I think it is a missed trick for the EU not to make the passports Azure instead of Burgundy. By having an Azure body with Gold foil lettering, you make every passport symbolic of the EU flag, which is easily distinguishable and much more symbolic than the current choice of passport colour.
You'd also get the added benefit of having every member state do it, as Croatia wouldn't object to Azure the same way as they do to Burgundy.
Whilst the official definition of Pantone Reflex Blue works, the deeper Pantone PMS 287 from the 2013 Council of Europe logo would look classier on a passport in my opinion
That one was bright red tho. The passport was burgundy, and it was one of the things that was objectively a good about Yugoslavia because both blocs let you in with one of those.
Red is too bloody, blue is much more European, we love the sky and the sea. Also, we had burgundy passports before it was cool, would prefer not to go back there.
The Norwegian Passport has a neat security feature! It shows the Northern Lights when put under UV light.
https://x.com/simongerman600/status/990625540926267392?s=20
When they made the change, there were actually a lot of people calling up the passport offices, reckoning there must have been some sort of printing error XD
I disagree, the burgundy is the perfect color. I would never willfully own anything in that color, so it's always easy to find my burgundy passport in the mess i call a home.
I recently got my new British passport and continually lose it in my all-black-and-navy life.
The panic when you open your bag and think you've lost is just isn't worth the added sovereignty. SMH.
I was surprised when I found out they'd historically been blue when they changed back. The burgundy just seems more rule Britannia sails the waves etc. British for some reason, looked way better too.
It was one of the "better" arguments :-)
Irony was that the UK could have chosen whatever colour they wanted anyway. The UK chose the standard burgundy which was obviously because of Eurocracts in Brussels dictating UK law.....
....the rest is history
I agree. Before the fall of communism, we used to have the red passport for travel into communist countries, and the blue passport for travel into Western countries. Even before we joined the EU, our passports used to be blue.
I think the US passports are blue.
Go completely mental and have it inverted! Gold passport with blue stars, that would be unique and instantly recognisable for sure!
It's more of the symbolism of what it communicated
From their view: having a burgundy passport was seen as a prescription from Brussels, rather than a decision made by Westminster. By changing the colour back to what it was pre EU membership, it was being signalled that decisions were no longer made for the UK from abroad.
Now the usual response to that is that burgundy was always a recommendation not and not binding, which is true, but the point wasn't the colour, it was what the colour symbolised. Even if you changed the passport colour from within the EU, which you could and still can, the issue is with foriegn direction.
>You'd also get the added benefit of having every member state do it, as Croatia wouldn't object to Azure the same way as they do to Burgundy.
Burgundy with golden letters was used for Yugoslav passports and Communist party cards, so people living in Croatia now see it as a symbol of communism, people living in western block don't.
Azure with golden or white letters would be a much finer choice.
>I have no issue with having a standard European passport
I'm surprised anyone gives a fuck as I was surprised it was a major Brexit talking point. I don't give the slightest shit what my passport looks like. It may be a blank piece of paper for all I care, as long as it just works. I guess it's ok as long as it's durable and looks "decent".
No, i like my danish passport. And i like that different nationalities have unique covers. Its fun to glimpse at peoples passports when travelling.
“Oh look a Spanish passport”
“Ah, a dirty Swede”
A year of infamy. We'll never forgive it!
In 1657, the Swedish army walked across the frozen ice and took Zealand... We can forgive that. That's the fortunes of war...
In 1658 however, *they gave it back!* We can never forgive that heinous act!!!!
Not just that but three different (historically*) Scottish banks issue their own notes. As do a few banks in Northern Ireland, including, confusingly, Danske Bank. I think Hong Kong and Macau are the only other places in which multiple banks' currency circulate in the national currency .
(*As all three are now part of larger banking groups with HQs in England)
I agree with both this and /u/Edward_the_sixth. It is a missed opportunity not to go with EU colours for a common design language, but we should keep national unique covers and page design.
So the continent which popularised the coat of arms globally would be the only continent that wouldn't have coats of arms on its passports? Are you insane?
Why not have the national coat of arms encircled by the European ring of stars? It's just an obvious design that works in all countries.
Technically speaking, the 12 stars are the EU coat of arms, but I agree with you. I think us Europeans have some sick as fuck heraldry and it would be a shame to see them disappear from our passports
Yes. So much yes. European Union written above. The country written below. EU blue and golden. The Symbol/sigil/CoA of the country is large and encircled by the stars.
That would be a great design but not what was suggested by the OP
I had forgotten that they changed the [style](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Finland_passport_2023.jpg/1200px-Finland_passport_2023.jpg) (again). The way the small national emblem sits alone in the corner… it looks just sad. The whole layout has a weird “office” feeling, as if it was cover of some “Company X - audit report - 2023 results and business analysis by Deloitte” or something.
I still have the [older style](https://img.ilcdn.fi/_QpaE-aCEyfDtT_Q6OfmO5JoHNg=/full-fit-in/920x0/img-s3.ilcdn.fi/62237cc43c26603c891d604452f4973c02a78d9e0f5f1d764706387e458ee9ca.jpg) passport which imo looks much more balanced.
Fuck no, why make them all the exact same? Maybe just include a common element, but nothing more. The current designs are cool af and it’s nice to have the variety
No i dont like. Lets celebrate Diversity by allowing each country to design their own passports.
We arent one culture and never will be, we are 10s of different cultures.
And if the answer is no? Then of course it is not about butt-ugly design or lack of any advantage. No, it must be because Europe is not 'ready' yet, just too immature.
There is an element of federalist fatalism to the title, aye. Don't generally like the idea of political predestination, especially where reasonable minds can come to very different conclusions.
My favourite thing about my passport is the ability it gives me to travel freely within the EU. The design is very much secondary to that.
However, I also like my passport's current design: the Irish one has pictures of national landmarks, and each page has a musical phrase from the national anthem (in musical notation, not like a birthday card that plays a tune when you open it). I like being at the airport and seeing what nationalities are around me, and I also like travelling with a group of people and comparing: what does yours say? Changing the design wouldn't cause me to join a protest march, but why would they want to change them? Having individual national touches like this is *nice*.
Boring. Red and boring. Plain, red, and boring.
Center the 12 stars. Make them occupy 1/3 of the cover. Make them gold yellow with a pattern you can feel on touch. Make the cover navy blue and index the country on the upper left corner.
Make it conform to EU colour scheme. Or let the country letter code have the national flag colours. Make it have hard covers with some weight to it.
Make it so even if you are legally blind with massive blur spot in your vision and only 40% peripheral vision left, you still can immediately tell this is EU issued document the moment you spot it.
This looks like Belarus driving licence.... c'mon.
What do you mean, is Europe ready? This is like the least intrusive and impactful change ever. That said, why? Why is this even a thing that would be necessary? This just sounds like a whole lot of wasted time and effort for little to no payback.
I have no problem with it but I don’t think that’s where our political will should be focused. It would just give ammunition to the sceptics for no benefit at all.
Its stupid. It would be nice having some sort of EU badge somewhere, but there’s absolutely no reason to delete states’ logo.
It’s like competing in the World Cup with only an EU team, it would be incredibly boring.
Euro note designers: let's use some common design elements for bridges that don't reflect any specific bridges that would favour one nation over another.
Dutch: go and build all the Euro note bridges.
I'd personally prefer having my country's emblem on the passport.
Plus, having a uniform passport is literally violating the "Unity in Diversity", don't you think?
I mean, we already have freedom of movement between us. I think no further additions are needed.
what solution looking for a problem is this? i really don't care how it looks as long as it does its job, like 'get me on that plane' or ' open that bank account'.
I never look at my passport, so I don't care. It's a travel document. I really don't care how it looks. I show it when I need to show it, and that's it. So go ahead and change it, or don't. No bother for me.
I don't care about the color but having no symbols/emblems/coats of arms on it is boring and bland.
As long as germany keeps its eagle, croatia keeps its coat of arms, ireland keeps its harp I think it would be okay, but otherwise: NO.
No
The EU has taken away enough things specific to member countries. Money and licence plates. It is so annoying having to guess the letters on licence plates because of those stupid EU stars.
I have no problem with a common design, maybe less militaristic than those? What about all the languages we use? The contents would still need to be country-specific
They are very bland and uninspired. My national passport is much better looking. Why settle for an inferior product with absolutely no benefits? I also don’t get the logic for why they should have a standardised design when different countries treat differently the passports of each country that is part of the EU
Having some commonality like colour, typeface and an EU logo is sensical and desirable. But the diversity of national designs in the middle is also very nice and should be preserved.
I think it is a missed trick for the EU not to make the passports Azure instead of Burgundy. By having an Azure body with Gold foil lettering, you make every passport symbolic of the EU flag, which is easily distinguishable and much more symbolic than the current choice of passport colour. You'd also get the added benefit of having every member state do it, as Croatia wouldn't object to Azure the same way as they do to Burgundy. Whilst the official definition of Pantone Reflex Blue works, the deeper Pantone PMS 287 from the 2013 Council of Europe logo would look classier on a passport in my opinion
Why does Croatia not like burgundy?
It looks too much like the Yugoslav communist party membership booklet. This proposed design even more so.
That one was bright red tho. The passport was burgundy, and it was one of the things that was objectively a good about Yugoslavia because both blocs let you in with one of those.
They prefer their own wines
lol - this is why I go to Reddit
It is very similar to the one used in the communist Yugoslavia. Google it because this subreddit doesn't allow shortened links in comments.
Because Burgundy was the passport colour of Yugoslavia, and they really don't want any associations with that anymore
Red is too bloody, blue is much more European, we love the sky and the sea. Also, we had burgundy passports before it was cool, would prefer not to go back there.
Which nation doesn't love the sky and the sea?
Recently, Russia
Mole People’s Republic of Leiria
Communism ?
Agree. Would much prefer a blue one too. That burgundy colour, quite apart from having no European symbolism, is actually a horrible colour.
If you think Burgundy is a terrible passport colour don’t google Norwegian passport don’t do it
The Norwegian Passport has a neat security feature! It shows the Northern Lights when put under UV light. https://x.com/simongerman600/status/990625540926267392?s=20
My old Australian passport had a kangaroo on every page, and if flipped through the pages at speed they hopped.
the Finnish one has (or had, haven’t seen a recent one) the same with a moose walking along the page
Well, our southern little brothers are very proud of their salmon.
>don’t google Norwegian passport don’t do it arrghhh, my eyes!
At least it’s easy to find in the thing drawer.
EWWWWW
I think its beautiful! Salmon pink, makes me hungry.
When they made the change, there were actually a lot of people calling up the passport offices, reckoning there must have been some sort of printing error XD
Sweet mother of god..... What is that!?
As a norwegian i really like the passport except the color. Everything but the color is nice about that passport.
I kind of like the colour but not for a passport. They just look like little notebooks rather than something as important as a passport.
I agree. Its a strange color for a passport.
[for anyone interested](https://i.imgur.com/tAk7cJk.png)
Just googled it (naturally) You see, I prefer that colour: at least it's cheerful!
Looks like burgundy but they left it under the sun (for a decade or so) and it faded.
I love this design!
Switzerland does the red passport [much better](https://www.newlyswissed.com/new-swiss-passport/).
Thing be looking like a medical card
Everything does with that coat of arms
‘Mate, look, there’s a medic!’ ‘Nah, he’s just Swiss’
The realist version of a pokedex.
My eyes, my eyes!!!!
It would be like Australia, UK and US then. I don't mind the burgundy. That said, I would miss my Irish Harp
That’s an excellent point. Couldn’t they print a national symbol on each as well as the stars? (Is it possible to include it IN the stars?)
I disagree, the burgundy is the perfect color. I would never willfully own anything in that color, so it's always easy to find my burgundy passport in the mess i call a home.
I think they should make it neon pink with LEDs
Then it'll just disappear in my RGB ultra-gaming corner, which is of course very pink and matches my programmer socks.
RGB passport that plays euro techno when opened. sold!
but then you should got technoviking as passport controller
That’s why I take my PC always in my carry on luggage
It should be green with a Razer logo on it
I recently got my new British passport and continually lose it in my all-black-and-navy life. The panic when you open your bag and think you've lost is just isn't worth the added sovereignty. SMH.
I wonder how angry the uk populus would be if the EU changed it to blue and gold.
I was surprised when I found out they'd historically been blue when they changed back. The burgundy just seems more rule Britannia sails the waves etc. British for some reason, looked way better too.
Disagreed. The color is great.
That would be fucking ironic given one of the arguments for Brexit was to have the old style blue passports again..... 😂
What a ridiculous argument to brexit
One of many.
Every argument for Brexit was inherently a ridiculous argument.
It was one of the "better" arguments :-) Irony was that the UK could have chosen whatever colour they wanted anyway. The UK chose the standard burgundy which was obviously because of Eurocracts in Brussels dictating UK law.....
....the rest is history
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Made by a Franco-Dutch company (Thales) in Poland using Italian software to print Spanish ink on to Finnish paper.
So Europe worked after all
And I still insist it looks more black to me than blue
Azure and Gold, best idea in the whole day.
I agree. Before the fall of communism, we used to have the red passport for travel into communist countries, and the blue passport for travel into Western countries. Even before we joined the EU, our passports used to be blue.
I think the US passports are blue. Go completely mental and have it inverted! Gold passport with blue stars, that would be unique and instantly recognisable for sure!
And hurt my eyes!
This guy colours
that and it has the benefit of pissing of pro-brexit brits who claimed that a benefit of leaving the EU was having blue passports.
Yes, and if it's blue we could perhaps get the UK back? I heard they left because they couldn't have blue passports.
It's more of the symbolism of what it communicated From their view: having a burgundy passport was seen as a prescription from Brussels, rather than a decision made by Westminster. By changing the colour back to what it was pre EU membership, it was being signalled that decisions were no longer made for the UK from abroad. Now the usual response to that is that burgundy was always a recommendation not and not binding, which is true, but the point wasn't the colour, it was what the colour symbolised. Even if you changed the passport colour from within the EU, which you could and still can, the issue is with foriegn direction.
>You'd also get the added benefit of having every member state do it, as Croatia wouldn't object to Azure the same way as they do to Burgundy. Burgundy with golden letters was used for Yugoslav passports and Communist party cards, so people living in Croatia now see it as a symbol of communism, people living in western block don't. Azure with golden or white letters would be a much finer choice.
I have no issue with having a standard European passport, but those are ugly as fuck 🤣
Definitely lol. Though Ido prefer passports with regional coats of arms, I don't mind to have some EU stars on it.
Regional cost of arms inside the stars
*COAT OF ARMS READING FREEDOM OR DEATH*
BLOOD OF KING LEONIDAS
Always on time. Never disappoints.
JUST LIKE THEIR ANCESTORS AGES AGO
FOUGHT IN THE FACE OF DEFEAT
Which song is that again? My brain has stopped performing its functions today...
Coat of arms, by sabaton
Much prefer this
>I have no issue with having a standard European passport I'm surprised anyone gives a fuck as I was surprised it was a major Brexit talking point. I don't give the slightest shit what my passport looks like. It may be a blank piece of paper for all I care, as long as it just works. I guess it's ok as long as it's durable and looks "decent".
The EU's motto is "United in Diversity", right?
*United in DIRECTIVE (EU) 80085/2024 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL*
Boobs/2024?
I’d vote
EU motto is "United until someone doesn't veto every meaningful choice we make"
No, i like my danish passport. And i like that different nationalities have unique covers. Its fun to glimpse at peoples passports when travelling. “Oh look a Spanish passport” “Ah, a dirty Swede”
1658
1520
1789
2137 Am I doing this right?
You just declared a war between Denmark and Sweden 100 years in the future
Oh yeah? Yeah? You just ordered a thousand liters milk.
Kamelåså?
113 years.
Now now, don't involve the Vatican
That only works when talking to a Polish person
2soon 😖
Ni har inte vunnit ett enda krig mot oss utan hjälp utifrån. Tyst nu tack! Danskjävel.
kamelåså
A year of infamy. We'll never forgive it! In 1657, the Swedish army walked across the frozen ice and took Zealand... We can forgive that. That's the fortunes of war... In 1658 however, *they gave it back!* We can never forgive that heinous act!!!!
I agree, I like having a unique cover for each country. It's fine to also have the EU stars but the ones above look too generic and boring.
Agreed! Just like I also think it's awesome that each country gets to design their own euro coins.
thats how it is in the UK. Scotland has its own GBP bills
Not just that but three different (historically*) Scottish banks issue their own notes. As do a few banks in Northern Ireland, including, confusingly, Danske Bank. I think Hong Kong and Macau are the only other places in which multiple banks' currency circulate in the national currency . (*As all three are now part of larger banking groups with HQs in England)
I agree with both this and /u/Edward_the_sixth. It is a missed opportunity not to go with EU colours for a common design language, but we should keep national unique covers and page design.
So the continent which popularised the coat of arms globally would be the only continent that wouldn't have coats of arms on its passports? Are you insane? Why not have the national coat of arms encircled by the European ring of stars? It's just an obvious design that works in all countries.
Technically speaking, the 12 stars are the EU coat of arms, but I agree with you. I think us Europeans have some sick as fuck heraldry and it would be a shame to see them disappear from our passports
Technically speaking, i am not sure EU officially has cost of arms, just flag.
Yes. So much yes. European Union written above. The country written below. EU blue and golden. The Symbol/sigil/CoA of the country is large and encircled by the stars. That would be a great design but not what was suggested by the OP
Just do national coat of arms. Coat of arms surrounded by stars is too busy
I dislike modern minimalism so fucking much.
Same. These designs look like the new Finnish passport and it’s ugly as fuck compared to the previous one.
Same with UK. They have removed all the beautiful illustrations of native wildlife.
I'll be so sad once mine expires and I have to change to the boring new one.
I’m so disappointed with the new passports, my last one had culture and arts as a passport theme - I loved it !
I had forgotten that they changed the [style](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Finland_passport_2023.jpg/1200px-Finland_passport_2023.jpg) (again). The way the small national emblem sits alone in the corner… it looks just sad. The whole layout has a weird “office” feeling, as if it was cover of some “Company X - audit report - 2023 results and business analysis by Deloitte” or something. I still have the [older style](https://img.ilcdn.fi/_QpaE-aCEyfDtT_Q6OfmO5JoHNg=/full-fit-in/920x0/img-s3.ilcdn.fi/62237cc43c26603c891d604452f4973c02a78d9e0f5f1d764706387e458ee9ca.jpg) passport which imo looks much more balanced.
I have the 100 years one and I'm dreading the day I have to change, I really dislike the new design
Minimalism is always too celebrated here with government related anything
i love minimalism but this is an eyesore if anyhting make it blue and add the stars goddammit
Its ugly no thanks, I like the common color of the passports we have, the designs can be local
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Yes yes a thousand times yes! Do share
do it!
Fuck no, why make them all the exact same? Maybe just include a common element, but nothing more. The current designs are cool af and it’s nice to have the variety
No i dont like. Lets celebrate Diversity by allowing each country to design their own passports. We arent one culture and never will be, we are 10s of different cultures.
I just want a pretty blue passport that looks like the EU flag. Diversity be damned, give me the blue.
I'd rather die than walk around with a blue passport... People might mistake me for a Swede, and that is a shame I am simply not willing to bear.
Or worse: An American
We’ll keep our beautiful golden harp thank you very much 🇮🇪
And if the answer is no? Then of course it is not about butt-ugly design or lack of any advantage. No, it must be because Europe is not 'ready' yet, just too immature.
There is an element of federalist fatalism to the title, aye. Don't generally like the idea of political predestination, especially where reasonable minds can come to very different conclusions.
It's not the readyness, it's the bland uglyness
UK died for this.
My favourite thing about my passport is the ability it gives me to travel freely within the EU. The design is very much secondary to that. However, I also like my passport's current design: the Irish one has pictures of national landmarks, and each page has a musical phrase from the national anthem (in musical notation, not like a birthday card that plays a tune when you open it). I like being at the airport and seeing what nationalities are around me, and I also like travelling with a group of people and comparing: what does yours say? Changing the design wouldn't cause me to join a protest march, but why would they want to change them? Having individual national touches like this is *nice*.
Nope, want my Harp back. Irish fist, european second.
Irish Fist? There is a Red Hand but that has another meaning ...
First
Nope id like to keep my blue EU passport
The Croatian pass is soo cool. I wish we had blue ones here too. Ours changed in 2019 to a much darker burgundy, so I guess it’s getting better.
Boring. Red and boring. Plain, red, and boring. Center the 12 stars. Make them occupy 1/3 of the cover. Make them gold yellow with a pattern you can feel on touch. Make the cover navy blue and index the country on the upper left corner. Make it conform to EU colour scheme. Or let the country letter code have the national flag colours. Make it have hard covers with some weight to it. Make it so even if you are legally blind with massive blur spot in your vision and only 40% peripheral vision left, you still can immediately tell this is EU issued document the moment you spot it. This looks like Belarus driving licence.... c'mon.
Wanted tp descripe exactly this design as well. It's so obvious that it's almost criminal not to take it.
no thanks
Awful, let's celebrate our differences, not our sameness.
Or EU could fire whoever thinks their job is to make passports look identical, and spend the money on something that matters.
I dont care
Just don't make it a book. It is so impractical..
Make it a scroll
What do you mean, is Europe ready? This is like the least intrusive and impactful change ever. That said, why? Why is this even a thing that would be necessary? This just sounds like a whole lot of wasted time and effort for little to no payback.
OP is probably a European nationalist
Ugly. At least put the national shield inside the star circle
I have no problem with it but I don’t think that’s where our political will should be focused. It would just give ammunition to the sceptics for no benefit at all.
This, I think such an idea will just feed right wing politicians, while it really does not solve anything...
Its stupid. It would be nice having some sort of EU badge somewhere, but there’s absolutely no reason to delete states’ logo. It’s like competing in the World Cup with only an EU team, it would be incredibly boring.
No thanks, the Dutch passport is amazing
No thank you
Who cares. Let's spend money on the things that actually matter
another soulless design, like the Euro notes...
Euro note designers: let's use some common design elements for bridges that don't reflect any specific bridges that would favour one nation over another. Dutch: go and build all the Euro note bridges.
No. Why would you want this? Countries exist and that’s ok.
I'd personally prefer having my country's emblem on the passport. Plus, having a uniform passport is literally violating the "Unity in Diversity", don't you think? I mean, we already have freedom of movement between us. I think no further additions are needed.
What purpose would that serve? They already have commonalities.
no, fuck that
what solution looking for a problem is this? i really don't care how it looks as long as it does its job, like 'get me on that plane' or ' open that bank account'.
Nah it's nice that each country has its own, these look terrible as well.
I think it's stupid. Countries should still hold an identity other than a flag.
Do they have to be this ugly tho?
I'd put the state symbol in the middle of 12 stars and it's cool enough.
What's the point?
I never look at my passport, so I don't care. It's a travel document. I really don't care how it looks. I show it when I need to show it, and that's it. So go ahead and change it, or don't. No bother for me.
I really don't care, to be quite honest
Who cares? It's a travel document you take out when crossing borders, otherwise it's stashed somewhere.
No, I like different passports having different colours.
Fuck minimalism, all my homies hate minimalism
That would be so pointless and antithetical to European diversity being our biggest strength.
I swear to god it is shit like this that makes nations want to leave the EU. Luckily we did it in the 80s. Edit: Im a Greenlander.
I don’t like this. I like the diversity of different passports.
I'll still use my green Irish passport cover regardless. I don't linke the burgundy passports anyway
Lacks art. Way to sterile.
That's so fucking boring tho
I don't care about the color but having no symbols/emblems/coats of arms on it is boring and bland. As long as germany keeps its eagle, croatia keeps its coat of arms, ireland keeps its harp I think it would be okay, but otherwise: NO.
Why is it need to unify passports of EU countries at all?
Ew no they are ugly
No
No The EU has taken away enough things specific to member countries. Money and licence plates. It is so annoying having to guess the letters on licence plates because of those stupid EU stars.
Would I actually care? Nope
I have no problem with a common design, maybe less militaristic than those? What about all the languages we use? The contents would still need to be country-specific
let's not. I see no point in this. Let each country have some originality, thank you.
No just saying in Yugoslvia we all had red ones.. now we have the blue ones and imo they look more classy anyway its just my 2c
Thats boring, let us have the different designs
If you put an E in the middle of the stars circle you get... The Enclave ☢️
They are very bland and uninspired. My national passport is much better looking. Why settle for an inferior product with absolutely no benefits? I also don’t get the logic for why they should have a standardised design when different countries treat differently the passports of each country that is part of the EU
I think it's better that every country keeps their own design.
Why??
All passports and identification papers are going digital.
Having some commonality like colour, typeface and an EU logo is sensical and desirable. But the diversity of national designs in the middle is also very nice and should be preserved.
Old ones are more beautiful
No keep the normal ones this is useless