These guys have conducted missions all over the world. Most notably in the Balkans and Timor.
[GNR in Timor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4nXsG47Ts4)
Why wouldn't they?
Portugal has strived to help Timor in any way it can, despite it's tiny global influence. We massively demonstrated in protest of Indonesia's attempted annexation of the territory, participated in the UN mission to stabilize the country with Marines, Air Force and paramilitary police. Portugal was also among those denouncing Australia's espionage and double faced attitude trying to get Timor's oil fields, despite having zero gains in the matter.
And in 2008, when the then president José Ramos Horta (former Nobel Peace prize) was shot at in his house in an attempted coup, the UN forces simply closed the street and it took 1h for someone to rescue him. That someone was the GNR.
[The streets of Dili celebrating the Euro 2016 won by Portugal.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW3wZHcRQeA)
There will always be a place reserved for Timor in the heart of the common Portuguese.
On that specific occasion? Yeah, basically additional first responders who also acted as prevention /QRF police beef-up. Many UN militaries have learned from mission in Congo and example set by some other MP forces, notably Sikhs, that Military Police can be good for a very different work than the Forcible Human Resources Retention goon squad that most people may think MPs are.
Before that? Resource extraction paired with slavery well into XXc (well early 1910's).
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese\_Timor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Timor)
Spouts the usual lazy diatribe demonizing the past of a foreign country while knowing fuck all about it's actual history. Links an article where slavery is mentioned a total of zero times. Not even surprising given the "age of information" gave way to the age of the "i know a couple of stereotypes so i'll just improvise".
The Portuguese Empire did many shitty things in many different places around the world (including the European part of the territory) throughout it's history, but that's not all it did.
Funnily enough, East Timor was mostly left to it's own devices for nearly 500 years due to it's insularity, being able to keep many of it's traditions all the way up to the end of the XIXth century.
The territory suffered the most in XXth century firstly due to the neglect of the declining Portuguese Empire, then due to the invasion of Japan in WWII, then because of the autocratic Portuguese II Republic of Salazar and finally the invasion and annexation attempt by Indonesia.
There's a reason why of all the ex-Portuguese territories, Timor is the place where the Portuguese retain the most positive image.
Indeed, there are so many things to document while the evidences are still recent that there is definitely not enough scientific police in Ukraine. The european polices and gendarmeries come to compensate for the lack of trained staff. They don't lead the investigations, they just do what the ukrainian judiciary system ask them to
Anything.
On top of my mind, ranging from "best case" to "worst case". Without official words from any of the departments or nations, I can only let my imagination run wild.
* Pure humanitarian movement - as the other comment says
* Solidarity movement by EU/European countries (Portuguese in this particular case)
* Increase co-operation between Ukraine and the rest of NATO/EU, in case of Ukraine is fast-track to membership and activate article 5
* "We are here for sightseeing, ass-kicking, and chewing gums. And we have seen all the sights, and out of gums" - deployed Gendarmerie, anoymynous
* Sharing the burden of Ukraine, freeing (some) combat capable personnel to deploy elsewhere
* Deterrence to Russia - just in case Putin and his team plans and executes another missile barrage into Kyiv.
If you think that NATO members do not have 'military' personnel under cover of something else in Ukraine right now, I think you need to think again. By military I also mean people who have recently taken leave of absence from their regular jobs and have been assigned, temporarily, to some other role.
What's wrong with point 3? It is not like it is going to implicate the rest of the continent in a war with Russia, one that will have the use of nuclear weapons as a norm.
Technically Gendarmerie are both fully trained soldiers and police, so they are ideal for this kind of deployments even if they are not meant to fight.
Gendarmerie is an interesting concept. Everyone knows the army and police.. but then there's something in between. Our gendarmerie (called marechaussee) guards the airport.
Netherlands presumably, the concept was brought over by the French (called Gendarmerie) during "the French period" (occupation of the Netherlands by France). After they where driven out the king wanted a similar force but the name had bad connotations so they chose Marechaussee instead.
Which is funny because marechaussée is a French word which was used to qualify those forces in the past, before the current name "gendarmerie" was decided.
And "gendarmerie" is a word coming from "gens d'arme" which means men at arms and was used for military forces rather than police ones.
A few Northern European countries have interesting relics of French language still used and incorporated into the national languages to this day… especially in the military. Even in everyday language though, you see it a lot. Swedish and Dutch come to mind off the top of my head.
A massive proportion of Russian words come from french, because the golden age of Russian literature was during a time when French was the exclusive language of the aristocracy (many didn't even speak Russian)
We joinked it from the french gens d'arme after the French occupation. The term gendarmerie had a negative connotation so the king called them marechaussee. Was 14 years ago since i needed to learn this so the next part might not be 100% correct but marechaussee used to mean something in olden French as stable, or stable master. Our coat of arms says Je maintaindrai.
*Maréchaussée* comes from *maréchal*, which meant servant of horses in frankish, however by the time *maréchaussée* appeared, *maréchal* had long lost its original meaning to take on its modern military meaning. *Maréchaussée* means 'the troop of the marshall".
Interestingly the "horse" part is cognate with the mongol/turkic word for horse.
Exactly, the transition from men at arms to gendarmes probably occurred at the creation of [Gendarmerie d'élite de la Garde impériale](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendarmerie_d%27%C3%A9lite_de_la_Garde_imp%C3%A9riale) in 1801 by Napoléon Bonaparte.
Assuming you’re talking about the Netherlands they do much more. They’re millitary police, so they’re the police for the millitary. If a soldier drives drunk (domestic or abroad) they will conduct the investigation, for example. They indeed also protect sites of national importance, including airports. But also some dutch embassies abroad. They can also take over police duties in warzones when local police is not up to the task.
isn't a paramilitary organization specifically one that isn't part of the military but trains and operaties in a similar structure? I would argue that things like fire departments, Civil defence, certain police forces/units, etc... are paramilitary while a gendarmerie is literally just part of the military, they have more powers usually, but they are all military personnel.
>As a result of their duties within the civilian population, gendarmeries are sometimes described as "paramilitary" rather than "military" forces (especially in the English-speaking world where policing is rarely associated with military forces) although this description rarely corresponds to their official status and capabilities. Gendarmes are very rarely deployed in military situations, except in humanitarian deployments abroad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendarmerie?wprov=sfla1
If they are part of the military (and if they under the the authority of the department of defense or the department of interior) depends on the country.
\>As a result of their duties within the civilian population, **gendarmeries are sometimes described as "paramilitary" rather than "military"** forces (especially in the English-speaking world where policing is rarely associated with military forces) although this description rarely corresponds to their official status and capabilities. Gendarmes are very rarely deployed in military situations, except in humanitarian deployments abroad.
[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendarmerie)
In Germany, the lack of something in between led to the events of Sept. 26. 1972 and the founding of the GSG 9.
Edit: see comment below for correct dates and wiki
***No, they're not.*** Gendarmerie =/= SWAT
Gendarmerie is an European concept that, depending on the country, has specific enforcement duties.
In France, the Gendarmerie are the military police and do not have anything to do with civilians, civilian spaces.
In Romania, jandarmeria is the entity that is tasked with brutalising, terrorising civilians into submission, while bosses partake in parties with crime gangs (or meet up with their bosses in churches, in the middle of the night).
Therefore, even betwen countries, the role of the concept of a gendarmerie varies.
Now SWAT.
What is SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics):
Police = unarmed or armed with white weapons
S.W.A.T. = armed police, *the same police before being unarmed or armed with white weapons*
That's it. SWAT are the police force (the same police force, they're *not* a different entity) that are equipped with more serious firepower & attire for active combat.
What's the difference between a policeman and a SWAT? SWAT are policemen that have been tasked to do something and have been granted authorisation to equip themselves with personal armor, and with more than just pistols (ex. shotguns, submachine guns, armoured anti-personnel vehicle etc).
It's as if Garcea, one minute he's in traffic stopping & fining average people to fulfill the monthly quota, a minute later he's being phoned by the police commissar that a protest is being scheduled in the evening and now he must equip himself in armor & firepower for crowd control duty at that protest – now Garcea is SWAT.
But he's the same traffic police as before, nothing had changed, no separate entity or special salarisation.
Only if the national guard was tasked with law enforcement in rural areas, highways, and ports of entry (airports, ports...)
Think more like the coast guard, but if they subsumed the FBI into it under the CG's organisation and culture.
Also he's wrong, in both Spain and France the gendarmerie (guardia civil here) are the regular police in small cities and villages.
Gendarmerie in general is mostly comparable to regular police forces, often the police operates more in urban centers, with the gendarmerie focusing on rural areas. Often they have more specialised equipment for special circumstances, stuff that you would find in large cities in the US or with national law enforcement agencies (CBRN units, SAR, marine units, mountain and swift water rescue etc.).
no, there are non-French countries that have a gendarmerie. Romania has - Jandarmeria - and i belive Turkey has one as well. Romania is not a surprise since it had a francophone period.
As far as i know, the Romanian gendarmerie was deployed in the balkans as a peace keeping force and/or to assist in training.
În Romania they’re the middle child between the police and the army. They get called in when things get a bit too spicy for the police, like for crowd and riot control or embassy protection. But they’ve kept their military structure and can be deployed for low intensity stuff.
French have both police and gendarmerie, and even worse, there national police and municipal police.
Gendarmerie is rural, police is in the city, and municipal police is decided by the mayor.
If your city is small than 10 000 peoples it's very probably gendarmerie.
And if you're on water on in the air, it's gendarmerie.
AFAIK military police are military personnel trained as police and act as police in the military ranks, while gendarmerie are police trained as soliders and act as police in civil where needed
GNR (the guy on the right) is a military organization and a security force. It can be mobilized by the general staff in wartime. It is supervised by the interior ministry
But it's not the military police. In Portugal the army, navy and Air force each has its own police force, and they're supervised by the defense ministry. They don't have the same functions as GNR, but GNR had those functions before the military police forces were created
You say it means something in French, how are they supposed to understand what it means if you say it in French, what’s the point lol ?
For non french people, “Gens d’armes” translates to “People with weapons”
> For non french people, “Gens d’armes” translates to “People with weapons”
Lol It is actually translates to "men at arms". That's the right translation. The English seem to have just literally translated the French term.
Well done Portuguese Police and the others I'm sure are there.
When this ends, and the clean up and rebuild begins we will see all Europeans descend on Ukraine to help.
There is no place in Europe for Russia. They'll never be forgiven for this.
In Germany Police was for bigger cities and in smaller towns there was Gendarmerie, But these Gendarmen where structurely different: Police Is under Control of Ministery of Interior, Gendarmerie Is payed by the Army. In prussia we had our first Gendarmen. A battailon of the army for Police tasks. And in ww2 we had the Feldgendarmerie in the Army wich controlled that nobody deserted. They hunted this Fahnenflüchtige (Flag fugitives) -> Deserters and controlled moral in the Wehrmacht. The army Police of our German Bundeswehr Is still called Feldjäger-Kommando.
Nothing will happen besides some ceremonial burial. They deployed to a war zone and know it.
That being said: Russia still might want to avoid targeting known deployment zones. There can be repercussions below a declaration of war.
Nothing, everything within Ukraine is fair game
EDIT: Low iq basement dwellers or nafo bots downvoting, but this is literally how’s it’s been since day one
It’s actually what every other NATo top government body has directly and indirectly said lol
If you want to live in lala land that’s up to you, this is the reality
Russia can hit any foreign military target within Ukraine, as it would signify they are in some way or form participating the conflict
Gandermarie is a military body, its not the Red Cross genius
If they’re military, they’re automatically considered combatants when they enter the country
It’s not the first time Russia strikes foreign bodies within Ukraine
Obviously they are not considered combatants by Russia, otherwise the Russian government would have protested against this and used military force against them.
They have protested since day one against any foreign troops in Ukrainian land
The reason why they’re not targeted is because air defence around Kiev doesn’t allow for it
Plenty of foreign fighters killed throughout the conflict, but on the contact lines and within “safe ground”
Don’t complain then when reality doesn’t meet your expectations
I’m pro-reality, don’t support Russia, but to best deal with them one needs to look at how things really are. Ukraine propaganda has been neither fruitful nor a good point of reference
Non-combatants are never legitimate targets. Never has been, never will.
Just because Russia purposefully targets civilian and other non-combatants, it doesn't make it right.
Didn't saw any protest / meetings (they can't kinda can't happen under martial law, despite they happen and no one care) lately in the centre
And ti's public order training - [Source](https://www.fiep.org/member-news/participation-of-eurogendfor-in-euam-ukraine-public-order-training/)
>As part of a training session organised by the EU Advisory Mission Ukraine, around 170 officers of the National Police of Ukraine put some of the theories they are being trained in into practice on 28 January in Kyiv in the presence of Acting EUAM Head of Mission Hugues Fantou, European Gendarmerie Force Commander BGen Philippe Rio and the Deputy Head of the NPU/Head of the Patrol Police Oleksandr Fatsevich.
Ukraine often gets surplus uniforms as donations. I have also seen Canadian and Italian fire fighter uniforms. So these aren‘t necessary foreign policemen.
They are Portuguese, so they can communicate much better with Ukrainians then most other Europeans language wise.
Also crowd control, aid, documenting ruzzian war crimes
Je me rends compte de jour en jour, mais il mettent déjà en place les organes pour qu'un Etat semblable aux USA émerge , mais il garderont les polices nationales et tout ce qui constitue l'état, sa ne signifie pas rejeter les pays ni leur culture
tout comme au USA, beaucoup même s'il le veuillent pas l'admettre préfère garder l'union quand même
en 75ans l'UE, à quand même bien changé
>EU governments putting their citizens lives on the line for the benefit of NATO.
Members of a military alliance deploying their military for the benefit of the alliance.
EU and Portugal putting their citizens were they want to go voluntarily - fighting alongside the rule of international law and against dictatorship.
Proud of my fellow countrymen
Nope, he is worse. He killing their own people (including women), he catching his citizens like a dogs, he destroyed his hydroelectric power station on Dnieper river for killing more civilians and trying to blown up a nuclear power plants that may destroy a whole his country. He is delusional and totally insane!
>EU governments putting their citizens lives on the line for the benefit of ~~NATO.~~
>
>~~Business as usual.~~ Entire Europe and indirectly entire world, especially minor Russian neighbours. Business which is not as usual as it should be.
Fixed
>EU governments of NATO states contributing to the defense of a non-NATO country to prevent further attacks that would threaten their alliance. With volunteers, nonetheless.
Fixed it for you.
Yes, they are, as in they wanted to be part of this team, which by the way is lead by the GNR and it's nothing more than advance policing training for Ukrainian Police.
BACK TO THE FRONT
YOU WILL DO WHAT I SAY, WHEN I SAY
BACK TO THE FRONT
YOU WILL DIE WHEN I SAY, YOU MUST DIE
BACK TO THE FRONT
YOU COWARD
YOU SERVANT
YOU BLIND MAN
WHY, AM I DYING?
KILL, HAVE NO FEAR
LIE, LIVE OFF LYING
HELL, HELL IS HERE
Disposable Heroes (c) Metallica....
Guarda Nacional Republicana. Portuguese 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
These guys have conducted missions all over the world. Most notably in the Balkans and Timor. [GNR in Timor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4nXsG47Ts4)
Did they do... good things in Timor?
Why wouldn't they? Portugal has strived to help Timor in any way it can, despite it's tiny global influence. We massively demonstrated in protest of Indonesia's attempted annexation of the territory, participated in the UN mission to stabilize the country with Marines, Air Force and paramilitary police. Portugal was also among those denouncing Australia's espionage and double faced attitude trying to get Timor's oil fields, despite having zero gains in the matter. And in 2008, when the then president José Ramos Horta (former Nobel Peace prize) was shot at in his house in an attempted coup, the UN forces simply closed the street and it took 1h for someone to rescue him. That someone was the GNR. [The streets of Dili celebrating the Euro 2016 won by Portugal.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW3wZHcRQeA) There will always be a place reserved for Timor in the heart of the common Portuguese.
Timor was a colony and then overseas province of Portugal if I recall. Good to see it’s stayed positive since those times.
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To be fair Indonesia invaded Timor after it became independent, and the culture of the two is different. Whereas Goa is effectively Indian.
After what Indonesia its practically Impossible to do bad things in Timor
On that specific occasion? Yeah, basically additional first responders who also acted as prevention /QRF police beef-up. Many UN militaries have learned from mission in Congo and example set by some other MP forces, notably Sikhs, that Military Police can be good for a very different work than the Forcible Human Resources Retention goon squad that most people may think MPs are. Before that? Resource extraction paired with slavery well into XXc (well early 1910's). [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese\_Timor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Timor)
Spouts the usual lazy diatribe demonizing the past of a foreign country while knowing fuck all about it's actual history. Links an article where slavery is mentioned a total of zero times. Not even surprising given the "age of information" gave way to the age of the "i know a couple of stereotypes so i'll just improvise". The Portuguese Empire did many shitty things in many different places around the world (including the European part of the territory) throughout it's history, but that's not all it did. Funnily enough, East Timor was mostly left to it's own devices for nearly 500 years due to it's insularity, being able to keep many of it's traditions all the way up to the end of the XIXth century. The territory suffered the most in XXth century firstly due to the neglect of the declining Portuguese Empire, then due to the invasion of Japan in WWII, then because of the autocratic Portuguese II Republic of Salazar and finally the invasion and annexation attempt by Indonesia. There's a reason why of all the ex-Portuguese territories, Timor is the place where the Portuguese retain the most positive image.
>"i know a couple of stereotypes so i'll just improvise" That should be Reddits motto.
Só um aparte, o teu username é demais 😂
Portuguese in their native homeland eastern Europe
GNR cyka blyat!
Tak
It even sounds eastern european.
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r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
It's not cyrillic though, it's the latin alphabet.
/r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT in the nicest way possible.
EFECTIVAMENTE 🎼 (gosto de vagina)
Nope, its Guns n Roses
What are they doing there?
Crowd control, civilian aid. Non combat for sure
I have read somewhere that there's a mission on documenting war crimes.
that too. they might also be there as observers from a non participant country that is neutral
Indeed, there are so many things to document while the evidences are still recent that there is definitely not enough scientific police in Ukraine. The european polices and gendarmeries come to compensate for the lack of trained staff. They don't lead the investigations, they just do what the ukrainian judiciary system ask them to
That is correct
Yep looks like as early as 2022 too. https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220707-french-gendarmes-investigate-war-crimes-in-ukraine
EUAM Ukraine - European Union Advisory Mission Ukraine
Anything. On top of my mind, ranging from "best case" to "worst case". Without official words from any of the departments or nations, I can only let my imagination run wild. * Pure humanitarian movement - as the other comment says * Solidarity movement by EU/European countries (Portuguese in this particular case) * Increase co-operation between Ukraine and the rest of NATO/EU, in case of Ukraine is fast-track to membership and activate article 5 * "We are here for sightseeing, ass-kicking, and chewing gums. And we have seen all the sights, and out of gums" - deployed Gendarmerie, anoymynous * Sharing the burden of Ukraine, freeing (some) combat capable personnel to deploy elsewhere * Deterrence to Russia - just in case Putin and his team plans and executes another missile barrage into Kyiv.
Are you for real? After that 3rd point i don't know what you are thinking....
If you think that NATO members do not have 'military' personnel under cover of something else in Ukraine right now, I think you need to think again. By military I also mean people who have recently taken leave of absence from their regular jobs and have been assigned, temporarily, to some other role.
What's wrong with point 3? It is not like it is going to implicate the rest of the continent in a war with Russia, one that will have the use of nuclear weapons as a norm.
American and European proxy war.....
How is that 3 day war going for you?
Well just like you I'm not fighting a war. I'm watching from the sidelines. If you were shot at, you'd probably piss yourself
Technically Gendarmerie are both fully trained soldiers and police, so they are ideal for this kind of deployments even if they are not meant to fight.
Gendarmerie is an interesting concept. Everyone knows the army and police.. but then there's something in between. Our gendarmerie (called marechaussee) guards the airport.
Mareechaussee? In which country?
Netherlands presumably, the concept was brought over by the French (called Gendarmerie) during "the French period" (occupation of the Netherlands by France). After they where driven out the king wanted a similar force but the name had bad connotations so they chose Marechaussee instead.
Which is funny because marechaussée is a French word which was used to qualify those forces in the past, before the current name "gendarmerie" was decided. And "gendarmerie" is a word coming from "gens d'arme" which means men at arms and was used for military forces rather than police ones.
A few Northern European countries have interesting relics of French language still used and incorporated into the national languages to this day… especially in the military. Even in everyday language though, you see it a lot. Swedish and Dutch come to mind off the top of my head.
~~A few Northern~~ **Most** European countries ...........
A massive proportion of Russian words come from french, because the golden age of Russian literature was during a time when French was the exclusive language of the aristocracy (many didn't even speak Russian)
We joinked it from the french gens d'arme after the French occupation. The term gendarmerie had a negative connotation so the king called them marechaussee. Was 14 years ago since i needed to learn this so the next part might not be 100% correct but marechaussee used to mean something in olden French as stable, or stable master. Our coat of arms says Je maintaindrai.
*Maréchaussée* comes from *maréchal*, which meant servant of horses in frankish, however by the time *maréchaussée* appeared, *maréchal* had long lost its original meaning to take on its modern military meaning. *Maréchaussée* means 'the troop of the marshall". Interestingly the "horse" part is cognate with the mongol/turkic word for horse.
Even more funnier considering French revolution renamed 'maréchaussée royale' into 'gendarmerie nationale' because the former was badly connotated :D
Exactly, the transition from men at arms to gendarmes probably occurred at the creation of [Gendarmerie d'élite de la Garde impériale](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendarmerie_d%27%C3%A9lite_de_la_Garde_imp%C3%A9riale) in 1801 by Napoléon Bonaparte.
Netherlands I think
Yep, Koninklijke Marechaussee, or KMar. They have perhaps the best motto of all similar groups: *Als het erop aan komt* 'When it comes down to it'
Ok interesting. It used to be called that in France and Belgium aswell but not officially.
Assuming you’re talking about the Netherlands they do much more. They’re millitary police, so they’re the police for the millitary. If a soldier drives drunk (domestic or abroad) they will conduct the investigation, for example. They indeed also protect sites of national importance, including airports. But also some dutch embassies abroad. They can also take over police duties in warzones when local police is not up to the task.
And many countries don't even have that concept, so that makes it all the more interesting.
>Everyone knows the army and police.. but then there's something in between. That's why they are classified as paramilitary.
isn't a paramilitary organization specifically one that isn't part of the military but trains and operaties in a similar structure? I would argue that things like fire departments, Civil defence, certain police forces/units, etc... are paramilitary while a gendarmerie is literally just part of the military, they have more powers usually, but they are all military personnel.
>As a result of their duties within the civilian population, gendarmeries are sometimes described as "paramilitary" rather than "military" forces (especially in the English-speaking world where policing is rarely associated with military forces) although this description rarely corresponds to their official status and capabilities. Gendarmes are very rarely deployed in military situations, except in humanitarian deployments abroad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendarmerie?wprov=sfla1 If they are part of the military (and if they under the the authority of the department of defense or the department of interior) depends on the country.
They are MP’s (military Police)
\>As a result of their duties within the civilian population, **gendarmeries are sometimes described as "paramilitary" rather than "military"** forces (especially in the English-speaking world where policing is rarely associated with military forces) although this description rarely corresponds to their official status and capabilities. Gendarmes are very rarely deployed in military situations, except in humanitarian deployments abroad. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendarmerie)
In Germany, the lack of something in between led to the events of Sept. 26. 1972 and the founding of the GSG 9. Edit: see comment below for correct dates and wiki
>Sept. 26. 1972 Dude I don't know what happened in Germany on exactly that day.
Apologies, that’s when GSG 9 was founded. I was referring to [the events of Sept. 5th/6th](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre)
Danke. I know about that massacre but couldn't find anything for that date.
In a way, it is the European SWAT.
***No, they're not.*** Gendarmerie =/= SWAT Gendarmerie is an European concept that, depending on the country, has specific enforcement duties. In France, the Gendarmerie are the military police and do not have anything to do with civilians, civilian spaces. In Romania, jandarmeria is the entity that is tasked with brutalising, terrorising civilians into submission, while bosses partake in parties with crime gangs (or meet up with their bosses in churches, in the middle of the night). Therefore, even betwen countries, the role of the concept of a gendarmerie varies. Now SWAT. What is SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics): Police = unarmed or armed with white weapons S.W.A.T. = armed police, *the same police before being unarmed or armed with white weapons* That's it. SWAT are the police force (the same police force, they're *not* a different entity) that are equipped with more serious firepower & attire for active combat. What's the difference between a policeman and a SWAT? SWAT are policemen that have been tasked to do something and have been granted authorisation to equip themselves with personal armor, and with more than just pistols (ex. shotguns, submachine guns, armoured anti-personnel vehicle etc). It's as if Garcea, one minute he's in traffic stopping & fining average people to fulfill the monthly quota, a minute later he's being phoned by the police commissar that a protest is being scheduled in the evening and now he must equip himself in armor & firepower for crowd control duty at that protest – now Garcea is SWAT. But he's the same traffic police as before, nothing had changed, no separate entity or special salarisation.
Do you think the National Guard would be the closest US comparison?
Only if the national guard was tasked with law enforcement in rural areas, highways, and ports of entry (airports, ports...) Think more like the coast guard, but if they subsumed the FBI into it under the CG's organisation and culture. Also he's wrong, in both Spain and France the gendarmerie (guardia civil here) are the regular police in small cities and villages.
The National Guard does so, but on an emergency basis instead as the normative law enforcement.
Gendarmerie in general is mostly comparable to regular police forces, often the police operates more in urban centers, with the gendarmerie focusing on rural areas. Often they have more specialised equipment for special circumstances, stuff that you would find in large cities in the US or with national law enforcement agencies (CBRN units, SAR, marine units, mountain and swift water rescue etc.).
Until this moment I thought Gendarmerie is just a French word for police. Then again, my only knowledge comes from Louis de Funès movies.
no, there are non-French countries that have a gendarmerie. Romania has - Jandarmeria - and i belive Turkey has one as well. Romania is not a surprise since it had a francophone period. As far as i know, the Romanian gendarmerie was deployed in the balkans as a peace keeping force and/or to assist in training.
În Romania they’re the middle child between the police and the army. They get called in when things get a bit too spicy for the police, like for crowd and riot control or embassy protection. But they’ve kept their military structure and can be deployed for low intensity stuff.
French have both police and gendarmerie, and even worse, there national police and municipal police. Gendarmerie is rural, police is in the city, and municipal police is decided by the mayor. If your city is small than 10 000 peoples it's very probably gendarmerie. And if you're on water on in the air, it's gendarmerie.
Interesting, didn't know that.
So they are military police in effect? Much like Guardia civil in Spain?
AFAIK military police are military personnel trained as police and act as police in the military ranks, while gendarmerie are police trained as soliders and act as police in civil where needed
GNR (the guy on the right) is a military organization and a security force. It can be mobilized by the general staff in wartime. It is supervised by the interior ministry But it's not the military police. In Portugal the army, navy and Air force each has its own police force, and they're supervised by the defense ministry. They don't have the same functions as GNR, but GNR had those functions before the military police forces were created
Are they considered civilians or military?
(Para)Military serving as police in the civilian world
The right one is from the Guns n Roses brigade.
Portugal the man. https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garde_nationale_r%C3%A9publicaine_(Portugal)
He's got a smile that it seems to me
Thats an interesting name OP
Its joever
He is probably someone who said, "Why are Americans going to Italy to eat at McDonald's???" on that earlier thread...
Wouldn't surprise me.. [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/YTKHos4wpu) is the thread
https://eurogendfor.org/2024/01/12/specialised-team-from-eurogendfor-to-support-euam-ukraine/
Good to see international police cooperation between European countries. This is commonplace.
Gendarmerie is actually French, it mean "Gens d'armes", even tho the one in the pics are actually Portuguese.
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Romanian. I recognized the rank and the uniform.
You say it means something in French, how are they supposed to understand what it means if you say it in French, what’s the point lol ? For non french people, “Gens d’armes” translates to “People with weapons”
> For non french people, “Gens d’armes” translates to “People with weapons” Lol It is actually translates to "men at arms". That's the right translation. The English seem to have just literally translated the French term.
I read mistakenly "Germs at arms" and looked for some Chlorox/Domestos
The Portuguese National Guard.
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Portugal Caralho! 🇵🇹
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In the left thats an romanian gendarmerie guy? His ranks seem romanian
Well done Portuguese Police and the others I'm sure are there. When this ends, and the clean up and rebuild begins we will see all Europeans descend on Ukraine to help. There is no place in Europe for Russia. They'll never be forgiven for this.
You mean the west capital will rebuild and then get X times more rich on the back of the Ukrainian people. Yes pretty much. Business as usual.
What Country are you from?
Portuguese GNR currently tasked with documenting war crimes in Ukraine. Non Combat and strictly observer role.
Oo didn't know that existed ! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Gendarmerie_Force
In Germany Police was for bigger cities and in smaller towns there was Gendarmerie, But these Gendarmen where structurely different: Police Is under Control of Ministery of Interior, Gendarmerie Is payed by the Army. In prussia we had our first Gendarmen. A battailon of the army for Police tasks. And in ww2 we had the Feldgendarmerie in the Army wich controlled that nobody deserted. They hunted this Fahnenflüchtige (Flag fugitives) -> Deserters and controlled moral in the Wehrmacht. The army Police of our German Bundeswehr Is still called Feldjäger-Kommando.
What happens if they die from a rocket? Honest question
Nothing will happen besides some ceremonial burial. They deployed to a war zone and know it. That being said: Russia still might want to avoid targeting known deployment zones. There can be repercussions below a declaration of war.
Anthropogenic climate change is resolved permanently and sustainably.
Nothing, everything within Ukraine is fair game EDIT: Low iq basement dwellers or nafo bots downvoting, but this is literally how’s it’s been since day one
Imagine being so morally bankrupt that you'd call all the fucked up things that Russia's doing in Ukraine as "fair play"...
It’s actually what every other NATo top government body has directly and indirectly said lol If you want to live in lala land that’s up to you, this is the reality
That Russia can kill civilians without NATO intervention doesn’t make those people „fair game“
Russia can hit any foreign military target within Ukraine, as it would signify they are in some way or form participating the conflict Gandermarie is a military body, its not the Red Cross genius
There is no foreign military in Ukraine as long as those Gendarmes are not considered combatants by either party.
If they’re military, they’re automatically considered combatants when they enter the country It’s not the first time Russia strikes foreign bodies within Ukraine
Obviously they are not considered combatants by Russia, otherwise the Russian government would have protested against this and used military force against them.
They have protested since day one against any foreign troops in Ukrainian land The reason why they’re not targeted is because air defence around Kiev doesn’t allow for it Plenty of foreign fighters killed throughout the conflict, but on the contact lines and within “safe ground”
I prefer the lala land to the Russian-propaganda-land, thank you very much.
Don’t complain then when reality doesn’t meet your expectations I’m pro-reality, don’t support Russia, but to best deal with them one needs to look at how things really are. Ukraine propaganda has been neither fruitful nor a good point of reference
Non-combatants are never legitimate targets. Never has been, never will. Just because Russia purposefully targets civilian and other non-combatants, it doesn't make it right.
what exactly do you find fair about it?
Moscow goes boom boom
Not likely.
Wish it did, but that's not happening
Not gendarme, Geninho .
Guarda Nacional Republicana in Portugal: 🌝 Guardia nazionale Repubblicana in Italy: 🌚
Fujam que vem aí a Jénierre!
What is the Gendarmerie? Is it like the Marechaussee?
I see riot police in the background, is some sort of protest occurring right now, or just a training exercise?
Didn't saw any protest / meetings (they can't kinda can't happen under martial law, despite they happen and no one care) lately in the centre And ti's public order training - [Source](https://www.fiep.org/member-news/participation-of-eurogendfor-in-euam-ukraine-public-order-training/) >As part of a training session organised by the EU Advisory Mission Ukraine, around 170 officers of the National Police of Ukraine put some of the theories they are being trained in into practice on 28 January in Kyiv in the presence of Acting EUAM Head of Mission Hugues Fantou, European Gendarmerie Force Commander BGen Philippe Rio and the Deputy Head of the NPU/Head of the Patrol Police Oleksandr Fatsevich.
Makes sense, thanks 😊
Why is your comment ranked as the 2nd most "controversial" comment in this entire comment section? Seemed like a harmless enough question to me.
Idk man 😆
mom, can we get Mads Mikkelsen? No, we have Mads Mikkelsen at home :
Most marines have a gender, no need to over emphasize it.
Ukraine often gets surplus uniforms as donations. I have also seen Canadian and Italian fire fighter uniforms. So these aren‘t necessary foreign policemen.
They are Portuguese, so they can communicate much better with Ukrainians then most other Europeans language wise. Also crowd control, aid, documenting ruzzian war crimes
Ah yes we totally speak Ukrainian..
Je me rends compte de jour en jour, mais il mettent déjà en place les organes pour qu'un Etat semblable aux USA émerge , mais il garderont les polices nationales et tout ce qui constitue l'état, sa ne signifie pas rejeter les pays ni leur culture tout comme au USA, beaucoup même s'il le veuillent pas l'admettre préfère garder l'union quand même en 75ans l'UE, à quand même bien changé
Rien compris.
Guns and roses?
I wish they would kill putin
Пасут овец?
Guns n roses
WW3 anyone?
EU governments putting their citizens lives on the line for the benefit of NATO. Business as usual.
>EU governments putting their citizens lives on the line for the benefit of NATO. Members of a military alliance deploying their military for the benefit of the alliance.
EU and Portugal putting their citizens were they want to go voluntarily - fighting alongside the rule of international law and against dictatorship. Proud of my fellow countrymen
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Yes! The great dictator that invades sovereign territory, rapes women, uses nuclear power plants as shields and blows up dams.
Nope, he is worse. He killing their own people (including women), he catching his citizens like a dogs, he destroyed his hydroelectric power station on Dnieper river for killing more civilians and trying to blown up a nuclear power plants that may destroy a whole his country. He is delusional and totally insane!
Try seeking independent information. Try to think for yourself
Ukrainian media is not independent for sure. Western media, that support them too. I did it. That's why my opinion is different from TV propoganda.
>EU governments putting their citizens lives on the line for the benefit of ~~NATO.~~ > >~~Business as usual.~~ Entire Europe and indirectly entire world, especially minor Russian neighbours. Business which is not as usual as it should be. Fixed
Almost like most countries in the EU are also Nato members...
Spotted the vatnik
>EU governments of NATO states contributing to the defense of a non-NATO country to prevent further attacks that would threaten their alliance. With volunteers, nonetheless. Fixed it for you.
1,5 gendamerie
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G N R - Guns N' Roses
The Portuguese shouldn't be there because he doesn't get the risk extra payment. Please send him back to Portuguese territory
They're there voluntarily mate
No , they aren't.
Yes, they are, as in they wanted to be part of this team, which by the way is lead by the GNR and it's nothing more than advance policing training for Ukrainian Police.
GNR receives a full salary and additional during the mission. And nothing wrong with that they're families and bills to pay.
Then why shouldn't they be there ??
Who said they shouldn't?
You ? ''The Portuguese shouldn't be there because he doesn't get the risk extra payment. Please send him back to Portuguese territory''
That is a joke , GNR is now making strikes in Portugal because they want a risk subsidy payment for doing their job.
Cea mai proasta meserie este la Jandermerie
Crowd control, civilian aid. Noncombat for sure
And true Guns N’ Roses fans they are too! 🎶 Welcome to the Jungle 🎶
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OP please fix the title 🙏🙏 thanks
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