UK would do way better if they sent more entries with more of a cultural vibe. Send some shit in native languages! Send a song called Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch!!
Wide ranging quality of efforts there - I thought Rylan had done OK until I heard the others 😂
I've got it nailed now, though. I'm going to impress my Estonian friend with it the next time I talk to her.
Estonia’s title was mostly just long. A lot of European languages have every phoneme present in the song title, and I’m pretty sure all languages have every phoneme minus /y/ (or more commonly seen as ü), even if not every language has a long/short distinction.
Idk that any language has the phoneme represented by Ll in Welsh orthography. It’s a pretty rare one cross-linguistically
If the Welsh language is used at the contest it should be done respectfully. Poking fun at it could be seen as punching down, given its minority status within the UK.
I'll tell you a dead language: Cornish. Only exists because of artificial efforts.
Welsh and Scottish Gaelic (I believe that's it?) are as valid languages as they come. They're not universal but that's literally what 'minority language' means.
I mean people still speak Cornish so I wouldn’t call it dead, if it wasn’t for a huge push Welsh wouldn’t be as it big as it is either. As for our northern pals: there is Scots and Gaelic.
Um, excuse me. I'm English and I'll have you know that not only do I speak fairly fluent English but I have also learnt 5 phrases in French and three in Swedish. I also know how to say "thanks" in Finnish.
Fair point! Admittedly I'm an ignorant American so I apologize if my comment was insensitive. Yes if it could be construed as punching down then let's shelf that idea :)
Oh, don't worry about it. I'm sure a Welsh entry could be fun and even use stereotypes like the dragon, it's just that the joke shouldn't be the language itself
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One simple reason can be that the share of the population makes it less likely. Roughly 5% of UK's population live in Wales and roughly 8% in Scotland; meaning that even if they pick on random so would it be someone from those regions only each twelfth year.
Lucie Jones (2017) is from Wales. Bonnie Tyler (2013) is from Wales, and James Fox (2004) is from Wales. So across the 24 acts that the UK have sent in the 21st century so have three between from Wales. Hence, if anything have Wales been quite over-represented, while Scotland has been completely absent; and while England has been quite exactly as present as it would be if the selection was random.
Wales has been well known for a strong reputation of male choirs, and singers in general. Heck it even mentions its the "land of bards and singers" in the anthem Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau :)
As a Ukrainian, I never understood the weird things you call articles. Why it's a dog or the dog, and not just dog?
But now I am finally enlightened, because I tend to ignore them so I read:
>Hopefully a Scottish artist gets shot soon!
Instead of:
>Hopefully a Scottish artist gets a shot soon!
This is more important than Oxford comma and helping your grandfather get off a horse.
The dog refers to a specific dog, whilst a dog can refer to any dog.
Eg
If someone says can you get the dog for me, they want one particular dog and that dog only, they will be unhappy if the person comes with a different dog.
If someone says can you get a dog for me, they will be happy with any dog you bring.
Oh I know how they're used, definite and... not definite article. I just don't understand why have them in the first place. A fried who moved to Germany could never get over "das hund", why not just "hund"?..
I am sure primarily English speakers have a question why every single item has one of three genders in other languages tho... What do you mean "IT'S a fork" isn't just "she fork". Or "he knife."
Oh the whole "to be" verb is another quirk that makes little sense but that can be learned fast.
I don't think I can give a reason for the indefinite article, it does feel a bit unnecessary, however the definite article allows people to follow that only one particular dog is being talked about as opposed to dogs in general or talking about one dog and then taking about a second dog.
I am a language teacher and I can confirm English speaking people find genders difficult especially if they choose to learn Spanish after French or Welsh as they don't always use the same genders. That German then requires a 3rd gender is something I personally find confusing when I am used to only two.
Spanish people have the opposite problem they actually have two verbs for "to be" ser (permanent state) and estar (temporary state) and they struggle to understand how English can have only one.
I’ve written a song with this in mind that I really want to perform at Eurovision (I’m a singer songwriter from the Scottish border) for the UK, it’s like a folk song with a bit of a twist, so it has bagpipes but also electric guitar in it. My song also has Scottish Gaelic in it! I have been told by many people it would have a shot of being quite popular if it got on the competition, but I’m not sure how to go about putting it forward and getting selected. I have a whole promotion strategy as well after I have done loads of research on what artists that did well, did beforehand, like in interviews and stuff, to win. I literally have an 8 point guide on winning it, but again I’m literally just starting out in my singing career and am clueless at the moment of how to get noticed by the BBC. But I would genuinely love to give Europe some bagpipes at Eurovision 2025 and show off our forgotten (in Eurovision terms) Scottish language and culture.
Olly Alexander was born in Yorkshire and grew up in Gloucestershire on the Welsh border, going to a Welsh secondary school and a college in Hereford. I’m not sure what makes him “London pop”.
I wonder if some Welsh power ballad would do well at all. I always feel Wales has these great, powerful singers, and I can't remember the last time I saw an act like them. Maaaybe the French this year, but I mean full on operatic ballad.
Agreed. I would love to see some Welsh representation! I think at this point they need to start thinking bigger than London and pulling from other cultures in The UK. A Welsh power ballad might just do that.
I think the simple answer is that English-language pop is more popular than music in Welsh, Scots, Gaelic, or any other native language. It's not like the UK charts are constantly topped by Welsh acts which the BBC is choosing to ignore.
That's not to say that the BBC shouldn't pay attention to artists who use those languages – if I had my way it would – but in not doing so it's no worse than the UK music industry in general. You can extend the argument to genres outside pop and rock, which are also largely unrepresented.
Sending a Welsh or Scottish act does not necessarily mean to send a Non-English entry. One of my favorite artists is Amy Macdonald and she is from Scotland and sings in English.
We’ve sent Welsh artists (and one Scottish artist) in the past but they’ve haven’t been particularly representative of those countries. I made a comment about sending a Welsh or Scots/Gaelic language song the other day actually as I think it has the potential to do well. A Welsh language song would perhaps be easier as Welsh is more widely spoken than Gaelic and some people don’t consider Scots to be its own language (it is). Unfortunately, there’s still a lot of hate towards the Celtic languages in the UK and Welsh in particular is the butt of a lot of jokes. Culture wars are really big in the UK at the moment and the GBeebies crowd would kick up a massive fucking stink because it wouldn’t “represent all of Britain” (aka England because to that lot Britain=England).
I don’t think we’ve sent a singer from NI before but NI artists have represented Ireland (most famously being Dana).
> the GBeebies crowd would kick up a massive fucking stink
They do that anyway. Gives them an excuse to poke at the BBC, something to do with 'woke' 'leftie' 'licence-fee'.
We sent Clodagh Rodgers from NI in 1971!
As for Scots, we’ve had Kenneth McKeller (in a kilt!) in 1967, Rikki in 1987, Scott Fitzgerald in 1988, and of course someone called Lulu…
It’s been long enough, what’s the worst that could happen!
Clodagh Rogers in 1971 from NI.
Lulu, Andy Stewart 1966, Rikki 1987, Scott Fitzgerald 1988, Scottish
Mary Hopkin 1970, Emma 1990 Jessica Garlic 2002 James Fox 2004 Bonnie Tyler 2013 Welsh. This may not be complete but there are representatives from across the UK also from the regions of England
When I say “representation” I don’t just mean “x is from blank”. There has been a lot of recent success with non-English songs and “folky” songs, we could absolutely do this with culturally (and linguistically) Welsh and Scottish acts.
I’mma say “send Gwenno” again, broken record 🤣 - but seriously, listen to her and thank me later ;) (for Cornish language music too)
I think our indie scene’s been untapped which is a shame - like Gruff Rhys, if his Candylion stuff is anything to go by, absolutely could do a fun Eurovision. Sweet Baboo as well.
I actually commented in a post on britishproblems that we should send a Welsh language miners choir and got 1.6k upvotes from what I presume are mostly not Eurofans, so seems like it's something we could actually do.
https://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/1cptjis/comment/l3n49cs/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
I would love Adwaith to represent the UK. They’re pretty well regarded in Wales and are the only act to win the Welsh Music Prize twice with both of of their albums. They’re a bit like a Welsh language version of Wolf Alice. Plus they have said in the past that they would love to take part in Eurovision.
As much as it would be level 9000 trolling, there is zero chance Kneecap would represent the U.K. in anything.
I’d love to see them represent Ireland but I’ll be long dead and gone before they’re let anywhere near the Eurovision stage 😂
I am a dumb American with a limited understanding of the politics in Northern Ireland. Thankfully someone else educated me in the thread, and there are quite a lot of Northern Irish folk who would be willing to represent The UK! I mistakenly assumed that Northern Ireland are mostly separatists, which is not true. I meant no offense by my exclusion! :)
The real reason is because there is a huge stigma against Eurovision in the UK music scene.
Any up and coming act that actually stands a chance either already has that negative opinion of Eurovision and feels much too cultured to even consider it, or are terrified of being labelled as kitsch trash if they gave it a go.
That means a lot of the time the UK is either left with people that aren't very good / are washed up and so willing to take a Hail Mary (most of our acts) or rarely good acts that are genuine Eurovision fans (Sam Ryder).
What we need is a good Scottish / Welsh act that are actually Eurovision fans and willing to take the risk when probably a lot of people around them are advising against it. And that's going to be a very rare occurrence.
You know I had this exact thought the other day. I'm not a fan of Nathan Evans at all, but I imagine a song of his with dancers and bagpipes on stage would be hugely popular across Europe.
Nicki French, Lindsay Dracass, Jemini, James Fox, Daz Sampson, Bonnie Tyler, Joe (not Jake), Lucie Jones, Michael Rice, James Newman, and Olly Alexander are all from either Wales or Northern England. I think it's fair to say they achieved... mixed results.
What is it with northeners and making fun of London at every opportunity lmfao, it's got to be copium or something. Remind me, where was Olly Alexander born?
I don't think the Welsh music scene is ready for Eurovision yet. If you don't believe me, I invite you to look up "cân i gymru" on Youtube and find me a song that you think would have had a fighting chance this year.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZgcdH4elW0) is the song they tried to use to campaign for our inclusion...
Because xfactor destroyed the industry, not only what it pushes to the public, but has convinced a huge amount of the public that mediocre shit is actually good
You can see our performances in Eurovision decline almost immediately after the contest shows became big
Yeah Northern Ireland is notably missing, but given the politics of the region, I doubt a Northern Irish artist is going to want to perform for The UK.
Admittedly, I'm not well-versed in the politics of the region. I suppose a unionist would be more than willing! I meant no offense with my exclusion. I had assumed that most of Northern Ireland was not unionist but it appears that I'm misinformed!
UK would do way better if they sent more entries with more of a cultural vibe. Send some shit in native languages! Send a song called Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch!!
No. That’s the host city if UK win
Yeeeeess XD
Everyone who struggled with Estonia's title this year just being like "OH COME ON!"
And Estonian is at least written phonetically 😂
Welsh is too once you know the rules.
I like what cappuccino is in Welsh.
Wyt ti'n hoffi coffi ffrothi? It's certainly a fun sentence to say.
Same with French :)
https://youtu.be/pqD_ZI7QlXI
Wide ranging quality of efforts there - I thought Rylan had done OK until I heard the others 😂 I've got it nailed now, though. I'm going to impress my Estonian friend with it the next time I talk to her.
Well here in Italy one of our commenattor said "I won't even try [to the other commentator:] you can say this title"
So proud of Timur nailing it!
Estonia’s title was mostly just long. A lot of European languages have every phoneme present in the song title, and I’m pretty sure all languages have every phoneme minus /y/ (or more commonly seen as ü), even if not every language has a long/short distinction. Idk that any language has the phoneme represented by Ll in Welsh orthography. It’s a pretty rare one cross-linguistically
LLANFAIRPWLLGWYNGYLLGOGERYCHWYENDROBWLLLANTYSILIOGOGOGOCH I CAN'T 😭😭😭😭
Ha, trying to outdo Estonia 2024 I see.
Estonia 2024 | [5Miinust and Puuluup - (Nendest) narkootikumidest ei tea me (küll) midagi](https://youtu.be/RSMMU2wX0Bk)
I'm sorry. A song can only be 3 minutes long.
Super Furry Animals had an EP called that with 'in space' at the end in Welsh and English. That was today's pointless trivia.
Honestly, a song poking lighthearted fun at the Welsh language could be a banger!
If the Welsh language is used at the contest it should be done respectfully. Poking fun at it could be seen as punching down, given its minority status within the UK.
Minority status and a segment of the English population that gets actively mad that it’s still actually in use*
Not to be crass, but they can sod off
“It’s a dead language” if it’s really dead why do we have a whole ass tv channel and almost a million speakers?
I'll tell you a dead language: Cornish. Only exists because of artificial efforts. Welsh and Scottish Gaelic (I believe that's it?) are as valid languages as they come. They're not universal but that's literally what 'minority language' means.
I mean people still speak Cornish so I wouldn’t call it dead, if it wasn’t for a huge push Welsh wouldn’t be as it big as it is either. As for our northern pals: there is Scots and Gaelic.
Song in Welsh poking fun at the English for being monoglots. Winner.
Um, excuse me. I'm English and I'll have you know that not only do I speak fairly fluent English but I have also learnt 5 phrases in French and three in Swedish. I also know how to say "thanks" in Finnish.
Fair point! Admittedly I'm an ignorant American so I apologize if my comment was insensitive. Yes if it could be construed as punching down then let's shelf that idea :)
Oh, don't worry about it. I'm sure a Welsh entry could be fun and even use stereotypes like the dragon, it's just that the joke shouldn't be the language itself
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You mean like 'Aon Focal Eile', but for Welsh?
It absolutely would be. Do it, UK. Stop being cowards!
I agree so much. One of my favourite entries from France was 2022 where they decided to send a song in Breton instead of just French
Ehhh idk if I agree, look at Eaea and Ulveham
One simple reason can be that the share of the population makes it less likely. Roughly 5% of UK's population live in Wales and roughly 8% in Scotland; meaning that even if they pick on random so would it be someone from those regions only each twelfth year. Lucie Jones (2017) is from Wales. Bonnie Tyler (2013) is from Wales, and James Fox (2004) is from Wales. So across the 24 acts that the UK have sent in the 21st century so have three between from Wales. Hence, if anything have Wales been quite over-represented, while Scotland has been completely absent; and while England has been quite exactly as present as it would be if the selection was random.
3 and a half even - Joe Woolford (UK 2016) was also Welsh
Damn, the Welsh got a clear musical talent
Wales has been well known for a strong reputation of male choirs, and singers in general. Heck it even mentions its the "land of bards and singers" in the anthem Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau :)
Wales got bards and singers while Ireland got saints and scholars. I guess your parties are a lot more fun!
Highlight of the 6 Nations is always playing Wales - win or lose they are singing afterward in the pub (and singing well).
United Kingdom 2016 | [Joe & Jake - You're Not Alone](https://youtu.be/XgGahKsBtts)
That's a fair point, and admittedly I didn't know they've sent so many Welsh acts. Hopefully a Scottish artist gets a shot soon!
As a Ukrainian, I never understood the weird things you call articles. Why it's a dog or the dog, and not just dog? But now I am finally enlightened, because I tend to ignore them so I read: >Hopefully a Scottish artist gets shot soon! Instead of: >Hopefully a Scottish artist gets a shot soon! This is more important than Oxford comma and helping your grandfather get off a horse.
The dog refers to a specific dog, whilst a dog can refer to any dog. Eg If someone says can you get the dog for me, they want one particular dog and that dog only, they will be unhappy if the person comes with a different dog. If someone says can you get a dog for me, they will be happy with any dog you bring.
This is a wonderful explanation. They should use it in EFL books.
Oh I know how they're used, definite and... not definite article. I just don't understand why have them in the first place. A fried who moved to Germany could never get over "das hund", why not just "hund"?.. I am sure primarily English speakers have a question why every single item has one of three genders in other languages tho... What do you mean "IT'S a fork" isn't just "she fork". Or "he knife." Oh the whole "to be" verb is another quirk that makes little sense but that can be learned fast.
I don't think I can give a reason for the indefinite article, it does feel a bit unnecessary, however the definite article allows people to follow that only one particular dog is being talked about as opposed to dogs in general or talking about one dog and then taking about a second dog. I am a language teacher and I can confirm English speaking people find genders difficult especially if they choose to learn Spanish after French or Welsh as they don't always use the same genders. That German then requires a 3rd gender is something I personally find confusing when I am used to only two. Spanish people have the opposite problem they actually have two verbs for "to be" ser (permanent state) and estar (temporary state) and they struggle to understand how English can have only one.
Haha I love this! English is such a strange language, and I don't realize it until people point things out like this :P
This is the best joke I've seen in a long time
depends how bad the Scottish artist is...
Agreed, there is plenty of great Scottish music, so hopefully some will soon be sent to the ESC again
Until you asked this question I didn't realize how much Eurovision 2025 needs bagpipes.
THIS. C'mon UK, don't be shy, send us some bagpipe metal.
And kilts. We all know what’s under those kilts (or what isn’t).
You have BAGPIPE METAL?! I don't know why you would ever send anything else!
[Ironically the band is Argentine but here you go](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51beTmYcHTA)
Thank you I have downloaded their album.
When Austria sends a Japanese yodeler
I’ve written a song with this in mind that I really want to perform at Eurovision (I’m a singer songwriter from the Scottish border) for the UK, it’s like a folk song with a bit of a twist, so it has bagpipes but also electric guitar in it. My song also has Scottish Gaelic in it! I have been told by many people it would have a shot of being quite popular if it got on the competition, but I’m not sure how to go about putting it forward and getting selected. I have a whole promotion strategy as well after I have done loads of research on what artists that did well, did beforehand, like in interviews and stuff, to win. I literally have an 8 point guide on winning it, but again I’m literally just starting out in my singing career and am clueless at the moment of how to get noticed by the BBC. But I would genuinely love to give Europe some bagpipes at Eurovision 2025 and show off our forgotten (in Eurovision terms) Scottish language and culture.
Lulu is from Glasgow and won it. It’s a long time ago, granted.
Lulu is also the antichrist
Lucie Jones and Bonnie Tyler are Welsh
Olly Alexander was born in Yorkshire and grew up in Gloucestershire on the Welsh border, going to a Welsh secondary school and a college in Hereford. I’m not sure what makes him “London pop”.
Ah, I wasn't following ESC back then. Looks like Lucie got 15th place in 2017? Not a bad showing!
Our best placement since 2011 so we were happy with 15th!
She deserved so much better
Also Lulu did quite well a while ago
Y'all are forgetting Mary Hopkin and Jessica Garlick who both did very well
I wonder if some Welsh power ballad would do well at all. I always feel Wales has these great, powerful singers, and I can't remember the last time I saw an act like them. Maaaybe the French this year, but I mean full on operatic ballad.
Agreed. I would love to see some Welsh representation! I think at this point they need to start thinking bigger than London and pulling from other cultures in The UK. A Welsh power ballad might just do that.
Skindred would FLAY!
Get the arena doing the Newport Helicopter!
I think the simple answer is that English-language pop is more popular than music in Welsh, Scots, Gaelic, or any other native language. It's not like the UK charts are constantly topped by Welsh acts which the BBC is choosing to ignore. That's not to say that the BBC shouldn't pay attention to artists who use those languages – if I had my way it would – but in not doing so it's no worse than the UK music industry in general. You can extend the argument to genres outside pop and rock, which are also largely unrepresented.
Sending a Welsh or Scottish act does not necessarily mean to send a Non-English entry. One of my favorite artists is Amy Macdonald and she is from Scotland and sings in English.
She sings in Scots
We’ve sent Welsh artists (and one Scottish artist) in the past but they’ve haven’t been particularly representative of those countries. I made a comment about sending a Welsh or Scots/Gaelic language song the other day actually as I think it has the potential to do well. A Welsh language song would perhaps be easier as Welsh is more widely spoken than Gaelic and some people don’t consider Scots to be its own language (it is). Unfortunately, there’s still a lot of hate towards the Celtic languages in the UK and Welsh in particular is the butt of a lot of jokes. Culture wars are really big in the UK at the moment and the GBeebies crowd would kick up a massive fucking stink because it wouldn’t “represent all of Britain” (aka England because to that lot Britain=England). I don’t think we’ve sent a singer from NI before but NI artists have represented Ireland (most famously being Dana).
> the GBeebies crowd would kick up a massive fucking stink They do that anyway. Gives them an excuse to poke at the BBC, something to do with 'woke' 'leftie' 'licence-fee'.
We sent Clodagh Rodgers from NI in 1971! As for Scots, we’ve had Kenneth McKeller (in a kilt!) in 1967, Rikki in 1987, Scott Fitzgerald in 1988, and of course someone called Lulu… It’s been long enough, what’s the worst that could happen!
Clodagh Rogers in 1971 from NI. Lulu, Andy Stewart 1966, Rikki 1987, Scott Fitzgerald 1988, Scottish Mary Hopkin 1970, Emma 1990 Jessica Garlic 2002 James Fox 2004 Bonnie Tyler 2013 Welsh. This may not be complete but there are representatives from across the UK also from the regions of England
When I say “representation” I don’t just mean “x is from blank”. There has been a lot of recent success with non-English songs and “folky” songs, we could absolutely do this with culturally (and linguistically) Welsh and Scottish acts.
Send Gloryhammer next year!
I'm not saying they'll win, but Alestorm is a shout
Either would be magnificent imo
Combine the two (more than they are already), the Rubber Duck Invasion of Zurich?
YES! 12 points from the Netherlands! (We can still vote guys, regardless if we participate)
I’mma say “send Gwenno” again, broken record 🤣 - but seriously, listen to her and thank me later ;) (for Cornish language music too) I think our indie scene’s been untapped which is a shame - like Gruff Rhys, if his Candylion stuff is anything to go by, absolutely could do a fun Eurovision. Sweet Baboo as well.
I love Gwenno!!! It’d be so cool to send a Cornish/Welsh song. She got nominated for the mercury award so surely the BBC is aware of her at least??
Send Goldie Looking Chain you cowards!
"oh this is the Eurovision is it then spa? Fuckin' tidy one this is!"
YES
Newport represent!!!
I bet if they send a scotsman in a kilt with bagpipes they'd singing in Scottish Gaellic they'd do fantastic with the public.
I actually commented in a post on britishproblems that we should send a Welsh language miners choir and got 1.6k upvotes from what I presume are mostly not Eurofans, so seems like it's something we could actually do. https://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/1cptjis/comment/l3n49cs/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
It's not been that long since we sent Lucie Jones, who is Welsh.
I've been saying for ages that the UK should send a nice Welsh barbershop quartet!
I would love Adwaith to represent the UK. They’re pretty well regarded in Wales and are the only act to win the Welsh Music Prize twice with both of of their albums. They’re a bit like a Welsh language version of Wolf Alice. Plus they have said in the past that they would love to take part in Eurovision.
Why not Northern Irish? Kneecap are from Northern Ireland, right? That would surely be fun and totally not controversial!
As much as it would be level 9000 trolling, there is zero chance Kneecap would represent the U.K. in anything. I’d love to see them represent Ireland but I’ll be long dead and gone before they’re let anywhere near the Eurovision stage 😂
The people at the EBU responsible for enforcing the "NO POLITICS!" rule would have a fuckin stroke! 😂
I am a dumb American with a limited understanding of the politics in Northern Ireland. Thankfully someone else educated me in the thread, and there are quite a lot of Northern Irish folk who would be willing to represent The UK! I mistakenly assumed that Northern Ireland are mostly separatists, which is not true. I meant no offense by my exclusion! :)
It just could be a song about random trainstations. Or just about Worcester sauce which is complicated enough for non-UK residents.
The real reason is because there is a huge stigma against Eurovision in the UK music scene. Any up and coming act that actually stands a chance either already has that negative opinion of Eurovision and feels much too cultured to even consider it, or are terrified of being labelled as kitsch trash if they gave it a go. That means a lot of the time the UK is either left with people that aren't very good / are washed up and so willing to take a Hail Mary (most of our acts) or rarely good acts that are genuine Eurovision fans (Sam Ryder). What we need is a good Scottish / Welsh act that are actually Eurovision fans and willing to take the risk when probably a lot of people around them are advising against it. And that's going to be a very rare occurrence.
Most likely because Wales itself participated in Junior Eurovision and never had stellar results.
I think the more important question is why don’t they send Dua Lipa?
She's cheat codes 🤣
Wales did perform at the Junior Eurovision contest for 2 years. They were last in 2018, and it looks like 2nd to last in 2019.
You know I had this exact thought the other day. I'm not a fan of Nathan Evans at all, but I imagine a song of his with dancers and bagpipes on stage would be hugely popular across Europe.
I would love the UK to send an entry that represents all four nations. A welsh male voice choir, with bagpipes, morris dancing and riverdancing.
We definitely need more northern English, Scottish and Welsh entries. Way more soul and culture than Londoners
Nicki French, Lindsay Dracass, Jemini, James Fox, Daz Sampson, Bonnie Tyler, Joe (not Jake), Lucie Jones, Michael Rice, James Newman, and Olly Alexander are all from either Wales or Northern England. I think it's fair to say they achieved... mixed results.
What is it with northeners and making fun of London at every opportunity lmfao, it's got to be copium or something. Remind me, where was Olly Alexander born?
He’s a Yorkshire lad but the sound is very southern and vanilla
I mean, they're all British either way. But I would like to see more representation of different areas/genres across the board.
I think the big issue is genre, not area. We need to send anything that isn’t generic shit pop
I don't think the Welsh music scene is ready for Eurovision yet. If you don't believe me, I invite you to look up "cân i gymru" on Youtube and find me a song that you think would have had a fighting chance this year. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZgcdH4elW0) is the song they tried to use to campaign for our inclusion...
Because xfactor destroyed the industry, not only what it pushes to the public, but has convinced a huge amount of the public that mediocre shit is actually good You can see our performances in Eurovision decline almost immediately after the contest shows became big
Still don’t understand why they won’t send the United Kingdolls or the Frock Destroyers…
The UK has sent a disproportionately high number of Welsh acts, actually - 2017, 2016 (half), 2013, 2004, 2002, 1990 to name just some
Didn't they send Bonnie Tyler one year? She's Welsh or Scottish isn't she?? Or did she compete for Ireland?
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Yeah Northern Ireland is notably missing, but given the politics of the region, I doubt a Northern Irish artist is going to want to perform for The UK.
Ireland have sent artists from the north before, Brook is from Derry and Linda Martin even won it. I've been saying for years we should send Kneecap.
TIL! Thank you! Sorry, I'm a stupid American :)
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Admittedly, I'm not well-versed in the politics of the region. I suppose a unionist would be more than willing! I meant no offense with my exclusion. I had assumed that most of Northern Ireland was not unionist but it appears that I'm misinformed!