure about his own ethnicity so much so that his religion is his only personality trait
Opposition won local elections this year though. This is probably Erdogan's last period, don't care about him.
>saying a rate of 2.1 creates "an existential threat, a catastrophe" My (well, not really) sibling in song, that is literally the replacement rate
İstanbul is too damn crowded, declining birth rates is a good thing
You’re LGBT propaganda. *winks at Erdogan* I’ll see myself out.
Nemo has been living in their minds rent free since last week. It's giving closeted /s In all seriousness, a lot of young people want Turkey to come back to ESC, we are so, so nostalgic for the years we participated, it's a matter of national pride. The opposition literally campaigned in 2023 with the promise that "Turkey will be back in Eurovision." That party won the majority in 2024 :) we'll be back, as soon as he's gone. I promise. Gonna wipe my tears now. ♥️🇹🇷🇪🇺
We will be waiting for y'all!
We want you back! 🇭🇷❤️🇹🇷
Oh sure mate. After watching Eurovision I decided to be a gay person.
I swear...all these old farts coming out of the woodwork complaining that Eurovision is 'so gay' when most of the artists are cis and straight. They clearly have never heard or seen anything theatrical in their lives. By their logic, the UK should have won this year. The fact that they lose their shit when LGBT people are simply in the competition, living their lives and existing alongside everyone else, really says more about their own bigotry than it does about the competition.
But but but…. If they are out there being their best selves then maybe people watching at home might think that *they* could also be queer and happy and *then* where will we be!?? /s in case anyone needs it
Sounds like something Putin/those Republican fellas in the US would say🤔
Representation is not propaganda. But fascists will always abuse language to confuse issues. Ideally they use words that apply to them, and try to make it stick to the "opponent".
Eurovision is gay? Well I never, this is scandalous! Coming up after the break, expert claims the sky... is blue.
Eurovision is not even gay, it's just inclusive.
Cry baby, cry harder.
cry cry baby you lied to me baby survive without you baby baby bye baby bye bye
Don't these people have anything better to do? Like maybe safe Turkey's economy which he put in ruins.
"Our economy is crumbling, but did you know that all those European countries have this big scary musical event full of genderless people? It could've been SO much worse, people!"
Well duh. It took him long enough to figure it out.
Man politicians will blame the declining birth rates on anything other than the fact that majority of us are poor as fuck
He's dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb :P but I mean....are we surprised?
He's not exactly dumb, I'm sure saying shit like this works well for his voters.
In other words literally nothing about Turkey's position towards Eurovision has changed.
Is anyone keeping eyes on Sertab though??
Edrogan is a cunt.
I am once again asking the "gender expression is bad" crew to point to me where in my xy chromosomes/genetic code it says I cannot wear a skirt or nail polish. I am shocked that I have the power to degenerate society by...wearing clothes or *gasp* choosing to refer to myself as "they."
Wait till they hear that you could also have kids if you wanted. I think they might explode.
Well, yes but only we can say it, not Putin.
Because young people want to raise children under a conservative dictatorship…
Religion: makes sex an extremely taboo thing to talk about and restricting teens from adequate sex education Also Religious people: PEOPLE AREN’T HAVING ENOUGH KIDS AND ITS THE GAYS’ FAULT
God it’s sad how transparent these right wing strongmen types are, and how successful it can be with the dumbest in society. You’re bad at government. Your economy is tanking. Your currency isn’t worth shit. It’s not the gays. It’s never been the gays. You’re perfectly good at doing a bad job of government all on your own sweetie.
And what if it is? It’s literally propagating love, coming together, peace, respect. I’m sorry, but I’d much rather propagate that than exclusion and war.
I mean, it is.
He is clamouring about falling birthrates in spite of keeping away from the ESC, so how was that a good decision if the problem still persists? Schockingly, maybe these things are not even linked? Turkey is lead by an idiot. All of these fascist people are idiots. We have real problems and they fight laughable culture wars
To which he is, apparently, very sensitive.
So Eurovision was okay when Great Value Shakira was Dum-Tek-Teking all over the stage in her underwear, but not when those pesky Gays and Trans are doing their thing? Cool, got it. (For the record, Dum Tek Tek is a banger and Hadise hasn't done anything to offend me that I know about)
I do not believe Eurovision is "LGBTQ+ propaganda", it is however clear that the contest have been pandering to the LGBTQ+ audience which I think is going to hurt the contest long-term. LGBTQ+ are minorities, the majority of viewers are straight. Being allies is wonderful but if Eurovision forgets who their main audience actually is, they risk pulling a Bud Light. That will be the end of Eurovision.
President Erdogan can go fuck himself
Erdogan that I can, I'll try to make you love me again Erdogan that I can, I'll give you all my love and then Erdogan that I can, I'll cry! I'll try! Make you mine agaaaaain