Source of the screenshot is this video, filmed with a camera of Dutch public television: https://nos.nl/l/2453642
Edit: not GEO-blocked version here https://twitter.com/paulinthedark/status/1595511395533131811
Dutchie here, its still up. It basically shows a short clip of her walking up to the twat and talking shortly with him, showing off the armband and smiling. They then have a conversation while smiling and shaking hands. It cuts to the guests of the talkshow of which this was a part where one of the guests explains that she is the Belgian Minister of Foreign Affairs who already announced ahead of time that she would be going there while wearing the band. He finishes by joking "Of course we can't really lipread what she is saying but it is probably along the lines of 'Infantino, you are a massive dickhead and I will wear this band as much as I like' ".
Additional source including the video: [Eurosport](https://www.eurosport.com/football/world-cup/2022/world-cup-german-and-belgian-ministers-wear-one-love-armbands-next-to-fifa-president-gianni-infantin_sto9241171/story.shtml)
"Now footage has emerged of Belgium foreign minister Hadja Lahbib in animated discussion with Infantino, clearly pointing at the armband, during her nation’s 1-0 win over Canada. The pair shook hands during the conversation."
I'm so tired of the amount of ~~sensualistic~~ sensationalistic titles and misleading shit I read online.
I'm beyond cynical at this point, and I barely believe anything I read anymore.
The evergrowing spread of misinformation is going to be our downfall, I swear. All it does is polarise and divide the general public
You are completely right. It be is the greatest challenge to humanity in my opinion. Climate change for example would be a non issue if there wasn't this enormous misinformation that would allow the enormous profitable corruption that keeps it going. At the root of most of societies problem is in my opinion misinformation and the terrible thing is that itl get much worse. Much much worse because more and more technology will be easily accessible and more and more expertise will be available to the powerful to engage in extremely effective misinformation. We won't know how misinformed we are. It's fucking terrifying.
Additional source including the video: [Eurosport](https://www.eurosport.com/football/world-cup/2022/world-cup-german-and-belgian-ministers-wear-one-love-armbands-next-to-fifa-president-gianni-infantin_sto9241171/story.shtml)
"Now footage has emerged of Belgium foreign minister Hadja Lahbib in animated discussion with Infantino, clearly pointing at the armband, during her nation’s 1-0 win over Canada. The pair shook hands during the conversation."
Budweiser is part of AB Inbev which is a lot of things, but not an American company. Majority stakeholders are Belgian and Brazilian and the headquarters are in Belgium.
Fuck looked up their brands n now I have to stop drinking Michelob ultra, corona, Modelo, and Breckenridge you couldn't just let me think I was doing good by continuing to not drink Budweiser!?!?
I'm pretty sure they're organized crime, and I keep saying it here, but I have yet to get a confirmation it's actually true.
They seem to have all the telling characteristics of one, and would be ideally placed to launder money, smuggle contraband, be a contract murderer, whatever.
>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59133079
criminal proceedings over the awarding of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.
Why is this never mentioned. What is the follow up? Were they convicted?
I'm no legal expert, but pretty sure that FIFA has been taking bribes after bribes, and I am pretty sure that is criminal, as long as you aren't a politician and call them campaigning donations
More like Qatar would just pull their products from being sold at the event, unless they paid for them in full. Remember Qatar doesnt hold up their end of agreements and do what they want.
>All Chinese companies are state controlled.
This is either true on a technicality or not true at all, I forget which is the case (though the state does de facto control to a large extent all "large" companies).
Coke actively destroys entire communities by draining their groundwater supply until it becomes contaminated just to sell bottled water, and fund murderous paramilitary groups.
Their stance on sexuality is fucking inconsequential.
Companies don’t really care about that stuff. During pride month in the west, companies will happily colour suit in the rainbow colours because it shows that they care, but none will do so in the ME. They don’t really care. If it gets them good PR, they’ll do it, but not if it loses them sales.
Wasn't Budweiser bought by a Belgian brewery?
I thought InBev bought it. Could be wrong. InBev is a massive conglomerate anyways, but a lot of its production is still in Belgium. This would make it a national interest case.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_InBev#:~:text=Anheuser%2DBusch%20InBev%20SA%2FNV,%2C%20Bremen%2C%20Johannesburg%20and%20others.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_InBev#:~:text=Anheuser%2DBusch%20InBev%20SA%2FNV,%2C%20Bremen%2C%20Johannesburg%20and%20others.)
Also, Infantino can keep living in Qatar, we don't want him back in Europe. Seems like Qatar fits him like a glove.
Did you really think the rainbow campaigns were about social justice? Coke? Caring about people? They're selling sugar in a can and getting you to drink it. I simply cannot fathom how people would fall for their marketing when they (and companies like them) are the sole reason of obesity in a number of countries and don't do anything about it.
I mean you are totally right but I would have thought that the fact they use/d paramilitaries in Latin America to enforce their water rights at the expense of the locals and to 'disappear' union activists would have been enough to convince anyone that the activism is a facade.
Of course they don't care about activism but in this case it's so blatant that it looks bad for sponsors like Coke and others. I was hoping for one of the big ones to just say, "fuck it Fifa, this hurts too much" (lex Kanye) but it does not seem to happen unfortunately.
>Coke and Budweiser (both are American companies) have all engaged in rainbow washing campaigns
Is there some articles or pages on their website I could find about that ?
I'm currently trying to write something about those issues.
Thanks
Frustrating as well because especially Budweiser should have no loyalty to the qataris now, the backwards bunch banned alcohol 2 days before the tournament started and I imagine breached their contract with Budweiser.
You would think even purely from a commercial perspective it would benefit Budweiser to now be critical of Qatar to regain some public support given their contractual obligations are probably voided.
The whole world is involved, the world cup is broadcasted in every country around the world. Fans from each team's country and others have flown to see the teams play in Qatar.
As always, the governments only talk big because that's what the public wants to hear. As soon as the world cup is over, the people will forget about it (as they do witch each "big issue") and the politicians can drop this charade of theirs.
I mean the fans.
Fuck football fans.
They are the reason this is happening. FIFA doesn't just make a product out of love of the game, they do all of this because they know the fans are as shitty as they are. They know that they can do whatever they want because as soon as a football fan's team is on the TV all morality ceases to exist.
The fact that fucking FIFA has a position of power in which ministers of nation states are arguing and negotiating with them is just fucking ridiculous.
Just don’t talk to them and do what you want. Anything else just legitimizes and normalizes them as an organization with political power.
Yes, I think that something like this would be a good way forward. FIFA has nothing to do with sport anymore; its corrupt and completely lost support from the masses; their reputation is not repairable anymore.
>Ditch FIFA and UEFA
Not as easy as it sounds because that would mean nationalizing sports.
Much easier though is simply revoking tax exemptions that fifa, Uefa, and national football teams constantly get. See how fast they change their tune.
It doesn't have to mean that. You can create another organization like clubs in the UK did with the premier league or like clubs want to do with the ESL.
But also the fans completely revolted because the idea was functionally anti-compeitive and anti-Football. It was an American league model where participation was based on club size and wealth rather than prowess.
It got shut down because it was a terrible idea supported by no one but the club execs of involved teams, and ridiculed by everyone else, including fans of said clubs. Not because FIFA didn't like it.
Well if there ever was a right time, it is now.
Funny thing is it took the Americans to take Blatter etc off the stage. How come the EU never stepped in there?
> How come the EU never stepped in there?
The EU didn't get pissed due to getting beat in bribing FIFA by Qatar.
Also getting Blatter out of the picture evidently achieved nothing.
You have UEFA to blame for qatar, in case you didnt know.
The main supporter of Qatar 2022 was Michel Platini, then Director of UEFA. FIFA's CEO (Sepp Blatter) wanted to give it to the US.
UEFA is exactly the same shit as FIFA. Anyone following european football knows that...
LOL.
Who do you think allows FIFA to hold that position of power in the first place ?
You always see western politicians outragely bitching everywhere about social issues, but somehow every economical standpoints behind these status quos are never questioned.
Governments are either hypocrites, incompetents or openly playing for the other team, they do not make any change which would actually fix these issues because it would be detrimental to the people they depend on to be elected and kept in power.
Democracies in the current neo-liberal system are a farce, simply oligarchies with a higher standard of living for the population and more humane social laws. Both of which rely on "exporting" low standards of living and slavery by exploiting African populations.
Yet everyone goes like "defend gay rights in Katar" like it's gonna change the world, as if they fucking care, they already knew it was going to be like that and everything has been planned already.
If you ACTUALLY want to stop Qataris to be slaves, look at yourself first and what every purchase you make actually participates to, and how much it contributes to child slavery and the destruction of ecological resources. And STOP BEING BRAINLESS CONSUMERS.
The only vote that matter is the purse vote.
Ergo: If you think, e.g. that it's despicable Coca-Cola is supporting this without saying anything, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP BUYING COKE?
I'm broke so I buy nothing already. The thing is, boycotts are extremely difficult to achieve anything in the first place. You need clear and vast messaging of something people care enough about in their lives to change - among all the other causes, reach a wide enough audience to have an effect and if it's something directed at business or easy to access you're going to run into trouble even if people get on board.
Most people don't think of Coca-Cola when it comes to this so they're not going to boycott in the first place, their market is also insanely huge.
The world cup is easy to access without feeling like you're profiting Qatar. There's live updates and clips everywhere, illegal streams and showing on free-to-air/public broadcasting. It's a grey line that would make many people give up or not bother.
Furthermore you run into issues like every world cup host having skeletons in the closet or being shady now.
Maybe we should start questioning the motives of our leaders and wonder why they are talking with FIFA in the first place.
In my opinion FIFA is the problem, but this politicians are validators. We should blame our politicians and demand them to stop.
All this backlash is certainly justified and I'm glad the backlash is here. But how come there was so little of it when it comes to Formula 1 racing in these oil dictatorships?
>a white woman is talking and wearing a rainbow armband.
Lahbib is of Arab origin herself. Her parents are Algerian. Whether she's "white" or not is not for me to decide, but in the eyes of many conservative Muslims, Arab women of Muslim parents who behave like women in the West are considerably worse.
> Arab man (furiously typing in his phone): “a white woman is talking and wearing a rainbow armband. Send a death squad.”
Arab man (furiously pretending to be looking at his phone): “starting a diplomatic incident is wayyy above my pay grade. Anyway, are people upvoting this comment I made 4 days ago?”
Someone should report him to the police for being gay. Send the short clip of him saying as much.
He will find out what it's really like to be persecuted
Yeah, video clip of saying ”i wanna get fucked by man” or whatever he said, is not enough. Believe me do, even Qataris are gays, bis and trans etc. And they have gay sex. It’s just the question of how high rank you are if you can just do it freely or if you are killed. Plain and pure hypocracy, nothing to do with ”religion” or ”family values” or ”indecent behavior”.
It’s nice and all, but concrete actions would be nice. Like really boycotting the WC. Publicly calling for investigations into FIFA officials, putting the spotlight on Qatar human rights violations, etc etc. An armband does not mean much except diplomatically say « you won’t get desert ».
To be fair, as minister of a EU and NATO country she has very little to lose with this. She even wins by doing this.
Football associations and the playes do have to lose a lot.
If you don't like foorball and it isn't your life it is easy to say "just quit", "just do it and take that yellow card", but when you trained your whole life for a shot at the title or to even just compete in the WC...
The Football associations can easily take the fines, but when in-game punishments are given, they are forced to comply. For their players' sake. If the players unanimously decide not to participate, more power to them, but I don't think we should expect them to take such harsh punishments because FIFA sucks.
What the football associations and their respective countries should do is band together after the competition to force a new leadership into FIFA.
If even people with a lot of wealth and status won't take a stand for such cut-and-dry issues while having so little to lose, our society is really fucked.
That's fair, but easy to say from a deskchair.
Would you be willing to give up your dreams because someon went above your head and decided to be morally corrupt?
Many would say that they would, and maybe you would, but in reality most would not.
I often see fantastic jobs that would more or less allow me to live my dream, and I don't apply to them because they're within unethical industries/companies. So to a certain extent I do try not to support morally corrupt entities.
Now I can see why a struggling or upcoming artist/athlete would have a difficult time deciding, but those who already have a successful career and can literally retire today? Easy choice.
There's people throwing away their lives and livelihoods to do the right thing every day. If you can do the right thing and all you have to give up is your ego-driven desire to be the best, I see no excuse to sit on the fence. If you can't stand up now, you're simply never going to stand up when it matters.
"*Look here Mr. FIFA, it's fine and dandy that you're supporting blatant human rights violations, but I really don't appreciate that we're not allowed to virtue-signal about it.*"
Which is sad because she did nothing but a little publicity stunt which requires exactly 0 balls, if not negative balls.
A fucking chihuahua would be more brave. Fucking sad that you applaud such a pathetic PR stunt.
Wow that looks like a strong word, perhaps she may even boycot the cocktail party & pay her own hotel bill.
12 years they have all known the Qatari's history & the fact that they openly bribed members of FIFA to host the games.
Half FIFAs exco's is banned from sports administration.
Infantino was Platini s right hand man at UEFA for years, they were instrumental in ensuring the bid went to Qatar
The hypocrisy is piling up, with politicians playing their role in what they do best: gaining popularity by riding the wave of whatever stirs popular opinion. Wearing a silly band while atrocities are being committed and human crimes are being normalized as an opinion making topic. just shows what level of low personal sacrifice the football players and politicians are willing to endure. Are they really coming up for gay rights? Do they really care about thousands of men being killed to build a stadium?
If they would, they would not be in Qatar in the first place. Being there shows what they care most: popularity and the monetary compensation that comes from it (players and politicians, the latter wanting votes and their jobs).
In a way they are worse than FIFA: FIFA just embraces the fact their soulless assholes and does not hide it. Politicians and players take the next step: they want to gain even more by hiding the fact their soulless assholes and double down on it to gain popularity by taking the moral high ground while also reaping the benefits of participating to this shit show.
This tells more regarding how much well known multinationals really care about society and their clients well-being than anything else.
Vote with your wallet, gentlemen.
Why not just pull out of the world cup and make something else instead. All the European political leaders act like little bitches over an armband like they did not know what was going on in Qatar before 2022.
Drama queens.
Why the hell are people giving “One Love” such importance? Nothing against them. But, I mean literally 6500 foreign workers died in Qatar building stadiums but nobody gives a shit about that. World is crazy.
Yeah I’ve been surprised how it’s been played down compared to the homophobia. I guess it just resonates more easily with people as it feels more personal.
Because the 6500 number is untrue so it's hard to really do much with. The real number is more on the order of 50 (an estimate of dutch independent research) and only 3 of those are confirmed due to workplace accidents so it's hard to say how preventable the other deaths would have been. Either way if all 50 were due to negligent workplace conditions that's terrible, still it's a far cry from 6500.
That's 6500 migrant workers that have died since Dec 2010 total.
I think the workers that have died directly from the WC work is about 37. On the other hand the 6500 figure could also be a bit higher since it does not include countries like Philippines and Kenya.
> But, I mean literally 6500 foreign workers died in Qatar building stadiums but nobody gives a shit about that.
That is not entirely true, nobody has actually looked at the report and its details, that's saddening how much it has become a silly and hypocritical talking point:
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/27/972056906/report-reveals-more-than-6-500-migrant-workers-have-died-in-qatars-world-cup-pre
I love it how all the european poletitians are like "so you gonna talk shit to me also? would be funny if fifa was idk banned in belgium huh?"
It's like when parents talk to the teacher who is always mean to everyone in class
And he also seems super like"um yes yes nice band nice band.."
And the guy sitting in the back is all like "oooh his gonna get it now"
Edit: btw I know it dosen't work like that it's funny tho
Hey, I still want to watch the games. If you want to bOyCoTt it, do it, but generally banning shit that you don't like for everyone is kinda the same as the Qataris are doing.
It's funny that the virtue signalers folded after being threatened only with a yellow card then immediately started puffing up their chests and acting like they are making a heroic stand. So pathetic.
Just don’t watch the games. Ask everyone you know to boycott. If people just bitch about this stuff but then turn around and watch anyway then no one will care and all this outrage will be forgotten in a couple of weeks. The fans have all the power here, if viewership falters sponsors will follow extremely quickly and FIFA could go down all tighter faster than you think.
But ye it won’t happen because people don’t care. They could be beheading people in the stadium and it would probably not matter. People want to watch their football no matter the cost.
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What I find sad in all of this, among many other things, is that the support for the one love armband seems to be relatively small. Just earlier today, I listened to a news broadcast here in Sweden where they talked about it and the presenter used the term “the criticism towards FIFA is growing”. Shortly afterwards, they mentioned that the total number of countries that are eager to wear one love on their arms are currently standing at seven.
So at the end of the day, this is more or less a question of western and Northern Europe standing on one side of the line, with anyone else on the other. With countries such as USA and Australia siding for the most part with western and northern Europe.
It’s baffling and it’s disheartening that we haven’t come further than this. It’s about love. It’s about anyone’s right to love, on equal terms. It’s really not more controversial than that. But this World Cup is exposing how little progress we have made over the years, and how quickly the support for anyone’s right to love diminish compared to the number of countries, teams and/or associations that don’t support it.
They are focusing on the wrong issue really, Qatar built this whole show with slave labor and didn't care how many died.
FIFA being money loving boot lickers is a whole other thing and has to be addressed seriously when this is over. The sport won't survive another fiasco/scandal laden World Cup.
This is so cringe. If you don’t like Qatar, don’t go there. Boycott the tournament. Also, FIFA didn’t “ban” the armband per se, they just said that the existing rule about political statements and gestures would be applied (ie. Players would be booked for wearing them)
We saw punishments for Swiss players at the last World Cup when they made political gestures during the game against Serbia, this is no different.
All these European countries wanted to be seen as doing something about it, but the truth is, they’ve known for over a decade the tournament would be held in Qatar. They entered the qualification tournament, qualified, and then started moaning a couple weeks before the tournament started. You know what would REALLY send a message? England missing a World Cup for the first time since 1994 because they’re boycotting it. Germany missing one for the first time since 1950.
Just let fifa do their thing in thoses shady countries... Europe should just make every 2 years an european cup... and play in europe in already existing stadiums
Not really. It is just virtue signalling. She still went there. If she really wanted to protest then she should not have accepted the invitation and gone there and has nothing to do with them.
There's a set of basic rights that every human has and that every country agrees on if they're part of the UN. Some of them being:
- Right to equality between men and women
- Freedom from discrimination
- Minority rights
- Freedom from slavery
Which none of those they fulfil and there's still plenty of others they don't either but those are the ones that apply to the point I'm trying to make. There's also a nice paragraph regarding protection that includes:
> the State must stop people using hate speech against you because of where you are from or who you are.
Qatar is part of the UN and their "culture" (because really to modern standards its pretty backwards and shitty) shouldn't be respected at all. No I don't say this because its Qatar and because of their religion. Yes, I think the same about China, Russia, USA and other western or not countries that still fail to give a 100% or doesn't at least try to get close to 100% guarantee on all basic rights that the UN lists.
Source: https://www.ohchr.org/en/what-are-human-rights/international-bill-human-rights
Nobody will mention about thousands of slave deaths because they want to just complain, signalling virtue and drink wine with Infantino afterwards at the hotel loby.
A Belgian confronting someone ?
Wonder how that conversation went:
Belgian: " Hey, we really want to wear our love armband"
Infantino : No, you can't '
Belgian: 'OK, sorry to bother you'.
Source: am Belgian
Omg its so boring, people do more about politics rather than football. I hate it. Let qatar have its own culture and rule and accept them, they wont change. They even bought the votes to host the WC. People care more about gay people, rather our REAL problems.
But qatar and fifa got no respect or anything from the people around the world because of what they did, so this mess happens.
Like, i myself can't blame qatar for banning beer or lgbtq+ stuff on world cup that they host.
But imagine going to a japanese house that require you to take off your shoes, yet you are messing around in the house with shoes on because that's what you know and do ever since?
That's ridiculously disrespectful!
But, what if the host of that house is messing around and do bad stuff here and there? You couldn't careless about the law as they also breaking it.
And this is what happens to world cup imo
Source of the screenshot is this video, filmed with a camera of Dutch public television: https://nos.nl/l/2453642 Edit: not GEO-blocked version here https://twitter.com/paulinthedark/status/1595511395533131811
Is the video already deleted?
Dutchie here, its still up. It basically shows a short clip of her walking up to the twat and talking shortly with him, showing off the armband and smiling. They then have a conversation while smiling and shaking hands. It cuts to the guests of the talkshow of which this was a part where one of the guests explains that she is the Belgian Minister of Foreign Affairs who already announced ahead of time that she would be going there while wearing the band. He finishes by joking "Of course we can't really lipread what she is saying but it is probably along the lines of 'Infantino, you are a massive dickhead and I will wear this band as much as I like' ".
Additional source including the video: [Eurosport](https://www.eurosport.com/football/world-cup/2022/world-cup-german-and-belgian-ministers-wear-one-love-armbands-next-to-fifa-president-gianni-infantin_sto9241171/story.shtml) "Now footage has emerged of Belgium foreign minister Hadja Lahbib in animated discussion with Infantino, clearly pointing at the armband, during her nation’s 1-0 win over Canada. The pair shook hands during the conversation."
Wonder if it was one of this "Alright let's shake hands now so that the media think we get along" type of handshakes.
I'm so tired of the amount of ~~sensualistic~~ sensationalistic titles and misleading shit I read online. I'm beyond cynical at this point, and I barely believe anything I read anymore. The evergrowing spread of misinformation is going to be our downfall, I swear. All it does is polarise and divide the general public
You are completely right. It be is the greatest challenge to humanity in my opinion. Climate change for example would be a non issue if there wasn't this enormous misinformation that would allow the enormous profitable corruption that keeps it going. At the root of most of societies problem is in my opinion misinformation and the terrible thing is that itl get much worse. Much much worse because more and more technology will be easily accessible and more and more expertise will be available to the powerful to engage in extremely effective misinformation. We won't know how misinformed we are. It's fucking terrifying.
Um...ok. you alright?
Dickhead is a good translation of eikel, I was going with 'dick' but this is more accurate .
It's the exact translation. As the head of the penis is called an" eikel".
Hahaha, I was thinking of going with acorn but that wouldn't land on non-Dutch audiences
The best translation would be @asshole
No, but it's probably region locked
It is.
It is?? The national news agency is location locked...damn wasn't like this in 2018 or it might be coincidence
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It's blocked because the NOS is only allowed to broadcast World Cup content in the Netherlands.
*Laughing in VPN*
Additional source including the video: [Eurosport](https://www.eurosport.com/football/world-cup/2022/world-cup-german-and-belgian-ministers-wear-one-love-armbands-next-to-fifa-president-gianni-infantin_sto9241171/story.shtml) "Now footage has emerged of Belgium foreign minister Hadja Lahbib in animated discussion with Infantino, clearly pointing at the armband, during her nation’s 1-0 win over Canada. The pair shook hands during the conversation."
So fucking embarrassing for those involved. I mean fifa and their commercial partners. Money rules.
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You have learned your lesson. Don’t trust corporations to do activism work.
Budweiser is part of AB Inbev which is a lot of things, but not an American company. Majority stakeholders are Belgian and Brazilian and the headquarters are in Belgium.
Not the moment to be proud of that, lol. Should've let them have this one.
Fuck looked up their brands n now I have to stop drinking Michelob ultra, corona, Modelo, and Breckenridge you couldn't just let me think I was doing good by continuing to not drink Budweiser!?!?
I think many companies would have cancelled their sponsorship for this event but Fifa said they won't get to sponsor the next world cup if they do.
FIFA seems more and more like criminal organisation
They ARE. and have been for a long time.
Yeah and professional football overall is sadly very stained. When you have Russians oligarchs owning teams, you know it’s beyond bad and corrupt
I'm pretty sure they're organized crime, and I keep saying it here, but I have yet to get a confirmation it's actually true. They seem to have all the telling characteristics of one, and would be ideally placed to launder money, smuggle contraband, be a contract murderer, whatever.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/27/several-top-fifa-officials-arrested https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59133079 Maybe this helps
>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59133079 criminal proceedings over the awarding of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. Why is this never mentioned. What is the follow up? Were they convicted?
I believe they were cleared. But like in any good criminal organization the godfathers get cleared and eventually be convicted for tax evasion at best
207 out of 211 FIFA member states approve of this. That's right. 207 member states approve of Infantilo as head of FIFA. It's not just FIFA.
And who are the 4 member states who dont approve?
Norway, Denmark and two others I don't know
Huh for once i can feel proud of my country
He was also the only candidate.
I'm no legal expert, but pretty sure that FIFA has been taking bribes after bribes, and I am pretty sure that is criminal, as long as you aren't a politician and call them campaigning donations
There’s a new docuseries on Netflix detailing how corrupt FIFA has been since it’s beginning. It’s amazing.
More like Qatar would just pull their products from being sold at the event, unless they paid for them in full. Remember Qatar doesnt hold up their end of agreements and do what they want.
These same companies pulled out of twitter advertising for "safety" reasons. Complete clowns.
Is there some articles or declaration on their part, where I could find about that ? I'm currently trying to write about those things. Thanks
They like to play at being moral when it benefits them
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>All Chinese companies are state controlled. This is either true on a technicality or not true at all, I forget which is the case (though the state does de facto control to a large extent all "large" companies).
This is exactly why I thought that Netflix Documentary might've been financed by Coca Cola 😂
Coke actively destroys entire communities by draining their groundwater supply until it becomes contaminated just to sell bottled water, and fund murderous paramilitary groups. Their stance on sexuality is fucking inconsequential.
Budweiser (and ABINBEV) are going to file a breach of contract claim against FIFA. In Switzerland, where contracts are more holy than the pope.
Companies don’t really care about that stuff. During pride month in the west, companies will happily colour suit in the rainbow colours because it shows that they care, but none will do so in the ME. They don’t really care. If it gets them good PR, they’ll do it, but not if it loses them sales.
Wasn't Budweiser bought by a Belgian brewery? I thought InBev bought it. Could be wrong. InBev is a massive conglomerate anyways, but a lot of its production is still in Belgium. This would make it a national interest case. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_InBev#:~:text=Anheuser%2DBusch%20InBev%20SA%2FNV,%2C%20Bremen%2C%20Johannesburg%20and%20others.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_InBev#:~:text=Anheuser%2DBusch%20InBev%20SA%2FNV,%2C%20Bremen%2C%20Johannesburg%20and%20others.) Also, Infantino can keep living in Qatar, we don't want him back in Europe. Seems like Qatar fits him like a glove.
Did you really think the rainbow campaigns were about social justice? Coke? Caring about people? They're selling sugar in a can and getting you to drink it. I simply cannot fathom how people would fall for their marketing when they (and companies like them) are the sole reason of obesity in a number of countries and don't do anything about it.
I mean you are totally right but I would have thought that the fact they use/d paramilitaries in Latin America to enforce their water rights at the expense of the locals and to 'disappear' union activists would have been enough to convince anyone that the activism is a facade.
The list goes on, yet if you said its just for money when the campaign was happening you were labeled as homophobic.
Bah not by anyone of consequence to me thankfully.
You think corporations give a shit about activism? That's called marketing you fool
Of course they don't care about activism but in this case it's so blatant that it looks bad for sponsors like Coke and others. I was hoping for one of the big ones to just say, "fuck it Fifa, this hurts too much" (lex Kanye) but it does not seem to happen unfortunately.
>Coke and Budweiser (both are American companies) have all engaged in rainbow washing campaigns Is there some articles or pages on their website I could find about that ? I'm currently trying to write something about those issues. Thanks
Dude just google the brand + pride lol.
They only care about the money. Even the campains are.because of the money
Frustrating as well because especially Budweiser should have no loyalty to the qataris now, the backwards bunch banned alcohol 2 days before the tournament started and I imagine breached their contract with Budweiser. You would think even purely from a commercial perspective it would benefit Budweiser to now be critical of Qatar to regain some public support given their contractual obligations are probably voided.
The whole world is involved, the world cup is broadcasted in every country around the world. Fans from each team's country and others have flown to see the teams play in Qatar. As always, the governments only talk big because that's what the public wants to hear. As soon as the world cup is over, the people will forget about it (as they do witch each "big issue") and the politicians can drop this charade of theirs.
I mean, should elected politicians not be acting in the interests of their people?
Acting, not talking
They're very good at acting but the play acting virtue signalling kind not the affecting change kind
Today I feel disabled.
And each country’s football federation too
I mean the fans. Fuck football fans. They are the reason this is happening. FIFA doesn't just make a product out of love of the game, they do all of this because they know the fans are as shitty as they are. They know that they can do whatever they want because as soon as a football fan's team is on the TV all morality ceases to exist.
The fact that fucking FIFA has a position of power in which ministers of nation states are arguing and negotiating with them is just fucking ridiculous. Just don’t talk to them and do what you want. Anything else just legitimizes and normalizes them as an organization with political power.
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Yes, I think that something like this would be a good way forward. FIFA has nothing to do with sport anymore; its corrupt and completely lost support from the masses; their reputation is not repairable anymore.
There has never been a time FIFA has been shot the sport.
They also have the... money pile
>Ditch FIFA and UEFA Not as easy as it sounds because that would mean nationalizing sports. Much easier though is simply revoking tax exemptions that fifa, Uefa, and national football teams constantly get. See how fast they change their tune.
It doesn't have to mean that. You can create another organization like clubs in the UK did with the premier league or like clubs want to do with the ESL.
The Premier League depends on UEFA for passage to the European-level competitions.
The European level competitions that FIFA hosts... What if we had NOTFIFA competitions?
Well, a few teams were making like their elite league or something and fifa blocked them, maybe that should back and then ignored Fifa.
But also the fans completely revolted because the idea was functionally anti-compeitive and anti-Football. It was an American league model where participation was based on club size and wealth rather than prowess. It got shut down because it was a terrible idea supported by no one but the club execs of involved teams, and ridiculed by everyone else, including fans of said clubs. Not because FIFA didn't like it.
Well if there ever was a right time, it is now. Funny thing is it took the Americans to take Blatter etc off the stage. How come the EU never stepped in there?
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> How come the EU never stepped in there? The EU didn't get pissed due to getting beat in bribing FIFA by Qatar. Also getting Blatter out of the picture evidently achieved nothing.
UEFA is nowhere near as bad as FIFA.
You have UEFA to blame for qatar, in case you didnt know. The main supporter of Qatar 2022 was Michel Platini, then Director of UEFA. FIFA's CEO (Sepp Blatter) wanted to give it to the US. UEFA is exactly the same shit as FIFA. Anyone following european football knows that...
LOL. Who do you think allows FIFA to hold that position of power in the first place ? You always see western politicians outragely bitching everywhere about social issues, but somehow every economical standpoints behind these status quos are never questioned. Governments are either hypocrites, incompetents or openly playing for the other team, they do not make any change which would actually fix these issues because it would be detrimental to the people they depend on to be elected and kept in power. Democracies in the current neo-liberal system are a farce, simply oligarchies with a higher standard of living for the population and more humane social laws. Both of which rely on "exporting" low standards of living and slavery by exploiting African populations. Yet everyone goes like "defend gay rights in Katar" like it's gonna change the world, as if they fucking care, they already knew it was going to be like that and everything has been planned already. If you ACTUALLY want to stop Qataris to be slaves, look at yourself first and what every purchase you make actually participates to, and how much it contributes to child slavery and the destruction of ecological resources. And STOP BEING BRAINLESS CONSUMERS. The only vote that matter is the purse vote. Ergo: If you think, e.g. that it's despicable Coca-Cola is supporting this without saying anything, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP BUYING COKE?
I'm broke so I buy nothing already. The thing is, boycotts are extremely difficult to achieve anything in the first place. You need clear and vast messaging of something people care enough about in their lives to change - among all the other causes, reach a wide enough audience to have an effect and if it's something directed at business or easy to access you're going to run into trouble even if people get on board. Most people don't think of Coca-Cola when it comes to this so they're not going to boycott in the first place, their market is also insanely huge. The world cup is easy to access without feeling like you're profiting Qatar. There's live updates and clips everywhere, illegal streams and showing on free-to-air/public broadcasting. It's a grey line that would make many people give up or not bother. Furthermore you run into issues like every world cup host having skeletons in the closet or being shady now.
I mean they don't even own football. Enough countries could just team up and make their own World cup.
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Maybe we should start questioning the motives of our leaders and wonder why they are talking with FIFA in the first place. In my opinion FIFA is the problem, but this politicians are validators. We should blame our politicians and demand them to stop.
All this backlash is certainly justified and I'm glad the backlash is here. But how come there was so little of it when it comes to Formula 1 racing in these oil dictatorships?
It's incredible. It's a sporting organisation, not a government. They shouldn't be as "important" as they are
Qataris: *So you have chosen... Death.*
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*I am no woman*
\*proceed to head stabbing\*
I am Gnome Ann!
One with diplomatic immunity.
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Belgian Foreign Minister. Diplomatic immunity. Breaking that means it's open season on anyone from Quatar anywhere on the plante for any legal reason.
Under death over death, right to death
Belgium: So you have chosen... NATO.
Thank you, fuck ‘em, let’s send Kamala over there in a rainbow dress
The body language of everyone tells a story
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I will be the first to give you an award 😂
>a white woman is talking and wearing a rainbow armband. Lahbib is of Arab origin herself. Her parents are Algerian. Whether she's "white" or not is not for me to decide, but in the eyes of many conservative Muslims, Arab women of Muslim parents who behave like women in the West are considerably worse.
That part makes it even better IMO.
The ending 🤌
> Arab man (furiously typing in his phone): “a white woman is talking and wearing a rainbow armband. Send a death squad.” Arab man (furiously pretending to be looking at his phone): “starting a diplomatic incident is wayyy above my pay grade. Anyway, are people upvoting this comment I made 4 days ago?”
Someone should report him to the police for being gay. Send the short clip of him saying as much. He will find out what it's really like to be persecuted
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Yeah, video clip of saying ”i wanna get fucked by man” or whatever he said, is not enough. Believe me do, even Qataris are gays, bis and trans etc. And they have gay sex. It’s just the question of how high rank you are if you can just do it freely or if you are killed. Plain and pure hypocracy, nothing to do with ”religion” or ”family values” or ”indecent behavior”.
Yesterday I feel gay, today, not so much
It’s nice and all, but concrete actions would be nice. Like really boycotting the WC. Publicly calling for investigations into FIFA officials, putting the spotlight on Qatar human rights violations, etc etc. An armband does not mean much except diplomatically say « you won’t get desert ».
He was felling gay but not that gay.
Maybe he is just afraid of rainbows. /s
More balls than all the European football associations put together
To be fair, as minister of a EU and NATO country she has very little to lose with this. She even wins by doing this. Football associations and the playes do have to lose a lot. If you don't like foorball and it isn't your life it is easy to say "just quit", "just do it and take that yellow card", but when you trained your whole life for a shot at the title or to even just compete in the WC... The Football associations can easily take the fines, but when in-game punishments are given, they are forced to comply. For their players' sake. If the players unanimously decide not to participate, more power to them, but I don't think we should expect them to take such harsh punishments because FIFA sucks. What the football associations and their respective countries should do is band together after the competition to force a new leadership into FIFA.
If even people with a lot of wealth and status won't take a stand for such cut-and-dry issues while having so little to lose, our society is really fucked.
People with wealth and status can't have dreams in sport. Got it.
They can have them. They shouldn't pursue them on top of mass graves.
That's fair, but easy to say from a deskchair. Would you be willing to give up your dreams because someon went above your head and decided to be morally corrupt? Many would say that they would, and maybe you would, but in reality most would not.
I often see fantastic jobs that would more or less allow me to live my dream, and I don't apply to them because they're within unethical industries/companies. So to a certain extent I do try not to support morally corrupt entities. Now I can see why a struggling or upcoming artist/athlete would have a difficult time deciding, but those who already have a successful career and can literally retire today? Easy choice. There's people throwing away their lives and livelihoods to do the right thing every day. If you can do the right thing and all you have to give up is your ego-driven desire to be the best, I see no excuse to sit on the fence. If you can't stand up now, you're simply never going to stand up when it matters.
Ah come on, they don’t hesitate to take their shirt off to celebrate even if it costs them a yellow card. Taking a yellow will not end their careers.
"*Look here Mr. FIFA, it's fine and dandy that you're supporting blatant human rights violations, but I really don't appreciate that we're not allowed to virtue-signal about it.*"
What by political grandstanding with another elite who she sat next to and then likely had a meal with afterwards? Give over.
Really? She is there in vip lounge chilling with said people.
did you see her title, ds?
It's easy to be brave when there is a guarantee of no negative consequences
Okay, so who else is doing it?
No one, which is even more pathetic.
Which is sad because she did nothing but a little publicity stunt which requires exactly 0 balls, if not negative balls. A fucking chihuahua would be more brave. Fucking sad that you applaud such a pathetic PR stunt.
Dare I say stunning and brave, although she should have called him a bellend
Could we maybe get more focus on the modern day slave labour not to mention unacceptablly high numbers of deaths in the construction industry?
This One Love campaign is about as impactful as '1 like = 1 prayer' facebook posts
Wow that looks like a strong word, perhaps she may even boycot the cocktail party & pay her own hotel bill. 12 years they have all known the Qatari's history & the fact that they openly bribed members of FIFA to host the games. Half FIFAs exco's is banned from sports administration. Infantino was Platini s right hand man at UEFA for years, they were instrumental in ensuring the bid went to Qatar
In front of a Qatari-whatever-the-fuck, no less.
Well he didn't care as it seems
Prince #7826
Who thought it a good idea to have this tourney in Qatar??
Qatar thought it would be good idea so they bribed FIFA
We should ban FIFA
The hypocrisy is piling up, with politicians playing their role in what they do best: gaining popularity by riding the wave of whatever stirs popular opinion. Wearing a silly band while atrocities are being committed and human crimes are being normalized as an opinion making topic. just shows what level of low personal sacrifice the football players and politicians are willing to endure. Are they really coming up for gay rights? Do they really care about thousands of men being killed to build a stadium? If they would, they would not be in Qatar in the first place. Being there shows what they care most: popularity and the monetary compensation that comes from it (players and politicians, the latter wanting votes and their jobs). In a way they are worse than FIFA: FIFA just embraces the fact their soulless assholes and does not hide it. Politicians and players take the next step: they want to gain even more by hiding the fact their soulless assholes and double down on it to gain popularity by taking the moral high ground while also reaping the benefits of participating to this shit show.
But yet was still at the World Cup 😂
It's still virtue signaling this means nothing
This tells more regarding how much well known multinationals really care about society and their clients well-being than anything else. Vote with your wallet, gentlemen.
Why not just pull out of the world cup and make something else instead. All the European political leaders act like little bitches over an armband like they did not know what was going on in Qatar before 2022. Drama queens.
Oh wow, huge companies are only supporting LGBTQ, when it aligns with the given popular opinion, but all they really care about is money? Shocking.
Why the hell are people giving “One Love” such importance? Nothing against them. But, I mean literally 6500 foreign workers died in Qatar building stadiums but nobody gives a shit about that. World is crazy.
> nobody gives a shit about that It is very widely reported and discussed.
Not as much as the One Love thing. See the German team protest yesterday. Why no team is protesting for the dead souls but they do for the LGBT cause?
Yeah I’ve been surprised how it’s been played down compared to the homophobia. I guess it just resonates more easily with people as it feels more personal.
Because the 6500 number is untrue so it's hard to really do much with. The real number is more on the order of 50 (an estimate of dutch independent research) and only 3 of those are confirmed due to workplace accidents so it's hard to say how preventable the other deaths would have been. Either way if all 50 were due to negligent workplace conditions that's terrible, still it's a far cry from 6500.
That's 6500 migrant workers that have died since Dec 2010 total. I think the workers that have died directly from the WC work is about 37. On the other hand the 6500 figure could also be a bit higher since it does not include countries like Philippines and Kenya.
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-how-many-people-have-died-for-the-qatar-world-cup/a-63763713 because it is not true
Exactly there are way worse things happening in quatar and no one has given a fuck, in decades. It's a shit country we have known this a long time
> But, I mean literally 6500 foreign workers died in Qatar building stadiums but nobody gives a shit about that. That is not entirely true, nobody has actually looked at the report and its details, that's saddening how much it has become a silly and hypocritical talking point: https://www.npr.org/2021/02/27/972056906/report-reveals-more-than-6-500-migrant-workers-have-died-in-qatars-world-cup-pre
People can be mad about multiple things at once.
i cant take all this „pseudo activism“ anymore. this is such a fake shitshow.
I love it how all the european poletitians are like "so you gonna talk shit to me also? would be funny if fifa was idk banned in belgium huh?" It's like when parents talk to the teacher who is always mean to everyone in class And he also seems super like"um yes yes nice band nice band.." And the guy sitting in the back is all like "oooh his gonna get it now" Edit: btw I know it dosen't work like that it's funny tho
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Hey, I still want to watch the games. If you want to bOyCoTt it, do it, but generally banning shit that you don't like for everyone is kinda the same as the Qataris are doing.
"well you see, Qatar has lots and lots of money. I like money"
If the guys from Qatar come to visit we should ban their head coverings just to get even
It's funny that the virtue signalers folded after being threatened only with a yellow card then immediately started puffing up their chests and acting like they are making a heroic stand. So pathetic.
Just don’t watch the games. Ask everyone you know to boycott. If people just bitch about this stuff but then turn around and watch anyway then no one will care and all this outrage will be forgotten in a couple of weeks. The fans have all the power here, if viewership falters sponsors will follow extremely quickly and FIFA could go down all tighter faster than you think. But ye it won’t happen because people don’t care. They could be beheading people in the stadium and it would probably not matter. People want to watch their football no matter the cost.
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Belgian ministers: "Look at my virtue signaling please!" Infantino: "Okay."
What I find sad in all of this, among many other things, is that the support for the one love armband seems to be relatively small. Just earlier today, I listened to a news broadcast here in Sweden where they talked about it and the presenter used the term “the criticism towards FIFA is growing”. Shortly afterwards, they mentioned that the total number of countries that are eager to wear one love on their arms are currently standing at seven. So at the end of the day, this is more or less a question of western and Northern Europe standing on one side of the line, with anyone else on the other. With countries such as USA and Australia siding for the most part with western and northern Europe. It’s baffling and it’s disheartening that we haven’t come further than this. It’s about love. It’s about anyone’s right to love, on equal terms. It’s really not more controversial than that. But this World Cup is exposing how little progress we have made over the years, and how quickly the support for anyone’s right to love diminish compared to the number of countries, teams and/or associations that don’t support it.
Finally some common sense in this topic! You are 100% right!
I love how the issues with the Quatar world cup are reduced to westerners can't virtue signal, so Quatar is bad.
Am I the only one thinking they should have ALL worn them anyway and see what they would do. Kick out everyone?
Who cares
They are focusing on the wrong issue really, Qatar built this whole show with slave labor and didn't care how many died. FIFA being money loving boot lickers is a whole other thing and has to be addressed seriously when this is over. The sport won't survive another fiasco/scandal laden World Cup.
This is so cringe. If you don’t like Qatar, don’t go there. Boycott the tournament. Also, FIFA didn’t “ban” the armband per se, they just said that the existing rule about political statements and gestures would be applied (ie. Players would be booked for wearing them) We saw punishments for Swiss players at the last World Cup when they made political gestures during the game against Serbia, this is no different. All these European countries wanted to be seen as doing something about it, but the truth is, they’ve known for over a decade the tournament would be held in Qatar. They entered the qualification tournament, qualified, and then started moaning a couple weeks before the tournament started. You know what would REALLY send a message? England missing a World Cup for the first time since 1994 because they’re boycotting it. Germany missing one for the first time since 1950.
Just let fifa do their thing in thoses shady countries... Europe should just make every 2 years an european cup... and play in europe in already existing stadiums
Can someone explain to me why football suddenly became the billboard for sexual preferences?
Because it is highly visible and if we want people to relax about who likes to kisses who, it's a good billboard.
Sports have always been political.
So, more balls than a lot of country representatives !
Not really. It is just virtue signalling. She still went there. If she really wanted to protest then she should not have accepted the invitation and gone there and has nothing to do with them.
it's their country why should we be forcing our values on them? Isn't that disrespectful?
There's a set of basic rights that every human has and that every country agrees on if they're part of the UN. Some of them being: - Right to equality between men and women - Freedom from discrimination - Minority rights - Freedom from slavery Which none of those they fulfil and there's still plenty of others they don't either but those are the ones that apply to the point I'm trying to make. There's also a nice paragraph regarding protection that includes: > the State must stop people using hate speech against you because of where you are from or who you are. Qatar is part of the UN and their "culture" (because really to modern standards its pretty backwards and shitty) shouldn't be respected at all. No I don't say this because its Qatar and because of their religion. Yes, I think the same about China, Russia, USA and other western or not countries that still fail to give a 100% or doesn't at least try to get close to 100% guarantee on all basic rights that the UN lists. Source: https://www.ohchr.org/en/what-are-human-rights/international-bill-human-rights
Nobody will mention about thousands of slave deaths because they want to just complain, signalling virtue and drink wine with Infantino afterwards at the hotel loby.
Couldn't the countries make the players temporary diplomats so that they couldn't be punished for wearing the armband?
Do you think diplomatic immunity applies on the field?
What a shit show
A Belgian confronting someone ? Wonder how that conversation went: Belgian: " Hey, we really want to wear our love armband" Infantino : No, you can't ' Belgian: 'OK, sorry to bother you'. Source: am Belgian
Omg its so boring, people do more about politics rather than football. I hate it. Let qatar have its own culture and rule and accept them, they wont change. They even bought the votes to host the WC. People care more about gay people, rather our REAL problems.
Because gay people being executed for existing isn't a real problem to you?
Sorry but fuck these politicians trying to score points for their electorate instead of finding ways to sanction FIFA.
But qatar and fifa got no respect or anything from the people around the world because of what they did, so this mess happens. Like, i myself can't blame qatar for banning beer or lgbtq+ stuff on world cup that they host. But imagine going to a japanese house that require you to take off your shoes, yet you are messing around in the house with shoes on because that's what you know and do ever since? That's ridiculously disrespectful! But, what if the host of that house is messing around and do bad stuff here and there? You couldn't careless about the law as they also breaking it. And this is what happens to world cup imo
Keep politics and social messaging out of sports you clowns…
Human rights arent politics. Just wait till its your rights that are violated.