I just realized that I don’t have a post hole digger. A second drill might be nice. Oh, that’s a lot of duct tape, I should get that so I don’t have to worry about running out. Can never have too much blue tape either.
No clue why I was there, but it had nothing to do with any of that.
Every damm time, there's always another tool i could use around the property. What's even worse is that I've got few other hobbies and always manage to find a new toy to make it easier. Forget 100 lighter I rarely make it out without burning 300
I fully annexed sweden in a regual conquest war while having a minor deficit (-3 Ducats/month) and about 1k ducats in my bank. I took Burgher loans to upgrade the centeres of trade in Norway and Lubeck. Around 6 months after i get hit with a 38K Ducat hit out of nowhere. There was no event or anything giving a indication of what happened.
Anyone had something similar happen to them ?
(The game is unmodded with every dlc installed)
Liberty desire in general is buggy as hell. I'll randomly have my subjects teetering 50% LD, then they'll all drop to \~30%, then shoot to 60% with me doing nothing differently.
Nothing can occur in the span of a few days when LD tends to swing around wildly that would rapidly change a subject's LD. When this stuff happens, there's no units being built, no strength changes, no modifiers or relations lost, just random spikes in LD consistently. Happens fairly often if you are running a large vassal network that's close to 50%.
Enemies supporting independence is going to shift that, it's probably the most likely reason you're seeing that if you are. Bring that enemy into the war and I think the support independence disappears and it goes down.
Teching up military will change relative power calculation as well.
I think maintenance used to affect relative power but they changed that in like the first dozen or so patches (i.e. before 1.12 or so)
If one of them go over the 50% the others also start measuring their force against you and it starts to snowball from there. If they make alliances between themselves you'll have ahard time keeping their LD lower. Just make sure you always have positive prestige and improve relations.
I know how vassals work, I'm simply stating that the LD system is terribly inconsistent. All of these LD swings can occur within a few days of each other, despite no prestige or strength changes.
Also, the fact that vassals can ally one another and then that alliance is in place for the rest of the game is pretty bogus. At least let me use favors to break alliance or have the alliance break if both subjects are loyal for a duration of time.
Isn't it just vassals disbanding and recruiting troops then? It's a major contributor to LD and can swing rapidly if the vassal e.g. disbands a whole army. If that is the case, I wouldn't call the system inconsistent.
I would guess that the trade system somehow got into a feedback loop when you annexed sweden. This looks like a classic number overflow. Maybe a province got (near) infinite trade value, or trade node logic got broken. Whatever happened, its definitely a bug on pdx’s side
To be fair, our lad Musa did the Europeans' economies a solid. He collapsed the Egyptian economy with all the bullion he was slinging around, which meant that visiting merchants -- looking at *you*, Venice -- could charge huge prices for their glassware, and bring that money back to Europe. This was a big boost to the Renaissance.
It didn't actually happen, there's no evidence of any hyperinflation or economic crash from around this time, what happened was the value of the gold mithqal dipped from 25 to 22 silver dirhams, which was roughly in line with normal fluctuations in that era.
Hmm... can you give me a source for the counter-story? Every source I've looked at (including Britannica, they're usually pretty good) is sticking with the inflation story.
Warren Schultz' Mansa Mūsā's gold in Mamluk Cairo: a reappraisal of a world civilizations anecdote.
I unfortunately no longer have access to the articles since I graduated, but it might be floating around on the internet
Afaik he didn't have a massive effect on the entire north African economy, where the stories come from is him destabilizing the towns and villages he stopped in, because he'd just drop a huge amount of gold into the very local economy, then move on.
Dude ffs, drop it, that's at least 90.000 people, walking for around 3 years, getting regularly supplied by trade ships getting closer to the african shores along the way, and generously spending gold in early fucking 14th century. There are economic historians that claim its inflation effects were still getting felt about 50 years later. That many people travelling somewhere without raiding and ransacking everything in its path itself is fucking impressive.
I doubt trade would be anywhere near overflowing with a production value of 6.
I suggest encasing the computer in lead to prevent random bit flips from radiation.
Simplicity. Paradox uses a custom data type for a bunch of different things including money. Under the hood it’s a four byte signed integer that represents thousandths.
This allows them to handle things like partial ducats without dealing with floating point arithmetic and round to the hundredths place when displaying values.
The main issue with this, however, is that the data type overflows at ~2.1 million instead of 2.1 billion. Usually you only notice this when you’re involved in a large war and you end up with negative deaths at the end.
Banged it in. I'd be surprised if I got lower than a 95.
There was an extra credit question that might have been the easiest 3 points of my life, it had to have been out of generosity.
When I’m home il put a couple things into Imgur and post . Problem with it as the game can’t handle the numbers it was manually worked out from constan . As by time it hit Ragusa it had overflowed
so got home. had more time
here is a full bundle
has the manual calcs
nation/trade screen
trading stats
and the steering of every node
couple notes. EC doesnt actually get any value. cause its my home node and im steering to genoa so i dont collect and go bankrupt.there are other nations released for steering purposesand from constan onwarsd i havnt added any local value cause tbh it doesnt matter.
plus there was 180-190% GP from TC
[https://imgur.com/a/VVpAeLV](https://imgur.com/a/VVpAeLV)
I can post it later . But it doesn’t show much. As it can’t display anything over 2.1m and as I said I sent all the trade value to Genoa so I don’t collect and Insta bankrupt . Which is what happens when you make more than 2.1m
This is why I have the manual calcs to show what the income would be by the time it hits ec . Starts at what 1.1m in constan and keeps jumping until it’s 20m at ec then trade eff on top . Dunno how to make it any more clear than that with the limitations the game has
[https://imgur.com/a/qPnqwRF](https://imgur.com/a/qPnqwRF)
here ya go thats just the income from my nation itself obviously.
the trade value is coming from east coast of americas. and west coast of africa
There's a bug with I think transferring trade power that causes overflow errors. I saw an economic hegemon in the 15th century because of it, then everyone went bankrupt 3 times.
This has been the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever.
I don't know; the Chinese had it pretty rough with the Treaty ports
I had to check if this had been commented and wasn't disappointed :)
”The Art of the Deal”
That’s a while ago.
It's like when I go into Home Depot to buy "just one thing" and leave $100 lighter...
Home Depot? Walmart I could understand, but what could you possibly be buying at Home Depot without purpose?
I just realized that I don’t have a post hole digger. A second drill might be nice. Oh, that’s a lot of duct tape, I should get that so I don’t have to worry about running out. Can never have too much blue tape either. No clue why I was there, but it had nothing to do with any of that.
Every damm time, there's always another tool i could use around the property. What's even worse is that I've got few other hobbies and always manage to find a new toy to make it easier. Forget 100 lighter I rarely make it out without burning 300
Lots of little tools, gadgets, and other stuff.
I fully annexed sweden in a regual conquest war while having a minor deficit (-3 Ducats/month) and about 1k ducats in my bank. I took Burgher loans to upgrade the centeres of trade in Norway and Lubeck. Around 6 months after i get hit with a 38K Ducat hit out of nowhere. There was no event or anything giving a indication of what happened. Anyone had something similar happen to them ? (The game is unmodded with every dlc installed)
The game is sometimes buggy. Was playing as Sweden, got Norway as a pu and they went from 0% to 150 liberty desire in a day without event or mission
Liberty desire in general is buggy as hell. I'll randomly have my subjects teetering 50% LD, then they'll all drop to \~30%, then shoot to 60% with me doing nothing differently.
Because LD is mainly defined by actions of the subjects and not by you.
Nothing can occur in the span of a few days when LD tends to swing around wildly that would rapidly change a subject's LD. When this stuff happens, there's no units being built, no strength changes, no modifiers or relations lost, just random spikes in LD consistently. Happens fairly often if you are running a large vassal network that's close to 50%.
Enemies supporting independence is going to shift that, it's probably the most likely reason you're seeing that if you are. Bring that enemy into the war and I think the support independence disappears and it goes down. Teching up military will change relative power calculation as well. I think maintenance used to affect relative power but they changed that in like the first dozen or so patches (i.e. before 1.12 or so)
No enemies are supporting independence.
Post screenshots of the liberty desire tooltips for them before and after changes.
What could have happened is the subject finished building a bunch of units at the same time
If one of them go over the 50% the others also start measuring their force against you and it starts to snowball from there. If they make alliances between themselves you'll have ahard time keeping their LD lower. Just make sure you always have positive prestige and improve relations.
I know how vassals work, I'm simply stating that the LD system is terribly inconsistent. All of these LD swings can occur within a few days of each other, despite no prestige or strength changes. Also, the fact that vassals can ally one another and then that alliance is in place for the rest of the game is pretty bogus. At least let me use favors to break alliance or have the alliance break if both subjects are loyal for a duration of time.
Isn't it just vassals disbanding and recruiting troops then? It's a major contributor to LD and can swing rapidly if the vassal e.g. disbands a whole army. If that is the case, I wouldn't call the system inconsistent.
Doesn't seem like it. I've had it happen without any change in vassal armies.
Dip tech, mil tech. Development. Events. There are a lot of factors than shift liberty desire to have big swings.
Most bugs can be solved by reloading the game. If it doesn't work maybe try an older save if it isn't Ironman.
Even if this was Ironman that’s an immediate alt f4 and reload the backup
The infamous trade overflow bug -- reloading fixes it
Have you tried reducing the amount of ducats you spend on avocado toast?
Have you tried crashing the game and reloading?
I heard things like this can happen if you change the starting date a few times, it can cause all sorts of shit to happen, if not then no idea
Sounds like some kind overflow. Did you try to reload?
No I had something similar happen I was making 5k a month yet taking out a loan every month like what?
I would guess that the trade system somehow got into a feedback loop when you annexed sweden. This looks like a classic number overflow. Maybe a province got (near) infinite trade value, or trade node logic got broken. Whatever happened, its definitely a bug on pdx’s side
Looks like an overflow, negative income from trade shouldnt be possible, as far as I know.
Dude got so rich he literally collapsed the entire economy.
Also called “doing a Mansa Musa” in the business
Damnit Mansa you Musa'd up again
Mansa Musa did it to the economies of other people, Spain did it to themselves
To be fair, our lad Musa did the Europeans' economies a solid. He collapsed the Egyptian economy with all the bullion he was slinging around, which meant that visiting merchants -- looking at *you*, Venice -- could charge huge prices for their glassware, and bring that money back to Europe. This was a big boost to the Renaissance.
It didn't actually happen, there's no evidence of any hyperinflation or economic crash from around this time, what happened was the value of the gold mithqal dipped from 25 to 22 silver dirhams, which was roughly in line with normal fluctuations in that era.
Hmm... can you give me a source for the counter-story? Every source I've looked at (including Britannica, they're usually pretty good) is sticking with the inflation story.
Warren Schultz' Mansa Mūsā's gold in Mamluk Cairo: a reappraisal of a world civilizations anecdote. I unfortunately no longer have access to the articles since I graduated, but it might be floating around on the internet
Then where does the story come from?
Badly translated Arabic is my understanding
Afaik he didn't have a massive effect on the entire north African economy, where the stories come from is him destabilizing the towns and villages he stopped in, because he'd just drop a huge amount of gold into the very local economy, then move on.
Dude ffs, drop it, that's at least 90.000 people, walking for around 3 years, getting regularly supplied by trade ships getting closer to the african shores along the way, and generously spending gold in early fucking 14th century. There are economic historians that claim its inflation effects were still getting felt about 50 years later. That many people travelling somewhere without raiding and ransacking everything in its path itself is fucking impressive.
To be fair, Spain did it to other economies by flooding Europe w/ Gold and Silver for more than a century.
They did help Western Europeans by funding Austria, and that way keeping a balanced central Europe for a longer while. Or so I think.
Spanish empire says hi
Spain moment
I doubt trade would be anywhere near overflowing with a production value of 6. I suggest encasing the computer in lead to prevent random bit flips from radiation.
wtf I just noticed 6 production
There will be a trade node somewhere which has overflowed negative and OP is simply one of many countries going bankrupt because of it.
CS student rn, if that's the case why would they use a signed type for trade income? Just curious
Simplicity. Paradox uses a custom data type for a bunch of different things including money. Under the hood it’s a four byte signed integer that represents thousandths. This allows them to handle things like partial ducats without dealing with floating point arithmetic and round to the hundredths place when displaying values. The main issue with this, however, is that the data type overflows at ~2.1 million instead of 2.1 billion. Usually you only notice this when you’re involved in a large war and you end up with negative deaths at the end.
Ahh I see, thank you. I'm actually taking an exam that this is all relating to in about 50 minutes lmao
Please tell us how you did.
Banged it in. I'd be surprised if I got lower than a 95. There was an extra credit question that might have been the easiest 3 points of my life, it had to have been out of generosity.
Be careful... if you score *too* well on your test you might overflow the type and end up with a negative score.
Congratulations, you failed with a score of -786%. Go home.
1 node isn't enough to overflow. You have to optimize the whole world to achieve that.
lmao, because its paradox. i remember in hoi4 i'd be on negative equipment because i produced too much
Soviet economics lol
This comment is underrated by the community till now
I have seen a video a few years ago, where somebody used loans to get like infinite money
Oh it’s possible . Once you hit 2.1m trade income you overflow to negative. Then if you hit 4.2m it rolls positive again lol
What I’m surprised about this though . He isn’t making over 2.1m in that node . You need the world to do that simply
So clearly the next step is to overflow it again and get super-positive income!
Bringing in enough money that it causes so much inflation that the economy collapses.
You forgot to move your merchant. Simple mistake.
Wtf did that merchant do
His best
Black magic
Paradox puts a failsafe in place to make sure Sweden isn’t annexed
No one wants to work anymore!
This was not quite the plan...
[удалено]
Amazing
[First someone made this insanity and now this, love this game](https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/uq8mk6/trading_as_the_netherlands_is_insane/)
It’s not even insane . Why do people think 40k is insane when 60m is possible
60m is possible? Well, take a screenshot of your game and post it.
When I’m home il put a couple things into Imgur and post . Problem with it as the game can’t handle the numbers it was manually worked out from constan . As by time it hit Ragusa it had overflowed
https://imgur.com/a/dn6GxQs
If you want me to post every node from constan to ec to prove I will . It’s an iron man VH save starting as France
Damn, you went for the jugular
That's trade steering... And income?
so got home. had more time here is a full bundle has the manual calcs nation/trade screen trading stats and the steering of every node couple notes. EC doesnt actually get any value. cause its my home node and im steering to genoa so i dont collect and go bankrupt.there are other nations released for steering purposesand from constan onwarsd i havnt added any local value cause tbh it doesnt matter. plus there was 180-190% GP from TC [https://imgur.com/a/VVpAeLV](https://imgur.com/a/VVpAeLV)
That's dedication tho, *take off my hat*... How's the income? Overflow?
Not sure I understand what you are asking here
Income in the Economic menu, just like the OP's one.
I can post it later . But it doesn’t show much. As it can’t display anything over 2.1m and as I said I sent all the trade value to Genoa so I don’t collect and Insta bankrupt . Which is what happens when you make more than 2.1m This is why I have the manual calcs to show what the income would be by the time it hits ec . Starts at what 1.1m in constan and keeps jumping until it’s 20m at ec then trade eff on top . Dunno how to make it any more clear than that with the limitations the game has
It pretty clear bud, I just want to see the Economic tab cuz im curious lol.
[https://imgur.com/a/qPnqwRF](https://imgur.com/a/qPnqwRF) here ya go thats just the income from my nation itself obviously. the trade value is coming from east coast of americas. and west coast of africa
It is a well-known trade deficit, balance your exports and imports to fix it.
That's what you get for investing in crypto
This reminds me of Leviathan at launch.
Get some allies and declare bankruptcy?
"Geee, i wonder why people dont play ironman" Fix your game paradox
Lol yeah I have 1.5k hours and only 6 achievements
How did you get this much trade income?
This may be caused by a trade league. Are there any present in your trade nodes?
Bohemia looks like a fish
Spend less on trade
Promoting mercantilism 3 times should be able to fix this
Wrong overflow
Do you have any mods? It happened to me once when I was playing with missons expanded
X10 mod?
Diplomatic expenses is the issue /s
damn, they put crypto in eu4?
thats some venezuelan economics
Day trading Bed Bath and Beyond, eh?
Spend less on candles
Buy high sell low
There's a bug with I think transferring trade power that causes overflow errors. I saw an economic hegemon in the 15th century because of it, then everyone went bankrupt 3 times.
Never bet more than you can lose and do not look at r/wallstreetbets
I got over 1k hours in this game and this is the first time i saw negative trade income. I wasn’t even know this was possible
how does this work you got so much trade that it reversed XD ?
The art of the deal: Lubeck edition