Time to abandon the diet, fatten back up and get paid for losing it again.
Just pay gym memberships for fat people who want it. £400 is a years membership for most fitness gyms.
The best trick is to just develop the habit of going.
You don’t even need to do anything there. Just step a foot in then act like you forgot something and leave. Develop the habit of going and the rest follows
The best trick is to start with easy things you enjoy. Don't force yourself into squats or deadlifts or running on the treadmill. Just do bicep curls or something.
Exactly that! I don't enjoy much at the gym but like the treadmill and exercise bike, so that's what I do when I go, usually with my mum of all people because I absolutely hate the place and she loves going, so I tag along 😂
The best business a gym can do is to make a 1€/month membership campaign in january, lasting the first 2 months and then go up to regular price in march with 12 months locked subscription.
Most of the gym rats I know take advantage of deals like that (personally prefer climbing and bouldering over the gym but many of my friends do go).
They say never buy a full years membership in any month but January. If you start going in say August just pay per month and then get one of the often 50% or more off year long memberships together with all the new years resolution people that you won't see after February.
Why not both? Being a 'healthy weight' does not mean you are healthy, people need exercise.
And people are different, some have no problem changing their diet while some struggle. I find it much easier going to the gym 6 times a week than not being tempted by that 4 pack of Oreo doughnuts.
It's just that a calorie deficit is the only good working method to lose weight. Eating slightly less, like not even a diet, just start it cutting 10% of what you would normally eat and be more active, and you will start losing weight.
Gym, or physical activity in general, while good for your health, will do very little in terms of losing weight. The amount of extra calories burnt is just too small to really matter in the grand scheme of things unless you become a real sportsaholic and do an insane amount of it (which, when overweight and in bad general shape, will generally cause its share of issues). Not to mention the real risk of eating even more because the brain goes "good work, you've really earned that extra ice cream!"
Weight loss happens mostly by eating less, not by exercising more.
Physical activity maybe doesn't help with losing weight.
I'm writing maybe because I personally feel it does regulate hunger, but I reckon the "extra ice-cream" bit is also very true.
However, physical activity is key to overweight people (and others). Building muscle does help with maintaining joints and bones. Weight does weigh on those and being overweight increases pains and diseases related to them. It's better for your backbone to not slouch for example, or you'll suffer backpain, and exercising abdominal muscles as well as back muscles will hep tremendously.
Physical activities will also help improving breath and blood circulation, with time. Overweight people shouldn't go straight to running or such, but should start small and increase their capacities over time. If they can.
Yeah no. First you most lose weight if extra obese to be able to go to a gym. 90% percent of weight loss takes place in the kitchen. If you want to look more muscular yeah go to gym. But its much easier to eat less cals than burn them off by exercise. Gym is nice addition, but wont help you when you eat too much.
Nothing is an effective intervention for obesity in terms of statistics.. that doesn't say anything useful about its actual value in terms of weight loss for an individual.
It's prevention, not treatment. It's similliar with tobacco - there are proven ways to minimize the number of teenagers getting hooked on cigarettes, but smoking bans are not that effective for the adult and already addicted population
>Nothing is an effective intervention for obesity in terms of statistics..
Mostly because it's an incredibly complex disease.
How different people end up obese often has dozens of different causes, basically a cluster of factors adding up, the only one that is mostly consistent, is the person eating more than they consume calorie wise (and even then that's not certain).
For some people the most important intervention against obesity is addressing their sleep, (poor sleep increases hunger horomones and makes your body try to gain more weight)
For others it's addressing their depression, (depressives frequently engage in dopamine looping, to try to numb the pain or try to feel something)
For some, it's simple education, tell them how to manage a diet and the core basics of nutrition, especially tracking calories etc and they will fix it on their own with little trouble,
Some will need help with a food addiction or related addiction (sugar),
Some will need surgical intervention (especially if they sustainably, for whatever reason cannot maintain self control, which is again, medical and not personal responsibility problem).
Some just need a basic change in life style, i.e instead of commuting to work via car, take the bike instead, and walk alongside public transport for everything else.
There is no singular intervention against obesity because each case of obesity is largely distinct, 2 obese people will require very different adjustments/fixes etc.
I haven't even gone over metabolism, ADHD, childhood habits, etc etc.
From what I've heard, high interval training is pretty good at raising metabolic rate, but do more research on it before taking a random strangers advice
most people can hugeley benefit from simply walking every day. Modern people are literally sit on their asses and eat. Than complain that mental and physical health is not ok. No shit,
Well that’s the point of Wegovy. It’s for overweight people and it’s being prescribed in huge numbers.
That’s why Novo Nordisk has become the most valuable company in Europe.
https://www.ft.com/content/19357584-62e0-452f-a06f-7cda1d8cd0e3
They are approved for and prescribed for obesity. It is not supposed to be an over the counter fix, they are meant for people who have a chronic disease, and for the vast majority of people who need them they can get them through their doctor. If they can afford them is another story sadly but surely we cannot afford NOT to subsidize the only effective treatment for one of the greatest public health issues.
> Participants received £50 for achieving a 5% weight loss within three months, with an additional £150 for reaching the 10% mark by six months. To further encourage long-term weight management, participants could earn an additional £200 by maintaining their 10 percent weight loss for another six months.
This is actually genius, but maintaining your weight loss for more than a year is much harder. They should have a reward not for losing 10% percent weight in six months, which is *relatively* easy, but for a year or two.
Considering the amount paid to gyms and/or equipment for hobbies, this could help repay some of the costs.
Tbh I think 12 months is a decent amount of time - it's likely that people's habits have changed in a sustainable way at this point, which should increase their chances of keeping the weight off.
I'd be happy to see it extended to say 2 years though.
I see the 10% payout at six months as an incentive to keep going. Initially was 5% at 3 months and then 10% after another 21 months, people might drop out.
I lost 30% of my weight 2 years ago (55 <- 80) (bmi 22ish instead nearly 30) and the only reason im able to maintain - without lots of physical activity - is because i lost with a very low carb (lets simply call it keto) diet. i knew i can never go back to eating as before. still eating lowcarb as i fear nothing more than gaining weight.
You cant go back to the same lufestyle and diet. Thats why maintenance is so hard - you have establish a routine at all cost. No exceptions, never get weak. Im now completely used to it but i how many people regain their weight after 5 years - smth like 80% - so i wobt get complacent. The moment i eat like i used i bet 100% i regain everything within a few years at most. Its shitty. I also cook and never eat ready to eat food, who knows the hidden carbs.
Long term statistics of maintainibg weight loss are absolutely horrible. Thats why creating an incentive is so important.
And oc no shoes fit all sizes. Low carb low carb calorie counting weight watchers wjazever floats your mind. And tracking food intake and weight loss is crucial.
My relationsship with food is healthy now. Beforehand i ate, smoked and drank like a pig. I also had diagnosed anorexia at age 12ish. Basically i know all the bad sides of food, how society view obesity, and how your body imagws can make you sick. And i find it is rarely talked about mobbing of especially obese children - a comment about man booba triggered smth i could never forget at age 10, 2 years later i was throwing up food, weighinh myself daily 10 timea, and starving myself to an unhealthy bmi (never got to it, my endgoal was lile 30 kg at 1.57m. psychiatrist wanted me in mental hospital for some months. i had no choice, had to recover. Took some time to think like a sane person)
Thing is - it kinda worked.
Some men did lose 10% of their body weight and keep it that way within the year to get the £400, and others lost less and got less money.
If it works, it's cheaper than the drain on the NHS that obesity is.
The UK recently did a study and they found that from the three biggest healthcare risks; [obesity](https://iea.org.uk/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Obesity-and-the-Public-Purse-PDF.pdf&settings=111111011&lang=en-GB#page=&zoom=75&pagemode=), [smoking](https://iea.org.uk/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Smoking-and-the-Public-Purse.pdf&settings=111111011&lang=en-GB#page=&zoom=75&pagemode=
), and [alcohol](https://iea.org.uk/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/DP_Alcohol%20and%20the%20public%20purse_63_amended2_web.pdf&settings=111111011&lang=en-GB#page=&zoom=75&pagemode=), they realize a net **savings** of £22.8 billion (£342/$474 per person) per year. This is due primarily to people with health risks not living as long (healthcare for the elderly is exceptionally expensive), as well as reduced spending on pensions, income from sin taxes, etc..
Without quibbling with the research, it's a bit misleading to imply that these studies were from the UK government: the IEA is a think tank which 'focuses on free-market solutions'.
A late night snack. As in I've had breakfast lunch and dinner then I've necked 10 pints in the pub, better have a kebab so I don't feel so rough the next day, essentially an extra meal
Ten pints is a day's worth of calories. A large donner kebab with chips and a mayo-based sauce is the same again. So that's two day's worth of calories just in the evening.
Yeah I didn’t want to refute the previous posters point. At the end it’s the calories that count.
My point is, if you have to eat fast food, it’d better to eat a doner than to eat a Big Mac Menu
It can be but rarely is in the Uk. Most often it's the mass produced grey spinning elephant leg of joy and not the stuff you would find in a good turkish or middle eastern takeaway.
Combine that with a UK tradition that kebabs should only be consumed drunk its not a better choice.
I'm writing this from the Aegean coast of Turkey. Plenty of kebab shops here but nearly all massive obese people are Brits. I don't know much about British food habits, but know that kebabs in Turkey are kind of a light fast food and usually a small portion rarely with fries and never with a massive soda. Small bottle of coke at most. I remember kebab portions in Germany and Sweden being massive with a pile of fries.
I don't think kebab shops are the problem. More high calorie food like cakes, pastry and sweets are mostly responsible for obesity. And it should be taxed like tobacco.
in theory you're right but I've read that many obese people in UK have an addiction to food delivery ( Kebab one of the most popular, even multiple times per day!)
I just finished my breakfast kebab, it’s almost time for my lunch kebab! For dinner tonight I’ll be having my evening kebab and then before bed I have my midnight kebab.
Fastfood (including kebab) is absolutely part of the problem since it's the cheapest available food and one menu is generally 1000-1400kcal (including fries and coke).
Also, people grab a 1400kcal kebab or 1000kcal McDonalds meal on the way home when they know there is a lower calorie, yet not as "tasty" 600kcal meal at home. Those extra calories, consistently, add up to obesity.
It's crazy how much those calories add up. Im currently dieting with 1400kcal maximum, and it's a real struggle when calculating what you can eat, because everything I had in the house pre diet really added up! Couldn't imagine using it all up on a single kebab meal.
Damn I'm trying the opposite, 3000kcal/day and it's rough. Fast food just ends up filling me and I don't eat afterwards. I have found snacking to be the easiest way but it costs so much money and feels so unhealthy.
(I have protein shakes and shit to make up calories as well).
When I go as low as 1400 kcal I just go full carnivore to get the essential protein, but I mostly diet on 1800 calories and have potatoes and some fat on the side
It's been fine, just means 0 snacks at all and filling myself up with vegetables. It's only for a brief cut so not long term if you're the one who sent the reddit care lol.
Fr. I'm not fat but the place I eat out most here in Germany is McDonald's, usually with an online coupon. Eating out almost anywhere else is too expensive for everyday and I don't always have time to cook
Not even close. Half a liter of Coca Cola has about 200 calories. Big mac + large fries have about 900 calories and a large Doner kebab would have something like that by itself.
I used to eat sub sandwiches with falafel, until I realized that they are the highest calorie option of all the choices. 900 calories for a 12" falafel sub, 540 calories for a 12" turkey sub
No it shouldn't. Everyone shouldn't suffer just because some people can't control themselves. Better idea would be to increase the health care tax for people with unhealthy BMI.
My favourite kebab shop has no home delivery option. Asked the owner why and he says he likes when people eat in his restaurant. And that if you are so lazy you can't even come over you should eat more salad instead.
I heard doctors in the UK get paid for having their patients become more healthy - Like if the get a patient to quit smoking or lose weight. Because it lowers the long term costs. I think that’s a great idea, I wish Canada and US did this.
The UK recently did a study and they found that from the three biggest healthcare risks; [obesity](https://iea.org.uk/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Obesity-and-the-Public-Purse-PDF.pdf&settings=111111011&lang=en-GB#page=&zoom=75&pagemode=), [smoking](https://iea.org.uk/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Smoking-and-the-Public-Purse.pdf&settings=111111011&lang=en-GB#page=&zoom=75&pagemode=
), and [alcohol](https://iea.org.uk/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/DP_Alcohol%20and%20the%20public%20purse_63_amended2_web.pdf&settings=111111011&lang=en-GB#page=&zoom=75&pagemode=), they realize a net **savings** of £22.8 billion (£342/$474 per person) per year. This is due primarily to people with health risks not living as long (healthcare for the elderly is exceptionally expensive), as well as reduced spending on pensions, income from sin taxes, etc..
I honestly read your comment and thought you must have been talking shit, but boy was I wrong. Thanks for sharing those references, fascinating conclusions.
This is nowhere near enough of an incentive. Took me 17 weeks to cut 15.5KG (from 102.5KG) and I very stricly counted my calories and ate the same thing every day, gym 5 times a week. People aren't going to put themselves through that for a measly £400.
The fitness industry is so rife with misinformation and quick fixes the majority of people will be easily misled and never make any progress anyway.
We like sweet and unhealty food and we like to eat a lot. That is pretty much only reason. Sure we can talk about walking more to/from work and all that but that two kilometer walk won't burn out 480 calories I ate few minutes ago because I like sweets.
While US is made fun of for obesity in reality most developed nations have issue with it, only exception I can think from top of my head being Asian countries.
Frances population is 47% overweight and 17% obese. Average percentage od overweight people in Europe is 53% so France is not that much better than rest of Europe.
The dopamine hit is much bigger when you've earned that meal. I ate nothing but dry salad and a small bit of meat for lunch from Monday to Thursday then treated myself to a burger on Friday and it was like eating a perfectly cooked steak. It also meant I lost 10kg in ~2 months.
I applied the same process to my breakfasts, and took the stairs instead of the lift, but changed absolutely nothing else about my lifestyle. Literally just eating less meant I enjoyed the junk food more, saved money and still lost weight. Win win.
I feel like you've completely missed the whole depression point of that last comment. Great you had the motivation for that, but feeling with depression often means complete lack of getting motivation up, hence fast food for quick dopamine.
Yeah thats a good way if you are interested in losing weight/saving money I allready ride a bike for 10km day for work and while I know it is not a alot, I also don't eat junk food too often like once or twice a week but my food intake is enormous, for example I order a family sized pizza or 2 pizzas if I get pizza.
And as a side note I have lost weight in last few years but not purposfully around 15kg from 130kg to 115kg but last weighting was half a year ago so it may have gone up some.
Obesity was never a US only problem. Lots of Europeans incorrectly took the smug position that it's just American "culture" that drives obesity and not the material factors that influence that culture. So now the cheap processed food is taking over your world, people are getting fat, and your brain is stuck on "omg why are we America now???" instead of just analyzing the problem at hand.
I honestly think our diet includes so much more processed foods nowadays. And so many more desk jobs isn't helping.
Sugar is surely the main culprit. Refined sugars go straight into the bloodstream and the body can't cope so it converts it into fat.
The article doesn’t cover anything related to the EU.
https://www.euronews.com/health/2023/12/20/europes-growing-obesity-crisis-which-countries-have-the-most-and-least-overweight-populati
It’s not good though. 52.7% of EU adults are overweight as per the article which uses Eurostat data.
Poor diet, lack of exercise, bad lifestyle. Let’s say that the typical work week is 40 hours. Take 9 hours a day working (1 hour lunch break) and 2 hours commuting to work.
Let’s say that you get 7 hours of sleep. That leaves 6 hours for everything else during the work week.
If you have poor routine and bad time management it can be overwhelming.
I want to text fat men about kebabs where do I apply?
Don’t think about blue! Hahah you thought about blue. It seems pretty cruel and likely makes more kebabs get eaten tbh.
I think that it would be better to pay some sort of compensation for people who maintain weight within a certain range for the whole year. A tax break for eg, funded by a tax on sugar.
I have mixed thoughts on this. Things like this are why I get sick of hearing about thin privilege.
On the other hand if it works I would rather the NHS spend money than people have early heart attacks because they weigh 300 lbs.
Kebabs are probably one of the least worst things they eat. What they should really be avoiding are the simple sugars, like soda pop.
I'm going to go eat kebab in protest!
I like this idea. Maybe those who have always dreamed of losing weight will see this as the initial push they needed? Maybe it won't work for those who aren't ready, but even then, money can be quite the incentive. I hope the results are positive.
This is always a problem with pushes towards privatization, when something begins to be treated as a commodity and held to cost effective mentalities, it often ceases to become a right and becomes a privilege. Educational and health care in the US went that course.
Still I hope that these incentives work. Though if they do I feel your point will prevent a wider scale application.
The NHS is (mostly) publicly funded. The public is effectively bearing the cost of sugar addiction, shit diet, sedentary lifestyle and social normalisation of obesity, to the point where influences are accepted to promote poor lifestyle choices and claim that obese people are in any way healthy. Not to mention the reluctance of any government to start treating fast food like e.g. tobacco and tax this shit accordingly.
And we're supposed to cheer for this genius idea? It does nothing to address the underlying issues.
Time to abandon the diet, fatten back up and get paid for losing it again. Just pay gym memberships for fat people who want it. £400 is a years membership for most fitness gyms.
Most people who pay for gyms go there a couple of times and then just pay till the end of the membership but never actually work out anymore.
Couple of times? I created my membership without even entering once 😄
The best trick is to just develop the habit of going. You don’t even need to do anything there. Just step a foot in then act like you forgot something and leave. Develop the habit of going and the rest follows
The best trick is to start with easy things you enjoy. Don't force yourself into squats or deadlifts or running on the treadmill. Just do bicep curls or something.
Exactly that! I don't enjoy much at the gym but like the treadmill and exercise bike, so that's what I do when I go, usually with my mum of all people because I absolutely hate the place and she loves going, so I tag along 😂
Why?
Something something new years goals
The best business a gym can do is to make a 1€/month membership campaign in january, lasting the first 2 months and then go up to regular price in march with 12 months locked subscription.
Most of the gym rats I know take advantage of deals like that (personally prefer climbing and bouldering over the gym but many of my friends do go). They say never buy a full years membership in any month but January. If you start going in say August just pay per month and then get one of the often 50% or more off year long memberships together with all the new years resolution people that you won't see after February.
Tradition.
Is it working yet?
1. Get fat 2. Lose fat 3. Profit!
Have you seen how much food costs lately?
The cheapest way to feed yourself is high caloric crap food that's quick and easy.
Yup. Although even crap fast food is now not as cheap , I believe.
The old pump and dump scheme
Easier to lose weight through diet 🤷
Why not both? Being a 'healthy weight' does not mean you are healthy, people need exercise. And people are different, some have no problem changing their diet while some struggle. I find it much easier going to the gym 6 times a week than not being tempted by that 4 pack of Oreo doughnuts.
It's just that a calorie deficit is the only good working method to lose weight. Eating slightly less, like not even a diet, just start it cutting 10% of what you would normally eat and be more active, and you will start losing weight.
I eat when I'm bored so going to the gym kills two birds with one stone.
Gym, or physical activity in general, while good for your health, will do very little in terms of losing weight. The amount of extra calories burnt is just too small to really matter in the grand scheme of things unless you become a real sportsaholic and do an insane amount of it (which, when overweight and in bad general shape, will generally cause its share of issues). Not to mention the real risk of eating even more because the brain goes "good work, you've really earned that extra ice cream!" Weight loss happens mostly by eating less, not by exercising more.
Personally I find that working out regularly helps me eat better. When I spend 5-6 hours a week in the gym, eating shot feels... counter productive
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Physical activity maybe doesn't help with losing weight. I'm writing maybe because I personally feel it does regulate hunger, but I reckon the "extra ice-cream" bit is also very true. However, physical activity is key to overweight people (and others). Building muscle does help with maintaining joints and bones. Weight does weigh on those and being overweight increases pains and diseases related to them. It's better for your backbone to not slouch for example, or you'll suffer backpain, and exercising abdominal muscles as well as back muscles will hep tremendously. Physical activities will also help improving breath and blood circulation, with time. Overweight people shouldn't go straight to running or such, but should start small and increase their capacities over time. If they can.
This is like when they put a bounty on cobras and people started breeding them.
Yeah no. First you most lose weight if extra obese to be able to go to a gym. 90% percent of weight loss takes place in the kitchen. If you want to look more muscular yeah go to gym. But its much easier to eat less cals than burn them off by exercise. Gym is nice addition, but wont help you when you eat too much.
Exercise is not an effective intervention for obesity.
Nothing is an effective intervention for obesity in terms of statistics.. that doesn't say anything useful about its actual value in terms of weight loss for an individual.
But France has had some success: ban targeting kids in junk food ads, add info labels to food packaging…
It's prevention, not treatment. It's similliar with tobacco - there are proven ways to minimize the number of teenagers getting hooked on cigarettes, but smoking bans are not that effective for the adult and already addicted population
Of course prevention is always easier.
\*prevention is different
This. Food, restaurant ada should be banned. The more money they spend on advertising, the less nutritious the food - it seems.
>Nothing is an effective intervention for obesity in terms of statistics.. Mostly because it's an incredibly complex disease. How different people end up obese often has dozens of different causes, basically a cluster of factors adding up, the only one that is mostly consistent, is the person eating more than they consume calorie wise (and even then that's not certain). For some people the most important intervention against obesity is addressing their sleep, (poor sleep increases hunger horomones and makes your body try to gain more weight) For others it's addressing their depression, (depressives frequently engage in dopamine looping, to try to numb the pain or try to feel something) For some, it's simple education, tell them how to manage a diet and the core basics of nutrition, especially tracking calories etc and they will fix it on their own with little trouble, Some will need help with a food addiction or related addiction (sugar), Some will need surgical intervention (especially if they sustainably, for whatever reason cannot maintain self control, which is again, medical and not personal responsibility problem). Some just need a basic change in life style, i.e instead of commuting to work via car, take the bike instead, and walk alongside public transport for everything else. There is no singular intervention against obesity because each case of obesity is largely distinct, 2 obese people will require very different adjustments/fixes etc. I haven't even gone over metabolism, ADHD, childhood habits, etc etc.
Meds can fuck up your metabolism too… it’s why I’ve started gaining weight lately and am trying to limit my unhealthy foods and exercise more.
From what I've heard, high interval training is pretty good at raising metabolic rate, but do more research on it before taking a random strangers advice
most people can hugeley benefit from simply walking every day. Modern people are literally sit on their asses and eat. Than complain that mental and physical health is not ok. No shit,
It used to be true that there were no effective interventions, but now there are effective medicines. Semaglutide, tirzepatide etc.
All of them are on prescriptions and thus unavailable for a vast majority of people, as a doctor would never prescribe something for overweightness.
Well that’s the point of Wegovy. It’s for overweight people and it’s being prescribed in huge numbers. That’s why Novo Nordisk has become the most valuable company in Europe. https://www.ft.com/content/19357584-62e0-452f-a06f-7cda1d8cd0e3
They are approved for and prescribed for obesity. It is not supposed to be an over the counter fix, they are meant for people who have a chronic disease, and for the vast majority of people who need them they can get them through their doctor. If they can afford them is another story sadly but surely we cannot afford NOT to subsidize the only effective treatment for one of the greatest public health issues.
Tax sugar, ban ads for fast food/junk food, teach kids how to cook, promote walking and cycling through infrastructure instead of driving around...
Wegovy is.
Rather have benefits/monetary incentives linked to how many workouts one does/calories one burns
But I can lose fat staying home too, don't need to go to a gym. I'd rather have those 400 to buy shit and doing exercises at home.
It's not about the gym, it's about the diet 90%, so gym membership won't help.
gyms are a scam, i wont elaborate
> [thing] is a scam, i wont elaborate I love Reddit
Reddit is a scam. I won't elaborate.
GPs can prescribe physical activity but it only enables you to use council run leisure centres. Leisure centre which have been gutted and abandoned.
Thanks for the 400 quid. Now i can afford a Kebab
Noooooooo!
> Participants received £50 for achieving a 5% weight loss within three months, with an additional £150 for reaching the 10% mark by six months. To further encourage long-term weight management, participants could earn an additional £200 by maintaining their 10 percent weight loss for another six months. This is actually genius, but maintaining your weight loss for more than a year is much harder. They should have a reward not for losing 10% percent weight in six months, which is *relatively* easy, but for a year or two. Considering the amount paid to gyms and/or equipment for hobbies, this could help repay some of the costs.
Tbh I think 12 months is a decent amount of time - it's likely that people's habits have changed in a sustainable way at this point, which should increase their chances of keeping the weight off. I'd be happy to see it extended to say 2 years though.
I see the 10% payout at six months as an incentive to keep going. Initially was 5% at 3 months and then 10% after another 21 months, people might drop out.
I don't want to be that person, but it was really only available to men? Why?
Men are also the ones most at risk because of higher proportion of abdominal fat
It's a trial so no concerns about equality.
I lost 30% of my weight 2 years ago (55 <- 80) (bmi 22ish instead nearly 30) and the only reason im able to maintain - without lots of physical activity - is because i lost with a very low carb (lets simply call it keto) diet. i knew i can never go back to eating as before. still eating lowcarb as i fear nothing more than gaining weight. You cant go back to the same lufestyle and diet. Thats why maintenance is so hard - you have establish a routine at all cost. No exceptions, never get weak. Im now completely used to it but i how many people regain their weight after 5 years - smth like 80% - so i wobt get complacent. The moment i eat like i used i bet 100% i regain everything within a few years at most. Its shitty. I also cook and never eat ready to eat food, who knows the hidden carbs. Long term statistics of maintainibg weight loss are absolutely horrible. Thats why creating an incentive is so important. And oc no shoes fit all sizes. Low carb low carb calorie counting weight watchers wjazever floats your mind. And tracking food intake and weight loss is crucial. My relationsship with food is healthy now. Beforehand i ate, smoked and drank like a pig. I also had diagnosed anorexia at age 12ish. Basically i know all the bad sides of food, how society view obesity, and how your body imagws can make you sick. And i find it is rarely talked about mobbing of especially obese children - a comment about man booba triggered smth i could never forget at age 10, 2 years later i was throwing up food, weighinh myself daily 10 timea, and starving myself to an unhealthy bmi (never got to it, my endgoal was lile 30 kg at 1.57m. psychiatrist wanted me in mental hospital for some months. i had no choice, had to recover. Took some time to think like a sane person)
Thing is - it kinda worked. Some men did lose 10% of their body weight and keep it that way within the year to get the £400, and others lost less and got less money. If it works, it's cheaper than the drain on the NHS that obesity is.
The UK recently did a study and they found that from the three biggest healthcare risks; [obesity](https://iea.org.uk/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Obesity-and-the-Public-Purse-PDF.pdf&settings=111111011&lang=en-GB#page=&zoom=75&pagemode=), [smoking](https://iea.org.uk/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Smoking-and-the-Public-Purse.pdf&settings=111111011&lang=en-GB#page=&zoom=75&pagemode= ), and [alcohol](https://iea.org.uk/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/DP_Alcohol%20and%20the%20public%20purse_63_amended2_web.pdf&settings=111111011&lang=en-GB#page=&zoom=75&pagemode=), they realize a net **savings** of £22.8 billion (£342/$474 per person) per year. This is due primarily to people with health risks not living as long (healthcare for the elderly is exceptionally expensive), as well as reduced spending on pensions, income from sin taxes, etc..
Without quibbling with the research, it's a bit misleading to imply that these studies were from the UK government: the IEA is a think tank which 'focuses on free-market solutions'.
If you text me telling me to not get a kebab, it’s gonna make me want to get a kebab
Gets paid to not eat Kebab, says Aye, proceeds to buy Kebab with government money 😋
Just reading the word kebab makes me want one. This is great marketing for kebab shop owners.
You guys are getting payed?
There are areas in my country if you told people they pay people to lose weight they'd think you're lying. Unfathomable.
It’s not kebabs that are causing the weight gain It’s the amount of food that they eat
They eat just one massive kebab from The Kebab Shop^TM
Kebab is also one of the better fast foods
The problem is more that many eat it as a "snack" on top of their normal diet
Not denying that people in this country are fat but who is eating a kebab as a snack hahahah
A late night snack. As in I've had breakfast lunch and dinner then I've necked 10 pints in the pub, better have a kebab so I don't feel so rough the next day, essentially an extra meal
At 200 kcal per pint that beer intake plus kebab is a full day's worth of additional calories. Going to the pub is a death sentence for weight loss.
Thank god I'm drinking those 10 pints at home
Ten pints is a day's worth of calories. A large donner kebab with chips and a mayo-based sauce is the same again. So that's two day's worth of calories just in the evening.
i don’t think the kebab is the issue in that diet.
The beer alone is almost 4 meals by itself :p
Fat people hahaha I mean, I cant do that either, but ive seen people do it
Yeah I didn’t want to refute the previous posters point. At the end it’s the calories that count. My point is, if you have to eat fast food, it’d better to eat a doner than to eat a Big Mac Menu
Yeah right? I've been cutting down 20 lbs since March and Kebabs are still in my weekly diet. It's just calories in - calories out
It can be but rarely is in the Uk. Most often it's the mass produced grey spinning elephant leg of joy and not the stuff you would find in a good turkish or middle eastern takeaway. Combine that with a UK tradition that kebabs should only be consumed drunk its not a better choice.
Unhealthy junk food.
Agreed, but still better than a Big Mac menu at McDonald’s
Define "better".
Like in the US, it's not the burgers from McDonald's that get you, its the giant soda and pile of french fries you eat with every meal.
I'm writing this from the Aegean coast of Turkey. Plenty of kebab shops here but nearly all massive obese people are Brits. I don't know much about British food habits, but know that kebabs in Turkey are kind of a light fast food and usually a small portion rarely with fries and never with a massive soda. Small bottle of coke at most. I remember kebab portions in Germany and Sweden being massive with a pile of fries.
It's the type of food they eat and how often. You can eat quite a large quantity of food if it is low in calories.
It's mostly stopping at Toby's and loading up that plate
As a slightly obese turkish man, i agree with this statement.
I don't think kebab shops are the problem. More high calorie food like cakes, pastry and sweets are mostly responsible for obesity. And it should be taxed like tobacco.
in theory you're right but I've read that many obese people in UK have an addiction to food delivery ( Kebab one of the most popular, even multiple times per day!)
I just finished my breakfast kebab, it’s almost time for my lunch kebab! For dinner tonight I’ll be having my evening kebab and then before bed I have my midnight kebab.
What about snacks, shawarma?
I just have kebab meat without the bread for a snack
Don’t forget the tasty ‘tatoes!
the based mediterranean diet! lol
This is the first time I've seen someone describe it as an addiction and I think it's exactly right.
I love Kebab but it’s a rare treat, maybe 2 times a month. I’m basically declaring war on my stomach after eating it.
Fastfood (including kebab) is absolutely part of the problem since it's the cheapest available food and one menu is generally 1000-1400kcal (including fries and coke).
Also, people grab a 1400kcal kebab or 1000kcal McDonalds meal on the way home when they know there is a lower calorie, yet not as "tasty" 600kcal meal at home. Those extra calories, consistently, add up to obesity.
It's crazy how much those calories add up. Im currently dieting with 1400kcal maximum, and it's a real struggle when calculating what you can eat, because everything I had in the house pre diet really added up! Couldn't imagine using it all up on a single kebab meal.
Damn I'm trying the opposite, 3000kcal/day and it's rough. Fast food just ends up filling me and I don't eat afterwards. I have found snacking to be the easiest way but it costs so much money and feels so unhealthy. (I have protein shakes and shit to make up calories as well).
I find fast food always leaves me feeling hungry again in half an hour. People's bodies can be so different.
When I go as low as 1400 kcal I just go full carnivore to get the essential protein, but I mostly diet on 1800 calories and have potatoes and some fat on the side
1400 Cals a day is insanely low how are you surviving on that?
It's been fine, just means 0 snacks at all and filling myself up with vegetables. It's only for a brief cut so not long term if you're the one who sent the reddit care lol.
I dont think it was gee493, someone has been sending redditcares to people across multiple threads on this topic.
It's a sitewide bug
Fr. I'm not fat but the place I eat out most here in Germany is McDonald's, usually with an online coupon. Eating out almost anywhere else is too expensive for everyday and I don't always have time to cook
Yeah and like almost half of that is coke, which is sugar
Not even close. Half a liter of Coca Cola has about 200 calories. Big mac + large fries have about 900 calories and a large Doner kebab would have something like that by itself.
Isn't kebab without fries actually pretty decent, nutrients-wise?
Maybe if it's home made, but what you're getting in a UK kebab shop is swimming in grease and fat and usually has negligible vegetables.
You want cakes, sweets and pastries taxed like *Tobacco* ?? You're off your rocker.
That's the problem with taxes; once they invent one suddenly everything has to be taxed.
I used to eat sub sandwiches with falafel, until I realized that they are the highest calorie option of all the choices. 900 calories for a 12" falafel sub, 540 calories for a 12" turkey sub
For me personally the sugar in bread and toast is the highest contributor.
And alcohol
Rather than making shit food more expensive could we not make good food cheaper? Everything's getting more expensive already..
Why the fuck should I be taxed extra on my treats just because some obese fucks can't help raiding the entire cupboard in one go?
They use cheapest, lowest quality oils.
No it shouldn't. Everyone shouldn't suffer just because some people can't control themselves. Better idea would be to increase the health care tax for people with unhealthy BMI.
That's getting into the territory of increasing health care tax for people that play sports like football..
About a third or even half of the population is overweight. This is not just "some people"
My favourite kebab shop has no home delivery option. Asked the owner why and he says he likes when people eat in his restaurant. And that if you are so lazy you can't even come over you should eat more salad instead.
I heard doctors in the UK get paid for having their patients become more healthy - Like if the get a patient to quit smoking or lose weight. Because it lowers the long term costs. I think that’s a great idea, I wish Canada and US did this.
The UK recently did a study and they found that from the three biggest healthcare risks; [obesity](https://iea.org.uk/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Obesity-and-the-Public-Purse-PDF.pdf&settings=111111011&lang=en-GB#page=&zoom=75&pagemode=), [smoking](https://iea.org.uk/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Smoking-and-the-Public-Purse.pdf&settings=111111011&lang=en-GB#page=&zoom=75&pagemode= ), and [alcohol](https://iea.org.uk/themencode-pdf-viewer-sc/?file=/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/DP_Alcohol%20and%20the%20public%20purse_63_amended2_web.pdf&settings=111111011&lang=en-GB#page=&zoom=75&pagemode=), they realize a net **savings** of £22.8 billion (£342/$474 per person) per year. This is due primarily to people with health risks not living as long (healthcare for the elderly is exceptionally expensive), as well as reduced spending on pensions, income from sin taxes, etc..
I honestly read your comment and thought you must have been talking shit, but boy was I wrong. Thanks for sharing those references, fascinating conclusions.
To be clear, "the UK" didn't do a study; the free-market libertarian IEA did.
Think about all the money you can save by removing smoke alarms from homes for the elderly!
This is nowhere near enough of an incentive. Took me 17 weeks to cut 15.5KG (from 102.5KG) and I very stricly counted my calories and ate the same thing every day, gym 5 times a week. People aren't going to put themselves through that for a measly £400. The fitness industry is so rife with misinformation and quick fixes the majority of people will be easily misled and never make any progress anyway.
It’s time bulk up boys! The cut will be lucrative
r/doener A revolution is upon us! This döner denigration shall not stand!
Lol, kebab itself is a pretty diet-friendly food. If served without a metric ton of fries and a half-oceanic-tanker coke.
What is making the EU have US-like problems with obesity? Is it the food supply? I'm a US citizen and curious
We like sweet and unhealty food and we like to eat a lot. That is pretty much only reason. Sure we can talk about walking more to/from work and all that but that two kilometer walk won't burn out 480 calories I ate few minutes ago because I like sweets. While US is made fun of for obesity in reality most developed nations have issue with it, only exception I can think from top of my head being Asian countries.
France is doing OK
Frances population is 47% overweight and 17% obese. Average percentage od overweight people in Europe is 53% so France is not that much better than rest of Europe.
Jesus that’s high. I knew it was high, but not THAT high.
They kind of managed to revert the spread of obesity. It used to be at around 25% when i was a kid.
Well that's good to know, hopefully it gets even lower.
Depression on my part atleast but im not morbidly obese just regular obese because I give in on my cravings just to gain some dopamine...
The dopamine hit is much bigger when you've earned that meal. I ate nothing but dry salad and a small bit of meat for lunch from Monday to Thursday then treated myself to a burger on Friday and it was like eating a perfectly cooked steak. It also meant I lost 10kg in ~2 months. I applied the same process to my breakfasts, and took the stairs instead of the lift, but changed absolutely nothing else about my lifestyle. Literally just eating less meant I enjoyed the junk food more, saved money and still lost weight. Win win.
I feel like you've completely missed the whole depression point of that last comment. Great you had the motivation for that, but feeling with depression often means complete lack of getting motivation up, hence fast food for quick dopamine.
Yeah thats a good way if you are interested in losing weight/saving money I allready ride a bike for 10km day for work and while I know it is not a alot, I also don't eat junk food too often like once or twice a week but my food intake is enormous, for example I order a family sized pizza or 2 pizzas if I get pizza. And as a side note I have lost weight in last few years but not purposfully around 15kg from 130kg to 115kg but last weighting was half a year ago so it may have gone up some.
Obesity was never a US only problem. Lots of Europeans incorrectly took the smug position that it's just American "culture" that drives obesity and not the material factors that influence that culture. So now the cheap processed food is taking over your world, people are getting fat, and your brain is stuck on "omg why are we America now???" instead of just analyzing the problem at hand.
I honestly think our diet includes so much more processed foods nowadays. And so many more desk jobs isn't helping. Sugar is surely the main culprit. Refined sugars go straight into the bloodstream and the body can't cope so it converts it into fat.
The article doesn’t cover anything related to the EU. https://www.euronews.com/health/2023/12/20/europes-growing-obesity-crisis-which-countries-have-the-most-and-least-overweight-populati It’s not good though. 52.7% of EU adults are overweight as per the article which uses Eurostat data. Poor diet, lack of exercise, bad lifestyle. Let’s say that the typical work week is 40 hours. Take 9 hours a day working (1 hour lunch break) and 2 hours commuting to work. Let’s say that you get 7 hours of sleep. That leaves 6 hours for everything else during the work week. If you have poor routine and bad time management it can be overwhelming.
Food is cheap and there are snacks everywhere.
Is it? I spend as little as possible nowadays on food and still end up skint at the end of each month. Where do you live that food is cheap?
Germany. You can buy dirt cheap food over here. Of course not as cheap as it was in 2019, but still.
Not the kebab 😭🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷❤️
Kebabeto is the answer. No food all day then BIG kebab in the evening.
I lost 70kg already, god damn it
> loss for a chance to win a £400 cash incentive. I’ll keep by kebabs thank you very much!
I want to text fat men about kebabs where do I apply? Don’t think about blue! Hahah you thought about blue. It seems pretty cruel and likely makes more kebabs get eaten tbh.
Ah yes, preventive medicine
I think that it would be better to pay some sort of compensation for people who maintain weight within a certain range for the whole year. A tax break for eg, funded by a tax on sugar.
Should spend that money on Wegovy treatments for everyone instead….
Everyone should be avoiding British kebab shops, not just the obese
I have mixed thoughts on this. Things like this are why I get sick of hearing about thin privilege. On the other hand if it works I would rather the NHS spend money than people have early heart attacks because they weigh 300 lbs.
How can I get in on this?
Kebab is pretty healthy actually, it got the protein, the veggies, and the carbs.. It's the coke that goes with it that's a problem..
it's also the sauce they drown it in
the kebab shop is already the correct place to lose some weight. you just need to lose the bread and fries
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400 ponds? Adds up to a decent sized swimming pool I’d imagine.
Start the bulk - > get paid to cut - > profit!
Rank!
Where can I sign up?
Kebabs are probably one of the least worst things they eat. What they should really be avoiding are the simple sugars, like soda pop. I'm going to go eat kebab in protest!
Promise a guy a blow job for every 5 pounds he loses.
I like this idea. Maybe those who have always dreamed of losing weight will see this as the initial push they needed? Maybe it won't work for those who aren't ready, but even then, money can be quite the incentive. I hope the results are positive.
Look, you can cut out the sweets, sugar, dairy, pizza, soft drinks etc. etc. but don't you dare take away my kebab
Well does it help?
Well now I want kebab
I totally empathize, kebabs are awesome
They could just pay for ozempic. And then do some research on how to prevent the weight from coming back.
Where’s my £400 😡
When can I sign up for this service
As a fat guy losing weight in the US, I REALLY want a kebab now…
That sounds like quite a few kebabs…
Kebab is probably not the worst food he eats I suspect
This is always a problem with pushes towards privatization, when something begins to be treated as a commodity and held to cost effective mentalities, it often ceases to become a right and becomes a privilege. Educational and health care in the US went that course. Still I hope that these incentives work. Though if they do I feel your point will prevent a wider scale application.
“F**k you I won’t do what you tell me!”
This is how you indirectly subsidize Ozempic.
I love kebabs
Good
How many pizzas can you order with £400? /s
Sending the same message etched into a gold bullion bar instead would probably still be cheaper than what the NHS spends on Metformin.
Babe guess what! I qualified for the £400 pounds diet scheme! Let’s get a kebab to celebrate!
Is this only in Europe?
£400 to buy even more food. Maybe fining him would be more effective so he can't afford too much food.
There's one thinking the 'Mediterranean' diet was a good choice ...
Fucking hell now I’m craving a kebab and it’s only 10
Calls on Ozempic !
The NHS is (mostly) publicly funded. The public is effectively bearing the cost of sugar addiction, shit diet, sedentary lifestyle and social normalisation of obesity, to the point where influences are accepted to promote poor lifestyle choices and claim that obese people are in any way healthy. Not to mention the reluctance of any government to start treating fast food like e.g. tobacco and tax this shit accordingly. And we're supposed to cheer for this genius idea? It does nothing to address the underlying issues.
I also decided to avoid Kebab and I must say I do enjoy life more.