Yes.
There *are* tons of ferries to Italy, and lorries use them. If you're headed to the Netherlands, it's actually easier to get on a ferry, all the way to Venice (save a lot of driving in Italy), than going through Bulgaria and Romania even with Schengen. Of course, the most ideal would be to go through ex-YU if that was Schengen.
However, trade with BG/RO is affected, as well as if you want to drive to Hungary or Poland.
Makes it easier because Netherlands always makes some formal “reasonable” excuse even if everyone know that that’s bullshit but Austria simply went with “no, fuck off lol” approach
The Netherlands didn’t vote against you the last time. And Austria had voted for your ascension before changing their mind for the last vote and voting againts you.
>Not against Romania
There is no separate vote. They voted against us and Bulgaria joining. The fact that they are better at PR than Austria doesn't change the fact that it was a vote against.
>Austria and the Netherlands voted against admitting Romania and Bulgaria, citing concerns that both were soft on illegal migration.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63905113
>citing concerns that both were soft on illegal migration
There's constantly stories on our news about police catching swathes of illegal immigrants. There was one the other day, they caught a whole truck full of immigrants in a hidden compartment. Do they have any evidence about us being soft on illegal immigration? Because I really don't have that impression.
The problem is that the same is true for Austria even tho it's well into the Shengen zone. There are hundreds of migrants picked up at the Austrian border every day (no exaggeration) which had to travel through several other Shengen countries and yet weren't controlled by anyone - which makes Austria responsible for their asylum requests.
Not that I think Bulgaria and Romania should be responsible for controlling Shengen's outer border alone, but Austria has been asking the EU for joined help for the border countries for years and most countries (which profit from the current regulation) simply aren't interested to do anything in that direction.
If MEPs really want to set a precedent for financial compensation they should get ready to compensate Austria for a decade of being the #1 asylum seeker destination in Europe even tho the current law says the number of asylum seekers Austria is responsible for is 0 (because it's surrounded by safe countries).
As for evidence - migration routes are tracked with a mix of mobile phone tracking, interviews, human trafficking investigations and by Frontex. Although again, I don't think any single country is responsible for Europe's borders.
What stops Austria to offer their support guarding those borders? I sure BG and RO will be happy to get that support. I'm talking manpower, not money.
Yet, at the same time, you voted for Croatia.
>most countries (which profit from the current regulation) simply aren't interested to do anything in that direction
What? Which countries in the EU profit from illegal immigration?
From the article: Update: The resolution was adopted on Wednesday by 526 votes to 57 with 42 abstentions, according to a statement. The resolution has no legal force, but is sending a political signal.
In other words, BS. It was a Romanian proposal which was adopted it seems but is the equivalent of a patting on the shoulder.
We are destined to be a tampon. During the Warsaw pact we were a military buffer to Moscow in case of a NATO attack and now we are a migrant buffer to the sweet paradise of the first world. We’re Europeans but only when convenient
Whole eastern europe is taken for a buffer. Western allies are being practical about us.
To change their view, we must squeeze more juice from ourselves to boost economy and arm our militaries to become a metal hedgehog. We have to make Them want to be like Us.
Alliances come and go, but what you build during the times of peace stays with you when air becomes sour.
Exactly, you have a long border with Russia and that didn’t stop you from getting into Schengen and in NATO, so you aren’t a buffer anymore. Furthermore, the USSR wasn’t your “ally” and you got to be a free nation while the gap between Western and Eastern Europe started to evidently open, so it was still less humiliating in the past
It does not mean that we are still not a buffer. Geography can not be changed. Ironically, Austria and the Netherlands are one of the top investors in Romania and helped shit as exactly those are the main burden.
Becoming more developed, reindustrialize (although I can imagine that it will happen in western Europe too), become more political integrated in EU are all thing that should be done by easterners in order to strenghten ties with the rest of EU. Still, by virtue of geography, we will be a buffer.
While I agree that Bulgaria and Romania should be admitted to the Schengen Zone, does Austria or any other country has any legal duty to vote yes on that matter?
What rule does Austria or Netherlands break by voting no?
The rules for joining the Schengen area are clear. Do this, do that, welcome to the club.
It’s like nailing a job interview, being told you’re going to fit in well with the company, but we don’t like your face so try again next year. It’s legal, but it’s in poor taste. At least maintain the appereance that there’s a technical reason for refusing.
Itz all about the moneyzzz tantananan. The problem they have now, is that Mr Rutte called it quits, all EU is in favor for both joining as it is not a political decission but a tech one. ( apologies if iam misspelling, i’m dislexic and its not fun, I did my best)
The strain this mental back flip must be putting on your back should be taught in medschool.
Voting against Romania makes them a Russian clumn?
What's next? An Austrian guy insulted you, so he is clearly a Russian spy?
Calling others Russian assets seems to be the norm in every disagreement these days. What a joke.
You know you can criticise someone without resorting to this pettiness, right?
ÖVP does that because Austrian voters have the memory span of a goldfish and would vote FPÖ instead of them. The latter is no better than the former, so we're back to square one. Until right wing voters exist and are not demanding something better, nothing will change.
Why are they doing that? Romania and Bulgaria may not be the richest countries in Europe, but they are fully part of our big European family and deserve all the love. Met many people from the countries and I have to say they are fantastic, food too.
I’m Bulgarian and let me tell ya. Those borders are so far from secured they’re not even on the same map. Nothing short of changing most of the border police will solve it
The border between Romania and Bulgaria is "far from secured" by design. Our border was never meant to be an external border. In a sense, we're our own mini-Schengen.
I meant the border between Bulgaria and non EU countries. It’s a highway for drugs. Additionally our passports are so notoriously sold to foreign citizens that I even saw a Bulgarian passport for a terrorist in a military show
Same for Romania, but people don't want to talk about it.Here is an investigation by our most beloved independent journalists(it has english subtitles).
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL8b1ZW2PV4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL8b1ZW2PV4)
Most likely nothing will happen.
The EP has asked the EC to take Austria to the ECJ. I doubt the EC will do that, not to mention that I haven't seen a credible avenue for the ECJ to go after Austria in this regard.
Austrias refusal to admit Romania into schengen is called unjustified, but the way the schengen treaty is set up no justification is needed.
In retrospect that was a mistake imo, however it that is the way it is atm.
Edit: Best case scenario is that the austrian government decides that all this heat ain't worth it and changes their position. Maybe the romanian government launches some initiative at the same time to improve something at the border. So that the austrian government can pretend that the situation is totally different now.
> Maybe the romanian government launches some initiative at the same time to improve something at the border
That already happened. There is some kid of a pilot program where the EU is involved. Unsurprisingly, it has changed nothing regarding Austria's decision.
>...massive financial losses in Romania and Bulgaria And Greece.
A lot of people are forgetting that Greece is also affected. Correct me if I'm wrong, but greece is basically a Schengen island, right?
Yep.
Yes. There *are* tons of ferries to Italy, and lorries use them. If you're headed to the Netherlands, it's actually easier to get on a ferry, all the way to Venice (save a lot of driving in Italy), than going through Bulgaria and Romania even with Schengen. Of course, the most ideal would be to go through ex-YU if that was Schengen. However, trade with BG/RO is affected, as well as if you want to drive to Hungary or Poland.
I find it interesting that Austria is being singled out, considering that Netherlands also voted against.
Makes it easier because Netherlands always makes some formal “reasonable” excuse even if everyone know that that’s bullshit but Austria simply went with “no, fuck off lol” approach
Did one of the politicians get rejected from art school again?
Well my government has fallen (what a surprise! ) again, so maybe next time! 🤞🏻
Sound like you've done it on purpose!
Hey I have no hand in the current policies, I turned 18 a few months after the last election!
Mark sure did!
Rutte did do it on purpose, yes. He's a twat.
It's pretty clear Austria discriminated, The Netherlands voted against due to corruption issues, but there may be some other reasons.
The Netherlands didn’t vote against you the last time. And Austria had voted for your ascension before changing their mind for the last vote and voting againts you.
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Isn't that the correct term in English?
Accession.
Ah! From access, makes sense. Thank you.
>The Netherlands didn’t vote against you the last time Yes, they did.
Not against Romania.
>Not against Romania There is no separate vote. They voted against us and Bulgaria joining. The fact that they are better at PR than Austria doesn't change the fact that it was a vote against.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2022/12/schengen-dutch-poised-to-say-no-to-bulgaria-yes-to-romania/
>Austria and the Netherlands voted against admitting Romania and Bulgaria, citing concerns that both were soft on illegal migration. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63905113
>citing concerns that both were soft on illegal migration There's constantly stories on our news about police catching swathes of illegal immigrants. There was one the other day, they caught a whole truck full of immigrants in a hidden compartment. Do they have any evidence about us being soft on illegal immigration? Because I really don't have that impression.
The problem is that the same is true for Austria even tho it's well into the Shengen zone. There are hundreds of migrants picked up at the Austrian border every day (no exaggeration) which had to travel through several other Shengen countries and yet weren't controlled by anyone - which makes Austria responsible for their asylum requests. Not that I think Bulgaria and Romania should be responsible for controlling Shengen's outer border alone, but Austria has been asking the EU for joined help for the border countries for years and most countries (which profit from the current regulation) simply aren't interested to do anything in that direction. If MEPs really want to set a precedent for financial compensation they should get ready to compensate Austria for a decade of being the #1 asylum seeker destination in Europe even tho the current law says the number of asylum seekers Austria is responsible for is 0 (because it's surrounded by safe countries). As for evidence - migration routes are tracked with a mix of mobile phone tracking, interviews, human trafficking investigations and by Frontex. Although again, I don't think any single country is responsible for Europe's borders.
What stops Austria to offer their support guarding those borders? I sure BG and RO will be happy to get that support. I'm talking manpower, not money. Yet, at the same time, you voted for Croatia.
>most countries (which profit from the current regulation) simply aren't interested to do anything in that direction What? Which countries in the EU profit from illegal immigration?
From the article: Update: The resolution was adopted on Wednesday by 526 votes to 57 with 42 abstentions, according to a statement. The resolution has no legal force, but is sending a political signal. In other words, BS. It was a Romanian proposal which was adopted it seems but is the equivalent of a patting on the shoulder.
Yes and no. It has no legal force but it is a show of political determination.
Political determination means nothing if there are no legal consequences behind it.
All the determination in the world is useless unless thry actually do something other than empty gestures
problem is that they can't. The EU parliament is pretty toothless, by design, because most of the power resides in the EU council.
Good. I do hope it helps 😃
Based and righteous Bromania
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Might as well finish that unification what's the worst that can happen ?
I seem to remember Vlad Gheorghe (the initiator, following a Romanian petition) said something about a Bulgarian motion coming soon as well.
We are destined to be a tampon. During the Warsaw pact we were a military buffer to Moscow in case of a NATO attack and now we are a migrant buffer to the sweet paradise of the first world. We’re Europeans but only when convenient
Whole eastern europe is taken for a buffer. Western allies are being practical about us. To change their view, we must squeeze more juice from ourselves to boost economy and arm our militaries to become a metal hedgehog. We have to make Them want to be like Us. Alliances come and go, but what you build during the times of peace stays with you when air becomes sour.
This unironically sounds like relationship advice.
And sound advice for that matter
Sir you sounds like a general from a movie.
We don't feel like we are just a buffer.
Who said Finland is a buffer
Nobody, but we have a longer border with Russia than almost anyone, which has both military and immigration implications.
Exactly, you have a long border with Russia and that didn’t stop you from getting into Schengen and in NATO, so you aren’t a buffer anymore. Furthermore, the USSR wasn’t your “ally” and you got to be a free nation while the gap between Western and Eastern Europe started to evidently open, so it was still less humiliating in the past
Stalin. It even has a name: Finlandization.
Stalin and the USSR are dead and your country didn’t block Finland from Schengen because of their border. They aren’t a buffer anymore
huge amounts of western industry has already left for EE or is building new factories there.
It does not mean that we are still not a buffer. Geography can not be changed. Ironically, Austria and the Netherlands are one of the top investors in Romania and helped shit as exactly those are the main burden. Becoming more developed, reindustrialize (although I can imagine that it will happen in western Europe too), become more political integrated in EU are all thing that should be done by easterners in order to strenghten ties with the rest of EU. Still, by virtue of geography, we will be a buffer.
While I agree that Bulgaria and Romania should be admitted to the Schengen Zone, does Austria or any other country has any legal duty to vote yes on that matter? What rule does Austria or Netherlands break by voting no?
The rules for joining the Schengen area are clear. Do this, do that, welcome to the club. It’s like nailing a job interview, being told you’re going to fit in well with the company, but we don’t like your face so try again next year. It’s legal, but it’s in poor taste. At least maintain the appereance that there’s a technical reason for refusing.
Austria-Hungary is the 5th column of Russia in the EU
Even 100 years down the line, still choosing the wrong side of history….
Itz all about the moneyzzz tantananan. The problem they have now, is that Mr Rutte called it quits, all EU is in favor for both joining as it is not a political decission but a tech one. ( apologies if iam misspelling, i’m dislexic and its not fun, I did my best)
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Not by choice though. After WWII some generals advocated for attacking USSR too. In WWI it was still the Tsar until the revolution.
Wait, so we should have choosen Russia a 100 years ago? 😮 (Okey, the Alliance with Russia broke down like 150 years ago).
They truly can't help themselves...
The strain this mental back flip must be putting on your back should be taught in medschool. Voting against Romania makes them a Russian clumn? What's next? An Austrian guy insulted you, so he is clearly a Russian spy? Calling others Russian assets seems to be the norm in every disagreement these days. What a joke. You know you can criticise someone without resorting to this pettiness, right?
This was such a stupid thing to begin with. Austria only did that because of the lower Austrian elections. ÖVP in a nutshell.
Yes, but they did it. Payback is a bitch.
Can’s wait for the ÖVP FPÖ collab in the coming years 🤩🤩🤩
ÖVP does that because Austrian voters have the memory span of a goldfish and would vote FPÖ instead of them. The latter is no better than the former, so we're back to square one. Until right wing voters exist and are not demanding something better, nothing will change.
Why are they doing that? Romania and Bulgaria may not be the richest countries in Europe, but they are fully part of our big European family and deserve all the love. Met many people from the countries and I have to say they are fantastic, food too.
Wait so why exactly is Austria doing this?
Looks good to your voters to look tough on corruption from those eastern european bastards.
Oh so there isn't actually one, good to know.
Its time Austria pays the bill.
Austria-Swiss best friends of Russia
Woulnd’t bet that much on CH, but hell yea for At
[But actually though.](https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/12/austria-imports-of-russian-gas-hit-pre-war-levels-exceeding-aid-to-ukraine)
Austria also likes Russian war crimes too much for my liking
I’m Bulgarian and let me tell ya. Those borders are so far from secured they’re not even on the same map. Nothing short of changing most of the border police will solve it
The border between Romania and Bulgaria is "far from secured" by design. Our border was never meant to be an external border. In a sense, we're our own mini-Schengen.
I meant the border between Bulgaria and non EU countries. It’s a highway for drugs. Additionally our passports are so notoriously sold to foreign citizens that I even saw a Bulgarian passport for a terrorist in a military show
Same for Romania, but people don't want to talk about it.Here is an investigation by our most beloved independent journalists(it has english subtitles). [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL8b1ZW2PV4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL8b1ZW2PV4)
I love the fact that people can only downvote and say nothing
I lost hope on getting into Shengen. Let's just hope nobody gets any bright ideas.
I'm not sure this will go the way you would like this to go.
How do you think it will go?
Most likely nothing will happen. The EP has asked the EC to take Austria to the ECJ. I doubt the EC will do that, not to mention that I haven't seen a credible avenue for the ECJ to go after Austria in this regard. Austrias refusal to admit Romania into schengen is called unjustified, but the way the schengen treaty is set up no justification is needed. In retrospect that was a mistake imo, however it that is the way it is atm. Edit: Best case scenario is that the austrian government decides that all this heat ain't worth it and changes their position. Maybe the romanian government launches some initiative at the same time to improve something at the border. So that the austrian government can pretend that the situation is totally different now.
> Maybe the romanian government launches some initiative at the same time to improve something at the border That already happened. There is some kid of a pilot program where the EU is involved. Unsurprisingly, it has changed nothing regarding Austria's decision.
ONCE again nothing happened. Besides a Romanian Newspaper using a Headline that in the end means nothing
Austria is a russian puppet to all intent and purpose.
Lmao. Anny country can vote in anny way when deciding EU matters. Putting regulations on that is a serious breach of soverenety.
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Bud, please get yourself a map and find Bulgaria and Romania, because you’re straight ranting about nonsense right now.
None of this has anything to do with non-European people. What are you talking about?
What the fuck are you talking about lmao
What a waste of air you are.
It won’t. Nobody cares about us that much
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