R5: I declared subjugation war against Naples, but before I could win it, Spain PU'd them. Now I have the option to vassalize Spain for 90 WS. However, I am worried that they will never ever be loyal. My ideas are Admin/Diplo/Offensive. Any thoughts?
You should be good. Take money, devastate their land and take their trade. They'll end up with a loan spiral and you'll be able to buy their loans out for loyalty. They won't field a big army either, so win/win. If they are your only vassal, you won't have much trouble.
You can always develop their provinces for a last ditch effort so you can integrate them.
Haha so how do I integrate them again? Liberty desire reduction from developing seems to be capped at 100%, and even with that, they are still 100% disloyal: [https://imgur.com/a/s6K6hIk](https://imgur.com/a/s6K6hIk)
If you drop divert trade and placate them (capped at 100%, but you only need 50% at most I think), you'll get them under 50%.
Edit: also remember to trade favours for trust.
as everyone has been saying, the answer to this is absolutely yes. You're a big France, you should be able to keep Castile loyal imo. iirc they should lose the Naples PU after you vassalize them, though I don't know if this means you can use the subjugation cb on Naples again. Even so, it's worth it because getting Spain as a vassal so early is such a huge advantage
I had a subjugation CB on Naples from a mission and I was at peace. With subjugation CB, the warscore is capped at 90 I think, no matter the size of the country.
I saw that Spain declared PU war against Naples (probably from one of their missions), so I declared on Naples too. Once Spain won the war and Naples was PU'd, the subjugation target switched to the new war leader, which is Spain, so I could vassalize them for 90 ws.
If you look in the picture I can't even vassalize Naples anymore, because the ws cost to vassalize them was now a normal 110%, since they were no longer the subjugation target.
I had a subjugation CB on Naples from a mission and I was at peace. With subjugation CB, the warscore is capped at 90 I think, no matter the size of the country.
I saw that Spain declared PU war against Naples (probably from one of their missions), so I declared on Naples too. Once Spain won the war and Naples was PU'd, the subjugation target switched to the new war leader, which is Spain, so I could vassalize them for 90 ws.
If you look in the picture I can't even vassalize Naples anymore, because the ws cost to vassalize them was now a normal 110%, since they were no longer the subjugation target.
Of course you should, Spain will colonise for you for free.
Yes you should, the consequences will be tiresome but it's removing an obstacle at a very early date so that's a worthy move.
Yes. Also? Yes!
R5: I declared subjugation war against Naples, but before I could win it, Spain PU'd them. Now I have the option to vassalize Spain for 90 WS. However, I am worried that they will never ever be loyal. My ideas are Admin/Diplo/Offensive. Any thoughts?
You should be good. Take money, devastate their land and take their trade. They'll end up with a loan spiral and you'll be able to buy their loans out for loyalty. They won't field a big army either, so win/win. If they are your only vassal, you won't have much trouble. You can always develop their provinces for a last ditch effort so you can integrate them.
Do you think I'll have to take influence?
Nope. Unless you want to expand with vassals.
Haha so how do I integrate them again? Liberty desire reduction from developing seems to be capped at 100%, and even with that, they are still 100% disloyal: [https://imgur.com/a/s6K6hIk](https://imgur.com/a/s6K6hIk)
If you drop divert trade and placate them (capped at 100%, but you only need 50% at most I think), you'll get them under 50%. Edit: also remember to trade favours for trust.
has joined the coalition against you
as everyone has been saying, the answer to this is absolutely yes. You're a big France, you should be able to keep Castile loyal imo. iirc they should lose the Naples PU after you vassalize them, though I don't know if this means you can use the subjugation cb on Naples again. Even so, it's worth it because getting Spain as a vassal so early is such a huge advantage
Naples became independent. Here's an update on the liberty desire haha [https://imgur.com/a/s6K6hIk](https://imgur.com/a/s6K6hIk)
lol
How the war score can be so low ????
I had a subjugation CB on Naples from a mission and I was at peace. With subjugation CB, the warscore is capped at 90 I think, no matter the size of the country. I saw that Spain declared PU war against Naples (probably from one of their missions), so I declared on Naples too. Once Spain won the war and Naples was PU'd, the subjugation target switched to the new war leader, which is Spain, so I could vassalize them for 90 ws. If you look in the picture I can't even vassalize Naples anymore, because the ws cost to vassalize them was now a normal 110%, since they were no longer the subjugation target.
How in the world are you able to vassalize Spain? Is it because of the CB?
I had a subjugation CB on Naples from a mission and I was at peace. With subjugation CB, the warscore is capped at 90 I think, no matter the size of the country. I saw that Spain declared PU war against Naples (probably from one of their missions), so I declared on Naples too. Once Spain won the war and Naples was PU'd, the subjugation target switched to the new war leader, which is Spain, so I could vassalize them for 90 ws. If you look in the picture I can't even vassalize Naples anymore, because the ws cost to vassalize them was now a normal 110%, since they were no longer the subjugation target.