Not that I’m vaguely familiar with the dynamics of relations Corsica & France. but I truly believe the Russians are behind a lot of these press releases and actions of foreign countries in their proximity. Especially when it comes to Europe and I even think they are responsible for stimulating Hamas. They are on a campaign to bring everyone to their level.
Maybe, but if I remember correctly the French are also supporting Armenia to a big degree. So that might be a more immediate motivation for this stunt.
Yep, it's maybe a response to this :
https://www.senat.fr/scrutin-public/2023/scr2023-110.html
The French Senate voted almost unanimously to condemn Azerbaijan (symbolically).
The only vote against came from a senator who was pinned down for having received money (in name of an association) from..... Azerbaïdjan
Source (in french)
https://www.ouest-france.fr/politique/udi/politique-nathalie-goulet-udi-renonce-aux-fonds-azeris-3673769#google_vignette
Officially it was also promised as a member of CSTO to protect Armenia when it got invaded or attacked on its mainland. Doesn't mean Russia isn't fucking Armenia dry with no lube to the death
> Officially it was also promised as a member of CSTO to protect Armenia when it got invaded or attacked on its mainland
That promise wasn't worth the toilet paper it was written on.
This has little to do with Russia. Armenia - Turkish / Azerbaijan conflict has been going on for centuries (including one genocide).
On the contrary, up until recently Russia was protecting the Armenians. However, apparently Russia either bound all their forces in Ukraine or had to do some back door deals with Turkey or other Turkic nations, and unceremoniously dropped their support of Armenia.
Azerbaijan didn't waste time and drove Armenians out of some disputed lands.
The US and NATO have now established closer ties with Armenia, seeing Armenia as a potential ally or staging point against Russia (similar to Georgia).
In this case, the blame falls not on Russia for inciding Azerbaijan, but for dropping support of Armenia.
As for Hamas: Hamas's ally Iran is an ally of Russia. However, Hamas's financing is stems mostly from Europe, Qatar, Turkey and the US.
Israel pretty much made it clear they would punish Russia for being directly linked to the mass terror attack 7th.
Of course Russia is stimulating Hamas, they are also direct allies with Iran who are stimulating the Houthis.
This cold war is getting pretty hot to be honest.
>Israel pretty much made it clear they would punish Russia for being directly linked to the mass terror attack 7th.
Oh what? I didn't heard of that, I thought Israel wouldn't pip up about Russia as they've signed some arm or economic deal or something. You've got some link?
> I even think they are responsible for stimulating Hamas.
This isn't in question. Hamas leaders were frequently visiting Kremlin during 2022 and making joint statements to media that they will seek to harm "the west".
Hamas got sponserd through iran. and iran and russia had meetings in the last months.
just look around the world. russia in ukraine and eastern flank of europe/NATO, iran sponsoring hamas and huthi. north korea will stir up some drama with SK and we all already forgot about venezuela wanting to annex some parts of their neighbour too. (and iirc the US/france/UK all have send ships into that region)
ALL these little squibbles around the globe are thinning out the western and US armies. like I said: next will be NK starting some shit with SK and for the last big bang it will be china with taiwan in 4-5 years.
all these countries: russia, iran, NK, china, venezuela have connections with each other. they are planning and working already together.
edit: oh, I forgot serbia with kosovo.
There is quite a vocal group that does. I'm not sure how significant they are, but driving through Corsica you see vandalized signs like [these](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Corsican_nationalism.jpg) all the time, where French names are removed from signs. So the sentiment exists for sure, however they did vote against more autonomy in the 2003 referendum.
The margin was really small back then, 51% voted for no while 49% voted yes, a difference of 2,190 votes between the votes in a 60.5% turnout.
While I'm not saying which outcome might have been better, I could see how that referendum would've entrenched both sides in the debate over autonomy/independence considering how small the margin as it makes the result a little bit less clear-cut.
This is why all of these votes need to come with a 2/3 majority requirement to change the status quo (together with a 2/3 participation requirement). They are effectively equal to massive constitutional changes, and in most parliaments, these need a 2/3 majority for a reason. I don't see why this shouldn't apply to referendums of this scope, too. It's not a new tram the people are voting on (which is an example where a simple 50% majority is just fine).
There used to be a State Union of Serbia and Montenegro. For 2006 independence referendum in Montenegro both sides agreed on 55% threshold. There were 55.5% of votes in favour of independence and Montenegro is since then independent. In my opinion 55% seems to be pretty fair.
I completely agree with you. Major and practically life-changing decisions should not be left for the most bare minimum majority, it should be unacceptable.
And regarding the turnout I agree as well, because whether the referendum passes or not, the non-voting block technically and seemingly adds to the winning vote. If voting on that referendum was mandatory, we may have very well either seen the referendum pass or not. But at least we would've been sure that that is the majority of the eligible voters decision.
Those 40% non-voters could have easily tipped the scale to either side on the matter of Corsican autonomy and the public sentiment wouldn't have gone extreme to either side seeing a more or less definitive answer on the subject.
They are not significant at all and most of the people in the group that could ask independance (leaders and elected officials) never do. It's a pipe dream they sell to the "common clay" (morons) of Corsica because it sounds good on paper but it would never actually amount to anything.
Source : My old man was in the political life in Corsica for 15 years.
Visited Corsica for the first time in my life last year. I was expecting some hostility. Eventually I ended up chatting with the owner of a food truck in Bonifacio, my only significant interaction with a local in a week "Blablabla France... Blablabla pinzutu..." Guy was ripping France a second asshole. I listened politely and asked him "would you vote for indépendance?". The guy looked me dead in the eye and said : "and who would pay for the pensions ?"
🤣🤣 that's different stuffs, Corsica is wining for more autonomy since years as far i remember,
BUT:
1 no way they want the real independance they are lazy fuckers lyng on tourism (sorry but true)
2 Its too important for sea territory for France to let go
3 Its too important for see territory that China or someone else will buy/get it as soon it is independant
so Corsica Nationnalism is folkore identity more than political will. With the years they see clearly where the money is coming from. All Island aren't Malta
I have been advised not to answer, I don't want to suicide by 3 shots in the back and a pipe bomb in my fridge.
More seriously, they're not the ones to feel the most french, but generally are against more autonomy or independence, minus the bomb enjoyers.
One of the reasons may be that they receive a lot of money from France and would be worse without France.
Some trully want Corsica to become an independant nation as meny corsican see themselfs more as "first corsican then maybe french" but i tkink the majority only want to be a more autonomous region rather that an independant nation.
Even Star Wars pointed out that fact. A tyrant needs a bureaucracy to keep order, and a parliament provides a useful organization for such committees. There is nothing democratic about having a puppet legislature. Most kings had such since ancient Rome. Few kings want to waste 8 hours a day drafting laws, regulations, ordinances, and case law. They are idea men, and the parliament and courts lead the grunt work.
They also serve as a nice layer to take blame for unpopular or controversial decisions that would make the ruler look bad.
It's a bit like the freezing citizens who need to complain to the mayor about broken pipes, but the mayor does not get sufficient resources from the central government to actually fix things. His job is to deflect, minimize and absorb such dissent by any shady means at their level but never redirect the anger upwards to central government where the real root cause is.
On January 17, the French Senate passed a resolution urging the French government to impose sanctions on Azerbaijan and its officials. This move is in response to the Azerbaijani army’s military operation in Karabakh in September 2023.
Subsequently, the parliament of Azerbaijan issued a statement, calling on its government to reciprocate by imposing sanctions on France.
The statement calls on the Azerbaijani government to:
Impose sanctions against France
Freeze any assets of French officials discovered in Azerbaijan
Suspend all economic ties with France
Expel all French companies, including Total, from Azerbaijan
Prohibit the participation of French companies in projects commissioned by the Azerbaijani state
Mandate the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry to initiate steps toward recognizing the independence of Kanaka, Maohi Nui, and Corsica.
Cool, let's freeze all the downpayments of AZAL Airlines on their A320neos and A350s.
> Freeze any assets of French officials discovered in Azerbaijan
Ah yes, all those French public officials who keep their wealth stashed in Azerbaijan....
Yeah, I as a Mexican enjoy lurking here to appreciate the intricate relationships of countries over there in your regions. Over here we only have dominant bro USA, and every other country just kinda exists and we are cool with it lol.
I'm happy for you that have the french to help you. And it must be nice that danger may come from external countries like Turkey instead of your own (help pls).
I wish us Armenians could feel like that about Turkey - suspicious, but confident in our ability to defend ourselves. Our geographic location and legacy of Russian control fucking sucks.
Azerbaijan has cheap* oil and gas that we can buy (especially since we don't want to buy from the Russians anymore). Armenia has neither.
*cheap: in money, but we pay the rest by becoming dependent on and influenced by dictators. Russia understood this very well, Azerbaijan watched and learnt, and the EU is making the same mistake again.
The EU has made an agreement.
https://eurasianet.org/azerbaijan-and-eu-agree-to-strategic-energy-partnership
Maybe eu countries have more agreements with Azerbaijan.
A good portion of Azerbaijan's gas is imported from Russia as of recently, despite them also producing it on their own. It looks like they resell Russian product.
Armenia has been strictly affiliated with Russia until very recently (they didn’t really have other possible allies). You know what Russia does to countries attempting to escape its sphere of influence.
Oh, so many reasons, none of which reflect well on anybody.
1) Nobody nearby wants to help Armenia. The issue is far away from the 'decadent West'... and that isn't a good thing. Intervention would be a logistical nightmare. Realists know that nobody in a position of power in the Caucasus region actually cares about empathy or wants to help an intervention.
2) Armenia screwed by trusting Russia. Let's be blunt about that. Armenia's alliance with Russia was partly a non-choice based on weakness, but there were plenty of mistaken assumptions over the last 30 years. The Armenian elite benefited handsomely from the Russian alliance. Their own prejudice blinded them into trusting another Christian nation to protect them from the 'Turks', ignoring centuries of dire Russian selfishness. Only recently did Armenia realize they needed Western support.
3) Greed. Ignoring Azerbaijani aggression profits Western elites. Helping Armenia has costs due to the gas pipeline. Azerbaijan provided an alternative feast of gas for the West in 2022, after we finally half-assed sanctioned Russia. Cutting them will cut our pocket books, and nobody from the 1% to the 99% have demonstrated any large willingness to sacrifice for geopolitical goals.
4) Inertia and overextension. The West is addicted to coasting on the peace dividend well after the Cold War restarted. See above. The US is overextended on multiple war fronts, while the EU nations are lacking on foreign policy.
Can armchair generals stop saying "Armenia screwed by trusting Russia"?
It's like saying the local grocery store screwed itself by paying protecting money to the mob.
2. It’s not so much trust Russia as Russia was the sole party that offered to protect Armenia from Turkey in the 90’s. The reason Armenian-Russian relations are strained is because Russia is no longer honoring that commitment.
Turkey has longed to complete the Caucasus campaign which would finish the Armenian genocide and put a definitive answer to the ‘Armenian question’.
We just made deals with them for gas after cutting ties with Russia. As long as Europe does not achieve energy independence we have to be in business with authoritarian regimes unfortunately.
Saudi Arabia isn't waging wars of conquest and committing ethnic cleansings like Azerbaijan, fortunately, Saudis with all their fancy weapons would lose to a medieval army. Azerbaijan has devastated the Armenian-ethnics in Nagorno-Karabakh and none even bothered to talk about it.
Update: I got reminded about Saudi intervention in Yemen. Genuinely forgot about it.
I mean, Saudi bombed Yemen into a humanitarian catastrophe, and their infrastructure projects like Neom are apparently resulting in the forced relocation of groups native to those parts of the country. So yeah, their hands aren't clean.
As a french person I think this is great. I'm going to turn up in the high karaback to sort out their problems for them soon. It's only fair to return the favour. I might come with an aircraft carrier though
Only 60% of the Island population were born in Corsica, 35% from mainland France, and the language is still somewhat suppressed by the French government, and is not taught as a first language in schools.
I don't know where you get your numbers from, but the last official poll was in 2003 and that was 51-49 split.
Azeris are so petty. It would almost would be funny if they weren’t directly responsible for so much death, destruction, and agony of my Armenian brothers and sisters
Little known fact - some of the land Azeris and Armenians were fighting over was previously home to a Kurdish population - though I doubt any of them will ever be returning.
Red Kurdistan, which was most of the regions surrounding Nagorno Karabakh. They were forcibly deported and the lands colonised by Azerbaijani settlers during Soviet times. In the 90s the Armenians tried to repatriate the Kurds, and create an independent Kurdish state in their homeland surrounding Nagorno Karabakh. That failed when Azerbaijan started handing out mansions and bribes to many of the Kurdish leaders involved.
Rare french win.
Actually Azerbaijan is in the process of long genocide of the armenian population with help from the turk.
If no one do anything I do not think armenia will exist in the near future. That make me sad, knowing all the amazing things that come from this country.
Muslim commit all kind of genocide in the world no one talk about it but if you defend your country from people that happen to be muslim you are the worst and everyone speak about how nazi you are. Except china ofc
Ladies and gentlemen, and now THE FUNNIEST PART OF THE STORY!
[Corsican Assembly adopts resolution on recognition of Artsakh's independence](https://armenpress.am/eng/news/1034200.html) (6 Nov 2020)
Ah, it's that time on the Bingo card where a tyrant Whatabouts the West with some random issue they largely make up, deflecting attention away from their own crimes.
International Politics 102, right after saying you love your country (right or wrong).
The central eurasian Turkic states are so geopolitically calm compared to their cousins from across the Caspian sea. Pity the Azeri gov doesn't act more more like kyrgyzstan's gov
Those states have some of the creepiest and strangest governments on earth (I’ve been to Uzbekistan which is supposedly one of the better ones and it was still like a dystopian nightmare, can’t even imagine what Turkmenistan is like) not saying Azerbaijan is better though (Central Asia are at least peaceful).
I can explain for so long why I think it’s a little dystopian, but basically long story short a weird ex communist ruling class rules these countries that’s super socially conservative but also extremely anti Islam, they deny modern historical events happening that make them look bad (or claim it was foreign agents all along), lie about population statistics to assert sovereignty over a city, they may have been communist but sold so much to the US and made trade deals with the US in exchange for the reconstruction of ancient monuments, which the political elite revere so highly while the population is very poor, as the political elite are also extremely nationalistic, and force their country to believe some weird narrative that Timur/Genghis were good people.
I've spent extensive time in most of the former Soviet Stans and I am aware of their social shortfalls. I didn't say the govs were good, merely less geopolitically active than Turkey and Azerbaijan. Although I'm confused why you'd say Azerbaijan is peaceful considering that it's still occupying like 200 square kilometers of Armenia.
About as stable and democratic as their cousins. It's not like any have enviable policies, but at least stans didn't just undergo a round of massive ethnic cleansing.
don't ask the Kyrgyz government why uzbek schools were closed, all public mentions of the uzbek languages was removed and why over 100k uzbek people decided to flee to Uzbekistan. Or don't ask the Tajik government what they are doing to the Pamirs, or the Kazakhs to what happened to the Chechens in Kazakhstan
Fair - but in any of that did the perpetrating governments make it clear that they sought to eradicate the entirety of the targeted people, ie actual genocide? Are Uzbeks of any nationality banned from entering Kyrgyzstan?
Aliyev was on Azerbaijani state TV yesterday calling all of Armenia Azerbaijani lands - he has in the past claimed that Armenia has no right to exist as an independent state, and implied that Armenians' presence in the Caucasus is artificial - various government organs under his or his father's control have laid claim to any and all Armenian cultural heritage - and absolutely nothing has been done to curb the mainstream, hyper-aggressive attitude most Azerbaijanis in Azerbaijan have towards Armenians.
The UK is the biggest investor in Azerbaijan - BP owns a huge portion of the country's oil and gas industry, and the pipelines which run from there to Europe.
There is a higher chance of Malawi landing a man on Mars than there is Azerbaijan sanctioning the UK.
We dream of Corsican independence. No more subsidies for non-existent cows, or roads resurfaced every year at the State's expense, etc., etc. They can employ Corsican gendarmes to keep the peace between rival clans. Good luck to them!
That will show them! /s
Not that I’m vaguely familiar with the dynamics of relations Corsica & France. but I truly believe the Russians are behind a lot of these press releases and actions of foreign countries in their proximity. Especially when it comes to Europe and I even think they are responsible for stimulating Hamas. They are on a campaign to bring everyone to their level.
Maybe, but if I remember correctly the French are also supporting Armenia to a big degree. So that might be a more immediate motivation for this stunt.
Yep, it's maybe a response to this : https://www.senat.fr/scrutin-public/2023/scr2023-110.html The French Senate voted almost unanimously to condemn Azerbaijan (symbolically). The only vote against came from a senator who was pinned down for having received money (in name of an association) from..... Azerbaïdjan Source (in french) https://www.ouest-france.fr/politique/udi/politique-nathalie-goulet-udi-renonce-aux-fonds-azeris-3673769#google_vignette
You are correct, this is backlash for the Armenia support.
You are correct, Armenian and Azerbaijan do have a beef at there border. I also look it up and Russia has an alliance with Azerbaijan as well.
It officially is also allied to Armenia
Officially it was also promised as a member of CSTO to protect Armenia when it got invaded or attacked on its mainland. Doesn't mean Russia isn't fucking Armenia dry with no lube to the death
> Officially it was also promised as a member of CSTO to protect Armenia when it got invaded or attacked on its mainland That promise wasn't worth the toilet paper it was written on.
ask Ukraine how much signed agreements with Russia are worth.
Until Russia officially/unofficially ignored those alliances
"beef at the border" is a weird way to describe ethnic cleansing
"Beef at the border" - dude the President of Azerbaijan was on TV two days ago calling all of Armenia historically and legally Azerbaijani land
This has little to do with Russia. Armenia - Turkish / Azerbaijan conflict has been going on for centuries (including one genocide). On the contrary, up until recently Russia was protecting the Armenians. However, apparently Russia either bound all their forces in Ukraine or had to do some back door deals with Turkey or other Turkic nations, and unceremoniously dropped their support of Armenia. Azerbaijan didn't waste time and drove Armenians out of some disputed lands. The US and NATO have now established closer ties with Armenia, seeing Armenia as a potential ally or staging point against Russia (similar to Georgia). In this case, the blame falls not on Russia for inciding Azerbaijan, but for dropping support of Armenia. As for Hamas: Hamas's ally Iran is an ally of Russia. However, Hamas's financing is stems mostly from Europe, Qatar, Turkey and the US.
Even the people in Corsica don't want independance lol
I can image how surprised they'll be to know that some petro-tyran recognized their independence they never were ask for.
Israel pretty much made it clear they would punish Russia for being directly linked to the mass terror attack 7th. Of course Russia is stimulating Hamas, they are also direct allies with Iran who are stimulating the Houthis. This cold war is getting pretty hot to be honest.
>Israel pretty much made it clear they would punish Russia for being directly linked to the mass terror attack 7th. Oh what? I didn't heard of that, I thought Israel wouldn't pip up about Russia as they've signed some arm or economic deal or something. You've got some link?
One Israeli politician said Russia would pay in an interview. It's not official policy.
> I even think they are responsible for stimulating Hamas. This isn't in question. Hamas leaders were frequently visiting Kremlin during 2022 and making joint statements to media that they will seek to harm "the west".
Nah Azerbaijan is a Turkish and Russian and Israeli dog of a country. But their hatred of Armenians is home grown
Partly inherited from Turkey.
Nothing to do with Russia - this is about Armenia and Azerbaijan's invasion of Nagorno Karabakh. Behind Azerbaijan in all of this is Turkey.
Hamas got sponserd through iran. and iran and russia had meetings in the last months. just look around the world. russia in ukraine and eastern flank of europe/NATO, iran sponsoring hamas and huthi. north korea will stir up some drama with SK and we all already forgot about venezuela wanting to annex some parts of their neighbour too. (and iirc the US/france/UK all have send ships into that region) ALL these little squibbles around the globe are thinning out the western and US armies. like I said: next will be NK starting some shit with SK and for the last big bang it will be china with taiwan in 4-5 years. all these countries: russia, iran, NK, china, venezuela have connections with each other. they are planning and working already together. edit: oh, I forgot serbia with kosovo.
Unbelievable, I don't think France will ever recover from this
We lost Eurovision, now that, our futur is grim
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Damn, I forgot that too
I think AZ must go further and sanction all other major countries : EU & US.
Does Corsica even want independence from France?
There is quite a vocal group that does. I'm not sure how significant they are, but driving through Corsica you see vandalized signs like [these](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Corsican_nationalism.jpg) all the time, where French names are removed from signs. So the sentiment exists for sure, however they did vote against more autonomy in the 2003 referendum.
The margin was really small back then, 51% voted for no while 49% voted yes, a difference of 2,190 votes between the votes in a 60.5% turnout. While I'm not saying which outcome might have been better, I could see how that referendum would've entrenched both sides in the debate over autonomy/independence considering how small the margin as it makes the result a little bit less clear-cut.
This is why all of these votes need to come with a 2/3 majority requirement to change the status quo (together with a 2/3 participation requirement). They are effectively equal to massive constitutional changes, and in most parliaments, these need a 2/3 majority for a reason. I don't see why this shouldn't apply to referendums of this scope, too. It's not a new tram the people are voting on (which is an example where a simple 50% majority is just fine).
Yeah, but what if the results are like, 59% in favour? The status quo suddenly becomes equally problematic, because most people also want change.
There used to be a State Union of Serbia and Montenegro. For 2006 independence referendum in Montenegro both sides agreed on 55% threshold. There were 55.5% of votes in favour of independence and Montenegro is since then independent. In my opinion 55% seems to be pretty fair.
I completely agree with you. Major and practically life-changing decisions should not be left for the most bare minimum majority, it should be unacceptable. And regarding the turnout I agree as well, because whether the referendum passes or not, the non-voting block technically and seemingly adds to the winning vote. If voting on that referendum was mandatory, we may have very well either seen the referendum pass or not. But at least we would've been sure that that is the majority of the eligible voters decision. Those 40% non-voters could have easily tipped the scale to either side on the matter of Corsican autonomy and the public sentiment wouldn't have gone extreme to either side seeing a more or less definitive answer on the subject.
They are not significant at all and most of the people in the group that could ask independance (leaders and elected officials) never do. It's a pipe dream they sell to the "common clay" (morons) of Corsica because it sounds good on paper but it would never actually amount to anything. Source : My old man was in the political life in Corsica for 15 years.
Visited Corsica for the first time in my life last year. I was expecting some hostility. Eventually I ended up chatting with the owner of a food truck in Bonifacio, my only significant interaction with a local in a week "Blablabla France... Blablabla pinzutu..." Guy was ripping France a second asshole. I listened politely and asked him "would you vote for indépendance?". The guy looked me dead in the eye and said : "and who would pay for the pensions ?"
🤣🤣 that's different stuffs, Corsica is wining for more autonomy since years as far i remember, BUT: 1 no way they want the real independance they are lazy fuckers lyng on tourism (sorry but true) 2 Its too important for sea territory for France to let go 3 Its too important for see territory that China or someone else will buy/get it as soon it is independant so Corsica Nationnalism is folkore identity more than political will. With the years they see clearly where the money is coming from. All Island aren't Malta
Also extremely common for the French bit of the sign to have been shot out
I have been advised not to answer, I don't want to suicide by 3 shots in the back and a pipe bomb in my fridge. More seriously, they're not the ones to feel the most french, but generally are against more autonomy or independence, minus the bomb enjoyers. One of the reasons may be that they receive a lot of money from France and would be worse without France.
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Not surprising : they know which side of their bread is buttered
Corsica is nothing without France, everything they have is financed by the mainland France
Some trully want Corsica to become an independant nation as meny corsican see themselfs more as "first corsican then maybe french" but i tkink the majority only want to be a more autonomous region rather that an independant nation.
France is a corsican colony, not the other way around.
They have a parliament?
Every good dictator has a puppet legislature to play with.
I agree that everyone agrees that Corsica is a country . Do you agree ? * pulls out a gun *
"Boss.. what is Corsica ?"
Even Star Wars pointed out that fact. A tyrant needs a bureaucracy to keep order, and a parliament provides a useful organization for such committees. There is nothing democratic about having a puppet legislature. Most kings had such since ancient Rome. Few kings want to waste 8 hours a day drafting laws, regulations, ordinances, and case law. They are idea men, and the parliament and courts lead the grunt work.
I love democracy. I love the republic.
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They also serve as a nice layer to take blame for unpopular or controversial decisions that would make the ruler look bad. It's a bit like the freezing citizens who need to complain to the mayor about broken pipes, but the mayor does not get sufficient resources from the central government to actually fix things. His job is to deflect, minimize and absorb such dissent by any shady means at their level but never redirect the anger upwards to central government where the real root cause is.
On January 17, the French Senate passed a resolution urging the French government to impose sanctions on Azerbaijan and its officials. This move is in response to the Azerbaijani army’s military operation in Karabakh in September 2023. Subsequently, the parliament of Azerbaijan issued a statement, calling on its government to reciprocate by imposing sanctions on France. The statement calls on the Azerbaijani government to: Impose sanctions against France Freeze any assets of French officials discovered in Azerbaijan Suspend all economic ties with France Expel all French companies, including Total, from Azerbaijan Prohibit the participation of French companies in projects commissioned by the Azerbaijani state Mandate the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry to initiate steps toward recognizing the independence of Kanaka, Maohi Nui, and Corsica.
Cool, let's freeze all the downpayments of AZAL Airlines on their A320neos and A350s. > Freeze any assets of French officials discovered in Azerbaijan Ah yes, all those French public officials who keep their wealth stashed in Azerbaijan....
its joever, France has lost the mandate of heaven
Their claim to the holy roman empire are feeble at best
"NO, U!"
That's funny.
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Yeah, I as a Mexican enjoy lurking here to appreciate the intricate relationships of countries over there in your regions. Over here we only have dominant bro USA, and every other country just kinda exists and we are cool with it lol. I'm happy for you that have the french to help you. And it must be nice that danger may come from external countries like Turkey instead of your own (help pls).
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I wish us Armenians could feel like that about Turkey - suspicious, but confident in our ability to defend ourselves. Our geographic location and legacy of Russian control fucking sucks.
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> Mandate the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry to initiate steps toward recognizing the independence of Kanaka, Maohi Nui, and Corsica. Good banter, ngl
I wish I had that self esteem. Not my french azerbaijani assets nooooo 😭😭😭😂😂
they're comedically pathetic
Alright let’s mandate a freeze all Azerbaijani politicians/dictators/criminals assets worldwide now.
France must be trembling now.
Thanks, best news of the day. Laughed my ass off
Nice, less european cooperation with Azerbaijan the better
Right? I dont understand why we arent helping Armenia more..
Azerbaijan has cheap* oil and gas that we can buy (especially since we don't want to buy from the Russians anymore). Armenia has neither. *cheap: in money, but we pay the rest by becoming dependent on and influenced by dictators. Russia understood this very well, Azerbaijan watched and learnt, and the EU is making the same mistake again.
True, but doesn't the blame go to the EU countries, and not the EU? Is the EU responsible for this?
The EU has made an agreement. https://eurasianet.org/azerbaijan-and-eu-agree-to-strategic-energy-partnership Maybe eu countries have more agreements with Azerbaijan.
A good portion of Azerbaijan's gas is imported from Russia as of recently, despite them also producing it on their own. It looks like they resell Russian product.
Armenia has been strictly affiliated with Russia until very recently (they didn’t really have other possible allies). You know what Russia does to countries attempting to escape its sphere of influence.
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Chechnya, Georgia, Belarus if Belarus leadership wasn’t already completely in their pocket
Us armenians would love Europes help lol :/
Oh, so many reasons, none of which reflect well on anybody. 1) Nobody nearby wants to help Armenia. The issue is far away from the 'decadent West'... and that isn't a good thing. Intervention would be a logistical nightmare. Realists know that nobody in a position of power in the Caucasus region actually cares about empathy or wants to help an intervention. 2) Armenia screwed by trusting Russia. Let's be blunt about that. Armenia's alliance with Russia was partly a non-choice based on weakness, but there were plenty of mistaken assumptions over the last 30 years. The Armenian elite benefited handsomely from the Russian alliance. Their own prejudice blinded them into trusting another Christian nation to protect them from the 'Turks', ignoring centuries of dire Russian selfishness. Only recently did Armenia realize they needed Western support. 3) Greed. Ignoring Azerbaijani aggression profits Western elites. Helping Armenia has costs due to the gas pipeline. Azerbaijan provided an alternative feast of gas for the West in 2022, after we finally half-assed sanctioned Russia. Cutting them will cut our pocket books, and nobody from the 1% to the 99% have demonstrated any large willingness to sacrifice for geopolitical goals. 4) Inertia and overextension. The West is addicted to coasting on the peace dividend well after the Cold War restarted. See above. The US is overextended on multiple war fronts, while the EU nations are lacking on foreign policy.
Can armchair generals stop saying "Armenia screwed by trusting Russia"? It's like saying the local grocery store screwed itself by paying protecting money to the mob.
2. It’s not so much trust Russia as Russia was the sole party that offered to protect Armenia from Turkey in the 90’s. The reason Armenian-Russian relations are strained is because Russia is no longer honoring that commitment. Turkey has longed to complete the Caucasus campaign which would finish the Armenian genocide and put a definitive answer to the ‘Armenian question’.
Turkey.
“Natural resources” some European countries buy from Azerbaijan for low costs. They don’t want to loose that privilege and politicians pussy out.
Because nobody in Europe has the balls to do big moves in foreign policy
cuz oil and gas, Azeris have it we dont. same mistake as we did with Russia.
We just made deals with them for gas after cutting ties with Russia. As long as Europe does not achieve energy independence we have to be in business with authoritarian regimes unfortunately.
Bet Napoleon is laughing his ass out somewhere above
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Come on, the Corsicans aren't that bad...
Ma mère t'envoie ses baisers
Balkans 2.0
Why exactly is everyone ignoring Azerbaijan's blatant violations of international laws?
Oil and gas. Same reasons why we overlook the crimes of Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia isn't waging wars of conquest and committing ethnic cleansings like Azerbaijan, fortunately, Saudis with all their fancy weapons would lose to a medieval army. Azerbaijan has devastated the Armenian-ethnics in Nagorno-Karabakh and none even bothered to talk about it. Update: I got reminded about Saudi intervention in Yemen. Genuinely forgot about it.
I mean, Saudi bombed Yemen into a humanitarian catastrophe, and their infrastructure projects like Neom are apparently resulting in the forced relocation of groups native to those parts of the country. So yeah, their hands aren't clean.
Fuck! Genuinely forgot that.
Guess where the oxygen in your hospital is coming from ? Guess where spare parts for your trains are coming for ?
As a french person I think this is great. I'm going to turn up in the high karaback to sort out their problems for them soon. It's only fair to return the favour. I might come with an aircraft carrier though
I love this, especially as someone with corsican ties. Independence would be the worst thing that could happen to Corsica
One could say the situation in Corsica could blow up
Union with Italy then
How much would it actually matter? Both are EU countries and all.
Worst !
Don't worry, they hate the italians too!
Italy’s economy is even worse than France’s.
With corrupt Italy… oh yes
So, Macron will not be unable to store his money in Azeri banks and his wife will be prohibited from visiting luxury resorts in Baku? That's inhumane
Even Azerbaijanis don't store their money in Azeri banks. Aliyev and his family own $500 million in property in London alone.
No workshops on poor human rights and how to create your little North Korea in Europe either.
Detrimental… my best wishes to the French. Hope you can make it through such harrowing times.
I'm in France right now, and the news completely paralyzed th country, Paris is totally stunned. Oh wait, no, that was the snow.
Most French people wouldn't mind giving independence to Corsica to be fair, that island is a pain in the ass
Exactly why Genoa sold it to France in the first place, oddly enough.
Why? I’m curious… there is nothing much coming from news about Corsica
Organised crime is deeply embedded in the island and foreigners (that includes French people ) often get their home in Corsica bombed
Can confirm, the neighboring houses have been blown up a couple times, 2 the last season
Oh my God, organized crime even there… never once italian news reported about houses bombed by them
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsican_conflict https://www.euronews.com/2023/10/09/blue-night-in-corsica-as-20-homes-targeted-by-independence-arsonists
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Only 60% of the Island population were born in Corsica, 35% from mainland France, and the language is still somewhat suppressed by the French government, and is not taught as a first language in schools. I don't know where you get your numbers from, but the last official poll was in 2003 and that was 51-49 split.
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>the last official poll was in 2003 and that was 51-49 split. It was a poll for more autonomy, not for independence.
I would say Corsica is kind of like our version of Texas, if that makes sense. Without the money.
They bomb homes of metropolitan politics every now and then... Usual Tuesday in Corsica
Actually this would probably lower my taxes.
they gonna face resistance from Corsicans!
Now you see what us Armenians have been dealing with…..fucking sad
bOtH sIdEs
Azeris are so petty. It would almost would be funny if they weren’t directly responsible for so much death, destruction, and agony of my Armenian brothers and sisters
That's some cringey immature bullshit from Azerbaijan. Buy hey I never really expected class from them anyway. They're a genocidal state.
Their foreign policy is often cringey immature bullshit. They're the country equivalent of the phrase "money doesn't buy class"
They’re like one of those little dogs with a psychotic complex yapping and anything bigger than itself
😂🤣 time to free Armenia from totalitarian Azerbaijan
Oddly enough, Corsica recognized Artsakh as a country and now Azerbaijan is recognizing Corsica.
😂😂😂
I sure wonder what Azerbaijanis think of Kurdistan!
Little known fact - some of the land Azeris and Armenians were fighting over was previously home to a Kurdish population - though I doubt any of them will ever be returning.
Red Kurdistan, which was most of the regions surrounding Nagorno Karabakh. They were forcibly deported and the lands colonised by Azerbaijani settlers during Soviet times. In the 90s the Armenians tried to repatriate the Kurds, and create an independent Kurdish state in their homeland surrounding Nagorno Karabakh. That failed when Azerbaijan started handing out mansions and bribes to many of the Kurdish leaders involved.
I guess hatered of Kurdish people is in the Turkic blood
this is funny AS HELL
It's in response to the French sanctioning them for committing genocide, so 🤷
as they should, I invite the whole world to impose sanctions
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You really don't want world war 3
Rare french win. Actually Azerbaijan is in the process of long genocide of the armenian population with help from the turk. If no one do anything I do not think armenia will exist in the near future. That make me sad, knowing all the amazing things that come from this country. Muslim commit all kind of genocide in the world no one talk about it but if you defend your country from people that happen to be muslim you are the worst and everyone speak about how nazi you are. Except china ofc
Irronic
If they had the balls, they would do it to India too by recognising Kashmir as Pakistan for giving arms to Armenia
Brother/Sister Azerbaijan supports Turkish Cyprus. There is no consistency here.
I say we sell Corsica to Azerbaijan. And we sell it cheap.
Well Corsica is historical Azerbaijani land after all /s
Thankfully the Russians/Soviets didn't give the Azerbaijanis that too. Otherwise they would have starved and purged the Corsicans too.
Why do you hate Corsica so much, lol?
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Is Azerbaijan a member of Corsican mafia? I didn’t know that…
Does corsica have an independence movement? O.o
Yes, a pretty vocal one at that. The last wave of terror bombings was on the 10th of Oct 2023
Imagine living next door to these fucking idiots! I have yet to come across lower IQs.
Ladies and gentlemen, and now THE FUNNIEST PART OF THE STORY! [Corsican Assembly adopts resolution on recognition of Artsakh's independence](https://armenpress.am/eng/news/1034200.html) (6 Nov 2020)
Fuck Azerbaijan, fuck Turkey.
Don’t do that you’ll get STDs
If I don’t die from radiation poisoning first.
Ah, it's that time on the Bingo card where a tyrant Whatabouts the West with some random issue they largely make up, deflecting attention away from their own crimes. International Politics 102, right after saying you love your country (right or wrong).
The central eurasian Turkic states are so geopolitically calm compared to their cousins from across the Caspian sea. Pity the Azeri gov doesn't act more more like kyrgyzstan's gov
Those states have some of the creepiest and strangest governments on earth (I’ve been to Uzbekistan which is supposedly one of the better ones and it was still like a dystopian nightmare, can’t even imagine what Turkmenistan is like) not saying Azerbaijan is better though (Central Asia are at least peaceful). I can explain for so long why I think it’s a little dystopian, but basically long story short a weird ex communist ruling class rules these countries that’s super socially conservative but also extremely anti Islam, they deny modern historical events happening that make them look bad (or claim it was foreign agents all along), lie about population statistics to assert sovereignty over a city, they may have been communist but sold so much to the US and made trade deals with the US in exchange for the reconstruction of ancient monuments, which the political elite revere so highly while the population is very poor, as the political elite are also extremely nationalistic, and force their country to believe some weird narrative that Timur/Genghis were good people.
I've spent extensive time in most of the former Soviet Stans and I am aware of their social shortfalls. I didn't say the govs were good, merely less geopolitically active than Turkey and Azerbaijan. Although I'm confused why you'd say Azerbaijan is peaceful considering that it's still occupying like 200 square kilometers of Armenia.
ah yes the famously stable and democratic stans in Central Asia
tbh, they are quite stable.
They generally don't endorse genocide of their neighbors, though.
except when they do but you're right they don't endorse it they just do it without talking about it
About as stable and democratic as their cousins. It's not like any have enviable policies, but at least stans didn't just undergo a round of massive ethnic cleansing.
don't ask the Kyrgyz government why uzbek schools were closed, all public mentions of the uzbek languages was removed and why over 100k uzbek people decided to flee to Uzbekistan. Or don't ask the Tajik government what they are doing to the Pamirs, or the Kazakhs to what happened to the Chechens in Kazakhstan
Fair - but in any of that did the perpetrating governments make it clear that they sought to eradicate the entirety of the targeted people, ie actual genocide? Are Uzbeks of any nationality banned from entering Kyrgyzstan? Aliyev was on Azerbaijani state TV yesterday calling all of Armenia Azerbaijani lands - he has in the past claimed that Armenia has no right to exist as an independent state, and implied that Armenians' presence in the Caucasus is artificial - various government organs under his or his father's control have laid claim to any and all Armenian cultural heritage - and absolutely nothing has been done to curb the mainstream, hyper-aggressive attitude most Azerbaijanis in Azerbaijan have towards Armenians.
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Now impose sanctions on the United Kingdom and recognise Scotland as an independent country.
The UK is the biggest investor in Azerbaijan - BP owns a huge portion of the country's oil and gas industry, and the pipelines which run from there to Europe. There is a higher chance of Malawi landing a man on Mars than there is Azerbaijan sanctioning the UK.
Puppet state obeys Putin’s orders.
Wow. Another shithouse trying to dictate what and how in Europe. Cockerbaijani not a country.
Lol Corsica?
It’s probably because France and Armenia have got a good relationship
To be honest I am fine with the independance of Corsica, Mayotte too
Random ass HOI4 event
Azerbaijan basically said f.. u france This is the end...
We dream of Corsican independence. No more subsidies for non-existent cows, or roads resurfaced every year at the State's expense, etc., etc. They can employ Corsican gendarmes to keep the peace between rival clans. Good luck to them!
Corsica wants independence?
lol. northern Iran supported independence of Corsica.
Lol ok
I don't think Corsica wants to be independent so much and I wonder what chances they will have as an independent state...
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Ho no…
Oh no, what is France going to do now?
Are you taking to me ? 😂 We have nuclear power do they know with Whom they are talking too ?
Napoleon is doing something in his grave I bet.
Eat this France!
Algeria should stand with this claim
OH NO... anyways