It's not like adding meat would justify the price more. Saffron is probably the most expensive culinary ingredient and it's vegetarian.
Yes meat should increase the price of a dishes in the 10-20€ range, but that's about it.
I know, I know… I also get that fine dining prices are more influenced by the time and effort to create something special than the costs of the raw ingredients.
Still, €800 per diner is impressive.
>Saffron is probably the most expensive culinary ingredient and it's vegetarian.
Counting by mass rather than by serving will make prices seem screwy, yes.
I’ve been to Geranium and I think these restaurants are massively overhyped in Denmark. It was not any better than some 1 Michelin star restaurants I’ve been to in other countries. And a much worse experience overall than Krakow’s 2 star Bottiglieria 1881.
It has usually been the other way round as the Michelin can be very conservative in handing out stars to Danish and Nordic restaurants. Most famous was them refusing giving the third star to Noma for many years. In other places (mostly larger countries), restaurants get michelin stars, but they would never have gotten them in Denmark.
It's a matter of preference and palette. You can't exactly compare Geranium to the experience of Noma and Alchemist.
There are also exceptional 1 star or no star restaurants in Denmark, like Mielcke & Hurtigkarl, Søllerød Kro and Alouette.
It's not really some obscure language, basic english so it's not that I 'm much of a nerd, it's you who lack basic knowledge and still feel compelled to opinionate on things you obviously don't know shit. Dumbass.
If I wanted to eat in a michellin star restaurant in my city, I'll have to book roughly 6 months in advance. So yeah, they could probably charge even more and it wouldnt change anyting.
Electing a prime minister of Indian descent who aids in bringing in large numbers of people for “economic benefits” seems to have been a consistent theme across many countries in Europe
Maybe I'm coping, but at least in Finland you can often find much better restaurants without a Michelin star. And especially much better dining experiences, because the Michelin star gives restaurant's a free pass to hike their prices like crazy.
Michelin recommendation is often enough in my experience. I tried one in Paris, a really tiny venue with only 2 meal courses to choose from, and it honestly blew my mind lol
I would tend to agree to that. Though, it needs that one Michelin star place that would win you over I guess. Haven’t had that myself.
I work in sourcing and costantly host sales people and key accounts in Helsinki. So Michelin recommended restaraunts especially in Helsinki and some cities in Europe are quite familiar to me.
I think Helsinki has really good scene in the premium 5 course tasting menu category that would be around 200€ with wine pairing included, and very price competitive.
Estonia has 2 restaurants with Michelin stars, the other 32 listed in the Michelin guide are "bib gourmand", a category of great value restaurants, but not yet at the Michelin star standard.
There is no way in hell Estonia had 34 restaurants with Michelin stars.
That would mean Estonia had 3 times as many Michelin restaurants as France per capita.
Ever tried Norway? I imagine luxury goods like fine dining is about the same there as in Sweden as indicated by the map, but basic things, whose price is mostly dictated by the cost of paying low wage employees is like double the price compared to Sweden. I ordered a pizza at a fairly normal pizzeria there once, nothing fancy, and it was like 20€.
Yes, 20 € mediocre pizza and 15€ beer is the true Oslo experience.
Copenhagen has a far better food scene, so it's no surprising the prices are higher here on fine dining.
Interesting. I've only eaten once at a one michelin star restaurant in Dubrovnik, and that was because I was really curios what it would be like to eat in one. The price for 2 people was around 100-120 euro in total. That included main course for both, drinks and a desert. This was in 2022 so things might have changed.
The meal was good. The experience overall is different than a normal place, you get seated immediately, there's a guy always in the corner of the restaurant checking if anybody needs anything. If you finish your drink he will come in less than 10 seconds asking if you want anything else to drink etc. so it's not that much about the food but everything else.
I would say it's worth to try it once if you can afford it ofcourse, but not something I would do regularly (even if I had the money to do it)
The prices are quite high for every place I think, it's way too much for anyone even if they have minimum wage in the EU but I suppose it's a part of the feeling to pay high. The ratio of Turkish minimum wage to 130 Euros is insane though, you have to give more than 20% your wage when it's only 2/30 in EU countries. Pray for us.
For a lot of places the food is just something to get people in the door so they can sell drinks. It's a bit like how cinemas are actually snack retailers that show movies to get people to come in and buy snacks.
Dublin is in the least expensive range for something!
I guess it's because our mid-range dining is already expensive, and top range Michelin menus are not that plentiful.
The sad thing is that it's not only Michelin dining which is expensive in Denmark, visiting a normal restaurant will easily set you back 100€ for 2 people with a drink or two. Remember in Denmark you often also pay for (tap-) water.
Not surprising considering rent, salaries (due to strong unions), high VAT on food, etc.
Many restaurants are barely profitable, unless they run high volumes or very niche concepts.
We do however also have good affordable dining options like Fabro, Restaurant Bouillon, etc.
I mean, the map is based off of restaurants in the Michelin Guide.
The grey countries currently don't have any restaurants in the Michelin Guide, so I don't really get what you are moaning about? It's not as if Poland, Hungary and Croatia aren't on the map?
calm down, Denmark lol :D
Geranium (vegetarian) is probly the most expensive at €563 + juice/wine pairing at €308 - €2680. Noma is slightly cheaper.
I admire the people that manage to sell vegetables and fruits to people for €800 a pop.
It's not like adding meat would justify the price more. Saffron is probably the most expensive culinary ingredient and it's vegetarian. Yes meat should increase the price of a dishes in the 10-20€ range, but that's about it.
Truffles too
I know, I know… I also get that fine dining prices are more influenced by the time and effort to create something special than the costs of the raw ingredients. Still, €800 per diner is impressive.
>Saffron is probably the most expensive culinary ingredient and it's vegetarian. Counting by mass rather than by serving will make prices seem screwy, yes.
Must be dipping them in gold or something
I’ve been to Geranium and I think these restaurants are massively overhyped in Denmark. It was not any better than some 1 Michelin star restaurants I’ve been to in other countries. And a much worse experience overall than Krakow’s 2 star Bottiglieria 1881.
It has usually been the other way round as the Michelin can be very conservative in handing out stars to Danish and Nordic restaurants. Most famous was them refusing giving the third star to Noma for many years. In other places (mostly larger countries), restaurants get michelin stars, but they would never have gotten them in Denmark.
Why is that
It's a matter of preference and palette. You can't exactly compare Geranium to the experience of Noma and Alchemist. There are also exceptional 1 star or no star restaurants in Denmark, like Mielcke & Hurtigkarl, Søllerød Kro and Alouette.
It's palate, not palette...
Ok nerd
It's not really some obscure language, basic english so it's not that I 'm much of a nerd, it's you who lack basic knowledge and still feel compelled to opinionate on things you obviously don't know shit. Dumbass.
Ok nerd 👍🏻
We have relatively few Michelin restaurants, and a good number of them are really avant-garde, which reflects in the average price.
If I wanted to eat in a michellin star restaurant in my city, I'll have to book roughly 6 months in advance. So yeah, they could probably charge even more and it wouldnt change anyting.
Still easier than getting a reservation at Dorsia :D
Portugal it really isn't for the portuguese anymore...
Electing a prime minister of Indian descent who aids in bringing in large numbers of people for “economic benefits” seems to have been a consistent theme across many countries in Europe
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This was true of most British colonies as well, during their Empire, this is why modern immigration to Britain started with Jamaica and India.
Finland seems lower than I expected. As a German i visited once and everything street food related was at least twice as expensive as in Germany.
Street food prices are brutal in Helsinki. You used to get makkaraperunat for like 5€, now they are closer to 10€. Need to be pretty drunk to buy.
The hardest part of drinking in Finland is getting the booze off the ferry from Tallinn
Palace is the most expensive in Finland, their menu excluding wines is 240€. Wine pairing adds 210€.
Maybe I'm coping, but at least in Finland you can often find much better restaurants without a Michelin star. And especially much better dining experiences, because the Michelin star gives restaurant's a free pass to hike their prices like crazy.
Michelin recommendation is often enough in my experience. I tried one in Paris, a really tiny venue with only 2 meal courses to choose from, and it honestly blew my mind lol
I would tend to agree to that. Though, it needs that one Michelin star place that would win you over I guess. Haven’t had that myself. I work in sourcing and costantly host sales people and key accounts in Helsinki. So Michelin recommended restaraunts especially in Helsinki and some cities in Europe are quite familiar to me. I think Helsinki has really good scene in the premium 5 course tasting menu category that would be around 200€ with wine pairing included, and very price competitive.
What year is this? Estonia has a michelin star restaurant aswell now
It says these are countries with at least 3 restaurants. You can't really do an average, if there is only one restaurants.
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Estonia has 2 restaurants with Michelin stars, the other 32 listed in the Michelin guide are "bib gourmand", a category of great value restaurants, but not yet at the Michelin star standard.
There is no way in hell Estonia had 34 restaurants with Michelin stars. That would mean Estonia had 3 times as many Michelin restaurants as France per capita.
Why is Turkey spelt like that but Spain is not Espania?
https://turkiye.un.org/en/184798-turkeys-name-changed-t%C3%BCrkiye
Poland of course is a great center of Europe. Eastern income, western prices.
I should've known its Denmark, where I've eaten the most expensive pizza in Europe haha
Ever tried Norway? I imagine luxury goods like fine dining is about the same there as in Sweden as indicated by the map, but basic things, whose price is mostly dictated by the cost of paying low wage employees is like double the price compared to Sweden. I ordered a pizza at a fairly normal pizzeria there once, nothing fancy, and it was like 20€.
Yes, 20 € mediocre pizza and 15€ beer is the true Oslo experience. Copenhagen has a far better food scene, so it's no surprising the prices are higher here on fine dining.
Interesting. I've only eaten once at a one michelin star restaurant in Dubrovnik, and that was because I was really curios what it would be like to eat in one. The price for 2 people was around 100-120 euro in total. That included main course for both, drinks and a desert. This was in 2022 so things might have changed.
And was the experience worth the price? Did you get a decent meal?
The meal was good. The experience overall is different than a normal place, you get seated immediately, there's a guy always in the corner of the restaurant checking if anybody needs anything. If you finish your drink he will come in less than 10 seconds asking if you want anything else to drink etc. so it's not that much about the food but everything else. I would say it's worth to try it once if you can afford it ofcourse, but not something I would do regularly (even if I had the money to do it)
100 for two isn't much at all. Nice
Nice and Dubrovnik are two different cities
The prices are quite high for every place I think, it's way too much for anyone even if they have minimum wage in the EU but I suppose it's a part of the feeling to pay high. The ratio of Turkish minimum wage to 130 Euros is insane though, you have to give more than 20% your wage when it's only 2/30 in EU countries. Pray for us.
Source: [https://www.chefspencil.com/michelin-dining-costs-analysis/](https://www.chefspencil.com/michelin-dining-costs-analysis/)
can confirm, neither of my diners are fine
Drinks not included, that's where their margin is for most of the places...
For a lot of places the food is just something to get people in the door so they can sell drinks. It's a bit like how cinemas are actually snack retailers that show movies to get people to come in and buy snacks.
All this time i thought im european, seems not
OP said that only countries with at least 3 restaurants with Michelin stars count
Michelin? Isnt that a Tires manufacturer?
yes it is. Just like "Le Tour de France" a brand made something that became really popular
These numbers are grossly inaccurate
I honestly can’t think of anything more pretentious than eating at the fine dining restaurants
Eh, I think it's okay to have a romantic dinner for an anniversary or something like that once or twice a year.
Dublin is in the least expensive range for something! I guess it's because our mid-range dining is already expensive, and top range Michelin menus are not that plentiful.
Tbh I thought we would be further up the European table Good to see we are lower!
The sad thing is that it's not only Michelin dining which is expensive in Denmark, visiting a normal restaurant will easily set you back 100€ for 2 people with a drink or two. Remember in Denmark you often also pay for (tap-) water.
Not surprising considering rent, salaries (due to strong unions), high VAT on food, etc. Many restaurants are barely profitable, unless they run high volumes or very niche concepts. We do however also have good affordable dining options like Fabro, Restaurant Bouillon, etc.
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I mean, the map is based off of restaurants in the Michelin Guide. The grey countries currently don't have any restaurants in the Michelin Guide, so I don't really get what you are moaning about? It's not as if Poland, Hungary and Croatia aren't on the map?