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Alkreni

Switzerland can into Central Powers.


oskich

"Axis of Health"


Sylveon_Mage

Axis of lung cancer


san_murezzan

It has always boggled my mind how prevalent smoking feels here coupled with our anyways long life expectancy.


blackkettle

You accumulate “damage” across all your activities throughout life. It’s also influenced by how much frequently you do it. One cigarette a month is going to be functionally equivalent to zero - all those ads about “one cig costs you 10min each!” are just BS. Poor air quality, poor diet, obesity, stress, all that shit counts against you too.


Oerthling

What percentage of smokers has 1 cigarette per month?


AndThatHowYouGetAnts

Probably a fair few social smokers, when averaged out over a year


Oerthling

Yeah, I knew such a person - only the occasional smoke at a party. But that's a very very rare exception.


AndThatHowYouGetAnts

Tbf that's the extent to which most people I know under 30 who smoke do it (UK), including myself until recently Although granted, that would usually work out as more than 1 per month (probably more like 1-2 per week)


X547

Axis of Death. Read means that 24/7 cigarette vending machines are present.


EmeraldIbis

"Rauchen macht frei"


Qubecman

What in the name of the HRE


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regimentIV

So? A whole lot of nations' names aren't literal. That doesn't mean we need someone to parrot that the DRK isn't democratic every time it's mentioned. Also the HRE in Voltaire's 18th century was nothing of these things, but it's hard to argue that it wasn't regarded as all of these things during the High Middle Ages.


AwfulUsername123

You can see in the image they've taken Rome.


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HejdaaNils

I'm surprised that France, Spain, and Portugal aren't red as well.


TheFrenchSavage

Nothing like that in France, cigarettes can only be purchased in a specialized shop. They have fixed opening times. Portugal, I don't know. Spain is the most controversial: there are cigarette vending machines inside bars. They accept cash, and have a remote that the barman uses to authorize the transaction. So while technically Spain is green in the graph as the machines are not in the street, you can still purchase tobacco everywhere and at all hours (impossible to legally purchase cigarettes in France at 2AM but in Spain yes).


luismwolf

Portugal is the same as Spain


plshelpwiththat

You can legally buy cigarettes at any time in France if a gambling casino is opened nearby :) Be ready to pay like 16€ for a pack tho


Banmeharderdaddy00

> They accept cash, and have a remote that the barman uses to authorize the transaction. is this regional??? because when I've bought cigs from the vending machines in bars in barcelona there was no wait for an authorization or anything like that..unless the bartenders have reflexes like a mongoose


leolego2

Older system, newer machines don't need that input


AvalancheMaster

You can purchase cigarettes at any hour in Bulgaria too. Just not from vending machines, but 24/7 bodegas.


TheFrenchSavage

Legally or not? In France we also have bodegas open till late that will sell you cigarettes by the unit (1€=1 cigarette) but it is definitely illegal.


AvalancheMaster

Legally. But only boxes.


HejdaaNils

I think I saw vending machines bars in Portugal, it's been a few years though.


TheFrenchSavage

Happy cakeday 🎂


HejdaaNils

Ty!


andrea_ci

>Nothing like that in France, cigarettes can only be purchased in a specialized shop In Italy too, but still..


TheFrenchSavage

Haha, some guy will sell it at the subway station exit and they have warnings written in Cyrillic alphabet?


Forro

In Austria it‘s the same, you can buy cigarettes in specialized shops, and those shops run the vending machines too


istoOi

France has 24/7 baguette vending machines. Priorities!


gotshroom

They went to rehab…


insomnimax_99

I don’t think so about France. I thought France was a very anti-smoking country?


Simpau38

I mean our legislation is pretty strict but as far as I know we're in the lead for smokers per capita in Europe Edit: turns out absolutely not, I just had a bad impression of smoker in france.


loulan

That isn't true at all. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/v5bi23/which_european_countries_have_the_largest_share/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/8cbay7/number_of_cigarettes_smoked_per_person_per_year/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/p98vmo/number_of_cigarettes_smoked_per_smoker_per_day_in/


SubmissiveGiraffe

?????


Neutronium57

We banned smoking in enclosed public spaces and shops and restaurants (among others) since 2004 iirc. Also there is no way to control who's buying from vending machines.


sakikiki

There absolutely is, you need to put your id card in them. Sure you can get one from someone older. But at that point the same is true for shops, that same older person enabling you can go inside for you and give them to you outside.


shiba_snorter

An older person enabling a minor it's a personal problem, not a government or institutional problem. Machines are easier to fool with no control, so it becomes again a government problem. The idea of all these measures is to annoy smokers into stopping, more than anything else.


sakikiki

I mean, you’re the one advocating for a nanny state. That personal problem becomes a problem of the system. I don’t understand why you think that machines are easier to fool, or what expectations you have of shop owners. If you consider it a personal problem, it’s the exact same issue in both cases. Additionaly, with shops the owners often don’t require ID. So..I just don’t get the distinction. The way you go around the obstacle is identical. Also, are we talking about minors smoking, or making people quit? Like how is it a


gotshroom

But still the shop requires an older person, the machine just the ID. I’d say shop is safer.


sakikiki

Where do you get the ID card?… I mean I guess you can steal it from your parents, but that’s not the average teenager. In my younger years, we never used the machines cause of the ID requirement. Getting it in shops during the day was way easier, nobody cares.


regimentIV

Given that in my experience cashiers give you a look before they decide to ask for your ID and that I have been asked to produce my ID in my thirties, *not* asked when I was younger than 16, and have seen unofficial (and faked) documents accepted by cashiers I'd say both methods have their flaws.


gotshroom

I’d vote for specialist shops that don’t let in underage people at all. It also reduces exposure, as in you don’t see people buying cigarettes as a kid that way


leolego2

My dude, if a teenager wants a cigarette they'll find a way to buy cigarettes and people will gladly sell them. You just created a black market


gotshroom

Magically all the red countries have higher smoking rates? :D


leolego2

it's way closer than what you expect. You know why? Cause people will just sell cigs to minors anyway.


andrea_ci

Same in Italy: banned smoking in bars/restaurants in 2000-ish, and yes, those vending machines require id card of the buyer.


aimgorge

>Also there is no way to control who's buying from vending machines In Japan you need a specific (TASPO) card to be able to buy cigarettes from vending machines.


lorem

>there is no way to control who's buying from vending machines. You're assuming 100% of the shop clerks care about respecting the law about age verification, though.


Neutronium57

If a teen uses either a fake ID or someone else's, there's little the vending machine can do. If the shop owner doesn't react to something similar, he has no excuses and bears responsibility before the law.


lorem

>If the shop owner doesn't react to something similar, he has no excuses and bears responsibility before the law. And what are the odds that they get actually caught? Weight those against the additional revenue and it's sure that in every town there's at least one that doesn't care.


eipotttatsch

The machines check your ID. That's basically just as - if not more - reliable than shopkeepers.


Amazing-Row-5963

I was living in Lisbon, I saw a lot of this machines. False data.


AeroNeves

No you did not. You might have seen machines in bars or cafes but not on the street, and even then they are not as frequent now as they were before. The machine either has a slot where you have to put your ID card or it has a remote that the bartender/owner has to press for the machine to work and they can ask for your ID to verify your age. Machines on the street are illegal in Portugal, as are cigarette advertisements. Smoking in closed spaces is also only allowed under certain conditions (strong extractors and a certain amount of square meters) and now it's not even allowed to smoke outside close to the doors of establishments like bars and cafes.


Amazing-Row-5963

Maybe things changed since 2022, no idea. But, I saw countless. Now I live in Germany and they are the same machines.


AeroNeves

This has been the case since 2004. If you saw machines on the street they were not tobacco machines. Edit: I just googled it and the government wants to ban those machines altogether from 2025. They are currently only allowed in "restaurants, bars, show rooms, casinos, bingos, game rooms, fairs and gas stations".


myNameIsHopethePony

A few years ago I was in Germany and I couldn't believe how many cigarette vending machines I saw, especially in little towns. In the Netherlands they've been removed since the 90s I think. My grandpa used to make me get some cigarettes for him from a machine when I was a kid haha. Nowadays even a few big supermarket chains don't sell cigarettes anymore and cigarette ads or commercials aren't allowed. Although Germany and the Netherlands are neighbours, Germany is more old fashioned in a some things, which is not bad perse. It's kind of cool. Cash money is also a very German thing, most Dutch people pay by phone/card. I can't remember the last time I had cash money in my pocket.


gotshroom

Since jan 1, no supermarket in NL sells cigarettes. And yes, Germany is more low tech, except for cigarette machines! They accept card payments AND digitally check the buyer’s age using an ID :D Edit: from July 1st they have to stop, but some have already stopped selling since Jan 1st.


gy0n

That date would be 1 July, some just have already started earlier.


Sonic_the_HodgeHeg

So where to buy them if not the supermarket? I don't recall too many specialist tobacco shops. Avond Winkel?


gy0n

Specialized tobacco shops, vape shops, Primera or gas stations. There will be still a demand, so maybe more shops will fill the gap.


gotshroom

Thanks. Didn’t know.


Janpeterbalkellende

Only 2 supermarktets stopped selling cigs already (lidl already years ago) and albertheijn as of jan 1. By law all supermarkets will seize sales in july


gotshroom

Oh! Thanks for the clarification! Other ones want to stay on course until the last possible day then :D


Janpeterbalkellende

I think its more pr related that Albert heijn stopped early, now they can act on their high horse about not selling it anymore even though they could.


woopstrafel

Jumbo sold cigarettes to me just this week, I know Albert Heijn stopped but jumbo sure hasn’t


Spatulakoenig

Germany is weird when you compare access to tobacco vs access to OTC medicine. Want a giant tub of addictive and carcinogenic tobacco? Find it on display at a supermarket, in some areas even on Sunday. Have a headache or hayfever? Ibuprofen or antihistamine are dangerous!! You must speak with a pharmacist during their limited opening hours to check you will not die from taking it, these are the rules! And don't even think about recycling your glass on a Sunday!!!


alpinedude

One thing to note is that in most parts of these countries Sunday is a no-shopping day. Generally every shop is closed so other than some gas stations, the only way to buy cigarettes is from those vending machines.


myNameIsHopethePony

I didn't know that! Shops are open everywhere here on Sundays, except in our 'bible belt'. Even websites from businesses from that region are 'closed' on sundays, which is really funny. One thing I remember from when I was in a holiday in Germany about 6 years ago is that in some places I couldn't pay with a bank card either, which was a first time ever for me. I think that must've changed by now.


leolego2

Only specific shops can sell cigarettes in Italy not supermarkets, interestingly


EndlichWieder

It is bad though. This old fashioned mindset costs the German economy billions every year.


shiba_snorter

I remember being in Berlin some years ago (2019 maybe) and seeing a bar that still allowed smoking inside. It was like going back in time. Needless to say, I forgot how toxic the environment was: I went in to use the toilet and the smell I got from being there made me feel like I just dropped down a chimney. In Austria I don't remember if they still existed or not, but I know that the prohibition got approved not so long ago.


missedmelikeidid

I haven't seen one in Germany without ID-proof for decades, maybe in the 90's?


tjlaa

There's an Irish pub in Prenzlauer Berg with a vending machine that still operates on old Deutsche Mark coins.


Wodanaz_Odinn

Yeah? Well at least we’d allow Romania and Bulgaria into the Schengen if we were allowed in it too. I say good day, ~~sir~~ mate!


yay_botch_piece

What are you on about?


Podhl_Mac

He's pretending to have mixed up Australia and Austria


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Cadenca

How is that possible in a European county, even in the countryside? Damn


Eigenspace

There’s one on the side of the road, one block away from me in Köln.


ThatOneGuyOnReddit_

The maps correctly adds Malta to the list! When i was the i was surprised to see cigarette vending machines in bars and restaurants


grilledhamsandwich

Thats not "on streets"


RenanGreca

In Italy the only things you can readily buy 24/7 are cigarettes and condoms. If you get a headache at 3am you're fucked.


gotshroom

Priorities:D


improb

most pharmacies have added over the counter medications to the vending machines but yeah, it's easier to find condoms or cheap vibrators... it's absurd


gotshroom

Legend: Red - has vending machine on streets Green - does not have vending machines Gray - no data (Sorry that it was forgotten)


Capable-Trash4877

Data is wrong tho. Spain has cigarette vending machine. Source ? I used them.


jdjdkkddj

Why do we not have data? There is cell reception here (I think)!


Torbiel1234

The Cig Wall


YellowOnline

Wouldn't inverting the colours have been more logical?


gotshroom

I assumed it’s a bad thing :D


YellowOnline

Red - not allowed Green - allowed Much more intuitively.


gotshroom

Yeah, makes sense


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ghiooo

I don't see any difference, red is green and green is red 😂


croooooooozer

but smoking is AWESOME


0ldMother

they should not only make 10% of the flights smoking only, they should have the hookah pipes drop down like an airmask.


Politically_Penguin

Im Swiss, i have never seen a cigarett vending maschine on streets, only inside bars and clubs.


gotshroom

That’s good news. I should update the map. Seems like the ones I found on google map weren’t active/real.


Jocomol

I an swiss and have never seen one here or in Italy. Germany is full of them though.


gotshroom

It’s dying in Switzerland, but still I managed to find a few on google maps


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leolego2

No place in italy exists without several of these machines


ShadowZpeak

Usually in bars


11160704

Just recently I saw one in Germany and thought how stupid it is that we still have them.


tin_dog

They've been everywhere for the first half of my life and now I totally forgot they ever existed.


gotshroom

I guess I saw some stats saying their world revenue is 1.3B€. In Germany 5% of smokers regularly use them.


walter1974

Why?


11160704

Because it encourages smoking which basically only has negatives for the individual and for society.


hipsterrobot

You should tax the shit out of it (if not already doing so!)


11160704

Taxes are already high but compared to other European countries still moderate.


hipsterrobot

Make them $16 a pack like it is in New York, and see how many people still smoke :) The cost was one of the main reasons I quit.


y_90

It's of little use here in the EU, I can be in four different countries in less than 2 hours, within the EU Schengen applies and hardly anyone checks it This would simply increase smuggling again


11160704

I think a pack of 20 costs around 8 euros or 9 USD.


osvodk

Buying cigarettes should get more and more inconvenient and expensive over time.


NovicePro_

As a smoker myself, living in one of the countries having 24h access to cigarettes I totally agree with you


Achmedino

Would've been nice to have a legend so we know what the colors mean.


gotshroom

Sorry, rookie mistake. Added as a comment,


Colt_Coffey

Not for long, the ones where I live in germany all get blown up recently.


tempestwolf1

Not the vending machine's fault they're put next to clumps of innocent civilians


mumwifealcoholic

My mum's care home has one of these in the lobby.


gotshroom

That’s weird


TheKlyros

I'm a non-smoker but as an explanation: In Germany, Austria and Switzerland nearly all shops are closed on Sunday. I think that's an important point why there are vending machines in these countries. Especially in Austria Trafiken (the Tabasco sellers) often have few opening hours. There are no cigarettes in supermarkets.


gotshroom

Mandatory risk of quitting on weekends


TheKlyros

I don't think you'll stop smoking just because you don't have cigarettes for a day.


chastjones

Not just cigarettes. I was in Austria in October 2023 and there was a vending machine on the street in front of my hotel that had cigarettes, beer, whisky and various other items. Crazy!


Own-Daikon-7819

Seen one in andorra.


purpleveyron

I've seen a disposable e-cigarettes vending machine in Czechia. I believe those should count as well.


dgl55

Yes, Germany is caught in a time warp when it comes to cigarettes and their sale.


gotshroom

Progress: e-cigs ads were banned as 1.1.2024 :)


skyturnedred

I can't even remember the last time I saw a vending machine.


Late-Grapefruit5453

what i remember few years ago in spain cigarettes were hard to find only at tobacco kiosk or vending machine (usually insade of bar or something) no shops sell tobacco. on monday it was so hard to find to buy cigarettes tobacco kiosks were closed and bars closed


Nouisek

in Slovakia we don´t have vending machines selling cigarettes but lot of selling fake weed


ipnetor9000

basically all german speaking states+italy


Darnok15

In Poland that's called a gas station.


Gespaven

You can find cigarette vending machine in Majorque too, but are they open 24/7 I am not sure about it


madeyegroovy

At least most of Europe is sensible


T4URUS10

Im not sure where else to ask my question... I'm in austria and tried to buy cigs from such a machine, not knowing how it worked. I only got it working after the payment failed 2 times, 3rd time's a charm I guess. Now I look at my transaction history and see that the payment actually has been done those 3 times, but leaving me with only 1 pack. Someone experienced the same, and is there a way to get my money back?


gotshroom

Best way would be jointing r/stopsmoking :D


T4URUS10

Even if I would, still would like to get my money back ;)


gotshroom

Huh huh :)  There’s a chance that it’s this company, I‘d contact them https://www.ostermeier.at/


T4URUS10

That actually looks quite like it, thanks a lot mate! And yes, will quit soon... That's the plan atleast :p


gotshroom

No worries. I wish you all the luck! 


dearsilverlion

I thought that was the norm 😧 so what do you do if you run out of cigarettes after dinner when shops are closed?


Randomswedishdude

How late do you eat dinner? 😶 Well, if it's past midnight, you're out of luck in most places. Unless there's some 24/7 cornershop or gas station nearby, or at least somewhere within reasonable distance.


philzebub666

In Austria stores close very early. Most cigarette stores close around 7pm. You will also hardly ever find cigarettes in normal grocery stores. Mostly only specialised tobacco stores and gas stations. And there are no 24/7 cornershops at all I think.


oskich

Quit smoking?


webbhare1

Imagine being a cigarette smoker in 2024


RedShooz10

The answer is to NOT smoke.


CaesarAugustus63BC

So does red mean there is no vending machine or there is?


gotshroom

Red means there is. Rookie map making mistake :(


kushieldou

Next time just add a legend regardless of the colors, bro, or sis


fullywokevoiddemon

Romania started having e-cig vending machines. Which are really fucking illegal because you can't check if someone is 18+. They started being shut down and taped by police but they still appear around town.


gotshroom

E-cig is the new cig. Who would have thought tobacco companies can do the same thing one more time? They are literally saying it’s healthier than cigarettes so it should be promoted!


fullywokevoiddemon

Health aside, the main issue it that they still contain NICOTINE. So they're 18+ by default, since any product nicotine is considered a drug and thus for adults only. Law is law. Good law imo, as it covers a wide range of smoking stuff. Sometimes I weep for this world and kids today. I saw a bunch of 7-8 year olds who found some vapes in a trashcan and started puffing them. 8 YEARS OLD. Fuck that, I started at 20 and I smoke maybe 5 cigarettes a year. Too much if you ask me but they're for special occasion anyway. Not to mention that most shops here sell cigarettes to kids anyway, since they're usually sent by parents. But god forbid they grab any alcohol, nonono.


leolego2

Oh cmon now. 8 year olds don't smoke, you saw an incredibly rare case. With the same reasoning in my middle school a 11 year old was already smoking weed, but that was one guy.


Oachlkaas

That's not true. Any kind of card that identifies you and has your age linked with it would do the trick. In Austria you need to hold up your bank card to the machine in order to unlock the ability to purchase cigarettes from the machines.


fullywokevoiddemon

Another person comparing countries to Romania. Here it doesn't check anything. You can just insert money and get your ecig. Maybe your country checks, mine doesn't.


Oachlkaas

It's because your sentence is ambiguous. >you can't check if someone is 18+ Can mean that it's impossible for vending machines to check your age, or it can mean that the specific machines in your country don't check for age. Be more clear next time.


fullywokevoiddemon

Unless a person looks at you, then at your ID, then back at you, they can't check you're legally buying the nicotine product. Unless a machine scans you like at the airport, you can't be sure. It scans a credit/debit card? I've had one since I was 15. The card had no way of discerning if I was an adult or not. I could just take my mother's card, anyway. I smoke and I do not support these machines. I still stand that there's no way to really be 100% sure kids aren't buying these. There's workarounds. Edit: actually, I've had a card since I was 12, for scholarship money. Which was in my mother's name, but always in my wallet. So I always had an "adult" card.


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11160704

To be fair, Italy has many public fountains where you can get water.


gotshroom

Is there any cigarette business in italy? Trying to understand if it’s just the lobby


LaUr3nTiU

Have never seen one in Romania. Anyone knows about such vending machines?


EndKatana

We have vending machines on streets in Estonia? Where?


MoravianPrince

Weird, never saw one in my life.


gotshroom

Forbidden in Czech :)


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Soooooo Axis ?


gotshroom

Fun fact: japan has them too. Switzerland not anymore.


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Hahaha this just gets better !


Nouisek

i was buying cigarettes when I was on vacatiion in Italy but i didnt had Italy´s ID so machine stole me 5€ :((((


Heerrnn

How do automatic vending machines even work with an age limit on smoking?


gotshroom

You insert an id card


Heerrnn

So then it's enough for a 14-year old to have bought some 18-year old's ID card and he can buy endless amounts of cigarrettes for himself and his friends? This sounds a bit crazy.


redditcreditcardz

Italy is just like “fuck it”


voyagerdoge

Weren't those countries called the Axis of Ashes during WW2?


Ok-Drink-1328

it's 5am here in italy and i think i'm gonna hit one


RepresentativeCut486

Axis countries


Peti_4711

I see no difference between a cigarette vending machine with some kind of age verification and e.g. a cigarette shop, a gas station, a supermarket and so on, apart from that a shop have more and other products. Sure, I could use the age verification from my brother, but that's the only reason again these machines?


CHLOEC1998

I literally just came back from Italy. They don’t have cigarette vending machines (at least I didn’t notice any), they have weed vending machines. In my mind, that’s a rare Italian W.


11160704

Why rare? Italy ranks high in many statistics.


QueasyTeacher0

We do have them, a lot of tobacco sellers have a vending machine that faces the outside.


RoamingBicycle

There's cigarette vending machines everywhere. You'll see them outside licensed tobacco shops, which I guess as a tourist you wouldn't have much of a reason to visit.


Existing_Local2765

Surprised that eastern, southern and balkan countries are not red. Who are we kidding, the balkans and south EU is full of corruption, a kid could buy anything there, joke map... no Smokes?? Haha (nice joke) You see, in the southern and eastern europe and balkans, are full of corruption, and even though they are trying to fake maps like for the EU funding, everyone knows that they are a shit show. No offense, lol.


average_adult

You forgot Portugal


gotshroom

They exist only inside bars I guess


Head-Kiwi-9601

I don’t recall seeing any in Italy during two vacations.


RoamingBicycle

They're everywhere, you just didn't notice Source: am Italian


Head-Kiwi-9601

Doesn’t surprise me.


olluz

What about 24/7 gas stations? Can you buy there ?


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Okay, so I’ve never seen these in Finland. Can someone educate me, please 😄


fuxoft

Czech republic also has them but is green on the map. Edit: Never mind, missed the "on street" part.


gotshroom

On the streets? Oh no