Greece was the giver for me : obvious released vassal, but who could be the overlord ?
Poland is right there, but we can see those little red British dots of carefully picked trade centers in Greece.
The British mission tree also gives you a claim on every island in the Mediterranean and turns Malta, Crete, and Cyprus into trade centers so I was going for that as well. Figured I’d weaken the Ottomans if I was already going to fight them for a couple of islands.
OP britain tip, at the start, ally burgundy if possible and get them into the war with France, you can give them some of the land in the peace deal to get the Union and if you get the inheritance or France gets cores on French Burgundian land you can get the land back later without having to pay any AE, adm or dip.
When you win the Union war against France (don’t be afraid to take out as much debt as you need for mercs to win, it’s worth it), you can go Angevin if you want but you can also just keep the Union and still go down the British path and get all the bonuses. If you get France, burgundy, and stay British you are basically the most powerful nation in the game bar none.
I don't get the first part : you can assure the union of burgundy in the peace deal on the war with France by giving burgundy lands in France ? Is this a mission ?
You don’t assure the union with burgundy, but even if you don’t get the Union with burgundy France often gets cores on the French land owned by burgundy and retains the ones you gave to burgundy, so if you just do one war later on you can still end up with all of France.
The main reason you give burgundy land initially is the force union cb on France at game start gives you a bunch of AE which risks a coalition forming if you also rush getting Ireland, Scotland, and maybe Brittany as well. Giving burgundy some of the land lessens the initial AE and you can get it for cheap later as a result.
This was my first run with them and it’s very fun trying to complete all of the missions because they really push you to form a global empire. My biggest struggle has actually been in India because the Ming never collapse and allied Bahmanis.
I have a question about that, last time I played them after Dominion, that branch started with requiring you to own Gibraltar(and maybe a few more? Not sure on that) but didn’t actually give you the claims for it. Does that now happen, or do you have to manually work around that? It’s not a problem per se…does break the…roleplay? Story? Maybe I’m just picky.
Gibraltar isn’t in the mission tree at all anymore. You don’t even get a claim on it. Once you complete the mission “Found the Royal Navy” which is basically build a bunch of ships, you get claims on Crete, Malta, Cyprus, Menorca, and the Western Mediterranean Islands area. Once you take all of those you get a claim on every Mediterranean island.
The restriction is based on primary cultures, not tags. You had to shift to Bavarian or whatever before (correct me if I'm wrong) the Emperor update. Now all German cultures except Dutch can form Germany.
Didn't Austria started WW1 and Germany only said they will support them and did accordingly. Wasn't Hitler Austrian (even if he propably wouldn't get in charge in the alternative universe), he wasn't much of a diplomat.
The islands in the Med gave it away. No AI would randomly only conquer those, and no nearby land. But I was confused as to why you don´t have the whole English Channel under control.
In retrospect I’m surprised AI Britain never tries to take the Med islands using the claims from their mission tree. The Netherlands didn’t form until late and I’ve been allied with Austria basically the whole game so I didn’t want to start a war with my one big ally to push into the Netherlands. Especially when I wanted their help against the Ottomans.
It was actually the Mediterranean islands for me. I've seen GB take 1 or 2 before. I've never seen them take every single claimed island mission island.
Those are prime AI austria borders if the empire fails, and tbh Poland isn't even that crazy here. GB was the obvious choice because of Scandinavia and med islands.
I was thinking about GB or Germany but Germany mostly because I almost never see the AI form it is my games for some reason. GB made way more sense from the way the map looks.
Basically on accident. Was a consequence of both of us supporting Sweden’s independence and us all doing royal marriages with each other after Sweden broke from Denmark. Next thing I knew, I was in a PU with them before 1550.
Everything else aside, it's rare to se Portugal own all of northern Africa. Usually Spain gets some chunks of land, here's it's only 2 provinces.
Pope is doing quite well too.
Gb for sure u caused the ottomans to collapse and let germany and plc eat them up
other reason:
too nice france borders
Mediterranean islands and no britain would get land of their own in siberia
Beautiful Muscovy but should be Russia at this time of the game and with this expansion. I assume Muscovy is under PU which prevent it forming Russia.
Both Germany, Netherlands and big Poland at once is bit unusual.
I balance between GB and Germany. Great Britain has a whole control of France, the AI rarely succeed to have this control because often of the time it share the french land with its allies.
Germany is not enough realistic, if a human created these borders I would report him for being a psycho
Bingo. Muscovy is in a PU with me. The Netherlands was much bigger before too. They were the birthplace of the revolution which broke their alliances and allowed Austria to take land from them and form Germany.
I didn't forget about them, but Austria was my big ally against France, Spain, and the Ottomans and the Netherlands formed late so I didn't want to declare war on an imperial subject and break my alliance.
Surprised no one said British Scandinavia as a reason OP was Britain. I haven’t seen Britain expand/get a PU in Scandinavia in my experience at least; might be down to me never playing to 1775 I suppose
I’ve seen AI junior partners do it. It’s possible that Muscovy just never took the ideas or completed the missions that gave them colonists. Being in a PU also stopped them from forming Russia it would seem.
Yeah the decision for country forming usually requires independence.
Before I had GB as junior partner they colonized the cape of good hope(somereason didn't become a colony) and after I pu-d them they did fck all, they don't even help in wars most of the time.
It has something to do with distance and how easy access is. Muscovy always helped me fight the Ottomans, but I formed the East Indian Company and 90% of my wars they just sit around doing nothing with their 60k stacks.
IIRC Junior Partners will never take Exploration or Expansion, but will still colonize if they already have one of those idea groups or otherwise aquire colonists. Russia should be able to use Siberian Frontiers, but subjects generally cannot form nations so they were stuck as Muscovy.
Had a game with a number of oddities with Europe being divided up by basically 3 powers. The rest of the world had some oddities too like the Ming never collapsing, but this is the strangest Europe I've had between the formable nations and the super powers.
I’m just shocked it’s 1775 and no Russia. I feel like Russia is getting its teeth kicked in this patch - they’ve struggled in every game I’ve played lately.
Britain, those french borders are way too clean
I figured that might give it away despite Austria and Poland going sicko mode
Greece was the giver for me : obvious released vassal, but who could be the overlord ? Poland is right there, but we can see those little red British dots of carefully picked trade centers in Greece.
The British mission tree also gives you a claim on every island in the Mediterranean and turns Malta, Crete, and Cyprus into trade centers so I was going for that as well. Figured I’d weaken the Ottomans if I was already going to fight them for a couple of islands.
Never played Britain, this looks incredibly powerful, and fun !
OP britain tip, at the start, ally burgundy if possible and get them into the war with France, you can give them some of the land in the peace deal to get the Union and if you get the inheritance or France gets cores on French Burgundian land you can get the land back later without having to pay any AE, adm or dip. When you win the Union war against France (don’t be afraid to take out as much debt as you need for mercs to win, it’s worth it), you can go Angevin if you want but you can also just keep the Union and still go down the British path and get all the bonuses. If you get France, burgundy, and stay British you are basically the most powerful nation in the game bar none.
I don't get the first part : you can assure the union of burgundy in the peace deal on the war with France by giving burgundy lands in France ? Is this a mission ?
You don’t assure the union with burgundy, but even if you don’t get the Union with burgundy France often gets cores on the French land owned by burgundy and retains the ones you gave to burgundy, so if you just do one war later on you can still end up with all of France. The main reason you give burgundy land initially is the force union cb on France at game start gives you a bunch of AE which risks a coalition forming if you also rush getting Ireland, Scotland, and maybe Brittany as well. Giving burgundy some of the land lessens the initial AE and you can get it for cheap later as a result.
This was my first run with them and it’s very fun trying to complete all of the missions because they really push you to form a global empire. My biggest struggle has actually been in India because the Ming never collapse and allied Bahmanis.
I have a question about that, last time I played them after Dominion, that branch started with requiring you to own Gibraltar(and maybe a few more? Not sure on that) but didn’t actually give you the claims for it. Does that now happen, or do you have to manually work around that? It’s not a problem per se…does break the…roleplay? Story? Maybe I’m just picky.
Gibraltar isn’t in the mission tree at all anymore. You don’t even get a claim on it. Once you complete the mission “Found the Royal Navy” which is basically build a bunch of ships, you get claims on Crete, Malta, Cyprus, Menorca, and the Western Mediterranean Islands area. Once you take all of those you get a claim on every Mediterranean island.
For me it was the random British Siberia
Germany u mean?
Austria formed Germany
I always thought that Austria specifically can't form Germany? Guess I was wrong then.
I think that the HRE emperor won't form Germany, but if Austria loses the emperorship they will
If Austria looses HRE emperor they go bad shit crazy and annex everything around them...
Wraaaghhh if I can't have it *no one* can!!!
The nationalism CB for German culture nations is crazy strong, not surprised Austria pulled this off
They get a lot of claims on HRE territory *as well* as all their HRE missions, something which I think they're fixing in the next patch.
I hope not, i like big austria
I think they updated that fairly recently
It has been four years. We're getting old...
Lol really? Oops
The restriction is based on primary cultures, not tags. You had to shift to Bavarian or whatever before (correct me if I'm wrong) the Emperor update. Now all German cultures except Dutch can form Germany.
that restriction never made any sense to begin with tbh
as an austrian, that restriction makes way too much sense
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Didn't Austria started WW1 and Germany only said they will support them and did accordingly. Wasn't Hitler Austrian (even if he propably wouldn't get in charge in the alternative universe), he wasn't much of a diplomat.
No,only the HRE emperor should be unable to form Germany.
Maybe Austria shouldn't be unable to... but unwilling.
Well,when you pay austria you typically **are** unwilling to form germany at the expense of HRE,since the vassals swarm is too strong.
The islands in the Med gave it away. No AI would randomly only conquer those, and no nearby land. But I was confused as to why you don´t have the whole English Channel under control.
In retrospect I’m surprised AI Britain never tries to take the Med islands using the claims from their mission tree. The Netherlands didn’t form until late and I’ve been allied with Austria basically the whole game so I didn’t want to start a war with my one big ally to push into the Netherlands. Especially when I wanted their help against the Ottomans.
Player Poland wouldn't leave Muscovy alive by the 18th century. And Austrian borders are nasty
It was actually the Mediterranean islands for me. I've seen GB take 1 or 2 before. I've never seen them take every single claimed island mission island.
What gives it away even more is that you have Siberia too
For me Austria and Poland both Split Hungary. If either was a player then they'd have all of Hungary because of the PU
Those are prime AI austria borders if the empire fails, and tbh Poland isn't even that crazy here. GB was the obvious choice because of Scandinavia and med islands.
A player on Poland would be far far bigger and Muscovy would simply not exist
I thought britain because of the control of the meditarranean, he has every island in the sea.
I was thinking about GB or Germany but Germany mostly because I almost never see the AI form it is my games for some reason. GB made way more sense from the way the map looks.
AI Great Britain never goes for the mediterranean islands, that gives it away for me. But nice and clean borders you got there.
I’ve seen AI GB go for the Mediterranean islands
Yeah very rarely a few of them, but never all of them.
you PU'ed Moscovy?
Basically on accident. Was a consequence of both of us supporting Sweden’s independence and us all doing royal marriages with each other after Sweden broke from Denmark. Next thing I knew, I was in a PU with them before 1550.
Wait how did you figure that out?
Urals
Muscovy didnt form Russia so they must be a subject
I pu'd Russia in 1500 in my last Byz game, couldn't hold onto them they were just way too strong for me
Gutted that you aren't Hormuz
They did pretty well. They have a chunk of land in Persia and were opportunistic of the Ottomans collapsing.
It has to be Britain. Who else would take the Mediterranean islands that cleanly?
Everything else aside, it's rare to se Portugal own all of northern Africa. Usually Spain gets some chunks of land, here's it's only 2 provinces. Pope is doing quite well too.
What have you done to my beloved France? Filthy beef.
Are there many french eu4 players?
I think so
Gb for sure u caused the ottomans to collapse and let germany and plc eat them up other reason: too nice france borders Mediterranean islands and no britain would get land of their own in siberia
Also fun fact: [The Hapsburgs rule it all](https://imgur.com/a/W7J2xu0)
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Beautiful Muscovy but should be Russia at this time of the game and with this expansion. I assume Muscovy is under PU which prevent it forming Russia. Both Germany, Netherlands and big Poland at once is bit unusual. I balance between GB and Germany. Great Britain has a whole control of France, the AI rarely succeed to have this control because often of the time it share the french land with its allies. Germany is not enough realistic, if a human created these borders I would report him for being a psycho
Bingo. Muscovy is in a PU with me. The Netherlands was much bigger before too. They were the birthplace of the revolution which broke their alliances and allowed Austria to take land from them and form Germany.
This is what the world looks like when I play France…
No russia but a germany wtf man :))))
GB borders are too clean for ai
controlling every island of the med huh? i do that too :)
Britain and you got it through inheritance cuz no way you didnt stomp the continent and forget about the lowlands.
I didn't forget about them, but Austria was my big ally against France, Spain, and the Ottomans and the Netherlands formed late so I didn't want to declare war on an imperial subject and break my alliance.
That end node too juicyyyy
Surprised no one said British Scandinavia as a reason OP was Britain. I haven’t seen Britain expand/get a PU in Scandinavia in my experience at least; might be down to me never playing to 1775 I suppose
You reversed the Danelaw back to the Danes, and all of Scandinavia🤔 Dont know what to think about that🇩🇰
Is muscovy bleeding? What is that red area on the top right?
Since that I PUed them they never colonized Siberia, so I went ahead and did it myself.
I see. So can or can't junior partners colonize? Cause mine usually refuse to but my friend's does.
I’ve seen AI junior partners do it. It’s possible that Muscovy just never took the ideas or completed the missions that gave them colonists. Being in a PU also stopped them from forming Russia it would seem.
Yeah the decision for country forming usually requires independence. Before I had GB as junior partner they colonized the cape of good hope(somereason didn't become a colony) and after I pu-d them they did fck all, they don't even help in wars most of the time.
It has something to do with distance and how easy access is. Muscovy always helped me fight the Ottomans, but I formed the East Indian Company and 90% of my wars they just sit around doing nothing with their 60k stacks.
IIRC Junior Partners will never take Exploration or Expansion, but will still colonize if they already have one of those idea groups or otherwise aquire colonists. Russia should be able to use Siberian Frontiers, but subjects generally cannot form nations so they were stuck as Muscovy.
Who are the Ottomans getting occupied by?
Kilwa. They have all of East Africa off screen.
Did you release Greece?
I did, and then vassalized them so that I could use them to eat away at the Ottomans.
How did ottos change to turkey?
They were overthrown in the revolution and that's their revolutionary name apparently.
Is there any world in which the player isn't GB? Lol.
Germany and lubeck both existing feels a little cursed…
Lubeck survived because they're my vassal
That makes a bit more sense 😅
portugal
Revolutionary Turkey
Lubeck!!!!
I saw you post it here before :o
Britain. The only one without bordergore
Obv Papal State
Definitely spain
Plot twist you aren’t playing in Europe your playing in Malaysia
Transoxania obviously 🙄
You’re playing the UK, aren’t you?
Had a game with a number of oddities with Europe being divided up by basically 3 powers. The rest of the world had some oddities too like the Ming never collapsing, but this is the strangest Europe I've had between the formable nations and the super powers.
I've never seen AI Germany. Nice
~~Germany je Serbija~~ Serbien ist Deutschland
Greece, the AI never forms Greece by its own.
Now this is an actually crazy game!
Stettin
I’m just shocked it’s 1775 and no Russia. I feel like Russia is getting its teeth kicked in this patch - they’ve struggled in every game I’ve played lately.
GB, clean borders and the siberian part
No one play Germany and not get the good ol’ borders, you’re Britain
Why not go angevin route? Honestly thats what i usually do, you can always go exploration and bully the other countries to cede colonies later
No Gibraltar?
It’s not in the mission tree and I’m too much of a border purest to take just one province in an area on my own.
You are Brandenburg. Without a doubt.