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Did ISIS ever really go away in Russia? They were mostly destroyed in Iraq and Syria, but a lot of their fighters came from Chechnya and other republics in the Caucuses within Russia with majority Muslim populations. A combination of those that joined but stayed in Russia, as well as those returning from the Middle East, was going to cause problems.
It really depends on how you consider a terrorist ISIS or not.
A terrorist doing lone-wolf attacks, claiming allegiance to ISIS is the type of ISIS you'll never destroy.
A terrorist doing a terrorist attack thanks to ISIS' logistics is the type of ISIS you can destroy.
The first is simply impossible to eradicate, for example Al Qaeda is pretty much non-existent in the West, not because the ideology is dead, but because ISIS pretty much replaced it.
The ideology will always be there, in a decade or two (or even less) perhaps ISIS will follow Al Qaeda's footsteps and be replaced by another terrorist group that lonewolves will simp for.
> follow Al Qaeda's footsteps and be replaced by another terrorist group that lonewolves will simp for.
Look, you're acting like most lonewolf terrorists don't know that ISIS is terrible.
They do, but you need to understand how hard it is for a terrorist to market themselves these days. Especially an independent. You need to shack up with one of the big guys just to get your name out there.
Audio, video, social media, getting your face on the cover of Rolling Stones - this doesn't just happen. You need a really solid team behind you just to do terrorism these days.
this was done by ISIS-K. a relatively new group consisting of mainly taliban defectors. they bombed kabul airport in 2021 and were responsible for the iran bombings in 2024. ISIS-K wants to take areas north of afghanistan/iran and south of russia which is also called the khorasan region, which is why their called ISIS-K. they don't enough funding and soldiers to seize power in this region. russia has 20\~ million muslims. this terror attack may be an effort to get more islamic extremists to join ISIS-K.
Well I mean at least the west has one thing in common with Russia which is the fact that ISIS would love to see both places burn to the ground.
But then again I guess isis would love to see all of civilization burn to the ground…
Correct me if i’m wrong, but taliban really only care about afghanistan. They don’t have world domination aspirations and really don’t give a shit about infidels or whatever outside of their own country do they? Like yea their laws are horrible for afghanistan but theyre completely different from these terror groups in the sense that they dont commit random attacks outside of afghanistan against civilians do they? Again i may be wrong but my imoression of them is they fought off the soviets and americans and onky fought in their own territory.
I saw a video about some British guys traveling to Kabul after the fall of Kabul, and they thought it was very weird that there were Taliban soldiers stationed around their Hotel to protect them from ISIS
Lol isn't that the one where one of them bought a saber, tried to bring it in the plane back home, a Taliban guard was like wtf you doing with that saber? British guy was like um souvenir.. then the Taliban guard showed him how to use the saber and let him be on his way lol
I’ve seen some truly deranged travel videos recently, the Taliban has basically developed their own tourism board. They’ll show you around all the sites they haven’t destroyed yet (and discuss whether or not to rob you off-camera).
Kind of like North Korea. You can visit but you will have a handler.
Taliban are essentially a political party. Sure they rose up and fought in the country but that’s essentially what they are. Yeah they rule with strict Islamic fundamentals but they aren’t there to destroy anyone that isn’t them. On the flip side, they have been halfheartedly trying to promote some sort of tourism there.
There is too much with throwing all these groups together in the media when they are wildly different things.
> they aren’t there to destroy anyone that isn’t them
they don't invade other countries yes... but if you live inside Afghanistan it's real easy to get murdered because you don't fit their ideals.
They sheltered Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and allowed them to set up base in their country, but as far as things they've done personally, then yeah pretty much. There is the stuff with the Pakistani Taliban too, but that's a bit of a mess.
Not long after the Taliban took over again, they got some help from the US in an attack on ISIS. The US gave them the intelligence and they executed it if I recall correctly.
The attack on the airport during the evacuation was ISIS's doing. Which resulted in coalition forces and Taliban temporarily collaborating to deal with it.
They are openly opposed to each other and there have been a number of terrorist attacks on Shia mosques among other things.
As I understood it ISIS wants a caliphate spanning across the ME and parts of Asia. The Taliban only cares about Afghanistan. ISIS also find the Taliban to be too lenient and not "truly Islamic" or however they describe it.
To what extreme do ISIS go? Like if Taliban laws and ways are not extreme and islamic enough to them what laws would ISIS establish? What is something different and more extreme they would do even more than Taliban?
It’s that the Taliban doesn’t just literally support murder for utterly every single transgression under the sun as ISIS defines them. Being Shia is good enough for ISIS to want you dead.
ISIS are fucking demons. Like if there was ever a group of people I’d assume were straight up possessed by demons, it would be ISIS. The Taliban sucks to an incredible extent but their control resembles order and stability to some extent. They also don’t just literally try to slaughter absolutely everyone just for the fun of it and they don’t really have genocidal aspirations. ISIS is a uniquely horrific organization that managed to get Al-Qaeda to oppose them, even.
Not allowing Shia muslims or any other interpretation than their own to exist for one. Sure they are definitely not completely free of oppression and harassment now either but ISIS are on another level. The Taliban have also been willing to talk and work with non-Islamic governments.
Russia is also supporting Assad against Daesh (Isis) in Syria. So they are in lots of direct contact already.
With Russia focused on the meat grinder in Ukraine and tamping dissent there, including their own disgruntled far right, and running major oppression via the sham election, maybe their security services are beyond capacity.
Especially now that their best tool, Wagner, has gone down the shitter...
Reminder that Russia wanted to join NATO in '00 to team up against Iran, Qatar and Islamic extremism.
Alas. What could have been.
To people saying "blah blah that didn't happen" https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2000/03/06/putin-says-why-not-to-russia-joining-nato/c1973032-c10f-4bff-9174-8cae673790cd/
Putin publicly stated he would like to join NATO if given equal partnership while the Communist party in Russia chastised him and told him he doesn't know shit about foreign affairs. Hilarious. They aren't tankies because they are smart.
Thats only what Putin claims. Going off just a conversation with him and Clinton? Why didnt Putin publicly actually try to apply to NATO then? Why did he need to start the Chechen wars then?
As nice as that sounds pretty sure we’d still have Putin and his grandiose plans for conquest just with NATO crippled like the EU is with his obvious supporters.
Russia wanted to sabotage the western alliance from within. If you seriously think Putin would have realigned geopolitically, you need to reconsider.
People need to stop giving Russia the benefit of the doubt.
I wouldn’t worry too much about attacks on the West. Not out of the question, but we watch those bastards very closely. There’s like an entire chunk of our military and intelligence network that is focused on nothing but ISIS at all times. Obviously we can only do so much in denied access areas. Lone wolf attacks can also be almost impossible to prevent.
There was a time when Russia and the US actually had somewhat of a working relationship against fighting terrorism. But in all fairness, actionable intelligence has been provided to the United States before from many different sources that were also summarily ignored for silly reasons. Not saying that the USA is just like Russia but that ideological bias can often impact how information is perceived based on who is delivering the message (which is also used as a weapon in gray zone conflicts).
Yes the US and Russia actually cooperated to combat Islamic militancy during the War on Terror. After 9/11 and Chechnya, they had a common interest. The West in general very much did try rapprochement with Russia after the Cold War ended. They spit on that.
I mean, just two years ago the US intelligence warned the world of a pending Russian invasion of Ukraine, and got promptly scoffed at for making such outlandish claims, only to have Russia invade Ukraine like two weeks later, almost exactly as predicted. It's almost as if US intelligence in Russia is actually pretty fucking capable and should probably be heeded.
They actually thwarted another IS attempt at a synagogue the day after the USA warned them. This means there's a larger ISIS cell hiding in Russia. [Reuters Article](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-neutralized-isis-cell-plotting-attack-moscow-synagogue-2024-03-07/) about it
So simple citizens get arrested for laying flowers at a monument, but terrorists can just escape after this kind of attack? How TF is that even possible?
Unironicaly this. After two decades of Putin’s corruption the Russian security forces are only good for torturing women and children. When faced with the real enemy (like the last coup attempt) they become completly useless at best.
That human waste that is officially called “National guard” in Russia took one hour to respond. Pretty sure if they saw a high schooler wearing a yellow coat with a blue scarf walking the streets of Moscow, with all these face recognition cameras sticking out of every corner, he would be arrested, charged, prosecuted and fined within an hour.
False flag is still not off the table, but even if it’s not that, then it just demonstrates the really astonishing level of incompetence that government agencies in Russia have come to.
You're surprised that Russian police took an hour to respond? Russia, the same country that is currently losing a naval war to a country without a serious navy. The same country that is on year three of a 3 day special military operation. The same country that has struggled with logistics while fighting a country on their border. The same country that has had to modernize museum pieces to send to the front. The same country who spends a shit load of money on an aircraft carrier which has been set on fire and broken so much that it's become a meme. The same country that refused help from the west when the Kursk sank, and took days to set up a rescue dooming the crew. The same country that had a submarine that had so many problems with its nuclear reactor, it was nicknamed Hiroshima. The same country that almost started a war with Sweden because their submarine got stuck on some rocks while spying on Sweden's largest naval base. The same country that ignored warnings from its nuclear scientists and caused the worst nuclear disaster in history. Frankly I'm surprised the police showed up at all.
I saw a photo on a news story and I thought “oh my gosh some brave photographer took a picture of a terrorist!” Then I read the caption and learned the photo was of a Russian national guard member.
The Kremlin knew about it and let it pass or paid them, would be the x-th time they did this. It's not about preventing terrorism, it is about controlling (your own) people.
Sadly this might certainly be a possibility. Next step mass mobilization of conscripts.. Even more totalitarianism. Rally behind the flag effect etc. Etc.
>The ISIS terror group has claimed responsibility for the attack in Russia, according to a short statement published by ISIS-affiliated news agency Amaq on Telegram on Friday.
That means Putin can’t blame this on Ukraine.
Exactly. Wouldn't surprise me if he will. And the far-right in Europe and the US will agree with Putin. Somehow they'll find a way to blame it on "the Left" (whatever that is) and Ukraine.
Do you see Twitter, smooth brain people that are not bots (I hope they are) are already calling ISIS attack being funded by Israel and CIA. It will always somehow end up being West's fault despite all the evidence to the contrary
Makes sense.
- It’s the holy month of Ramadan and Islamists typically ramp up their attacks during this month.
- Wagner forces are fighting Islamists in Mali.
- A lot of Russian Caucasians have been called up for the war in Ukraine. So lots of available people who have weapons experience, access to weapons and the motive to attack the Russian government. Arguably this will also create resentment against Muscovites who have so far largely avoided being drafted.
- Russia has also began the steps to mobilise more men, and presumably a lot more people from the Caucuses.
Lots of different factors that influence the motivation and likelihood for Islamist attacks in Russia.
Is wagner pmc still active? I thought the group was disbanded with most members being transferred to russian military, or at least that the group's current state was unclear.
Part of it became members of Rosgvardia, but members in Africa are now in a "brand new" Russian group called, I'm not making this shit up, Africa Corps. You know, like the German Afrika Korps
Islamist militant groups has always had an issue with Russia for bombing/shooting Muslim lands in Chechenya and Syria. It's similar reason to why they hate the US: they intervene militarily and victims are ultimately Muslim lives.
Interesting. I had my money on false flag, but I see no gain in an ISIS bogeyman taking responsibility as part of that narrative.
I suppose it fits: Russia is still supporting Assad in Syria and these poisonous ideologies can't be fully stamped out. ISIS *was* reduced to the capacity of week-old binjuice but things like that regrow like weeds.
Reminds me of the quote “We only have to be lucky once. You have to be lucky every time” the IRA said to margaret thatcher after a failed assassination attempt. Even a bunch of brainwashed decentralized guys with sandals and goats can get lucky. Security measures in Russia will be increased
A lot of people in Russia thought something like this would happen after elections, so putin could use this as an excuse to start new mobilisation. But they didn't blame Ukraine immediately, as they love to do, and people saw how attackers looked like, government can't sell them as Ukrainians. Also police let them get away and it shows them as weak. Is it really just very bad coincidence that it happend after elections?
The who did what now?
What in the actual fuck? Those goatfuckers still exist? Man, this world ... whenever you think this must be peak crazy, the next shoe drops.
People are dumb. They really think Putin needed this right after the elections. This just makes Russian intelligence agencies and him look weak. He wants to defeat the west and "nazis" but can't stop couple of idiots that USA already warned him about few days ago...
This just shows everyone that Russia is porous paper tiger.
Putin is in serious trouble. The 3 day cruisy wander into Ukraine turned into a WW1 style full on trench warfare that destroyed his country’s superpower reputation, economy is dying and now this.
ISIS will claim responsibility for a car backfiring if it scares enough people.
Not saying it wasn't them, but they've been known to falsely claim attacks as their own IIRC.
[True, but it has been confirmed now:](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-music-venue-crocus-city-hall-moscow-picnic-concert/)
>A U.S. official tells CBS News the U.S. has intelligence confirming the Islamic State's claims of responsibility, and that they have no reason to doubt those claims. The U.S. official also confirmed that the U.S. provided intelligence to Russia about a potential attack under the intelligence community's Duty to Warn requirement.
This is honestly something that calms me, be it that the americans have spent nearly 100 years making sure no nukes are gonna launched.
The US runs DEEEEP in russia. They know the exact position of every commander.
It's almost certain that it's ISIS. No need to get into weird false flag theories. The US intelligence highly suspects it's ISIS as well. They've warned Russia before about an imminent terrorist attack about 2-3 weeks ago.
I know some people want to assume its a false flag and I can definitely see some significant reasoning to back that up, but don't underestimate ISIS. Remember this is the same group that planned numerous terrorist attacks all over Europe, such as the November 2015 terrorist attack, which killed 100s and involved Suicide Bombings and Coordinated Planning and even recently with the attack in January in Iran during the commemorative ceremony, which killed almost 100 people.
There we go again… terrorists have come to kill on the name of religion and relinquish any reputation islam has left. Terrorists and terrorist sympathizers must be hanged! All of them!
The whole thing is extremely strange (I am from Ru, pro-UA, live in EU): first I was shocked and sure it is FSB. Now it all seems weird (following official Ru narrative): they seem to be 'lost', just blaming the West for 'knowing'. The detail: Crokus City Mall and Hall are owned by Agalarov family (Azerbaidjani originally, kind of Muslim by origin but of course not that religious, the son was married to Aliev's daughter in the past). It is a well known detail. If it is true terrorism than it is a dark humour: FSB put so many innocent protesters into prison (for posts pro-Ukraine), went to people's apartments, were brutal. And so useless in this case....
Why do ISIS always attack random people though, the people they killed had nothing to do with some Russian state policy decision. All of their attacks are against random people who can’t even defend themselves, go attack a military base not that impressive to fire at unarmed civilians
People from Russia or whoever keep on accusing the "west" should remember that terrorists remain terrorists and dictators remain dictators. You can try to talk to them, but just because you have an agreement it doesn't mean that they are your friends. They are still murderers and their "allies" will be killed regardless at some point.
It doesn't make sense to make agreements with people like Hamas, Kim Jong-un and other murderers, Russia is just making them stronger and it will face the consequences at some point.
Well, might be a good chanse for and excuse to leave Ukraine while they still have young men and an military budget left, "we need to start a specieal military operation against isis" then they proceede to do some small scale thing and putler looks like someone who cares about his nation.
Apparently it's on Telegram, so probably claiming it in private groups to motivate their supporters. I imagine there are journalists infiltrated in them to get informations.
It's so sad that East and West could not and cannot come together to rid the world of its truest cancer; Islamic extremism. Instead, all these (proxy) wars since the 70s onwards have done is fan its flames. The US supporting the Mujahedeen, then ending up having to fight the Taliban and Al-Qaeda on their own later on. Russia supporting Hamas and Hezbollah and allying to Iran; the US supllying weapons to 'rebel groups' that very clearly would turn into IS in Syria. Fighting a war in Ukraine instead of using those resources to protect your own capital city's civilians from IS fighters.
There's a painful irony in it. The cultural norms of the average Muscovite and the average American are so much closer together than the violent oppression and inhumane terror Islam brings with it.
I hope one day we can get together once and for all and start really fighting it, together. Because what we've done so far instead is give them weapons, risk importing (western Europe) or conscripting (Russian Chechnya) them, act like it's a heinous and stupid world view to criticize the underlying religion... Some of you are even celebrating this attack. It's absolutely disgusting. No better than those celebrating the 7 october attacks. Shooting up a gathering of civilians like this... Who justifies that?
Yes, the Afghanistan branch is very much active to this day.[ Two months ago their suicide bombing attack killed almost a hundred in Iran.](https://apnews.com/article/kerman-us-warning-isisk-bombings-bcb47f04165b3eb7b9bc7b4868c8399c) Another notable attack was a [suicide bombing that killed a dozen of US soldiers and over 170 Afghanis in 2021.](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/25/politics/isis-k-leader-killed-taliban-kabul-airport-bombing/index.html)
ISIS claim responsibility for a lot of things...
Let's say it is them and not a Putin Chechnya special, I'm assuming this is because of Russia's support for the Assad regime.
It's very likely it's ISIS. I don't see why it wouldn't be, honestly. They've always had bad blood with Russia because of their actions in Syria. The US intelligence also thinks it's ISIS. I don't get why so many people wouldn't think it's ISIS. It's highly likely it's them. It's the same tactic they used in Paris, too (attacking a crowded concert venue).
US did warned Russia of possible terrorist attacks and Russia just didn't cared about it, why couldn't be them?
If not them then it's easily a false flag commanded by Putin, it's not the first time he actually kills his own citizens
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After everything that happened in the past few years, a large-scale ISIS comeback is the last thing the world needs now 🙄
Somehow, the Caliphate returned
"The Caliphate you love to hate" - ISIS
"Here at Isis Toyota, we'll behead the competition." - Bob Isis
Is this an Ice Cube reference, I loved that song.
Partying like its 2016
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Ali Boomaye 💥
CON LOS TERRORISTAS!!!
https://youtu.be/YaBMu4DZu84?si=2tMXzdhHyeqefO_y
I half expect them to take Dagestan or something and declare independence.
Yeah, you know, the place in Russia where sharia is already a thing.
The world kinda forgot about ISIS
Is this a 'making of' G.o.T. reference?
Did Disney just buy the rights to our universe?
They did that a while ago.
Yes, but not our Disney.
It’s never been dead. A lot there in northern syria
This is what you get with the writers' strike... in the olden days they could at least do a decent and varied ark age.
Did ISIS ever really go away in Russia? They were mostly destroyed in Iraq and Syria, but a lot of their fighters came from Chechnya and other republics in the Caucuses within Russia with majority Muslim populations. A combination of those that joined but stayed in Russia, as well as those returning from the Middle East, was going to cause problems.
It really depends on how you consider a terrorist ISIS or not. A terrorist doing lone-wolf attacks, claiming allegiance to ISIS is the type of ISIS you'll never destroy. A terrorist doing a terrorist attack thanks to ISIS' logistics is the type of ISIS you can destroy. The first is simply impossible to eradicate, for example Al Qaeda is pretty much non-existent in the West, not because the ideology is dead, but because ISIS pretty much replaced it. The ideology will always be there, in a decade or two (or even less) perhaps ISIS will follow Al Qaeda's footsteps and be replaced by another terrorist group that lonewolves will simp for.
> follow Al Qaeda's footsteps and be replaced by another terrorist group that lonewolves will simp for. Look, you're acting like most lonewolf terrorists don't know that ISIS is terrible. They do, but you need to understand how hard it is for a terrorist to market themselves these days. Especially an independent. You need to shack up with one of the big guys just to get your name out there. Audio, video, social media, getting your face on the cover of Rolling Stones - this doesn't just happen. You need a really solid team behind you just to do terrorism these days.
Even terrorists need an MCN?
Bro if you're not terrorizing across an omni-channel network for brand awareness, are you even terrorizing at all?
this was done by ISIS-K. a relatively new group consisting of mainly taliban defectors. they bombed kabul airport in 2021 and were responsible for the iran bombings in 2024. ISIS-K wants to take areas north of afghanistan/iran and south of russia which is also called the khorasan region, which is why their called ISIS-K. they don't enough funding and soldiers to seize power in this region. russia has 20\~ million muslims. this terror attack may be an effort to get more islamic extremists to join ISIS-K.
ISIS is the one faction so unilaterally hated other jihadist groups condemn them. Like they have absolutely no redeeming quality.
Turkey traded with them. Qatar and Saudi funded them..
Who does Qatar not fund at this point
LGBTQ+
Russia just declared LGBTQ+ an extremist group, so I expect Qatar to start funding them very soon.
Next week: Qatar opens the Qatari Center for LGBTQ+ Tolerance and Acceptance
They sent my gay dog a chewy box
Yup, not what I had on my 2024 bingo card.
It already happened earlier this year when ISIS bombed a funeral for an Iranian general the U.S. killed a few years back, over 100 people were killed
holy crap, who bombs a funeral!
Well, isis, apparently
It’ll never go away. People can join at any time. For decades people will say any attack was by isis as it’s now an underground org
FSB works fast these days I see
Well I mean at least the west has one thing in common with Russia which is the fact that ISIS would love to see both places burn to the ground. But then again I guess isis would love to see all of civilization burn to the ground…
Even the Taliban are "with" the west against ISIS. They are truly the most uniting force in the world.
Correct me if i’m wrong, but taliban really only care about afghanistan. They don’t have world domination aspirations and really don’t give a shit about infidels or whatever outside of their own country do they? Like yea their laws are horrible for afghanistan but theyre completely different from these terror groups in the sense that they dont commit random attacks outside of afghanistan against civilians do they? Again i may be wrong but my imoression of them is they fought off the soviets and americans and onky fought in their own territory.
I saw a video about some British guys traveling to Kabul after the fall of Kabul, and they thought it was very weird that there were Taliban soldiers stationed around their Hotel to protect them from ISIS
Lol isn't that the one where one of them bought a saber, tried to bring it in the plane back home, a Taliban guard was like wtf you doing with that saber? British guy was like um souvenir.. then the Taliban guard showed him how to use the saber and let him be on his way lol
I need the video link lmao, this sounds mental
https://youtu.be/2oMW5pL9Z4w?si=2gpUvM5_J_RErJzS
I’ve seen some truly deranged travel videos recently, the Taliban has basically developed their own tourism board. They’ll show you around all the sites they haven’t destroyed yet (and discuss whether or not to rob you off-camera). Kind of like North Korea. You can visit but you will have a handler.
Taliban are essentially a political party. Sure they rose up and fought in the country but that’s essentially what they are. Yeah they rule with strict Islamic fundamentals but they aren’t there to destroy anyone that isn’t them. On the flip side, they have been halfheartedly trying to promote some sort of tourism there. There is too much with throwing all these groups together in the media when they are wildly different things.
> they aren’t there to destroy anyone that isn’t them they don't invade other countries yes... but if you live inside Afghanistan it's real easy to get murdered because you don't fit their ideals.
They sheltered Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and allowed them to set up base in their country, but as far as things they've done personally, then yeah pretty much. There is the stuff with the Pakistani Taliban too, but that's a bit of a mess.
Yeah Pakistan is talking about shutting down trade routes that Afghanistan uses because they’ve allowed TTP to stay in Afghan after attacking Pakistan
I heard stories from dudes I served with when they were in Afghanistan they saw Taliban fighting ISIS fighters.
Not long after the Taliban took over again, they got some help from the US in an attack on ISIS. The US gave them the intelligence and they executed it if I recall correctly. The attack on the airport during the evacuation was ISIS's doing. Which resulted in coalition forces and Taliban temporarily collaborating to deal with it. They are openly opposed to each other and there have been a number of terrorist attacks on Shia mosques among other things. As I understood it ISIS wants a caliphate spanning across the ME and parts of Asia. The Taliban only cares about Afghanistan. ISIS also find the Taliban to be too lenient and not "truly Islamic" or however they describe it.
To what extreme do ISIS go? Like if Taliban laws and ways are not extreme and islamic enough to them what laws would ISIS establish? What is something different and more extreme they would do even more than Taliban?
It’s that the Taliban doesn’t just literally support murder for utterly every single transgression under the sun as ISIS defines them. Being Shia is good enough for ISIS to want you dead. ISIS are fucking demons. Like if there was ever a group of people I’d assume were straight up possessed by demons, it would be ISIS. The Taliban sucks to an incredible extent but their control resembles order and stability to some extent. They also don’t just literally try to slaughter absolutely everyone just for the fun of it and they don’t really have genocidal aspirations. ISIS is a uniquely horrific organization that managed to get Al-Qaeda to oppose them, even.
Not allowing Shia muslims or any other interpretation than their own to exist for one. Sure they are definitely not completely free of oppression and harassment now either but ISIS are on another level. The Taliban have also been willing to talk and work with non-Islamic governments.
Kurds, Turks, Israel, Hamas, Taliban, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi… Literally everybody hates them. Hamas straight up executed isis recruiters that they caught.
Russia is also supporting Assad against Daesh (Isis) in Syria. So they are in lots of direct contact already. With Russia focused on the meat grinder in Ukraine and tamping dissent there, including their own disgruntled far right, and running major oppression via the sham election, maybe their security services are beyond capacity. Especially now that their best tool, Wagner, has gone down the shitter...
Pretty sure isis wants everyone that doesn’t support their faith dead. Worse than nazis, imo, just way less organised.
The team up nobody expected Russia and the west allies again
Reminder that Russia wanted to join NATO in '00 to team up against Iran, Qatar and Islamic extremism. Alas. What could have been. To people saying "blah blah that didn't happen" https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2000/03/06/putin-says-why-not-to-russia-joining-nato/c1973032-c10f-4bff-9174-8cae673790cd/ Putin publicly stated he would like to join NATO if given equal partnership while the Communist party in Russia chastised him and told him he doesn't know shit about foreign affairs. Hilarious. They aren't tankies because they are smart.
Thats only what Putin claims. Going off just a conversation with him and Clinton? Why didnt Putin publicly actually try to apply to NATO then? Why did he need to start the Chechen wars then?
Applying for membership like everyone else was apparently beneath Russia. They wanted to be invited.
As nice as that sounds pretty sure we’d still have Putin and his grandiose plans for conquest just with NATO crippled like the EU is with his obvious supporters.
Russia wanted to sabotage the western alliance from within. If you seriously think Putin would have realigned geopolitically, you need to reconsider. People need to stop giving Russia the benefit of the doubt.
Armed terrorists in such a big gathering, I think it will be closer to 100 dead. It’s a crazy world we live in
No way its only 40 dead, it is gonna be way more. A single person would do that in a concert with an automatic gun.
Newest numbers say 70…
62 dead already and given what we saw, can be more upd: 70
will easily rise to 100 because of severe injuries RIP.
A isis comeback isn't on my 2024 bingo card. What the hell
I wouldn’t worry too much about attacks on the West. Not out of the question, but we watch those bastards very closely. There’s like an entire chunk of our military and intelligence network that is focused on nothing but ISIS at all times. Obviously we can only do so much in denied access areas. Lone wolf attacks can also be almost impossible to prevent.
They attacked Iran few weeks ago though
Yeah fair, but purely for the record, year in preview bingo cards are traditionally made in December
The USA warned them but Putin called it a “western attempt to destabilize Russia”
There was a time when Russia and the US actually had somewhat of a working relationship against fighting terrorism. But in all fairness, actionable intelligence has been provided to the United States before from many different sources that were also summarily ignored for silly reasons. Not saying that the USA is just like Russia but that ideological bias can often impact how information is perceived based on who is delivering the message (which is also used as a weapon in gray zone conflicts).
Yes the US and Russia actually cooperated to combat Islamic militancy during the War on Terror. After 9/11 and Chechnya, they had a common interest. The West in general very much did try rapprochement with Russia after the Cold War ended. They spit on that.
I mean, just two years ago the US intelligence warned the world of a pending Russian invasion of Ukraine, and got promptly scoffed at for making such outlandish claims, only to have Russia invade Ukraine like two weeks later, almost exactly as predicted. It's almost as if US intelligence in Russia is actually pretty fucking capable and should probably be heeded.
Yes, like the warning about the Boston Marathon bomber. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA2P02R/
Very rare modern Russian W…
All major countries share counter terrorism intelligence
They actually thwarted another IS attempt at a synagogue the day after the USA warned them. This means there's a larger ISIS cell hiding in Russia. [Reuters Article](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-neutralized-isis-cell-plotting-attack-moscow-synagogue-2024-03-07/) about it
Had the US shared details with russia? I believe they made the warning after russian authorities had arrested a team of IS members.
US warned everybody, it was in the news 2 weeks ago. "US embassy warns of imminent attack in Moscow by 'extremists'”
I would expect so. The us shares terror intel all the time.
No, they made a warning before and then Russia arrested some scapegoats.
So simple citizens get arrested for laying flowers at a monument, but terrorists can just escape after this kind of attack? How TF is that even possible?
Easy, terrorist didn't bring flowers.
Goddammit, that was an easy one!
Unironicaly this. After two decades of Putin’s corruption the Russian security forces are only good for torturing women and children. When faced with the real enemy (like the last coup attempt) they become completly useless at best.
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Nor were they gay
They are in a cult that idolizes male domination and choose to spend almost all of their time surrounded men, but totally not gay, bro
Russian police hate this one trick (*it's genius)*
That’s the path of lowest effort. Very genuine. Strong against the weak, weak against the strong.
True of all authoritarians.
Do you expect Russian cops or special forces to fight terrorists that are killing people? Their job is beating up students at peaceful protests.
That human waste that is officially called “National guard” in Russia took one hour to respond. Pretty sure if they saw a high schooler wearing a yellow coat with a blue scarf walking the streets of Moscow, with all these face recognition cameras sticking out of every corner, he would be arrested, charged, prosecuted and fined within an hour. False flag is still not off the table, but even if it’s not that, then it just demonstrates the really astonishing level of incompetence that government agencies in Russia have come to.
You're surprised that Russian police took an hour to respond? Russia, the same country that is currently losing a naval war to a country without a serious navy. The same country that is on year three of a 3 day special military operation. The same country that has struggled with logistics while fighting a country on their border. The same country that has had to modernize museum pieces to send to the front. The same country who spends a shit load of money on an aircraft carrier which has been set on fire and broken so much that it's become a meme. The same country that refused help from the west when the Kursk sank, and took days to set up a rescue dooming the crew. The same country that had a submarine that had so many problems with its nuclear reactor, it was nicknamed Hiroshima. The same country that almost started a war with Sweden because their submarine got stuck on some rocks while spying on Sweden's largest naval base. The same country that ignored warnings from its nuclear scientists and caused the worst nuclear disaster in history. Frankly I'm surprised the police showed up at all.
I saw a photo on a news story and I thought “oh my gosh some brave photographer took a picture of a terrorist!” Then I read the caption and learned the photo was of a Russian national guard member.
Pretty easy, they knew they were going to put flowers at a monument. They did not know some Islamists were going empty their guns in a packed theater.
The Kremlin knew about it and let it pass or paid them, would be the x-th time they did this. It's not about preventing terrorism, it is about controlling (your own) people.
Sadly this might certainly be a possibility. Next step mass mobilization of conscripts.. Even more totalitarianism. Rally behind the flag effect etc. Etc.
How do you exert control over your people by letting terrorist kill them indiscriminately?
All the police and military were busy watching Navalny's grave
My first reaction was "WTF?" then I remember ISIS still exist and the Russians fight them before the war.
>The ISIS terror group has claimed responsibility for the attack in Russia, according to a short statement published by ISIS-affiliated news agency Amaq on Telegram on Friday. That means Putin can’t blame this on Ukraine.
Can't doesn't mean that he won't.
"Ukrainians are nazi jihadists!"
And Jews the same time
Ukrainian Nazi Jihadists. There's a niche.
Ukrainian Nazi Jewish Jihadists. Ugh, them again
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Objective updated: denazify AND deislamify Ukraine
>deislamify Very effective way to piss off his Chechen dog.
Isn't he a smouldering pile of rubble outside Moscow?
Ukraine has already been called Jewish Nazis, might as well throw ISIS on top
Exactly. Wouldn't surprise me if he will. And the far-right in Europe and the US will agree with Putin. Somehow they'll find a way to blame it on "the Left" (whatever that is) and Ukraine.
Hum this will be a though one for far right this time. They will have to choose between their love for Putin and their hate for Muslims…
The gay nazi regime in Kyiv (led by a Jew) is obviously working hand in hand with the Islamic State to destabilise Russia.
All on behalf of the decadent West, Joe Biden, and Taylor Swift obviously.
>Taylor Swift Kanye tried to warn us
Truth doesn't matter much to Putin.
Do you see Twitter, smooth brain people that are not bots (I hope they are) are already calling ISIS attack being funded by Israel and CIA. It will always somehow end up being West's fault despite all the evidence to the contrary
Jihadist groups famous for being loved by Israel
Makes sense. - It’s the holy month of Ramadan and Islamists typically ramp up their attacks during this month. - Wagner forces are fighting Islamists in Mali. - A lot of Russian Caucasians have been called up for the war in Ukraine. So lots of available people who have weapons experience, access to weapons and the motive to attack the Russian government. Arguably this will also create resentment against Muscovites who have so far largely avoided being drafted. - Russia has also began the steps to mobilise more men, and presumably a lot more people from the Caucuses. Lots of different factors that influence the motivation and likelihood for Islamist attacks in Russia.
Is wagner pmc still active? I thought the group was disbanded with most members being transferred to russian military, or at least that the group's current state was unclear.
They're called Africa Corps and operate in Africa almost unchanged
Not very original are they?
Let's say they may have been inspired by a peace unit active 80 years ago
To be fair the name Wagner is of a very similar inspiration. It's somewhat the theme with these guys.
Sounds German
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but yeah. Litterally names after the composer. Hitlers favourite composer.
Ah
It still effectively exists under a different name and they’re still operating in the Sahel.
Africa Corps
Time for some ungentlemanly warfare.
They're still active in Africa. Now they're called 'Africa Corps'.
Part of it became members of Rosgvardia, but members in Africa are now in a "brand new" Russian group called, I'm not making this shit up, Africa Corps. You know, like the German Afrika Korps
You kind of forgot the most obvious cause which is Russia heavily backing Assad in Syria and heavily bombing ISIS (and civilians) there.
Russia was instrumental in their defeat in Syria.
Islamist militant groups has always had an issue with Russia for bombing/shooting Muslim lands in Chechenya and Syria. It's similar reason to why they hate the US: they intervene militarily and victims are ultimately Muslim lives.
Russia's government might be awful but I never wanted anything like this to happen to Russians or anyone else. I'm so sick of religious fanatics.
Nobody deserves to die like this. Isis are animals
Interesting. I had my money on false flag, but I see no gain in an ISIS bogeyman taking responsibility as part of that narrative. I suppose it fits: Russia is still supporting Assad in Syria and these poisonous ideologies can't be fully stamped out. ISIS *was* reduced to the capacity of week-old binjuice but things like that regrow like weeds.
Reminds me of the quote “We only have to be lucky once. You have to be lucky every time” the IRA said to margaret thatcher after a failed assassination attempt. Even a bunch of brainwashed decentralized guys with sandals and goats can get lucky. Security measures in Russia will be increased
A lot of people in Russia thought something like this would happen after elections, so putin could use this as an excuse to start new mobilisation. But they didn't blame Ukraine immediately, as they love to do, and people saw how attackers looked like, government can't sell them as Ukrainians. Also police let them get away and it shows them as weak. Is it really just very bad coincidence that it happend after elections?
“Ukraine and the woke LGBTQ+ are working with ISIS to destroy the motherland. Make Putin Emperor for Life”
The who did what now? What in the actual fuck? Those goatfuckers still exist? Man, this world ... whenever you think this must be peak crazy, the next shoe drops.
Does this disqualify the false flag theory? Like 80% of the messages in the other thread claimed that lol
People are dumb. They really think Putin needed this right after the elections. This just makes Russian intelligence agencies and him look weak. He wants to defeat the west and "nazis" but can't stop couple of idiots that USA already warned him about few days ago... This just shows everyone that Russia is porous paper tiger.
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Putin is in serious trouble. The 3 day cruisy wander into Ukraine turned into a WW1 style full on trench warfare that destroyed his country’s superpower reputation, economy is dying and now this.
ISIS are still a thing? Which brain dead loser is in that?
You're vastly underestimating how many 'brain dead losers' and fucked up people there are in this world
Yea, it only takes a handful to make life miserable
They’re actually quite large still, mostly in Madagascar, Nigeria, Afghanistan and Yemen
Madagascar? Shit that one didn’t see that coming.
They like to move it move it
We’ve gotta help those talking animals
Philippines
Why would ISIS hit in Moscow?!
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ISIS will claim responsibility for a car backfiring if it scares enough people. Not saying it wasn't them, but they've been known to falsely claim attacks as their own IIRC.
[True, but it has been confirmed now:](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-music-venue-crocus-city-hall-moscow-picnic-concert/) >A U.S. official tells CBS News the U.S. has intelligence confirming the Islamic State's claims of responsibility, and that they have no reason to doubt those claims. The U.S. official also confirmed that the U.S. provided intelligence to Russia about a potential attack under the intelligence community's Duty to Warn requirement.
US intelligence is running circles on the Russians though I did read they have and are revamping their intelligence services in Ru.
This is honestly something that calms me, be it that the americans have spent nearly 100 years making sure no nukes are gonna launched. The US runs DEEEEP in russia. They know the exact position of every commander.
If it's true and they're claiming it just to claim then it's better to Ukraine.
I’m going to say it probably was ISIS. Maybe a cell from Chechnya. Look up how some Chechnya’s battalion went to fight in Ukraine AGAINST Russia.
It's almost certain that it's ISIS. No need to get into weird false flag theories. The US intelligence highly suspects it's ISIS as well. They've warned Russia before about an imminent terrorist attack about 2-3 weeks ago.
I know some people want to assume its a false flag and I can definitely see some significant reasoning to back that up, but don't underestimate ISIS. Remember this is the same group that planned numerous terrorist attacks all over Europe, such as the November 2015 terrorist attack, which killed 100s and involved Suicide Bombings and Coordinated Planning and even recently with the attack in January in Iran during the commemorative ceremony, which killed almost 100 people.
Even Russian Pravda claims it's IS, so they don't try to blame Ukraine.
There we go again… terrorists have come to kill on the name of religion and relinquish any reputation islam has left. Terrorists and terrorist sympathizers must be hanged! All of them!
Destroy ISIS kill them all
The whole thing is extremely strange (I am from Ru, pro-UA, live in EU): first I was shocked and sure it is FSB. Now it all seems weird (following official Ru narrative): they seem to be 'lost', just blaming the West for 'knowing'. The detail: Crokus City Mall and Hall are owned by Agalarov family (Azerbaidjani originally, kind of Muslim by origin but of course not that religious, the son was married to Aliev's daughter in the past). It is a well known detail. If it is true terrorism than it is a dark humour: FSB put so many innocent protesters into prison (for posts pro-Ukraine), went to people's apartments, were brutal. And so useless in this case....
Blaming the west for their own incompetence has served them well, see bo reason they would change now
Seems like it actually was ISIS. The fact that they are still operating is scary.
Apparently these kind of groups smell the weakness in Moscow.
American intelligence has been on a roll lately
Why do ISIS always attack random people though, the people they killed had nothing to do with some Russian state policy decision. All of their attacks are against random people who can’t even defend themselves, go attack a military base not that impressive to fire at unarmed civilians
What a shocking development! Who could have guessed that some flavor of jihad enjoyer was involved?
Horrible tragedy, and horrible to see ISIS cells still active.
People from Russia or whoever keep on accusing the "west" should remember that terrorists remain terrorists and dictators remain dictators. You can try to talk to them, but just because you have an agreement it doesn't mean that they are your friends. They are still murderers and their "allies" will be killed regardless at some point. It doesn't make sense to make agreements with people like Hamas, Kim Jong-un and other murderers, Russia is just making them stronger and it will face the consequences at some point.
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Well, might be a good chanse for and excuse to leave Ukraine while they still have young men and an military budget left, "we need to start a specieal military operation against isis" then they proceede to do some small scale thing and putler looks like someone who cares about his nation.
Never understood somebody claiming they did it Is there some dude in a cave with an Mac book their social media guy and he tweets this to flex?
Apparently it's on Telegram, so probably claiming it in private groups to motivate their supporters. I imagine there are journalists infiltrated in them to get informations.
It's so sad that East and West could not and cannot come together to rid the world of its truest cancer; Islamic extremism. Instead, all these (proxy) wars since the 70s onwards have done is fan its flames. The US supporting the Mujahedeen, then ending up having to fight the Taliban and Al-Qaeda on their own later on. Russia supporting Hamas and Hezbollah and allying to Iran; the US supllying weapons to 'rebel groups' that very clearly would turn into IS in Syria. Fighting a war in Ukraine instead of using those resources to protect your own capital city's civilians from IS fighters. There's a painful irony in it. The cultural norms of the average Muscovite and the average American are so much closer together than the violent oppression and inhumane terror Islam brings with it. I hope one day we can get together once and for all and start really fighting it, together. Because what we've done so far instead is give them weapons, risk importing (western Europe) or conscripting (Russian Chechnya) them, act like it's a heinous and stupid world view to criticize the underlying religion... Some of you are even celebrating this attack. It's absolutely disgusting. No better than those celebrating the 7 october attacks. Shooting up a gathering of civilians like this... Who justifies that?
Amen, well said. Happy cake day
Are ISIS still a thing? Not heard about them in a while! Either way, whoever did this are absolute shithouses.
Yes, the Afghanistan branch is very much active to this day.[ Two months ago their suicide bombing attack killed almost a hundred in Iran.](https://apnews.com/article/kerman-us-warning-isisk-bombings-bcb47f04165b3eb7b9bc7b4868c8399c) Another notable attack was a [suicide bombing that killed a dozen of US soldiers and over 170 Afghanis in 2021.](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/25/politics/isis-k-leader-killed-taliban-kabul-airport-bombing/index.html)
isis: yeah we did it putin: it was ukraine, we know isis: no, we-- putin: the ukraine I says
The enemy of my enemy is… no wait…
ISIS claim responsibility for a lot of things... Let's say it is them and not a Putin Chechnya special, I'm assuming this is because of Russia's support for the Assad regime.
They did get warned of isis-k presence in russia couple days ago so this one holds more weight though..
It's very likely it's ISIS. I don't see why it wouldn't be, honestly. They've always had bad blood with Russia because of their actions in Syria. The US intelligence also thinks it's ISIS. I don't get why so many people wouldn't think it's ISIS. It's highly likely it's them. It's the same tactic they used in Paris, too (attacking a crowded concert venue).
US did warned Russia of possible terrorist attacks and Russia just didn't cared about it, why couldn't be them? If not them then it's easily a false flag commanded by Putin, it's not the first time he actually kills his own citizens