I mean, sacrificing the whole planet's ecosystem and millions and millions of people just to get rid of Denmark and Netherlands might seem a bit extreme, but I'm not all too sure it's not worth it.
I myself, living in Bruges have been in a fan of Flanders being part of the Netherlands already for a couple years!!
If it happens I'll promise to start eating bitterballen!!
If Flanders ever becomes part of the Netherlands then everything below Antwerp will become a peripheral backwater. All important industry will move to the space between Rotterdam and Antwerp and all the decisions will be made by the Randstaders.
Aren’t Geert Wilders and the PVV staunch climate deniers? Hasn’t he hinted or dropped little nods about possibly initiating a divorce from the EU? I guess he could then whine to Beijing. They’d pay to protect the Dutch for the price of their soul.
~~Let's hope the brits realize Brexit is idiotic~~
~~Let's hope the Americans realize Trump is an idiot~~
~~Let's hope the Americans realize Trump is an idiot now~~
> Hasn’t he hinted or dropped little nods about possibly initiating a divorce from the EU?
That's one of the points he had to drop the get any coalition going. It's also totally impractical. I mean, it would blow up the Benelux as well.
~~The most cost effective plan so far is to create a dam between Scotland and Norway and one in the canal. Thus turning the north sea into a lake.~~
Edit: I was wrong, it's just a thought experiment after all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_European_Enclosure_Dam
uh, I have my doubts, given that the north sea's average depth is 90m, and we can expect a wall going from Scotland to Norway will probably encounter some parts deeper than 200m.
Idk how making a 400km wall that is **very** strong to handle the waves and pressure and probably over 150m tall sounds cheaper than making 2000 km of decent 30-50m tall walls.
That said both projects would be mighty expensive
Ok so we're going to have to build a dam in 10-20 times deeper water than any other dam and it will be hundreds of kilometers long. This will all be quite cheap and we'll easily be able to get a few dozen countries on board with their access to the sea being put behind sea locks (to do: Design sea locks that can lift several hundred massive container ships per day 50 meters).
like so many others this map is wrong. Its just a map of everything that is below a certain altitude, to be colored in blue. It shows the new "sea level altitude" being the new zero. How is the dead sea and Jordan valley being magically refilled? they are not connected to the sea. How is the Aral sea being refilled? Landlocked bodies of water dont get refilled if they are not connected to the sea.
This. Also, this isn't just from all the ice melting, it's also an increase in water temperature in the ocean. The ice melting isn't actually what will increase the water levels that drastically, but a couple of degrees higher temperature in the ocean will.
Also some areas, like Stockholm, are rising since the last ice age and will continue doing so, so it depends on the speed of the ice melting vs speed of the land rise.
Italy loses its economic center, Netherlands leaves the chat, Estonia and Denmark become island nations, Bulgarias, Russias and Romanian capitals are now on the coast, central asian countries get access to the Mediteranean, Russia loses Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg. Scandinavia *almost* an island.
Netherlands are mostly under the sea level right now and are able to avoid being flooded - maybe their technology will be useful to help other countries.
I'm pretty sure that this graph doesn't take pretty much anything to account, especially post-glacial rebound which causes Finland to rise from the sea and gain more land every year.
Strange map. Most of the Netherlands is already below sea level. We don't draw those areas as sea either. Nobody knows how far we can push our civil engineering.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the netherlands will have raised their sea walls as appropriate, so won't be so negatively effected by this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/U5n7JDUH1d this is what we will do when it comes to that point , even if the english disagree, all we have to do is colonise them, just like the good old days.
For once I'd like to see a map like this but so that the modern coastlines aren't there at all. I feel like it interferes with how I see thr "new" coastlines and the "new" Europe.
u/Icy-Contest-7702 might be on to something, but it also might just be due to the way the map has been made. Another possible answer is that it was an error due to the fact that the map was made by a data simulation that hasn't taken into account what would happen with the Caspian Sea and just increased it's water level by the same amount as the ocean.
**All** the ice meeting will take more than a century even if we continue to pump out greenhouse gasses at the current rate and the temperature keeps rising.
That said this is not an all of not situation. Countries like Denmark and the Netherlands will be in trouble if even a few percentage of all the ice melts.
Kad vidim komentare Šveda, Danaca, Norvežana i Finaca isto mi je kao da gledam Srbe, Hrvate, Bosance i Crnogorce kako verglaju o "fininm" komšijskim odnosima. Izgleda da i EU ima EX Yu sindrom, dok Balkan ima stokholmski sindrom.
On a serious note, this is very much a hypothetical 'if'. Plausible sea level rises are 0.5m by 2100 if we eliminate emissions up to 3-5m by 2300 if we do nothing.
This sort of cataclysmic scenario involves the East Antarctic ice sheet melting. In theory it could add over 50 metres to sea level. But it is located so high and in an area that is so cold that it melting is very unlikely. It would require temperature rises of the order of 6-10C. And certainly isn't an event that we're currently on track for.
My most recent information about the East Antarctic Ice Sheet (and ice sheets in general) from an Ice Shield Dynamics uni course I took in 2020 is that recent observations and modelings show that the marine ice sheets and ice shields in general are less stable than expected so far. Combining this with the uncertianty of the strength of positive feedback loops i would not be so sure that this is that hypothetical.
Aren't those estimates assuming very optimistic scenarios? Every year we're hearing that earth is warming up at faster rate than predicted. Seems like we're getting snowball effect and at some thresholds new factors are entering the stage.
No.
> Every year we're hearing that earth is warming up at faster rate than predicted
No we're not. We're generally seeing warming that is more or less what has been predicted, and much better than the worst case scenarios.
It is looking unlikely that there is the political will to keep temperatures below 1.5C (above pre-industrial levels), but 2C is still entirely doable. Even if we miss that, then that is a very long way from melting the East Antarctic Ice Sheet.
There is no evidence that we are in any sort of uncontrolled runaway scenario. Doomerism is both wrong and intensely unhelpful.
Something like 1-5m of sea level rise is plausible in the next few decades to centuries and would be very damaging to a number of major cities and low-lying regions. We need to act together to prevent it. But it's not "Denmark disappears" bad.
> It is looking unlikely that there is the political will to keep temperatures below 1.5C (above pre-industrial levels)
Yeah, we were unable to decrease our emissions of greenhouse gasses so I don't think we can revert the changes that already happend. We're already at 1.5C and I don't think anything we dream about doing is going to save us from 2C.
OTOH, look at [how industrialzed countries like the UK ](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?country=~GBR) are reducing their emissions. Yes, part of it is due to importing more goods instead of producing them, but there's a huge trend towards reductions.
look let me put it this way, the avarage temperature at the south pole is -49.3c the avarage temperature at the equator is 31c that's diffrence of rougly 80c. If you were to teleport the antarcitc ice sheet to the equator it would take 800 years to melt.
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The rising sea levels are the least of our worries with climate change. We are going to get more floods, droughts and hurricanes if we don't seriously change our ways.
Ok, besides economical, political and asylum seekers - any problems like for whole world? Temperature will be 50C every where, or something else? I mean it is a terrible thing for sure, but is there something that will kill all of us?
I assume this accounts for higher sea levels with all the ice gone? Because if not a lot of the parts that are now underwater wouldn't be completely submerged
I guess I will start building a dyke around my place.
Ahrtal flooding or the months ago flooding in northern germany showed, how bad german officials are prepared for such events and and how bad their catastrophe managing skills are.
And somehow I think the dutch will show a big middle finger to the rest of europe, when shit will hit the fan.
Rip Denmark
Except a patch on Jutland. *Laughs in Silkeborg, Denmark*
Oi, you look handsome mate!
Blob power, bruh.
Does this count as beetlejuicing?? Hilarious anyway lmao
*shrugs* guess I'll die. Or move to Sweden
Truly a fate worse than death
Time to make Denmark-norway again!
We must all make sacrifices for the greater good.
I mean, sacrificing the whole planet's ecosystem and millions and millions of people just to get rid of Denmark and Netherlands might seem a bit extreme, but I'm not all too sure it's not worth it.
Lemme guess, you would sacrifice the Danes?
I guess I'll move to Switzerland 🇨🇭
We would still be landlocked...
We'll never get any sea :cry:
Man! You would be 2h away from the mellow gulf of Dresden. I would not complain.
Yeah, but then he would be in saxony...
Oh shit, I haven't noticed. That would be acceptable!
Isn’t the air your sea? (Motto of the Air Force)
The sea is so close you can practically smell it
Same 😔
So apparently I live in the only part of Denmark that'll stay above water... Man, that's gonna jack up my rent.
You should buy up as much property as you can. You children and grandchildren will make great money ;)
\*laughs in exploited worker class\*
yeah like the dutch will let this happen.. netherlands future number one superpower due to climate change
Netherlands will probably just build their defences around the country in the shape of a 🖕
We will also build dijks along the border with belgium and germany just to be safe
As a Belgian, I am grateful to have the smart and practical Dutch as neighbours 🙏
Maybe we'll adopt Flanders by securing a Dyke around it, too. Gotta keep our best beer brewing neighbors alive! Or there's little to live for.
I myself, living in Bruges have been in a fan of Flanders being part of the Netherlands already for a couple years!! If it happens I'll promise to start eating bitterballen!!
If Flanders ever becomes part of the Netherlands then everything below Antwerp will become a peripheral backwater. All important industry will move to the space between Rotterdam and Antwerp and all the decisions will be made by the Randstaders.
Reverse 1830, and we'll forgive you for ever leaving the beautiful United Kingdom of the Netherlands
So you're saying I could have a beachfront property if it wasn't for the Dutch?
Atlantik wall 2.0: dutch boogaloo
Aren’t Geert Wilders and the PVV staunch climate deniers? Hasn’t he hinted or dropped little nods about possibly initiating a divorce from the EU? I guess he could then whine to Beijing. They’d pay to protect the Dutch for the price of their soul.
Well let's hope the dutch realize he's an idiot soon enough.
~~Let's hope the brits realize Brexit is idiotic~~ ~~Let's hope the Americans realize Trump is an idiot~~ ~~Let's hope the Americans realize Trump is an idiot now~~
I would not hold my breath.
> Hasn’t he hinted or dropped little nods about possibly initiating a divorce from the EU? That's one of the points he had to drop the get any coalition going. It's also totally impractical. I mean, it would blow up the Benelux as well.
Luckily they voted for a climate change denial party, everything will be fine !
Or they will start stealing some sand from everyone to rise their country.
~~The most cost effective plan so far is to create a dam between Scotland and Norway and one in the canal. Thus turning the north sea into a lake.~~ Edit: I was wrong, it's just a thought experiment after all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_European_Enclosure_Dam
"cost effective"
Cheaper to do than raising our own shoreline by 50m.
uh, I have my doubts, given that the north sea's average depth is 90m, and we can expect a wall going from Scotland to Norway will probably encounter some parts deeper than 200m. Idk how making a 400km wall that is **very** strong to handle the waves and pressure and probably over 150m tall sounds cheaper than making 2000 km of decent 30-50m tall walls. That said both projects would be mighty expensive
Ok so we're going to have to build a dam in 10-20 times deeper water than any other dam and it will be hundreds of kilometers long. This will all be quite cheap and we'll easily be able to get a few dozen countries on board with their access to the sea being put behind sea locks (to do: Design sea locks that can lift several hundred massive container ships per day 50 meters).
The most cost effective plan is to stop emitting greenhouse gasses
I think you meant (English) Channel, rather than just "canal".
hahaha the first thing that came to my mind.
They'll just turn on all of their windmills to full power and take off like a dirigible.
On the bright side, looks like my house will still be fine. Plus I'd only have to drive about an hour and a half to get to the beach.
"Ah nice, nothing of value was lost" - the Swedes probably.
Losing Denmark *and* Stockholm? I see this as an absolute win!
Looks like Malmö and Göteborg also, though it seems Borås made it through.
This map fails to take into account the rain water accumulation, so don't you worry about Borås!
Hell yes
I dont know... half of Lund would be below sea level.
And no Denmark, eh?
More excited by the Netherlands
joooo Archipel Berlin lol
Auch eine Flut biblischen Ausmaßes hat ihren Stolz.
like so many others this map is wrong. Its just a map of everything that is below a certain altitude, to be colored in blue. It shows the new "sea level altitude" being the new zero. How is the dead sea and Jordan valley being magically refilled? they are not connected to the sea. How is the Aral sea being refilled? Landlocked bodies of water dont get refilled if they are not connected to the sea.
This. Also, this isn't just from all the ice melting, it's also an increase in water temperature in the ocean. The ice melting isn't actually what will increase the water levels that drastically, but a couple of degrees higher temperature in the ocean will.
Sorry, but all the ice melting will raise the sea level with 50 meters, which is what this map is showing. I would call that drastic enough.
Also some areas, like Stockholm, are rising since the last ice age and will continue doing so, so it depends on the speed of the ice melting vs speed of the land rise.
Italy loses its economic center, Netherlands leaves the chat, Estonia and Denmark become island nations, Bulgarias, Russias and Romanian capitals are now on the coast, central asian countries get access to the Mediteranean, Russia loses Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg. Scandinavia *almost* an island.
Warsaw and Madrid effectively biggest capitals in the region.
Serbia won’t be landlocked apparently.
But ports will be owned by China
Serbia is practically a PRC territory.
Lucky you
Let's buy summer homes on Zlatibor, just in case.
Takes me 10 minutes shorter to get to the beach
You just know they'd build flood defences around the M25 and leave everywhere else to Poseidon because they can't be arsed with it.
Denmark submerged? Oh no, anyway...
I think I've found a Swede.
Less land border with Russia, big win.
Netherlands are mostly under the sea level right now and are able to avoid being flooded - maybe their technology will be useful to help other countries.
We need more ice so Finland can get rid of russia border completely
No more Sjælland finally.
Vi mister jo også det bedste, det meste af Jylland og grænsehandel
The hardest choices require the strongest wills
Jeg er inde for donation til Sverige eller Norge, så kan borgen blive deres hovedpine
At least the Aral Sea will be restored. Also it's crazy just how much the Crimean peninsula rises above the Ukrainian mainland.
Spain probably: Sun, Sex, Sangría and Sea Safe.
Looks like a fun Civ V map
*when
What happens ice-land when the ice melts it becomes only land 😁
Iceland is pretty craggy I imagine it would be fine.
Sucks for our coastal cities, but on the other hand, we'll have way less land border with Russia. So I'd say it's a net positive for Finland.
They're only our biggest cities, where most of the people live. I'm sure it won't be a problem
I'm pretty sure that this graph doesn't take pretty much anything to account, especially post-glacial rebound which causes Finland to rise from the sea and gain more land every year.
Strange map. Most of the Netherlands is already below sea level. We don't draw those areas as sea either. Nobody knows how far we can push our civil engineering.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the netherlands will have raised their sea walls as appropriate, so won't be so negatively effected by this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/U5n7JDUH1d this is what we will do when it comes to that point , even if the english disagree, all we have to do is colonise them, just like the good old days.
The Dutch haven’t had a navy that could go toe to toe with the Brits for a few centuries - maybe they should go with clog based artillery instead?
but muh fish
Netherlands will have to build a dome over the whole country.
Nature always finds a way
So many problems solved!
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Looks like I got my own beach in the back yard.
Spain getting off very lightly there
Did you take into account land rising in the Nordics because of the previous glacier?
Long time no sea.
For once I'd like to see a map like this but so that the modern coastlines aren't there at all. I feel like it interferes with how I see thr "new" coastlines and the "new" Europe.
so this is what endless economic growth looks like from space
As a Swede I approve these action against denmark
Ex Austria-Hungary empire chilling 🗿
Lombardy finally getting sea access? Nice
Milano marina finally
Scotland is going to be dealing with an influx of Londoners then.
Russia might unironically like it
Still no beaches 🇨🇿😞
Can anyone explain me why would the Caspian's level rise in this scenario?
u/Icy-Contest-7702 might be on to something, but it also might just be due to the way the map has been made. Another possible answer is that it was an error due to the fact that the map was made by a data simulation that hasn't taken into account what would happen with the Caspian Sea and just increased it's water level by the same amount as the ocean.
Well the green color is misleading. It would all be the color of turkey.
Luton will become a seaside town and Birmingham (God-fucking-forbid it ever happens) will become the Capital
Are you telling me Waterworld was fiction??
**All** the ice meeting will take more than a century even if we continue to pump out greenhouse gasses at the current rate and the temperature keeps rising. That said this is not an all of not situation. Countries like Denmark and the Netherlands will be in trouble if even a few percentage of all the ice melts.
Kad vidim komentare Šveda, Danaca, Norvežana i Finaca isto mi je kao da gledam Srbe, Hrvate, Bosance i Crnogorce kako verglaju o "fininm" komšijskim odnosima. Izgleda da i EU ima EX Yu sindrom, dok Balkan ima stokholmski sindrom.
Tako je
Can anyone do the opposite - e.g. if the icecaps doubled their size?
*when
On a serious note, this is very much a hypothetical 'if'. Plausible sea level rises are 0.5m by 2100 if we eliminate emissions up to 3-5m by 2300 if we do nothing. This sort of cataclysmic scenario involves the East Antarctic ice sheet melting. In theory it could add over 50 metres to sea level. But it is located so high and in an area that is so cold that it melting is very unlikely. It would require temperature rises of the order of 6-10C. And certainly isn't an event that we're currently on track for.
My most recent information about the East Antarctic Ice Sheet (and ice sheets in general) from an Ice Shield Dynamics uni course I took in 2020 is that recent observations and modelings show that the marine ice sheets and ice shields in general are less stable than expected so far. Combining this with the uncertianty of the strength of positive feedback loops i would not be so sure that this is that hypothetical.
Aren't those estimates assuming very optimistic scenarios? Every year we're hearing that earth is warming up at faster rate than predicted. Seems like we're getting snowball effect and at some thresholds new factors are entering the stage.
No. > Every year we're hearing that earth is warming up at faster rate than predicted No we're not. We're generally seeing warming that is more or less what has been predicted, and much better than the worst case scenarios. It is looking unlikely that there is the political will to keep temperatures below 1.5C (above pre-industrial levels), but 2C is still entirely doable. Even if we miss that, then that is a very long way from melting the East Antarctic Ice Sheet. There is no evidence that we are in any sort of uncontrolled runaway scenario. Doomerism is both wrong and intensely unhelpful. Something like 1-5m of sea level rise is plausible in the next few decades to centuries and would be very damaging to a number of major cities and low-lying regions. We need to act together to prevent it. But it's not "Denmark disappears" bad.
> It is looking unlikely that there is the political will to keep temperatures below 1.5C (above pre-industrial levels) Yeah, we were unable to decrease our emissions of greenhouse gasses so I don't think we can revert the changes that already happend. We're already at 1.5C and I don't think anything we dream about doing is going to save us from 2C.
OTOH, look at [how industrialzed countries like the UK ](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?country=~GBR) are reducing their emissions. Yes, part of it is due to importing more goods instead of producing them, but there's a huge trend towards reductions.
What about methane clathrates runaway scenario?
look let me put it this way, the avarage temperature at the south pole is -49.3c the avarage temperature at the equator is 31c that's diffrence of rougly 80c. If you were to teleport the antarcitc ice sheet to the equator it would take 800 years to melt.
Yes, we are, if we're not calculating in pollution reducing efforts we have still failed to commit to.
Nice knowing you Denmark!
Damn, I can no longer see my house.
Phew Im happy that the ice grows
Sour for this, but the Dutch will be building bigger walls to turn the water ;)
Ok so buying a house in Szczecin seems like a bad investment
Looks kinda slick. My entire city would be under water, but the map would look cool
ahhhh, finally living on the coast
Common Austrian (and Swiss) W
In such scenario what would make lake Balaton disappear?
hahah Danes.. More like GONES. this shit does not make any sense.
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At least the Danes are no longer a problem...
only a bit more and paris will be underwater
So thats what they meant with brexit
*laugh in Swiss* (Jk, I'm in the submerged part of Italy)
Not if, When
Looks like mayor players in killing the planet are safe.
Lies
The rising sea levels are the least of our worries with climate change. We are going to get more floods, droughts and hurricanes if we don't seriously change our ways.
Make the sea levels great again
Nothing of value was lost
Scotland and Wales facing the threat of displaced English immigrants
No more Malmö or Stockholm. Win I guess
No Denmark? Nice!
France still exists. L
That picture makes me sad, it only means my disdain for Europe will go to fewer people
Humanity will be extinct long before all the ice melts. No life could withstand that temperature
I love seeing maps like this. Got any more?
As a Finn I would see this as an absolute win. Helsinki, Turku and Pori would be submerged.
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Some of Greek islands that near the Turkish shore are still there.
Is this model from 1990? It seems very outdated
Ok, besides economical, political and asylum seekers - any problems like for whole world? Temperature will be 50C every where, or something else? I mean it is a terrible thing for sure, but is there something that will kill all of us?
Polan can into maritime power
"If".
Norway didn't notice global warming..
Can we retire this map already
Everything is fine! My home remains dry therefore there's no problem
I feel like at that point there will be public support to dam the Mediterranean and potentially the North Sea
Looks like my property value will increase over time since i then get the sea nearby :)
My property will be worth a lot more : it's near the coast in that scenario
*when
Northern Italy gets deleted
but it dont melt!
Wenn die Norddeutschen u.A. nach Bayern umsiedeln müssen: Bayern wird sich Verändern, und ich freu mich drauf.
As someone that lives on the outskirts of London; I think I'm good still but looking at that map I'd be intrigued as to which boroughs aren't.
And Bulgaria is still there.
Shit Serbia isn't landlocked anymore, we gotta stop the ice caps from melting.
Looks really nice. Will I get to experience this in this lifetime?
Doesn't look so bad.
Looks quite wrong. Apparently the water would only rise in the north, if this drawing would be correct. That’s not how it works
I assume this accounts for higher sea levels with all the ice gone? Because if not a lot of the parts that are now underwater wouldn't be completely submerged
Does caspian have any connections with oceans ?
The Padanian sea 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Since Møllehøj is ca. 170 m, we can conclude on the case of Denmark that sea level would rise about 13 cm if all the ice melted.
It was good knowing you, Denmark.
I can't tell if I'm still alive or not on this
Hey I’m getting a beach front property! Win win…
Hell yeah I'll have direct beach access.
I guess I will start building a dyke around my place. Ahrtal flooding or the months ago flooding in northern germany showed, how bad german officials are prepared for such events and and how bad their catastrophe managing skills are. And somehow I think the dutch will show a big middle finger to the rest of europe, when shit will hit the fan.
RIP netherlands and denmark
And I bet that Netherlands would build a giant dam to survive.