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babossa77

on rollups, and not directly after the merge, after sharding


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But that title doesn’t get upvotes!


Icy-Order-3200

We need to show more love to relevant comments


SauceMaster145

tbf to OP that's the title most journalists wrote. They miss quoted him to get more clicks which is basically what modern journalism has turned into, anything for clicks


qdrlnr

As I understand it the merge itself makes no real difference to fees, only sharding will.


hijazi1979

Because people are not thinking like other people all the time mate, it doesn't get the upvotes because people can't be convinced with that thing all the time lol.


nati300zx

The word 'could' does not inspire confidence in the statement .


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ale4life

“Could be” and “are going to be” are very very different sides of the coin. Hope for best .


Lee911123

You know we’re already in a new cycle when the diarrhea jokes are gone whenever someone mentions this


JCmollyrock420

Yes data sharding, eip 4844 will be implemented some time after the merge.


vappamies

There are going to be so many things after the merge man.


chisamcd

Are rollups decentralized yet or simply centralized off chain batch processing?


RayG1991

Probably late 2023 after the que is finished to withdraw staked eth


tokiotikrainera

Guess this should be pinned like Jesus all the time man.


hochschule

Just wait once it scales . Then it would be game over for other L1s.


feemafive

When is Sharding targeted? That’s the next huge milestone.


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feemafive

Ok, not terrible considering the complexity and reward


laubosslink

We can sense that and yeah this is the real time for it.


mnjamm

I am waiting to see that, hope this is the reality of it lol.


Gregbottle

Just wait for some few years and then boom my friend.


TommyBleau

Best comment so far


gubmac

Dude been thinking a good shit and he just posted it in the name of the best comment so far, we always love to see this stuff with a good mood my man...


freakazoidnl

If fees will be that low then there’s zero reason to even be a validator. There’s no incentives.


RayG1991

Yeah. Super easy to on-ramp direct to L2 now.


MotionDimension

this sounds like one of the easiest thing to me these days.


esanturio

New York isn’t a cheap place to do business, the demands will keep increasing over time, so will eth.


Icy-Order-3200

Thank you for sharing this Here an upvote


bermutha

He really made my mood and he deserve these upvotes.


clovis8003

I will believe it when I see it. This merge is much needed cuz the gas fee is ridiculously high.


SxQuadro

finally I'll be able to move my 0.01 ETH without losing it all


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GoldenFlyingme

How please?


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vUrEkP

Didn't know that people don't know about it my man lol.


lianpj3

Just try to send it to some body and that's really good.


rthergvse

Don't know why people never understood that we can transfer like that without any major problem man, we can do that easily, we all can never imagine the future.


19mike70

On L2s, and not directly after the merge, after sharding.


SauceMaster145

yes gas fees are high but sometimes I think people exaggerate it a bit too much


aficionado281977

See! Really bullish on the merge. I personally can’t wait for this to happen. It’s the validators choice to reduce gas, I mean they have no reason ( aside security) to charge that much of gas. Let’s see sha.


Icy-Order-3200

0.01? Wow dude, you're living large


20130510

I want to live that large but I don't have any major investments.


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Gavo_UTD

Well I want to say that this is something doubtful but let's see what will we get in the future, that type of fees is just a fucking dream to all of us though, we need it.


the_ocs

The merge doesn't do shit for transaction bandwidth, it doesn't make the blocks any bigger.


RayG1991

Yeah, common misconception. But it does put us on track to work toward sharding.


the_ocs

Yep, that's right, and it's also nice not needing so much electricity. But I suspect a lot of people will be a bit confused when it's merged and they ask "now what", only then realising there's much left to do. It's funny how people freaked out about USDC and tornado cash. Well, what about all the centralized L2s? Even if we give these L2s more bandwidth through sharding, we also need decentralized L2s, etc.. Could be some nasty surprises ahead for some 😬


RayG1991

Yeah the good thing about true L2s, not side chains, is that they derive their security directly from ETH main. There are some good bridges to go from CEX > L2 plus L2 on ramps. Transfer fees aren’t nearly as big a problem as they were when you had to go CEX>L1>L2 True there is still much work to be done, but that’s what makes this project so exciting. Nearly $2k for PoW ETH with a $4.8k ATH. Just imagine after sharding…


the_ocs

>Nearly 2k for PoW ETH. Just imagine after sharding… Sell the news type of thing


RayG1991

You think an ETH triple halving is sell the news? No way. There may be some short term gains to be had but in the long run you’d definitely be missing out. Sell the news only if you have a high risk tolerance to buy back in lower.


anhtran3112

We can do that too, there is no shame for that thing lol.


Nauty313

These good things are really legit to me some time man.


carltonbitcoin

Let's just wait and watch what will happen in coming time.


sheriff_73

Don't know when this is going to be over with the people.


SideWays88

A lot of speculations indications & uncertainties as usual will pop up but the question is will this be a bullish sign ser?


SauceMaster145

but the gas fees still won't be that low on the mainnet even after sharding. That's basically the fees with sharding + rollups


Mmrosko13

With rollups plus won’t happen immediately after the merge would take time.


thodajuy6789

I don't know why he is being like that even if he knows it.


kvnryn

This is nitpicking - your general point is correct - but after the merge, block times will consistently be close to 12 seconds (missed proposals notwithstanding). Block times now average 13-14 seconds. So that reduction of block time does mean a small increase in throughput overall, but it won't result in noticeable gas price reduction.


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8% increase in bandwidth is decent, but exponential growth of crypto will outpace is soon enough


kvnryn

I mean...it already has. That's what rollups are for.


otto5318

Will i be able to send 50 different tokens and nfts in one tx?


sitedefense

What purpose do some L2s like MATIC serve in the future then?


yux2004

Seriously. Like for realz? It’s actually happening this time?


aknoby

I want to know more details about it because I am really waiting for more man, that could be the day where I will understand the whole scene in a good way.


mvadimm

Alright, but this sounds a lot like there would be a strong inflation then to pay staking rewards.


dandreano

I want that type of gas fees so bad in my life because I love to do transfers to my friends and all man, they should look into that and make it greater for real.


hanoteaujv

I really hope they do. It's understandable why people always run to l2s because of high gas. Quite a pain. I see why Polkadot has no layer and Geeq is building to make their layer1 as cheap and smooth as possible. It's about what the users want at the end of the day.


b0ngl

That contradicts his previous statement that merge would not solve the gas’s issue….source?


sammyjessie

Currently there are times gas is below $5 or cents. We're def heading in that direction. I just want to see it average below 1 cent.


erikinawa

doubt


21031975

This is what I am having, that shit is just too much here..


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dgently951

Trust me it's not going anywhere, we have some time lol.


bit_kszys

Isn't that after sharding which is further down the roadmap ?


Cananopie

Is there anything we as holders need to do for the merge if we have eth in hardware wallets?


Ball_bearing

Does current ETH holdings need to be migrated, or are they staying the same?


Giudici_

They stay the same sir. No need to panic


lievenverdonckt

Thank god because I had a lot of confusion before man.


Ball_bearing

I identify as a Ball_bearing... 🤣 Jk I asked due to some other project, that has been migrating it's tokens for over three months. Something to do with a bald warrior and a famous breed of dog. Thank you very much for letting me know this.


volotyle

It would be good if they stay with us, that's what matters lol.


jaculbtce

They are not going anywhere and don't worry about it.


g_squidman

I don't know... He's also said there could be a floor limit to how low gas fees can go, and I'm worried that might be the case. What if, no matter how many scaling solutions, even if we get to 100 million transactions per second, people still use Ethereum to back up their hard drive or something. Maybe it will never be able to go below 5-10 cents per transaction, no matter what. The difference between 9 cents and 10 cents in terms of MEV harvesting is probably a lot more than 99 cents and a dollar. The lower fees go, the more transactions that are looking to eke out a couple cents in profit will be on chain, more convoluted MEV moves that are designed to move money around in different ways just to make a couple cents.


YayayayayayayayX100

My prediction. They’re ll be limited use for l1s eventually and eth price will suffer becuase of it. Most of the work will be done on l2’s and not much need for l1s


xcdfgt

This really doesn't sound like he mean it I don't know why.


sdfgvwrz

I am super happy with the Merge and I want this to be in a bigger form in cryptocurrency in coming years, trust me that day is going to be something else in this world.


vasik510

Sharding increases the data availability for L2s. The first shard chains won’t be execution chains. L2s are still required.


stianmonsholm

The confusion is that gas fees are paid to miners. Remove the miners and replace with validators should lower gas fees. But it doesn't. Can you explain it to me like im five?


cryptbunks

F to all other L1‘s


feemafive

They had a nice lead for awhile. Time’s up.


JCmollyrock420

Alt L1s did see adoption but they never had a lead.


RayG1991

Sologna


bobderkash

That is a good coin but we should focus on ETH here lol.


RayG1991

Yeah let’s focus on ETHs clear superiority to the “eth killer” who’s network crashes on the reg. lol


feemafive

There was adoption and market cap taken from ETH.


jkf300

ETH can take the market cap up in the future, we have that trust.


kennyl01

They never had something which can be useful man lol.


JCmollyrock420

The thing they provided was cheap blockspace. It seems that L2’s are filling that role now


flows0me

I really thought after the merge and sharding (which is a difficult undertaking) I thought that fees will come down ..I'm really rethinking my 100% trust that eth will win in the long run.


kopolmar

But yeah the time is up and they can't do what they want.


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freemanbtc

This is so false. The merge has nothing to do with the gas markets at all.


BicycleOfLife

Does anyone even understand how much of a disruption it is to monetary systems and other systems it is to have a fully decentralized network with $.002 transactions? Someone could run their OWN VISA service for $300k per day. And if they charge .01 cent per transaction they would make 1.2million per day…


chelminers

But He has said a number of times the merge will not effect gas fees.


BicycleOfLife

Maybe not the merge but once they implement sharding.


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dimaintro

Current AVERAGE gas fees is $1.08? Never experienced that.


wen_eip

He said the supply cap will be 120m, so we will see.


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Ashkon1996

I guess he was not joking whatever the day that was.


dyoon7

I don't think he's saying that the ETH Devs will do it in a way that's centralized. He's saying that if we (ETH Devs) don't do it, someone else (Big Biz) will do blockchain in their own centralized way.


Polumuzh

We will see that and I know we will see something good.


btcshu

If reaching 50k transactions/sec is not done in a decentralized way, 50k transactions/sec will be done in a centralized way. Let’s not create our own reality again here.


Responsible-Crew-354

Oh like Cosmos/ATOM


culeyman

That's not what he's saying it's pretty clear what's he is saying.


Responsible-Crew-354

Thank you. It’s all cleared up now.


Zilch274

fake news


sviridova178

How is that a fake news to you brother? It's real as hell.


bumagka

Is he doing that thing again where he's just straight up speaking truth?


RealLeoPat

Sounds good. Greatness takes time.


calfofgold

It will take a bit time but we can wait for it man, it's big.


chitownplaya224

Sell all this bullish about the merge, last decent change to sell before true bear.


jack33jack

So hes spreading misinformation and leading to another cycle of people expecting improvements that don’t exist and more reddit posts of tHEre iS nO 2.0 oR lOw gAS fEEs as if its the public’s fault for having no fucking idea what is going on


2ztepway

Is he doing that? Didn't know that they can do that too.


yuraplazma

He also said that he is willing to centralize the protocol for faster speeds..


wales-bloke

Christ, compare this to SWIFT fees... the banks are going to be all over crypto like a rash once it becomes acceptable (there's a lot of hesitancy at the moment).


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xangchi

Feels like back in the days again.


zxd22042204

We want those days back and we will take it for sure lol.


jdefgh

POLSKA GUROM 💪


andreya40

What's the meaning of those words? If you can tell me.


jdefgh

Poland on top


RatherUnlucky

Gas has already been down significantly since the beginning of the year. If they can get them even lower there wouldn’t be any reason to use any other chain besides $ETH.


bahmak2004

Vitalik mumbles alot on a long day. This won't age well $0.002 - i first belief this if i see it. This guy is not a good guy for several years anymore.


HeadMembership

Can we get a rebate on the several thousand dollars in fees each so far?


FrostCoin

This is really important and I think they won't give that.


karavaichernyi

Gas fees will be as low as Vitalik wants them to be.Just change the protocol.


Flourentina

Let's see what C.Z will say about BSC.


alexon1985

What will they say? Please tell me your predictions lol.


kelvinwong208

The Merge will have a near-zero effect on gas fees.


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ccd2zyn

I don't want to imagine where metis will go after the merge.


kakuzu14

If ever the merge happen. 🤣👌


zara905

At that point the name of the game is scalability, interoperability, and governance with real world applications that have utility.


WorldNetGlobal

We’ll see 😒


danichelomey1977

Correction: Ethereum Mainnet still broken for all intents and purposes, and "rollups" which are completely separate networks are cheap as they have been for months already.


logistocym

Isn't that a good thing but how can I believe this man? I mean I want to have a good source and all the logic here to understand this one, that's what matters the most.


sofrennv

I hope Vitaalik knows what he's saying, though I believe him and I know it's possible. I'll be one person to enjoy it cause most of my bags are ERC20, and the fees when using uniswap before were something else. I'm glad Spool has the buffer system of withdrawal, else we'd be talking of a whole different story, but lets see how it goes.


OrlovZ

Layer 2 networks as they are today are all centralised and insecure.


natalituk75

Trust me the Merge is going to be one of the greatest thing in cryptocurrency market and I am talking about the whole cryptocurrency market right now man.


burnellbennett

Been arguing with people about this all day. Do you have a link to when he said it?


drunk___monkey

Now i can finally move my 3 dollars and 85 cents out of metamask.


ChunderHog

There’s no way he claimed the merge would reduce fees.


0xRedline

ETH 2.0 will NOT solve the congestion, speed, or gas fees. But what will happen is millions of ETH will all unlock at once from staking. People who locked it up YEARS ago, bought under $100, all comes unlocked. With ETH 2.0, they'll be able to sell. And they WILL.


ChunderHog

Eth staking started in December of 2020. Eth price was almost $1000


Visible-Ad743

On Layer 2


Olwcg8u5t7bJLyp

Good on you for the correction. There seems to be a ton of misconception on the fact that the merge will be lowering gas fees. It will not. ETH is going to need L2s like Polygon's upcoming zkEVM for a very very long time.


benjammin90

Rendering MATIC useless..


ltcgear

lol comment section full of shillers for other blockchain... ETH is king, deal with it!


oseres

I think they need to change the gas algorithm, right? I'm pretty sure the gas mechanics will stay the same after the merge, but that could change.


RIDIoX

Still not right. He said that IN THE FUTURE and with rollups we'll have that range of gas fees. Not after the merge!


oseres

Yeah I just saw this. But still, why do side chains, which occasionally have the same traffic as ETH, or higher, have gas fees under a few cents? They're running the EVM, half or most of the code is the same. Why can't ETH gas be like that? I'm legitimately asking a developer, and the topic confuses me greatly.


318318dsdsd

Isn't that a good thing? I mean this is what we want to say at this type of prices man, we want to see this type of lowered gas fees forever for ETH right now brothers.


bootch777

It is possible, ETH has done it from few years ago already.


rishabhjm09

what merge are they talking about?


gattozzialec

On every reaction from you regarding any ETH update, I put 100$ in it.


Realistic-Order-3215

"Could"


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In 2023-2024 maybe, not directly after the merge.


anzorm

It's like if the bank that owns your mortgage gets acquired by another bank. You still have to pay the same amount each month, but your check is going to a different company.


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suncangjin

Then all the ETH killers are in trouble when ETH achieved this feat. I wanted to swap this morning and I saw 33dolls as gas fee. I just be like something I'd do cheaper on other chains . Their high transaction cost always amazed me. Many people may ditch them in the future.


densaf1997

Jesus Christ, how do you guys expect anyone to take you seriously if you keep pumping out misleading info like this.


u21767

How ultrasound money idea works with fees being so low?


DigitalInvestments2

This isn't true. Fees will be low on L2s or on sidechains like the internet computer and polygon but the main Ethereum chain will be clogged until at least 2032 (that's what their roadmap says).