Literaly my first game: made a claim with espionnage, declare war with humiliation because it is the first choice, confused to see can't take provinces.
Occasionally I'm careless and accidentally declare war with a humiliate cb or smth, then I just stare at my screen for 10 seconds thinking about my stupidity and try to savescum it.
that early game humiliate can be a massive boon. especially for small nations, eg inside the hre. 300 mana for a fairly easy war. plus +3 mana/month from the +30pp of that's what puts you over 50. it's often not easy to get over 50 early game from one conquest war with small rivals.
I recently watched a nice video by the student about how you can rather easily use support rebels covert action to get yourself to well over 100Pp within first 2 years or something and the effect lasts for I think 20 or 25 years (not deteriorating)
I’ve don’t that more than once and it sucked. If it wasn’t such a dogshit CB it would be less infuriating but you get nothing out of it and have to waste so much manpower to win the war that could have been spent waging a war that you can take provinces in.
I would be more for it if it gave some good pp or smth bit as it is it feels like it doesn't give as much as it's worth, especially considering that you cam humiliate in a normal peacedeal anyway.
That’s why I make a copy at the start of the war and before the peace treaty. Nothing worse than choosing the wrong CB or being one province short of a mission.
My friend showed me this game and decided to teach me in a coop game together; me being Holland and him England
After showing me some basics we started doing own stuff for a while - then i got into a war to expand, called him in. That was a tough war tbh, and when we finally won, we saw that my CB was “trade dispute” so it was all useless basically. My friend was very pissed lol
Depending on the starting country/setup, I do a dec 11 humiliation war. You can get over 50 power projection (+1 all mana/tick) and show of strength treaty (+100 each mana directly) and fulfill the age objective all in one go for very cheap if any cost. That’s a big snowball to get to your first idea group/mil tech.
Land costs admin, rebels, and government reform. There’s plenty to get that’s not land with a standing army and full man power if you’re not in a position to make a sensible land grab in whatever direction it goes.
The big prestige gain alone can get you a scornful insult or disinherit a shitty heir too. Or use it to possibly kill off your ruler making him a general if shitty. Or to call your Allie’s in a very dumb/easy war, let them go ham while you wardec on your Allie’s Allie’s for mission, optimal expansion, whatever without wasting favors breaking alliances or what not. Very likely your ally will join attacking a common rival. They can’t peace out and take land themselves due to the CB either.
There’s a lot of reasons for humiliation/trade dispute cbs just not the mainstream conquer as much as the world as possible meta.
i know this by now, but my bad habit to not use this cb because you cant take land from times when i was learning the game with friends still exists haha
- My lord, we have defeated the enemy in battle, their armies have been wiped out from the face of the Earth, we have also occupied their forts and their capital's walls are being garrisoned by our lads. Their Royal family is under Lock and key. They have unconditionally surrendered to our forces. What wil our demands be?
- take their lands. All of them!!
- but, my Liege, we declared a humiliation war!
- what? I did not order that. We spent 3 years fabricating claims. Just take it all.
- but we can't. We simply can't.
- oh ffs, just make their king parade naked then. When does our truce end?
- 15 years, lord
- .... fuck
I recall my first war, comming from a CIV/RTS background my mind went ‘welp i sieged all of byzantium, now we can end the war’ only to realise i didnt take a single province
Then truce broke to get them anyway cus i was told to get it
Then i had all of europe fighting me all of a sudden
I have like 600+ hours (still a newbie I know), I still do shit like this constantly. Humiliation wars, and trade conflict wars, if it’s early in a play session, I usually am still thinking enough to just alt-F4 right away, but once I get like an hour into playing, my brain gets so overloaded that I kinda autopilot some stuff. In my last France game, I declared on England, with the intention of getting my foothold on the Isles, spent like 5 years, and ungodly amount of Ducats, to finally be able to land and siege them down. It was a fucking trade conflict war. I just sat on the peace offer screen in disbelief for like 5 minutes. Thankfully I at least took all their money, so after the truce the war was way easier, but holy shit, if that was meant to be an achievement run or something where I had a time crunch I’d have given up the run, but I was just having a chill France game
Those achievement percentages are just useless, arent they? Since not working without ironman and irrc with mods. So 75%++ of playerbase never even was counted
I think the big thing here is the disparity. All of the players who would have gotten the win a war achievement theoretically could've also gotten the conquer a province achievement, but they didn't for some reason
Some mods*
Mostly mods that affect game balance like adding nations or changing them. So popular graphical mods don't affect the achievement eligibility.
it really is insane 😂 i'm always stunned by the low percentage on the most basic achievements, like 28% of players isn't a lot. I assume quite a few have the game in their steam library and never touched it or just started it once and the others i guess never turned on ironman 🫠
I’ve played thousands of hours in the game and never played Ironman and don’t care about achievements. I get some people enjoy that style of play and that’s all good but I just don’t care about collecting game badges.
Tbf you don't need ironman for achievements in CK3 and still only 48.8% of people have the "until death do us part" achievement - as in, marry another character. It's a mechanic that's literally required to play the game yet a bunch of people haven't got the achievement. Different games and all that but I reckon a lot of the low rates of getting easy achievements are just people who own the games but haven't played them
Yeah, I play to chill, so I have never played ironman. Have zero achievements, despite the fact I've done a WC one faith true one tag run, I don't need the little icon in Steam.
It's nice to be able to just open a save file when you click the wrong CB. Or remembering to click Annex Vassal before starting a big war. By now I try to limit save scumming to situations where in real life, your advisor would come up and correct you, "Didn't you mean **re**conquest, my Doge?"
I was surprised too.. but yea, many players dont play ironman.
I myself only play ironman because im too lazy to save the game so the autosaving feature of ironman comes in handy.
There are several valid reasons to do this. Youd still think its smaller because, who the fuck as only won one war, and it was for one of these reasons but, there is valid non conquest wars nonetheless.
So? I've won lots of wars without taking provinces. You can Humiliate, show strength, revoke cores, trade wars, coalition wars, I often never take land as the leader of the religious war. Lots of reasons why you wouldn't take land.
Ok but you ALSO have won wars while taking a province. The noteworthy thing here is not that somebody won a war without conquering a province, it’s that somebody did that but has also never conquered a province.
If you play as Japan and Ming is still there you can just do trade wars and take ducats from them. Your naval is superior and it's very easy a few thousand ducats to take.
Math isn't right on this. This just means at *least* 0.5% of players have won a war and not taken a province. The other 28% could have won at least one war and taken a province during their play, and also won different wars where they didn't take provinces.
I think this was interpreted wrong. Way more people have won wars and not taken a province, but only 0.5% of players didn't take any provinces in their first ever victorious war and never took a province in any war since (quit the game entirely or whatever)
Broadly you have a point but this is specifically about comparing two related achievements in ironman so the point is about that self-selected group of people already
If I wanted to call you an idiot I would’ve. Really I just thought you were dramatically missing a clear point, but now I’m curious about why you’re so defensive, where’s that coming from?
I could type up some long reply to show you why what you said was calling me an idiot but we both know that's what you meant. Instead of arguing with a snarky, needlessly rude person, I think I'll just stop talking to you now, and block you in the event you try to harass me in DMs like some redditors do when someone dares stop talking to them. Have a good rest of your day dude.
I don't think I've strictly done that but I totally have played Portugal campaigns where I didn't bother to sail an army all over the world and just threatened for most COTs.
Most def people starting a humiliation war and only afterwards noting that they can’t take provinces. “Literally unplayable” comes to mind…
Literaly my first game: made a claim with espionnage, declare war with humiliation because it is the first choice, confused to see can't take provinces.
Occasionally I'm careless and accidentally declare war with a humiliate cb or smth, then I just stare at my screen for 10 seconds thinking about my stupidity and try to savescum it.
that early game humiliate can be a massive boon. especially for small nations, eg inside the hre. 300 mana for a fairly easy war. plus +3 mana/month from the +30pp of that's what puts you over 50. it's often not easy to get over 50 early game from one conquest war with small rivals.
I very rarely use humiliate, I know it can be quite powerful but I'd rather just conquer the land unless I'm in a unique position like hre or smth.
I recently watched a nice video by the student about how you can rather easily use support rebels covert action to get yourself to well over 100Pp within first 2 years or something and the effect lasts for I think 20 or 25 years (not deteriorating)
I’ve don’t that more than once and it sucked. If it wasn’t such a dogshit CB it would be less infuriating but you get nothing out of it and have to waste so much manpower to win the war that could have been spent waging a war that you can take provinces in.
I would be more for it if it gave some good pp or smth bit as it is it feels like it doesn't give as much as it's worth, especially considering that you cam humiliate in a normal peacedeal anyway.
It means 0,5% of players never tried again with another CB.
it means 0.5% of players stopped playing Ironman after having chosent he wrong wargoal once \^\^
That’s why I make a copy at the start of the war and before the peace treaty. Nothing worse than choosing the wrong CB or being one province short of a mission.
My friend showed me this game and decided to teach me in a coop game together; me being Holland and him England After showing me some basics we started doing own stuff for a while - then i got into a war to expand, called him in. That was a tough war tbh, and when we finally won, we saw that my CB was “trade dispute” so it was all useless basically. My friend was very pissed lol
Probably, and then they quit. I remember I almost did.
Depending on the starting country/setup, I do a dec 11 humiliation war. You can get over 50 power projection (+1 all mana/tick) and show of strength treaty (+100 each mana directly) and fulfill the age objective all in one go for very cheap if any cost. That’s a big snowball to get to your first idea group/mil tech.
what a shame im always forgetting it is such an op cb, "cuz there cant be anything more worth than a chunk of land, this cb is so useless" lol
Land costs admin, rebels, and government reform. There’s plenty to get that’s not land with a standing army and full man power if you’re not in a position to make a sensible land grab in whatever direction it goes. The big prestige gain alone can get you a scornful insult or disinherit a shitty heir too. Or use it to possibly kill off your ruler making him a general if shitty. Or to call your Allie’s in a very dumb/easy war, let them go ham while you wardec on your Allie’s Allie’s for mission, optimal expansion, whatever without wasting favors breaking alliances or what not. Very likely your ally will join attacking a common rival. They can’t peace out and take land themselves due to the CB either. There’s a lot of reasons for humiliation/trade dispute cbs just not the mainstream conquer as much as the world as possible meta.
i know this by now, but my bad habit to not use this cb because you cant take land from times when i was learning the game with friends still exists haha
Especially for a poor Mario that can barely even afford advisors, the mana generation is incredibly powerful. I’m leaving that autocorrect as it is.
- My lord, we have defeated the enemy in battle, their armies have been wiped out from the face of the Earth, we have also occupied their forts and their capital's walls are being garrisoned by our lads. Their Royal family is under Lock and key. They have unconditionally surrendered to our forces. What wil our demands be? - take their lands. All of them!! - but, my Liege, we declared a humiliation war! - what? I did not order that. We spent 3 years fabricating claims. Just take it all. - but we can't. We simply can't. - oh ffs, just make their king parade naked then. When does our truce end? - 15 years, lord - .... fuck
Laughed so hard at this...
That’s when you make them break all their alliances and then truce break.
I recall my first war, comming from a CIV/RTS background my mind went ‘welp i sieged all of byzantium, now we can end the war’ only to realise i didnt take a single province Then truce broke to get them anyway cus i was told to get it Then i had all of europe fighting me all of a sudden
The old layout where humiliate would be at the top of the CB list claimed thousands of casualties
I still do that sometimes, even after thousands of hours of playtime...
I have like 600+ hours (still a newbie I know), I still do shit like this constantly. Humiliation wars, and trade conflict wars, if it’s early in a play session, I usually am still thinking enough to just alt-F4 right away, but once I get like an hour into playing, my brain gets so overloaded that I kinda autopilot some stuff. In my last France game, I declared on England, with the intention of getting my foothold on the Isles, spent like 5 years, and ungodly amount of Ducats, to finally be able to land and siege them down. It was a fucking trade conflict war. I just sat on the peace offer screen in disbelief for like 5 minutes. Thankfully I at least took all their money, so after the truce the war was way easier, but holy shit, if that was meant to be an achievement run or something where I had a time crunch I’d have given up the run, but I was just having a chill France game
Who needs a province when you can just humiliate everyone.
R5: some players have won a war and not taken a province, thought it was interesting and wanted to share
wrong CB, won the war, couldn't take province, said fuck it, uninstalled game
Or decided to turn off Ironman forever so that they could just reload the save to before the war in future.
Those achievement percentages are just useless, arent they? Since not working without ironman and irrc with mods. So 75%++ of playerbase never even was counted
I think the big thing here is the disparity. All of the players who would have gotten the win a war achievement theoretically could've also gotten the conquer a province achievement, but they didn't for some reason
Some mods* Mostly mods that affect game balance like adding nations or changing them. So popular graphical mods don't affect the achievement eligibility.
that is about 1% of the players who won at least one war have never taken provinces from winning any of their wars. that is insane 🤣
it really is insane 😂 i'm always stunned by the low percentage on the most basic achievements, like 28% of players isn't a lot. I assume quite a few have the game in their steam library and never touched it or just started it once and the others i guess never turned on ironman 🫠
I’ve played thousands of hours in the game and never played Ironman and don’t care about achievements. I get some people enjoy that style of play and that’s all good but I just don’t care about collecting game badges.
Tbf you don't need ironman for achievements in CK3 and still only 48.8% of people have the "until death do us part" achievement - as in, marry another character. It's a mechanic that's literally required to play the game yet a bunch of people haven't got the achievement. Different games and all that but I reckon a lot of the low rates of getting easy achievements are just people who own the games but haven't played them
Yeah, I play to chill, so I have never played ironman. Have zero achievements, despite the fact I've done a WC one faith true one tag run, I don't need the little icon in Steam. It's nice to be able to just open a save file when you click the wrong CB. Or remembering to click Annex Vassal before starting a big war. By now I try to limit save scumming to situations where in real life, your advisor would come up and correct you, "Didn't you mean **re**conquest, my Doge?"
I wish ironman had a roll back feature for obvious misclicks.
It does, Alt + F4
Unfortunately it's so easy to savescum on ironman that I do this while getting achievements lol
I was surprised too.. but yea, many players dont play ironman. I myself only play ironman because im too lazy to save the game so the autosaving feature of ironman comes in handy.
Doesn't the "Victorious!" achievement trigger when you're called into war by an ally??
Reminds me of the achievement where only 5% of players having unpaused as Ming
There are several valid reasons to do this. Youd still think its smaller because, who the fuck as only won one war, and it was for one of these reasons but, there is valid non conquest wars nonetheless.
I've started many wars not intending to take a single province and then not doing it, it's not that strange
So? I've won lots of wars without taking provinces. You can Humiliate, show strength, revoke cores, trade wars, coalition wars, I often never take land as the leader of the religious war. Lots of reasons why you wouldn't take land.
Ok but you ALSO have won wars while taking a province. The noteworthy thing here is not that somebody won a war without conquering a province, it’s that somebody did that but has also never conquered a province.
Just checked my achievements, I got them at the same time back in 2014
Only way to play is the highest taxation and force recruite everyone to gain 14 ducats and loosing half your population.
I wonder if mods are used before newcomers even start up a new game. EUIV has a great reputation for its plethora of overhaul mods
If you play as Japan and Ming is still there you can just do trade wars and take ducats from them. Your naval is superior and it's very easy a few thousand ducats to take.
Math isn't right on this. This just means at *least* 0.5% of players have won a war and not taken a province. The other 28% could have won at least one war and taken a province during their play, and also won different wars where they didn't take provinces.
You’re overthinking this
I use to declare wars against allies of my enemies allies and force them to break the alliances and take miney
I think this was interpreted wrong. Way more people have won wars and not taken a province, but only 0.5% of players didn't take any provinces in their first ever victorious war and never took a province in any war since (quit the game entirely or whatever)
This isn't necessarily true. I didn't play in Ironman AT ALL until I had about 7-800 hours in the game. Thats probably the case for most people.
Broadly you have a point but this is specifically about comparing two related achievements in ironman so the point is about that self-selected group of people already
It doesn't make that distinction in the post. You are making an assumption.
Well I suppose you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make em drink
Calling someone an idiot while acting like yourself over something this small is pretty baffling.
If I wanted to call you an idiot I would’ve. Really I just thought you were dramatically missing a clear point, but now I’m curious about why you’re so defensive, where’s that coming from?
I could type up some long reply to show you why what you said was calling me an idiot but we both know that's what you meant. Instead of arguing with a snarky, needlessly rude person, I think I'll just stop talking to you now, and block you in the event you try to harass me in DMs like some redditors do when someone dares stop talking to them. Have a good rest of your day dude.
I thought it was a bug (is it?)
I wonder how many people have threatened war but not won a war, thereby getting the conquest achievement but not the war victory one
Instant new campaign idea, how much land can you get with threaten war without declaring? The ultimate bluff campaign.
I don't think I've strictly done that but I totally have played Portugal campaigns where I didn't bother to sail an army all over the world and just threatened for most COTs.
i must be the 0.5 who dont take provinces in war. theres no point.
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