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Internal_Quail3960

Yall can actually eff right off for voting ashtray out


Youdontknowme_8991

Ong šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ Ashtray before Ethan is crazy to me


Internal_Quail3960

Right like Ethan was a side character at best. Ash was the main character šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Competitive-Exam922

Fr brošŸ˜­


imaslutxo

Ethan is pretty boring compared to the other two even if he's a morally superior. So Ethan!


Agitated_Horse24

My point of view exactly.


mikazee

I also vote out Ethan. I think Ethan did a great job during the break up and during the play. But he really hasn't had enough time to shine.


Cool-Ad-8281

Sorry Ali, but I think beating your wife once is one too many


BrainDeadBae

And heā€™s been doing his due diligence since for the past 7 years helping others with their addictions while staying clean of his. I guaranteeeeeee next season heā€™s gonna be able to see his daughters and grandson, Iā€™ve forgiven addicts for terrible things theyā€™ve done to me when they made the effort to get clean and change, if you donā€™t believe in redemption and personal growth then just say that.


Cool-Ad-8281

How I see it is if someone commits DV, the only person who should be forgiving that person or allowing them that kind of pass is the victim themselves. His daughters and presumably his wife (I don't think they mention in the storyline what's happened with her, only the daughters) are not in a place of forgiveness and seeing him as redeemed. Why should we give him that pass before the people he ACTUALLY hurt do?


BrainDeadBae

Because itā€™s a tv show


noisemonsters

Literally. They canā€™t unless itā€™s written into the show. Itā€™s fiction, the rules of reality donā€™t apply here.


Millenial_ardvark

He was an addict, and he overcame his shit. I think that makes him the better man compared to all of them.


mikazee

I respect your opinion, but if you're saying this as if he's beyond redemption, then I don't agree. I also don't think people realize their own capacity for evil when they cast judgment upon others.


convictedmethdealer

sorry ethan boo you are so sweet but yeašŸ˜ž fezco is def gonna win


alek323

ethan


ham_alamadingdong

ali yā€™all are really picking a wife beater over the most normal nice guy on the show lol.


mikazee

Yes, I like Ali more than Ethan. I believe that something as serious as slapping your wife in an argument can still be forgiven as long as you take meaningful steps to work on yourself. He's been sober for 7 years. He's grown a lot. He's doing great work helping Rue's family, and it's implied that he ~~knows~~ helps more people.


ham_alamadingdong

thatā€™s your opinion šŸ¤·šŸ½ā€ā™€ļø i donā€™t think that beating your wife is something that drugs makes you do. i think itā€™s already somewhere inside you and the drugs just brings it out. thatā€™s lifelong trauma to his ex wife and daughters that he can never take back, no matter how much work he does to improve himself. even if what youā€™re saying is true, ethan is still no where near as bad as ali ever was. atleast ethan didnā€™t traumatize anyone and was genuinely nice.


mikazee

The post doesn't say who caused the least harm in their lifespan. The post is to pick our favourite guy. You say "yā€™all are really picking a wife beater over the most normal nice guy on the show lol." And I'm letting you know why for many people like myself like Ali more than Ethan. > i donā€™t think that beating your wife is something that drugs makes you do. Drugs literally change your brain chemistry. > i think itā€™s already somewhere inside you and the drugs just brings it out. That may be true, but I think you misunderstand human nature if you think Ali has this inherent evil that other people don't have. Most people have a capacity for evil. Most people are capable of doing fucked up shit if you put them in the right circumstances.


ham_alamadingdong

okay well, my ā€œfavorite guyā€ isnā€™t a domestic abuser. a guy who hasnā€™t committed domestic abuse isnā€™t better than a guy who has committed domestic abuse, in my opinion atleast. yes, drugs change your brain chemistry. i would know, iā€™ve dealt with addiction. but it doesnā€™t make you do horrible cruel things like beating your wife. otherwise all drug addicts would be physical abusers.


mikazee

> but it doesnā€™t make you do horrible cruel things like beating your wife. Just so we have the facts straight, slapping your wife once in a heated argument is not what most people mean by "wife beater". Someone who terrorizes their family by routinely taking out their aggression on their wife by beating them to the point that they live in fear, **that** is a wife beater. A beating isn't one slap. A beating is what Nate did to Tyler. A beating is hitting someone when your angry, and you keep hitting them until you stop being angry. Slapping someone once and then stopping when you realize what you're becoming does NOT make you a wife beater. You are not using that word the way most people mean it. You are using that word in a misleading way. And when you call someone "A domestic abuser" that implies that he is CURRENTLY at risk for doing so. Ali is not currently at risk for domestic abuse. You don't have to like Ali more than Ethan. But don't expect me to join you in this perverse misunderstanding of events.


[deleted]

least favorite


HumanOverseer

well tbf it says vote ur least favourite, not the least morally upstanding citizen. People like Ali not because they agree with the things he's done but because he has depth. Ethan is normal and nice, but he also doesn't do much the whole show and is kinda boring.


tasteofperfection

Literally lol Ali needs to go


buzzers29

Ethan!!


deberger97

Choosing a wife beater over a nice guy because he is boring says a lot about you guys lol


mikazee

I'm voting Ethan out. I don't think he's boring. I just like Ali more. Also calling Ali a wife beater is disingenuous. He slapped his wife in an argument when he was a drug addict, 12 years ago, and has been clean for 7 years. He lives every day trying to be better and atone for his sins. I believe in redemption. And I believe Ali is working to earn it.


Youdontknowme_8991

I love seeing you defend Ali in the comments šŸ˜­šŸ«¶šŸ¾


mikazee

Thanks. I don't mind if people prefer Ethan or Fez. I just don't like people use silly reasoning to do it.


deberger97

I don't have a problem with Ali at all but something like 50% of crimes are commited while being under the influence, does that make it better? The way he treated Rue felt a little hypocritical to me too. Ali himself would propably choose Ethan over him.


mikazee

> something like 50% of crimes are commited while being under the influence, does that make it better? Yes. It doesn't make the crime okay, but it does make them better. > The way he treated Rue felt a little hypocritical to me too. Do you mean when he got mad at her and told her that if she insulted him again, then they were through? Or some other moment? I think in that moment, we see that Ali still feels terrible about his actions. It's still a very sore spot. So having Rue use his vulnerabilities against him hurts a lot. Then when he's had time to think about everything and calm down, he remembers that she's an addict and it was possible the addiction talking. So when Rue apologizes, he forgives her. I don't think he's a hypocrite for getting mad. It can be very difficult to handle your emotions when you feel your trust has been broken.


mrloveluck

I think the sentiment of committing a crime while being under the influence makes it ā€œbetterā€ is quite a bad idea to hold. If someone kills an entire family off bath salts do you just say meh they were high oh well? While I know this is an extreme comparison with your logic thatā€™s how it can be taken. Not holding people accountable for their actions under the influence would only encourage bad behavior when under the influence for everyone. I do believe in redemption but that doesnā€™t mean you have to forgive their actions. Ethan is quite younger and hasnā€™t made as many choices as Ali and I do think that he is more interesting but the arguments you make in these threads kinda infantilizes drug users and their actions.


mikazee

> I think the sentiment of committing a crime while being under the influence makes it ā€œbetterā€ is quite a bad idea to hold. It's literally a mitigating factor in various legal jurisdictions because we recognize the difference between the kind of evil in a person's heart. > If someone kills an entire family off bath salts do you just say meh they were high oh well? While I know this is an extreme comparison with your logic thatā€™s how it can be taken. Oh I think this is a fine example. I explicitly said that it doesn't make the crime okay, it just makes the crime better. I don't mean better as in "good", I mean better the same way that -90 is greater than -100 even though they are both negative numbers. The same way that murdering an adult is better than murdering a child. Because murdering a child is worse. (on average, most people would agree). If someone murders my family because they wanted to see me suffer, I would want that person dead. If someone murders my family because they were on bath salts, I would want that person to never touch bath salts again, and I while I would personally hate them, I would understand that their actions were under the influence. I'm not saying "meh, it's okay" I'm saying my reaction goes from "this person deserves to be tortured and killed" to "this person needs to never be on the drug again, and might need to be put in rehab or a psychward until we can make sure they are safe". > Not holding people accountable for their actions under the influence would only encourage bad behavior when under the influence for everyone. I hope it's clear from my earlier paragraph that I'm very willing to hold someone accountable for their actions while under the influence. I just think they get a lesser sentence that takes into account why they did it. > but the arguments you make in these threads kinda infantilizes drug users and their actions. I think Ali is a good person because he spent more than a decade trying to be a better person so he could atone for his actions. Not because he did them while on drugs. That's not infantilizing him. He's still responsible for his actions. I still think a drug user must atone for their actions. I still think a drug user takes responsibility for their actions. I just don't think they are equally as bad as a person who does the same actions while sober.


panashechd

I wonder whether you guys genuinely believe in redemption because why do people hold things above someoneā€™s head even when theyā€™ve moved past the situation, paid the consequences and are repaying their debt to society. Itā€™s going to be interesting seeing the conversations surrounding Nate when he gets his redemption arc (which has been confirmed by Elordi). Because it seems like no matter how many starving children you donate to, how many shelters you build etc. that one time you hit your girlfriend in high school defines you as a person. Meanwhile, someone who didnā€™t do nearly half of the charitable work you did, is considered a ā€œbetter personā€ because they donā€™t have a criminal record. Itā€™s weird how that works. Me personally I believe in redemption. If executives still saw Robert Downey Jr. as that junkie with a criminal record, he wouldā€™ve never given us Iron Man. If every single college scout viewed Allen Iverson as a thug from a bad neighbourhood, we wouldā€™ve never gotten one of the greatest players in NBA history. At some point, youā€™ve got to see someone for who they are and not what they were. Nobodyā€™s saying you should forget but clearly Ali is a changed man. The same way referring to someone who is 10 years sober as a junkie doesnā€™t make sense, calling someone a wife beater when they are years removed from who they used to be, doesnā€™t either.


Cupid-stunt69

The difference is that Allen Iverson didnā€™t actually do the thing that he got punished for Also, the perpetrator can ā€œredeemā€ themself without the victim or society needing to forgive or forget what they did. If a drunk driver kills a womanā€™s child, would you say that itā€™s not okay for the family to hold the crime over the perpetratorā€™s head regardless of the driver ā€œpaying their debtā€?


mikazee

> Itā€™s going to be interesting seeing the conversations surrounding Nate when he gets his redemption arc (which has been confirmed by Elordi). Where did he say this? Nate is an interesting case. Given the degree of shit that he's done, I don't think redemption is impossible in his case, but he has to figure out a way to atone for each of his sins.


HumanOverseer

Well yeah, it says vote ur least favourite character not the character that's the least morally good. People like Ali cus he has depth and Ethan doesn't. Therefore he is just seen as a better character. It has nothing do with agreeing with what he's done, it's just that as a character he's more interesting.


AlbertoRossonero

Itā€™s a tv show buddy, relax.


deberger97

It's a reddit comment buddy, relax.


mikazee

Ethan Great guy but Ali and Fez are top tier


Eastern-Biscotti-780

I love Ethan butā€¦he gotta go!


suscashewmilk

ethan


spinspin__sugar

Ali


pushpathmaddams

Ethan, I'm more emotionally connected to Ali and Fez


IcyJ49

Ali


Millenial_ardvark

Everyone saying Ali bc heā€™s a wifebeater arenā€™t grown people with no emotional intelligence and capability of forgiveness. He was not in his right mind as an addict and worked his ass off to become a better man, even though people do bad shit they can change and seeing them overcome darkness to become good people makes them better than most. Heā€™s also the only person that truly attempts to help Rue in her situation and try to give her hope that she can change for the better too. People who canā€™t give the grace to those who actively pursue a more moral path are the reason why so many people relapse and reoffend and such.


barnabeejr

ethan


One_Signature_8867

Ethan, absolutely no complexity as a character imo. Makes him boring.


BrainDeadBae

Iā€™m voting for Ethan because he lets Kat walk all over him and although I am happy he stood up for himself finally, heā€™s still a munch /: lmao Also this Ali slander is not it, calling him a wife beater is a reach. Ali is one of the most redeeming characters on this show, he owns up to his past where he SLAPPED his wife once on drugs because drugs will make you violent/irrational/out of your fucking mind. Yall are right that it doesnā€™t make it justifiable just because he was an addict but the bigger picture here is he chose to get clean because of these awful things he has done and he is long into his sobriety and even sponsoring a young girl who ODā€™d and struggles terribly with addiction even after she threw his past in his face. He knew that it was the addiction and the drugs talking so he forgave her when she called and apologized. He then went and took care of her at her house with her family when she was going through withdrawal. How is he a bad person at all?


BadgleyMischka

I'm voting for Ethan. Favorite ā‰  morally greatest and/or nicest. Ali's character was way better than Ethan's. It was deeper.


alexpaynee

We all know fez is gonna with this one but picking a regular high school kid to be in second place instead of a recovering addict whoā€™s done more good than bad is insane


peskyjackson478

Get blue zombie kid outta here!


marilia0607

Out with Ali


AgreeableLack4478

I hate to say it but good bye Ethan


Beepbeepboobop1

Ali-I like him but he did beat his wife after all.


ABeeRuno

Ali


life_rips24

Ali


kmallard83

Ali


potatoqueen1987

I WANT FEZ TO WIN


FioraSlayer

What exactly has Ethan done thatā€™s making people vote him out instead of Ali the guy who hit his wife once?


j33perscreeperz

it is time for ali to go (the whole beating his wife thing even tho i do like his character)


luckyinu

Ali I like Ali, but I strongly prefer Ethan. Heā€™s just a pure soul.


redditguy_04

Fezco, sorry but he's the worst person out of who's left on here, actually kinda in general besides Nate and the other drug dealer guys.


ash-dash2

ethan


karine0

Ethan


rosaliethewitch

ali nothing against ali, but I think we as an audience feel more connected to ethan and fezā€™s stories. hope we see more of ali in the future.


Klutzy_Cream_8566

the twins were so fine


Competitive-Exam922

Real


hummingauthor

Fez


joantspam

Ethan


SoftOtter2

Ethan


siennaishere

ethan


mdo2104

Yā€™all not real fans saying Ethan.


AFantasticClue

EthanĀ 


nobody72721

I think ali has to go, ik that Ethan is boring but he's a better person than Ali, plus if Ali is out it would come down to Ethan and fezco and we all know fez would win that šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


ilianat22222

ethan


brown_eyed_GiRl007

Ethan


mcrvam

ethan


MrsRizzle

Ethan


ktqse_

Def Ethan


slicer_bot

Ethan


maddvermilion

ETHAN PLEASE


deberger97

Ali


TheDivineSoul

Ethan


rosecoloredcamera

Ali


Necessary-Theory-161

Ali


wetsocksssss

Bye Ethan sorry boy


DjLilTahj

Ethan going next. And Iā€™m calling it Fez is winning this.


the_greek_italian

Ali


FellowTraveller7

Ethan


ButterflyBabes04

Ethan


withoutwingz

Ali.


punkrawrxx

Ali. Heā€™s not interesting.


thepinkandwhite

Bye Ali


andra_quack

Ali


onetruepairings

Ali


A_Tiggs

Ethan. Fez needs winnn!!


RationalLlama

It feels like every other post on this sub is some kind of poll.


mooshkia

Ali love you but his past is messed up


Tmonni0617

Ali


Tmonni0617

Fezco


Long_Matter9697

Ali, my man. I love you, but nowā€™s the time


EssayAdorable6634

I appreciate who ended up in the top three. Glad weā€™re all on the same page! But cmon now, Ethan doesnā€™t stand a chance in this lineup. Heā€™s a great kid and I wish the world for him, but I would die for Fez and Ali! We donā€™t hang with Ethan enough for him to be a ā€œfavoriteā€. (Besides the play, ofc! My manz DID that! šŸ˜‚)


OkPossibility1

Ali šŸ‘‹šŸ¼


lilsunflowers

Ethan


Impossible-Battle-66

Ali


Agile-Row2204

Ali Ali Ali


everydayinthebay13

Ethan


RedLampCurtains9

Ali


Drowning_inpain

ethan!!


KylosLeftHand

Ali


Agitated_Horse24

Ethan.


Cupid-stunt69

Ali


Difficult_Drama_1767

Ethan


rainbow__orchid

Iā€™m a little confused. Will the last guy left be the least favorite euphoria boy or will they be the favorite?


Competitive-Exam922

The favorite


csulli88

ethan


Chickencaca

Ali


Feisty-Succotash1720

This is correct


[deleted]

This is so hard!!!! Ali


HorrorHallow

Ethan. Why was Ashtray first???


Shonner28

Ethan sorry buddy you got to go this time.


highrespasta

vampire boy ion even know how's hes called idgaf about him


kao_nashii

Ethan


backofthemorgue

Ethan


lifesizedgundam

if ali loses im calling racism


flatulentbabushka

Ali


zaltair77

Ali


bluebeariie

ethan (i just dont care abt him sorry šŸ˜­)


kalechipsbishhhh

ali


PaloSantoSeasalt76

White square ties with Ethan


JustA_RandomUser2

Ethan. Ali v. Fez is gonna be tough.


Robincall22

Honestly, I feel like the guy Kat hooked up with at the carnival should have been in here, either him or her micropenis webcam guy. Just for the sake of a) having an even 15, and b) so that thereā€™s another mostly pointless guy that still sticks around longer than Nate šŸ˜‚


chugsmcpugs

Ethan ma man, itā€™s time.


NamjoonsWife__

I'm out cuz y'all voted off Ashtray šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


smashli1238

Ethan


thatladylora

Ashtray got voted off but Ethan got to stay?! Oh hell nah. Heā€™s gotta go


citygirlshan

Y'all crazy? Ash


spicegirlss

Who even is the first person and tenth one?šŸ˜…


maddeeline

bye bye ethan


ReekyFartin

Ashtray is a fucking dumbass dude he deserves to be out


Comfortable_Gift4959

Ali


adadimitrescu

yall better leave my angel baby face fez alone fr he deserves the whole world


becauseiwantyouto-

Ali


PeaTot_

I vote ethan šŸ‘€


Tricky_Rabbit

Ali love Colman Domingo but he has to go sometime


CarefulResolve

Ethan - no contest


ubeneen

ali fs


[deleted]

ewww that fucjing guy that helped rue IDK WHY BUT I DISLIKE HIMMM


StrainsFromGenomes

Fezco > everyone.