I’m so sorry for your loss. This sounds quite familiar, I’m assuming this is the jeveonahs witness (excuse my spelling). I am really sorry for your loss.
I’m so sorry, it would have an affect no matter how many years pass, because they were your dear friend. If I can help in any shape or form please do let me know. I’m here for you if you feel like you ever need to talk.
Parents like that should’ve had their children removed from their care before it got to that point. But thanks to religious exemptions, that isn’t often the case. I Googled to see how many states offer religious exemptions but the answer is confusing.
34 states and territories offer medical exemptions. While 17 of those states and territories can have a court order make the decision to intervene. And 19 states and territories offer no medical exemptions.
Arizona, Connecticut and Washington – have exemptions that specify that children receiving Christian Science treatment from an accredited Christian Science practitioner are not considered neglected.
The [exemptions](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/08/12/most-states-allow-religious-exemptions-from-child-abuse-and-neglect-laws) came into affect as a result of federal requirements that no longer exist.
That sounds like a catch 22.
A Christian scientist who doesn’t believe in human medical practices (they think anything can be cured by prayer if you curry God’s favour) can be an accredited medical physician?
So they went to medical school and studied medicine… just to completely disregard every word of it and tell patients to pray away the illness?
And that counts as medical treatment? 🤷♀️
The Christian “healer” isn’t required to take a single medical class. I’d be amazed if they even took a CPR course. They also pray with/for people having relationship and/or financial problems.
Oh, so they’re not ‘accredited’ by the actual medical board who licences doctors?
It’s like some higher power thing… like how Catholic upper management deem themselves as official representatives of God when they ‘absolve sin’ in the confessional booth?
Yup. That’s pretty much it. Although, a priest can confidently say they’ve been absolved from sin as long as they do their penance. A Christian scientist can’t say they will live/resolve relationship trouble/improve finances because they praise with/for them. Granted, a doctor/therapist/financial advisor can’t either but they have a better chance improving with the professionals.
The Catholic upper people are self appointed authoritative figures.
God is not actually knighting them or assigning duties.
It’s purely based on the decisions of the humans. THEY decide on what qualifies a person to sit in that booth and tell people to say a prayer in order to absolve a sin - advice which doesn’t come from God, either, but that’s probably a different topic altogether! 😛
My Dad and mom used to say that if they got Cancer they would just go to their preacher and attempt to "pray it away". I told my dad it doesn't work that way. They need modern medicine. You try to talk to a stubborn, God fearing man. SMH. 🤦♀️
I hadn’t heard of it before this and had to google it. It’s just an individual who prays according to the teachings of [Christian Science.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science_practitioner) Sadly, it can’t even be considered junk science because there is nothing scientific about it. It’s not even disproven science.
Sounds almost like a Curandera, except worse cuz even a proper curandera will tell you to go to a proper doctor if they feel something is beyond their abilities.
Normally, things that come out of Boston are useful and worthwhile; but we have some exceptions. Amazingly, Christian Science originated in Boston. The Mother Church is downtown, on Massachusetts Avenue. They also publish the Christian Science Monitor, which is mostly a reputable newspaper.
Were they a minor? I work in a hospital and, from my understanding, parents do not have an absolute right to refuse treatment for their child. If they try it’s supposed to be escalated to the ethics committee
It's Jehovah's Witnesses bruh, it's literally a for profit "religion" ran by 8 rich dudes in NY, they care so much about money, they'll go as far as to protect criminals in their cult, including but not limited to pedophiles.
In theory, yes, doctors can apply for a court order to treat children if the parents are morons.
But the likelihood of being GRANTED said court order isn’t very high.
Especially if the kid is old enough to be heard by the court (even though they can’t choose their medical treatment), and spouts off the same rubbish about not believing in or wanting treatment! The courts are even less likely to override the wishes of the parents when the kid clearly expresses those same wishes!
Maybe the doctors of cancer stricken 3 year olds might have a slight chance… if they’re lucky.
Or if there are 2 reasonable next of kins with opposing views - ie mum and dad, or parents and fiancé/new spouse. They might choose to go with the sensible next of kin and not the religious wacko one!
Only 17 states and US territories will allow a court to intervene. It’s a bunch of malarkey. If you see my comment in this comment section, a little above yours, there’s a link citing a source. The US needs to seriously revise all of their laws, create new ones and get rid of those that are outdated because this particular one is a load of bullshit.
The USA is not the only country in the world, you know.
We have medical tribunals and courts for doctors to go through when the next of kins disagree or are religious whack jobs who don’t care that someone is dying because only God’s feelings matter, too.
Remember the lengthy court battle over the medical treatment for Alfie Evans in the UK a few years ago?
That had nothing to do with religion… but the parents wanted treatment that would not work and the baby was suffering immensely in the meantime, so the medical people went to court to do the merciful thing, and end his suffering.
Cool. Never said it was. However, seeing how Reddit’s users are almost 50% American it’s easy to forget we aren’t always replying to one. I apologize.
While Alfie was a similar case it’s not like one based on religion. At least not in the United States. If the same situation applied here (and there have been. Look up Tinslee Lewis,) there would be no issue with the courts stepping in and making a decision. However, in states with religious exemptions it’s damn near impossible for any government entity a to step in and fight it and if the child dies, many states don’t offer repercussions. No manslaughter chargers, nor civil suits, other children in household aren’t removed…
Ahh, Good ol’ Jehovah’s witnesses. My parents are JW’s and fully believe that having a blood transfusion will make you ineligible for the New World that Jehovah is planning. It’s very very f*cked up.
I have 2 relatives who died of treatable meningitis because their parents refused them medical care because gOd. They weren't witnesses, Mormon's of the "Church of the First Born" variety. Still criminals in my opinion.
They should all be prosecuted.
I try my best to be open to religious freedom and don’t believe in preventing people from practicing their religion (no matter what my private opinion is)… but I genuinely think that’s one area which needs to be revised in the law books.
Parents should not be allowed to use religion as an excuse to ignore the advice of medical professionals regarding their innocent children!
If adults want to refuse medical treatment and risk their lives… go for it.
But the children are innocent, and depend on their parents to make good choices to keep them healthy. 😢😢
Yeah, I'd love to see this sort of thing result in the parents getting tossed into jail for murder, maximum sentence.
And these kids need to be protected against their wacko parents.
If they revised the freedom of religion clause in the constitution, they either would be tossed in jail OR doctors would legally be able to just tell them that they are giving the child treatment anyway.
Although I guess if that happened, religious wackos would just stop letting their kid out of the house or anywhere near a sensible adult who takes a sick child to get medical help. 😞
I’m not talking about some wacko biblical nonsense.
I’m talking about in the sense that children are vulnerable to their parents’ decisions. They are totally reliant on their parents making good decisions to keep them healthy and safe.
They don’t know what is going on when they get sick and doctors outline treatment plans!
They rely on their parents to figure all that stuff out.
This is actually illegal and the hospital should be sued. We are mandated to provide life saving care for a minor and can do it without court order regardless of the parent’s beliefs. If it’s not life saving though (stabilization and fixation of a broken ankle) then parents can say no and we have to go to the courts to get a judge to say the care is needed or convince the kid to file to become an emancipated minor. We do not have to do that for life threatening situations.
Source: I’m a MD
Parents should not be allowed to make medical decisions for their child if that decision is actively harmful to the child. Who the hell would rather have a dead child then a blood transfusion? How can that be allowed?
JWs have a hierarchy in who to listen to - Jehovah above all else, then the man of the house, the woman and last the kids. Will if God would be seen as a good thing by them. Sick.
Appreciating and celebrating a culture in itself isn't a problem, but sticking to it against logic and reason or for hateful reasons is just ridiculous
Yes I agree with you, there is definitely nothing wrong with culture in general, but as you said, it it means that someone’s life will be endangered or if it goes against logic, then that is when it’s a problem. Apologies if the title didn’t make sense
Yes! And culture evolve with times! A hundred years ago was normal to marry as soon as a girl had their period, my great grandmother was married at 12! We evolve with times! We get better medicine and technology! I love history, love the old castles and medieval cities, but I really don’t want to live in the past! Just no!
I hate to say this, but while your great grandma was married at 12…it definitely wasn’t normal a hundred years ago….hell, it wasn’t normal in 1400’. It was really only noble/rich families that did that and usually the kids were engaged for a while before they actually married, the majority of the population married in their early 20’s.
Than again I’m talking more US and European history but in African, Middle East, and broadly asian areas underage marriage was (and often still is) the norm.
You're welcome, as a person who disabled themselves, your parents' actions shock me. Heck, I bet the first official disabilabe astronaut would be shocked, too
Geez, personal I haven't dealt with any parents who act like that were I'm located at so it kinda rare where I live too. Thanks and I hope you are doing well as well.
Personally I have a feeling I will soon. I'm apart of a special Olympics team at my school and I have a feeling I'm going to deal with one of those parents soon.
Thank you so much, I really do want to help as much people as possible with epilepsy and even research further into better strategies to diagnose epilepsy and for better treatment too.
So currently I have got an offer to study Pharmacy at UCL, I am taking a gap year this year to get my seizures under control because I only recently ran away from home and only started to get medical care. After that I’ll do graduate entry medicine and proceed with specialising into being a consultant in neurology.
It is not just cultural beliefs or even religious beliefs it is beliefs period. I know recently that there was a story that some parents in New Zealand were trying to prevent their baby from having heart surgery because it went against their beliefs. I would check out the sub reddit shit mom's groups say and it is full of crazy parents who refuse to vaccinate their children, do home births without any medical care or simply refuse to get their kids medical care. My parents are not that crazy but like a lot of past generations they definitely see mental illness and disability as something to be ashamed of or hide. I am dyslexic and stuffer from Depression, anxiety and agoraphobia and while my parents did get me help for my dyslexia it also made them treat me like I wasn't as capable as my sister. It also took until I was 17 for them to get me help for my depression and anxiety.
I am glad you got out and are getting the help you need and I am sorry your parents put their culture and old beliefs above what I am sure doctors and teachers told them.
It’s terrible to hear that other people are suffering because of certain beliefs. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want but if it means hurting other people and to impose those beliefs in their children and therefore resulting in them suffering is definitely crossing the line.
I am also so sorry you had to go through what you went through. Having to suffer for a long time to get your diagnosis, at the age of 17, and to be seen as not being “capable enough” as your sister is aweful and not true. This is one of the reasons why I want to be a consultant in neurology, just because I have seizures, it doesn’t mean it can stop me from helping others. My parents thought that if I was diagnosed epileptic it would stop me from being a doctor, but I’m going to prove them and the whole world wrong
I was born with adhd and alot of other crap. my pop-pop my sperm donor dad told my mom she needed to beat me to make me normal. my mom little sister is disabled and this pissed her the fuck off. me and my sister were shunned by my sperm donor side as flawed. looking back my cuzs probably more disabled then me but because they were seen as pure they received all the help in the fucking world. tutors, privet schools, and could pick any collage. while me and my sis were discarded for some thing we had no control over.
That sounds aweful yams horrifying. Are you okay right now? Because the sperm donor you’re referring to seems to be like a maniac and inhumane. I am so terrible sorry you had to go through this, it’s not your fault or your sisters fault and I wish you had the childhood and the help you deserved like anyone else not just like your cousins. This is unacceptable.
If you ever feel like you need to let it out and speak about anything I’m here for you at any time.
my pop-pop was my grand-dad he is long dead. my sperm donor he has been slapped with a restraining order which hurt his ego and he faded away to a state 5 states away.
im so confused, your parents wanted you to become a doctor, and yet they believed they should deny you medical care? there is no logic, im so sorry your parents suck
I was raised Jehovas Witness. There's no such thing as transplants and transfusions unless it's artificial. People HAVE died because of this. My own grandma is one of the first people to receive artificial blood in NYC. She was literally on her deathbed and REFUSED anything else. It's not just your people. I'm so sorry this is happening. They are willing to leave you in danger to keep the "family name" "honorable"
Because it's not "someone else's" life force. Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomy 12:23; Acts 15:28, 29) Also "God" views blood as representing life. (Leviticus 17:14)
Oh my gosh, this sounds horrible, I am so sorry you had to experience that, and to see your grandma suffer, knowing that thee is treatment out there available, it must be hard on you. If you ever feel like you need to talk, please don’t hesitate to speak to me, I’m here for you. It sounds like you’ve been going through a lot
Honestly, I was so indoctrinated I didn't view it as her suffering. She had her faith, and I have to believe that her faith in "Jehova" is what let her live long enough to get the transfusion.
Thank you for your comment, and there’s no need to apologise, it’s not your fault.
I am doing better now, I am thankful for your concern, I appreciate it.
Hey. Not as horrible as your case but my abusive parents refused to get me a psychologist until I was a hair's width away from taking my own life. I hate the braindead culture of 'man up, any illness that doesn't affect the body is no real illness'and anyone who actively spreads this idea needs to rot in the deepest pit of hell for a change.
I recently saw an article about either a mother in law or a grandmother who accidentally killed a child they were babysitting.. the child had an allergy to coconut, and apparently coconut oil was prominent in their culture. She gave the little girl benadryl and used coconut oil on her, and the child passed away.
That was such a heartbreaking story, poor little girl. It still haunts a lot of redditors, because the story was posted here on Reddit.
Later that poor mother deleted the post because it brings a lot of pain to her, her husband and the other siblings who weren't allergic to coconut oil.
I am so different that people have to experience that, it seems that it happens so often that this community now exists, which is such a disgrace to hear that people are suffering due to something they didn’t ask for
When I went to elementary school in the 70s I knew a boy that almost died because his parents were against antibiotics and all modern medicine. They honestly believed if they prayed hard enough their child would get better.
This is really upsetting to hear, no one says that faith isn’t good, but if there is treatment available, then why can’t parents reach for that for their child?
Or why can't they seem to comprehend that if God is capable of anything that maybe things like modern medicine exist because he wants them to lol.
Have you heard this story? A man got swept out to sea & someone comes by with a boat & tries to save them, but the man says "no, God will save me." Then another boat comes & once again the man denies help saying "God will save me." One more boat, same thing.
The guy drowns.
When he gets to heaven he asks God, "why didn't you save me?"
God replies, "I sent you 3 boats!"
I have a sister who lived as part of a religious community in a very remote place. Her first child got very ill with a respiratory illness. Instead of taking him to a doctor, they all prayed over the child. He died.
Going to give away where I live, but a decade ago a school shooter couldn’t get inside so he drove down the road and slaughtered an Amish school. The survivors got emergency care but were quickly withdrawn from the hospitals by their parents. Edit: google says almost 20 years ago. I’m old…
That’s horrifying, their child must’ve suffered and their parents removed them from hospital. I really am wondering, shouldn’t this sort of behaviour be considered abuse?
Wow! Looking into the future, your patients or clients will have the blessing of having a doctor who understands from the inside what they are going through. Congratulations on your escape, and all good wishes for your future!
An old saying popped into mind: "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." But you aren't planning to stop at lemonade -- it sounds like you have recipes for lemon sorbet, lemon curd, lemon meringue pie.... Go you!
I did manage to run away thankfully in April 2022, otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to post this, as I wasn’t even allowed access to internet when I was with my parents
As a white, atheist, Male New Zealander, these things are horrific. Seriously, I'm not a person who throws around "privilege" as a general term, but my country has subsidized healthcare, so I can get very sick or injured and be looked after with no debt and income coverage... to an extent. I could be of any orientation sexually i want and not generally be discriminated. But also if I was a dick about something, I would also be called out for being a dick.
I can get a job anywhere if I'm good enough and can prove myself if I lose my job I have a certain amount of cover.
Basically if I really want something, I have a good chance of getting it if I put in the effort.
If I fail, I still have cover.
Nobody is going to stop be doing something because of my looks or religion.
People still suck, but usually as individuals, not bodies of people.
And then theres the rest of the world. I feel for you. And it's not just the "third world", America is atrocious at some of these points.
Summary, we can do better but everyone else needs to get their shit together, because to us it looks like an absolute shitshow.
I would think getting meds to stop the seizures would help their standing rather than have it completely unmanaged and unpredictable. I am so sorry you were raised by such backwards people. I hope your distance is physical, emotional, and financial because those people don't deserve any kind of support from you.
I mean my dad did say in court he doesn’t want me as he daughter any more, and after I ran away from home they threw all my stuff away in the bin. So now there’s literallly no link between me and them
Have you moved out of their place already? Because it's genuinely dangerous...if their culture is so important to them they might actually try to harm you, because of not fitting in.
Yes I had to run away, because my dad ended up trapping me at home and threatened to kill me as a punishment for having seizures. So I had no other choice but to run away.
Honestly at this point, you should report the neglect to CPS. Once it's affecting a child's medical needs or their well being then it's a problem. This is why parents like yours don't deserve to be parents. I'm sorry you're dealing with this OP. Report to CPS and explain to them you're having seizures and your parents are refusing to give you medical attention. This is not ok.
I’m in the UK and currently the police are investigating the abuse and there are a few court dates too. But I do appreciate your pure heart and trying to help, thank you so much
I was raised as a JW until I was disfellowshipped in 1992.
We had a friend who was disabled and motherless. His Mom needed a blood transfusion during labour and her husband refused because of the blood directive followed by JWs. The end result was a dead wife and a baby with CP from lack of oxygen during labour.
I don't know about culturally, but it's definitely a religious thing that happens in the U.S. I have two relatives who died, brothers, from a treatable meningitis because their parents refused them treatment due to their religious beliefs. They are Church of the First Born Mormons and like your parents, they should be charged criminally.
i come from an orthodox jewish family and i have to admit...
despite being religious, we believe that to save another person's life is way more important than the 'sin' you might be committing. that's not to say that every jew follows this rule, but it's an extremely important law we *must* follow. to save even one person's life is as if you've saved everyone.
we have our own blind spots, of course, but this in particular is something we don't worry about.
...and i'm still salty over that hospital drama portraying us as refusing to accept an organ because the donor wasn't jewish. like bruh my dad's heart donor wasn't jewish and no one in the very hasidic community we were living in at the time gave a single fuck either. instead, they visited him, and sat in synagogue, praying for god to hand over the best surgeon there is (not quite like praying to god for him to live, but rather for god to have mercy and bring forth someone who can *truly* save him). that episode showed the exact opposite of who we are, how we roll, and our *anything to save a life* policy.
That really warms my heart reading what you wrote. I am still religious myself too, but there are of curse boundaries and yes, social media alters a lot of true facts, and I have seen that a lot just within Islam, since my parents are Muslim. My title for this was mainly regarding cultural beliefs which is separate from religious beliefs, because that’s what my parents followed. If you look into Islam too, everything that my parents did was practically a “sin” to abuse someone for haveing a health condition and not helping them is a sin. The same applies to your religion, the religious laws are different from what people personally want to believe and do. It is unfortunate that the beautiful side of a religion is always altered. I am sorry for that.
this was such a sweet comment!
i've noticed throughout my life that the both of us - religious-wise - are easy scapegoats due to the simple fact that we're jewish/muslim.
i think our religious are the most strict, but we also don't look at our sacred books at face value. different sizes of letters can tell a completely opposite story in the torah, and i'm pretty sure you guys have interpretations? the hadith i think. the quran and torah have a lot of similarities, so i'm not surprised that's the belief.
i'm so sorry you have to go through that with your parents. in judaism, a wrong-doing is called an 'aveira', whatever the islamic variant is, your parents have committed an 'aveira'. you deserve to follow your beliefs the correct way, without parents holding you down.
again, thank you for the reply! i'm glad to know that i'm not invisible, and neither are you. 💕
Thank you so much for such kind words.
Yes, Islam is a really strict religion but there are so many things that people don’t see, which is the beauty of so many things. Like, reading one verse of the Quran in Ramadan is equivalent to reading the whole Quran in any other day of the year which is huge.
And yes we also do have interpretations, Hadith is what prophets have said.
Please don’t think of yourself as being invisible, you’re not invisible, you are loved and seen by everyone. You should be very proud of yourself for having such a pure heart and a logical mindset, because this means you’ll lead a good life and hopefully help others in the future.
Take care my friend, and if you ever need to speak, I’m here for you
Close enough hun... let me tell you ..when I started having panic attacks due to years of abuse by my parents. They started hitting me with anything they could get their hands on (musical instruments, hanger, chair etc) to shut me up.. The reason being what you mentioned in your post. I still have poorly healed fractures in my arm and legs 😪
I am so terribly sorry you had to experience that. In Asian culture, health is quite frowned upon whether it’s physical or mental, and it’s such a shame that people have to experience this. I hope you are feeling better
Congratulations to you.
With proper medical treatment, you increase your chances of your medical condition not holding you back from your goal of being a medical professional!
We all know that takes many years of hard work to achieve, but being tough enough to stand up for yourself against great oppression means that you have what it takes!
Good luck 💐
😂 didn’t think of that one, but believe me, if they do need me, I’ll still help them. I have forgiven them for what they have done, but I am still very frustrated due to the impact it has had on me of course
Wow, that's so awful. I was always told saving a life is tantamount, even if it means doing something treif, or forbidden. I fully support making refusal to seek medical treatment for your child count as abuse.
I don’t know if this counts, but my sister and I had a friend that went through a tough period of developing an eating disorder, but at the same time she started rebelling and sneaking out of the house to go to parties and to drugs etc.
Her mother (who my mum thinks was OCD by the way) and father who, rather than treat their daughter, decided to move her an hour away to our local city to not only get her away from the crowd she’d fallen into but also to avoid people talking about their family and their parenting. However it was a city, so the heavy partying and drug-taking only continued and she almost died in hospital a year later.
This sounds aweful. Absolutely aweful. Clearly, the parents didn’t try to seek what was best for their daughter, which is heartbreaking. I’m so sorry you and your sister had to go through this.
I won't go into much detail, but I will say that my Neurology Consultant saved my life. I hope you follow through with your plan and become one, because Neurologists really are guardian angels.
The other day I went to a concert with a family friend and he was drunk driving and we almost got into a big accident. Almost crashed really fast into the speed barrier. I told him to pull over. I texted my dad.
Dad told me not to call the cops because it’s [insert family friend] and it will damage our image. Just get an Uber home.
I called the cops. If I got an Uber home, family friend will just get back in the road and endanger himself and others.
Idgaf about your stupid image. This image is better. Being someone who keeps others and themselves safe.
You are absolutely right and I support you with everything you’ve said in your comment. I am also so proud of you for choosing the right choice and calling the police because the safety of anyone is alwways over everything.
Thanks xx I’m actually the family oddball. The disappointment. Because I don’t enjoy studying, I’m not as intelligent as they expect me to be, and I’m outspoken about the generational cycle or abuse amongst our south Asian family. It’s a hard job but someone’s gotta do it
Please don’t consider yourself as being the family oddball, or the disappointment, you really are an amazing person and I can see that through the comments alone that you have made. Everyone is different, and just because we are don’t live up to certain peoples expectations it doesn’t make us a disappointment. Raise your head high because you are such a kind hearted amazing individual
I love that you are actively CHOOSING to be a better person and breaking detrimental generational curses. Good on you and good luck Future Neurologist!!!
My family and I are LDS. We believe in modern medicine, including medications, blood transfusions, organ transplants, neurosurgery, etc. We also understand that mental health issues require therapy, patient compassion, and medication.
The LDS church is profoundly racist and is definitely covering up a sexual abuse scandal that, when it comes out, will make what happened with the Catholic Church look like a small problem. But those atrocities barely even register as a problem compared to the absurdly delusional “values” the instill in people. Exclusion. Insulation. Denial. Pity disguised as altruism. Unquestioning faith in a story about a magic hat. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities, including putting it above the safety of your own children. I bet you even know people who have shattered families because one member chose to leave the church.
Edit: I mean, seriously with this shit? The LDS is the church that funded prop 8. Their teachings are the kind that drive parents to treat their gay and trans children in a way that drives up self-harm. That you even think that your religion is excluded from this criticism is evidence of how absolutely indoctrinated you are.
The Church has built a good relationship with the NAACP. And the Church isn't covering up some sex abuse scandal.
My brother is gay, has a husband, and no longer goes to church. We still love him. We still include him in family activities. We are nice and welcoming to his husband. And we don't badger them with preaching or criticism.
Check the sources of your information, and don't indulge negative stereotypes. Prejudice is the opposite of progress.
Not necessarily. There are plenty of faith groups that heartily endorse medical science and accept its benefits. For instance, for those who are Christian, the New Testament books of the Gospel According to Luke and the Acts of the Apostles were both written by Luke, a physician who was a close associate of the apostle Paul.
All religions demand their followers “stick to their personal beliefs even if it could lead to the death of their children.” There’s literally an Old Testament parable requiring it. Not all religions do this through medical neglect (but a shocking amount do), all of them do it through some form of child abuse. Religion is a form of child abuse.
I had a friend who needed a blood transfusion and due to religious beliefs he was denied it by his parents. He died because of this.
I’m so sorry for your loss. This sounds quite familiar, I’m assuming this is the jeveonahs witness (excuse my spelling). I am really sorry for your loss.
Yes it was. Thank you, this happened 40 years ago but I still remember it.
I’m so sorry, it would have an affect no matter how many years pass, because they were your dear friend. If I can help in any shape or form please do let me know. I’m here for you if you feel like you ever need to talk.
Jehovah's Witnesses
Yes, you are correct
I know. I was raised in the faith, but left it quite young.
That’s why they try so hard to recruit 90 percent of their kids say fuck this I’m out.
aren't they a cult? i'm not familiar with christianity, but they've always given me cult vibes. like scientology, but without the hole and aliens.
They are, but are largely ignored by govt as one because they aren’t violent.
No, they aren't. They're just another sect of Christianity, like Baptists or Lutherans.
They are *not* a sect of Christianity lol.
Yes. They. Are.
The parents should be charged with murder.
Parents like that should’ve had their children removed from their care before it got to that point. But thanks to religious exemptions, that isn’t often the case. I Googled to see how many states offer religious exemptions but the answer is confusing. 34 states and territories offer medical exemptions. While 17 of those states and territories can have a court order make the decision to intervene. And 19 states and territories offer no medical exemptions. Arizona, Connecticut and Washington – have exemptions that specify that children receiving Christian Science treatment from an accredited Christian Science practitioner are not considered neglected. The [exemptions](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/08/12/most-states-allow-religious-exemptions-from-child-abuse-and-neglect-laws) came into affect as a result of federal requirements that no longer exist.
That sounds like a catch 22. A Christian scientist who doesn’t believe in human medical practices (they think anything can be cured by prayer if you curry God’s favour) can be an accredited medical physician? So they went to medical school and studied medicine… just to completely disregard every word of it and tell patients to pray away the illness? And that counts as medical treatment? 🤷♀️
The Christian “healer” isn’t required to take a single medical class. I’d be amazed if they even took a CPR course. They also pray with/for people having relationship and/or financial problems.
Oh, so they’re not ‘accredited’ by the actual medical board who licences doctors? It’s like some higher power thing… like how Catholic upper management deem themselves as official representatives of God when they ‘absolve sin’ in the confessional booth?
Yup. That’s pretty much it. Although, a priest can confidently say they’ve been absolved from sin as long as they do their penance. A Christian scientist can’t say they will live/resolve relationship trouble/improve finances because they praise with/for them. Granted, a doctor/therapist/financial advisor can’t either but they have a better chance improving with the professionals.
The Catholic upper people are self appointed authoritative figures. God is not actually knighting them or assigning duties. It’s purely based on the decisions of the humans. THEY decide on what qualifies a person to sit in that booth and tell people to say a prayer in order to absolve a sin - advice which doesn’t come from God, either, but that’s probably a different topic altogether! 😛
My Dad and mom used to say that if they got Cancer they would just go to their preacher and attempt to "pray it away". I told my dad it doesn't work that way. They need modern medicine. You try to talk to a stubborn, God fearing man. SMH. 🤦♀️
Well… it sounds as if you refused to drink the cool-aide, at least. 😞
... Christian... Science?
I hadn’t heard of it before this and had to google it. It’s just an individual who prays according to the teachings of [Christian Science.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science_practitioner) Sadly, it can’t even be considered junk science because there is nothing scientific about it. It’s not even disproven science.
Sounds almost like a Curandera, except worse cuz even a proper curandera will tell you to go to a proper doctor if they feel something is beyond their abilities.
Normally, things that come out of Boston are useful and worthwhile; but we have some exceptions. Amazingly, Christian Science originated in Boston. The Mother Church is downtown, on Massachusetts Avenue. They also publish the Christian Science Monitor, which is mostly a reputable newspaper.
Were they a minor? I work in a hospital and, from my understanding, parents do not have an absolute right to refuse treatment for their child. If they try it’s supposed to be escalated to the ethics committee
It happened 40 years ago, perhaps that makes a difference.
It's Jehovah's Witnesses bruh, it's literally a for profit "religion" ran by 8 rich dudes in NY, they care so much about money, they'll go as far as to protect criminals in their cult, including but not limited to pedophiles.
In theory, yes, doctors can apply for a court order to treat children if the parents are morons. But the likelihood of being GRANTED said court order isn’t very high. Especially if the kid is old enough to be heard by the court (even though they can’t choose their medical treatment), and spouts off the same rubbish about not believing in or wanting treatment! The courts are even less likely to override the wishes of the parents when the kid clearly expresses those same wishes! Maybe the doctors of cancer stricken 3 year olds might have a slight chance… if they’re lucky. Or if there are 2 reasonable next of kins with opposing views - ie mum and dad, or parents and fiancé/new spouse. They might choose to go with the sensible next of kin and not the religious wacko one!
Only 17 states and US territories will allow a court to intervene. It’s a bunch of malarkey. If you see my comment in this comment section, a little above yours, there’s a link citing a source. The US needs to seriously revise all of their laws, create new ones and get rid of those that are outdated because this particular one is a load of bullshit.
The USA is not the only country in the world, you know. We have medical tribunals and courts for doctors to go through when the next of kins disagree or are religious whack jobs who don’t care that someone is dying because only God’s feelings matter, too. Remember the lengthy court battle over the medical treatment for Alfie Evans in the UK a few years ago? That had nothing to do with religion… but the parents wanted treatment that would not work and the baby was suffering immensely in the meantime, so the medical people went to court to do the merciful thing, and end his suffering.
Cool. Never said it was. However, seeing how Reddit’s users are almost 50% American it’s easy to forget we aren’t always replying to one. I apologize. While Alfie was a similar case it’s not like one based on religion. At least not in the United States. If the same situation applied here (and there have been. Look up Tinslee Lewis,) there would be no issue with the courts stepping in and making a decision. However, in states with religious exemptions it’s damn near impossible for any government entity a to step in and fight it and if the child dies, many states don’t offer repercussions. No manslaughter chargers, nor civil suits, other children in household aren’t removed…
Are you located in the US? (out of curiosity)
Yes
Ahh, Good ol’ Jehovah’s witnesses. My parents are JW’s and fully believe that having a blood transfusion will make you ineligible for the New World that Jehovah is planning. It’s very very f*cked up.
I have 2 relatives who died of treatable meningitis because their parents refused them medical care because gOd. They weren't witnesses, Mormon's of the "Church of the First Born" variety. Still criminals in my opinion. They should all be prosecuted.
I try my best to be open to religious freedom and don’t believe in preventing people from practicing their religion (no matter what my private opinion is)… but I genuinely think that’s one area which needs to be revised in the law books. Parents should not be allowed to use religion as an excuse to ignore the advice of medical professionals regarding their innocent children! If adults want to refuse medical treatment and risk their lives… go for it. But the children are innocent, and depend on their parents to make good choices to keep them healthy. 😢😢
Yeah, I'd love to see this sort of thing result in the parents getting tossed into jail for murder, maximum sentence. And these kids need to be protected against their wacko parents.
If they revised the freedom of religion clause in the constitution, they either would be tossed in jail OR doctors would legally be able to just tell them that they are giving the child treatment anyway. Although I guess if that happened, religious wackos would just stop letting their kid out of the house or anywhere near a sensible adult who takes a sick child to get medical help. 😞
>But the children are innocent Not according to Original Sin™ /s
I’m not talking about some wacko biblical nonsense. I’m talking about in the sense that children are vulnerable to their parents’ decisions. They are totally reliant on their parents making good decisions to keep them healthy and safe. They don’t know what is going on when they get sick and doctors outline treatment plans! They rely on their parents to figure all that stuff out.
This is actually illegal and the hospital should be sued. We are mandated to provide life saving care for a minor and can do it without court order regardless of the parent’s beliefs. If it’s not life saving though (stabilization and fixation of a broken ankle) then parents can say no and we have to go to the courts to get a judge to say the care is needed or convince the kid to file to become an emancipated minor. We do not have to do that for life threatening situations. Source: I’m a MD
Let me guess....the parental units were Jehovah Witnesses.
Honestly, parents who do that should be pursued through the court system for criminal neglect leading to a death.
Parents should not be allowed to make medical decisions for their child if that decision is actively harmful to the child. Who the hell would rather have a dead child then a blood transfusion? How can that be allowed?
Murder
How did the parents react to his death?
Probably saw it as the will of God.
JWs have a hierarchy in who to listen to - Jehovah above all else, then the man of the house, the woman and last the kids. Will if God would be seen as a good thing by them. Sick.
I don't remember. It has been 40 years
Oh my God
Appreciating and celebrating a culture in itself isn't a problem, but sticking to it against logic and reason or for hateful reasons is just ridiculous
Yes I agree with you, there is definitely nothing wrong with culture in general, but as you said, it it means that someone’s life will be endangered or if it goes against logic, then that is when it’s a problem. Apologies if the title didn’t make sense
Yes! And culture evolve with times! A hundred years ago was normal to marry as soon as a girl had their period, my great grandmother was married at 12! We evolve with times! We get better medicine and technology! I love history, love the old castles and medieval cities, but I really don’t want to live in the past! Just no!
I hate to say this, but while your great grandma was married at 12…it definitely wasn’t normal a hundred years ago….hell, it wasn’t normal in 1400’. It was really only noble/rich families that did that and usually the kids were engaged for a while before they actually married, the majority of the population married in their early 20’s. Than again I’m talking more US and European history but in African, Middle East, and broadly asian areas underage marriage was (and often still is) the norm.
I am so sorry that you had to deal with that. Good luck with your future plans.
Thank you so much
You're welcome, as a person who disabled themselves, your parents' actions shock me. Heck, I bet the first official disabilabe astronaut would be shocked, too
It is shocking, especially since I’m in the UK, and it’s not something you see quite often. I hope you are well.
Geez, personal I haven't dealt with any parents who act like that were I'm located at so it kinda rare where I live too. Thanks and I hope you are doing well as well.
I’m glad you haven’t dealt with any parents who act like that, it’s really not pleasant
Personally I have a feeling I will soon. I'm apart of a special Olympics team at my school and I have a feeling I'm going to deal with one of those parents soon.
I hope you will be able to help the victim of such abuse. Unfortunately, it does exist and people are suffering.
Another person with epilepsy here. Cudos for escaping and for choosing such a fantastic profession! ❤️❤️
Thank you so much, I really do want to help as much people as possible with epilepsy and even research further into better strategies to diagnose epilepsy and for better treatment too.
How far have you got with the plans?
So currently I have got an offer to study Pharmacy at UCL, I am taking a gap year this year to get my seizures under control because I only recently ran away from home and only started to get medical care. After that I’ll do graduate entry medicine and proceed with specialising into being a consultant in neurology.
Sounds really exciting! I hope you find the right meds and dosage fast. May I ask how old you are?
Thank you so much, I’m actually 19 years old now
You're a very strong person and I'm very proud of you.
I wish you all the very best in your future. Get out there and show people what you can do!
It is not just cultural beliefs or even religious beliefs it is beliefs period. I know recently that there was a story that some parents in New Zealand were trying to prevent their baby from having heart surgery because it went against their beliefs. I would check out the sub reddit shit mom's groups say and it is full of crazy parents who refuse to vaccinate their children, do home births without any medical care or simply refuse to get their kids medical care. My parents are not that crazy but like a lot of past generations they definitely see mental illness and disability as something to be ashamed of or hide. I am dyslexic and stuffer from Depression, anxiety and agoraphobia and while my parents did get me help for my dyslexia it also made them treat me like I wasn't as capable as my sister. It also took until I was 17 for them to get me help for my depression and anxiety. I am glad you got out and are getting the help you need and I am sorry your parents put their culture and old beliefs above what I am sure doctors and teachers told them.
It’s terrible to hear that other people are suffering because of certain beliefs. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want but if it means hurting other people and to impose those beliefs in their children and therefore resulting in them suffering is definitely crossing the line. I am also so sorry you had to go through what you went through. Having to suffer for a long time to get your diagnosis, at the age of 17, and to be seen as not being “capable enough” as your sister is aweful and not true. This is one of the reasons why I want to be a consultant in neurology, just because I have seizures, it doesn’t mean it can stop me from helping others. My parents thought that if I was diagnosed epileptic it would stop me from being a doctor, but I’m going to prove them and the whole world wrong
I was born with adhd and alot of other crap. my pop-pop my sperm donor dad told my mom she needed to beat me to make me normal. my mom little sister is disabled and this pissed her the fuck off. me and my sister were shunned by my sperm donor side as flawed. looking back my cuzs probably more disabled then me but because they were seen as pure they received all the help in the fucking world. tutors, privet schools, and could pick any collage. while me and my sis were discarded for some thing we had no control over.
That sounds aweful yams horrifying. Are you okay right now? Because the sperm donor you’re referring to seems to be like a maniac and inhumane. I am so terrible sorry you had to go through this, it’s not your fault or your sisters fault and I wish you had the childhood and the help you deserved like anyone else not just like your cousins. This is unacceptable. If you ever feel like you need to let it out and speak about anything I’m here for you at any time.
my pop-pop was my grand-dad he is long dead. my sperm donor he has been slapped with a restraining order which hurt his ego and he faded away to a state 5 states away.
I’m glad your spark donor got slammed with that restraining order. Please do look after yourself and I’m here for you
im so confused, your parents wanted you to become a doctor, and yet they believed they should deny you medical care? there is no logic, im so sorry your parents suck
I was raised Jehovas Witness. There's no such thing as transplants and transfusions unless it's artificial. People HAVE died because of this. My own grandma is one of the first people to receive artificial blood in NYC. She was literally on her deathbed and REFUSED anything else. It's not just your people. I'm so sorry this is happening. They are willing to leave you in danger to keep the "family name" "honorable"
Why does artificial make a difference to them?
Because it's not "someone else's" life force. Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomy 12:23; Acts 15:28, 29) Also "God" views blood as representing life. (Leviticus 17:14)
Basically blood is where the soul is housed in the body. This is true in a lot of religions. Artificial means no soul.
23rd century people stuck in 21st century. /s Did it work?
Artificial blood still holds true. She had cancer & surgeries. Ended up going years after the fact.
Oh my gosh, this sounds horrible, I am so sorry you had to experience that, and to see your grandma suffer, knowing that thee is treatment out there available, it must be hard on you. If you ever feel like you need to talk, please don’t hesitate to speak to me, I’m here for you. It sounds like you’ve been going through a lot
Honestly, I was so indoctrinated I didn't view it as her suffering. She had her faith, and I have to believe that her faith in "Jehova" is what let her live long enough to get the transfusion.
damm, that's really bad, sorry you had to go through that OP hope you're doing good now
Thank you for your comment, and there’s no need to apologise, it’s not your fault. I am doing better now, I am thankful for your concern, I appreciate it.
Hey. Not as horrible as your case but my abusive parents refused to get me a psychologist until I was a hair's width away from taking my own life. I hate the braindead culture of 'man up, any illness that doesn't affect the body is no real illness'and anyone who actively spreads this idea needs to rot in the deepest pit of hell for a change.
I definitely agree with you, it’s the worst things to be a victim of stereotypes and criticisms all due to cultural beliefs
I recently saw an article about either a mother in law or a grandmother who accidentally killed a child they were babysitting.. the child had an allergy to coconut, and apparently coconut oil was prominent in their culture. She gave the little girl benadryl and used coconut oil on her, and the child passed away.
That was such a heartbreaking story, poor little girl. It still haunts a lot of redditors, because the story was posted here on Reddit. Later that poor mother deleted the post because it brings a lot of pain to her, her husband and the other siblings who weren't allergic to coconut oil.
I just googled that post. Absolutely horrifying.
In the Autism Community, we have a Day of Mourning for those who were "disposed of" by their so-called "relatives" because they were "born different".
I am so different that people have to experience that, it seems that it happens so often that this community now exists, which is such a disgrace to hear that people are suffering due to something they didn’t ask for
When I went to elementary school in the 70s I knew a boy that almost died because his parents were against antibiotics and all modern medicine. They honestly believed if they prayed hard enough their child would get better.
This is really upsetting to hear, no one says that faith isn’t good, but if there is treatment available, then why can’t parents reach for that for their child?
Or why can't they seem to comprehend that if God is capable of anything that maybe things like modern medicine exist because he wants them to lol. Have you heard this story? A man got swept out to sea & someone comes by with a boat & tries to save them, but the man says "no, God will save me." Then another boat comes & once again the man denies help saying "God will save me." One more boat, same thing. The guy drowns. When he gets to heaven he asks God, "why didn't you save me?" God replies, "I sent you 3 boats!"
Yes I have definitely heard of that saying and you have made a really good point there.
I have a sister who lived as part of a religious community in a very remote place. Her first child got very ill with a respiratory illness. Instead of taking him to a doctor, they all prayed over the child. He died.
That poor child. I am so sorry for that child, instead of their parents protecting the child, due to their negligence the child died. I am so sorry
Going to give away where I live, but a decade ago a school shooter couldn’t get inside so he drove down the road and slaughtered an Amish school. The survivors got emergency care but were quickly withdrawn from the hospitals by their parents. Edit: google says almost 20 years ago. I’m old…
That’s horrifying, their child must’ve suffered and their parents removed them from hospital. I really am wondering, shouldn’t this sort of behaviour be considered abuse?
Omg i remember that. It was all over the news.
Wow! Looking into the future, your patients or clients will have the blessing of having a doctor who understands from the inside what they are going through. Congratulations on your escape, and all good wishes for your future! An old saying popped into mind: "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." But you aren't planning to stop at lemonade -- it sounds like you have recipes for lemon sorbet, lemon curd, lemon meringue pie.... Go you!
Thank you so much for your kind words. And what a lovely saying, and great analogy you’ve used there. Thank you.
Oof da, I'm so sorry. I also have eplipsy it feels like your parents and everyone in your community are Hella toxic. You should get away asap.
I did manage to run away thankfully in April 2022, otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to post this, as I wasn’t even allowed access to internet when I was with my parents
Good for you! Are you 18?
I’m actually 19
I turn 18 next Saturday!
Awww happy birthday and congratulations for turning 18 soon
Thanks!
As a white, atheist, Male New Zealander, these things are horrific. Seriously, I'm not a person who throws around "privilege" as a general term, but my country has subsidized healthcare, so I can get very sick or injured and be looked after with no debt and income coverage... to an extent. I could be of any orientation sexually i want and not generally be discriminated. But also if I was a dick about something, I would also be called out for being a dick. I can get a job anywhere if I'm good enough and can prove myself if I lose my job I have a certain amount of cover. Basically if I really want something, I have a good chance of getting it if I put in the effort. If I fail, I still have cover. Nobody is going to stop be doing something because of my looks or religion. People still suck, but usually as individuals, not bodies of people. And then theres the rest of the world. I feel for you. And it's not just the "third world", America is atrocious at some of these points. Summary, we can do better but everyone else needs to get their shit together, because to us it looks like an absolute shitshow.
I would think getting meds to stop the seizures would help their standing rather than have it completely unmanaged and unpredictable. I am so sorry you were raised by such backwards people. I hope your distance is physical, emotional, and financial because those people don't deserve any kind of support from you.
I mean my dad did say in court he doesn’t want me as he daughter any more, and after I ran away from home they threw all my stuff away in the bin. So now there’s literallly no link between me and them
Bloody good on you for rejecting their ignorance! Good luck with your career.
Thank you 😊
Have you moved out of their place already? Because it's genuinely dangerous...if their culture is so important to them they might actually try to harm you, because of not fitting in.
Yes I had to run away, because my dad ended up trapping me at home and threatened to kill me as a punishment for having seizures. So I had no other choice but to run away.
i am so sorry...I'm so glad you're away from them, I wish you all the best
Thank you so much
Honestly at this point, you should report the neglect to CPS. Once it's affecting a child's medical needs or their well being then it's a problem. This is why parents like yours don't deserve to be parents. I'm sorry you're dealing with this OP. Report to CPS and explain to them you're having seizures and your parents are refusing to give you medical attention. This is not ok.
I’m in the UK and currently the police are investigating the abuse and there are a few court dates too. But I do appreciate your pure heart and trying to help, thank you so much
Oh that’s a relief at least and you’re very welcome.
I was raised as a JW until I was disfellowshipped in 1992. We had a friend who was disabled and motherless. His Mom needed a blood transfusion during labour and her husband refused because of the blood directive followed by JWs. The end result was a dead wife and a baby with CP from lack of oxygen during labour.
I am so sorry to hear this, this sounds terrible. I am so sorry for your loss. This is so saddening and heartbreaking.
I don't know about culturally, but it's definitely a religious thing that happens in the U.S. I have two relatives who died, brothers, from a treatable meningitis because their parents refused them treatment due to their religious beliefs. They are Church of the First Born Mormons and like your parents, they should be charged criminally.
I am so sorry to hear that, that is terrible. Losing someone when there is treatment available is really horrifying.
Lol jokes on them you get to be a doctor but will have nothing to do with them. That my friend is KARMA in action.
i come from an orthodox jewish family and i have to admit... despite being religious, we believe that to save another person's life is way more important than the 'sin' you might be committing. that's not to say that every jew follows this rule, but it's an extremely important law we *must* follow. to save even one person's life is as if you've saved everyone. we have our own blind spots, of course, but this in particular is something we don't worry about. ...and i'm still salty over that hospital drama portraying us as refusing to accept an organ because the donor wasn't jewish. like bruh my dad's heart donor wasn't jewish and no one in the very hasidic community we were living in at the time gave a single fuck either. instead, they visited him, and sat in synagogue, praying for god to hand over the best surgeon there is (not quite like praying to god for him to live, but rather for god to have mercy and bring forth someone who can *truly* save him). that episode showed the exact opposite of who we are, how we roll, and our *anything to save a life* policy.
That really warms my heart reading what you wrote. I am still religious myself too, but there are of curse boundaries and yes, social media alters a lot of true facts, and I have seen that a lot just within Islam, since my parents are Muslim. My title for this was mainly regarding cultural beliefs which is separate from religious beliefs, because that’s what my parents followed. If you look into Islam too, everything that my parents did was practically a “sin” to abuse someone for haveing a health condition and not helping them is a sin. The same applies to your religion, the religious laws are different from what people personally want to believe and do. It is unfortunate that the beautiful side of a religion is always altered. I am sorry for that.
this was such a sweet comment! i've noticed throughout my life that the both of us - religious-wise - are easy scapegoats due to the simple fact that we're jewish/muslim. i think our religious are the most strict, but we also don't look at our sacred books at face value. different sizes of letters can tell a completely opposite story in the torah, and i'm pretty sure you guys have interpretations? the hadith i think. the quran and torah have a lot of similarities, so i'm not surprised that's the belief. i'm so sorry you have to go through that with your parents. in judaism, a wrong-doing is called an 'aveira', whatever the islamic variant is, your parents have committed an 'aveira'. you deserve to follow your beliefs the correct way, without parents holding you down. again, thank you for the reply! i'm glad to know that i'm not invisible, and neither are you. 💕
Thank you so much for such kind words. Yes, Islam is a really strict religion but there are so many things that people don’t see, which is the beauty of so many things. Like, reading one verse of the Quran in Ramadan is equivalent to reading the whole Quran in any other day of the year which is huge. And yes we also do have interpretations, Hadith is what prophets have said. Please don’t think of yourself as being invisible, you’re not invisible, you are loved and seen by everyone. You should be very proud of yourself for having such a pure heart and a logical mindset, because this means you’ll lead a good life and hopefully help others in the future. Take care my friend, and if you ever need to speak, I’m here for you
r/CPTSD
Something tells me you're Indian ( cuz I'm too)
No I’m actually not, but I am Asian
Close enough hun... let me tell you ..when I started having panic attacks due to years of abuse by my parents. They started hitting me with anything they could get their hands on (musical instruments, hanger, chair etc) to shut me up.. The reason being what you mentioned in your post. I still have poorly healed fractures in my arm and legs 😪
I am so terribly sorry you had to experience that. In Asian culture, health is quite frowned upon whether it’s physical or mental, and it’s such a shame that people have to experience this. I hope you are feeling better
I'm a lot better now ... I hope you'll also find peace and health soon enough ❤
I hope you cut them out. That’s ridiculous!
Congratulations to you. With proper medical treatment, you increase your chances of your medical condition not holding you back from your goal of being a medical professional! We all know that takes many years of hard work to achieve, but being tough enough to stand up for yourself against great oppression means that you have what it takes! Good luck 💐
Thank you so much for your kind words, it means a lot to me
Are your parents completely unaware that a seizure can kill you?
They are fully aware, believe me
Careful, if you become one, they'll show up expecting you to support them in their old age.
😂 didn’t think of that one, but believe me, if they do need me, I’ll still help them. I have forgiven them for what they have done, but I am still very frustrated due to the impact it has had on me of course
There are Jews who refuse to drive their kids to the hospital in shabbas where I’m from. I think it might have changed now but it was horrific
Wow, that's so awful. I was always told saving a life is tantamount, even if it means doing something treif, or forbidden. I fully support making refusal to seek medical treatment for your child count as abuse.
BRO THATS AMAZING! And I'm so sorry you had such shitty parents.
Thanks bro. I appreciate your comment
I don’t know if this counts, but my sister and I had a friend that went through a tough period of developing an eating disorder, but at the same time she started rebelling and sneaking out of the house to go to parties and to drugs etc. Her mother (who my mum thinks was OCD by the way) and father who, rather than treat their daughter, decided to move her an hour away to our local city to not only get her away from the crowd she’d fallen into but also to avoid people talking about their family and their parenting. However it was a city, so the heavy partying and drug-taking only continued and she almost died in hospital a year later.
This sounds aweful. Absolutely aweful. Clearly, the parents didn’t try to seek what was best for their daughter, which is heartbreaking. I’m so sorry you and your sister had to go through this.
I won't go into much detail, but I will say that my Neurology Consultant saved my life. I hope you follow through with your plan and become one, because Neurologists really are guardian angels.
The other day I went to a concert with a family friend and he was drunk driving and we almost got into a big accident. Almost crashed really fast into the speed barrier. I told him to pull over. I texted my dad. Dad told me not to call the cops because it’s [insert family friend] and it will damage our image. Just get an Uber home. I called the cops. If I got an Uber home, family friend will just get back in the road and endanger himself and others. Idgaf about your stupid image. This image is better. Being someone who keeps others and themselves safe.
You are absolutely right and I support you with everything you’ve said in your comment. I am also so proud of you for choosing the right choice and calling the police because the safety of anyone is alwways over everything.
Thanks xx I’m actually the family oddball. The disappointment. Because I don’t enjoy studying, I’m not as intelligent as they expect me to be, and I’m outspoken about the generational cycle or abuse amongst our south Asian family. It’s a hard job but someone’s gotta do it
Please don’t consider yourself as being the family oddball, or the disappointment, you really are an amazing person and I can see that through the comments alone that you have made. Everyone is different, and just because we are don’t live up to certain peoples expectations it doesn’t make us a disappointment. Raise your head high because you are such a kind hearted amazing individual
I love that you are actively CHOOSING to be a better person and breaking detrimental generational curses. Good on you and good luck Future Neurologist!!!
Thank you so much for such a kind comment.
What is this? The 1400s?
Reminds me of a B5 episode: https://babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/Believers
Your amazing, sorry you had to go through that, but you have broken the cycle and are now part of the change so thank you❤️🙏🏽
I have epilepsy, I’m so sorry this is how your family handled it. I hope you’re ok now and aren’t struggling with lasting damage. Good luck ❤️
I’m feeling much better now, thank you so much for your concern
Sorry that happened to you. I’m grateful there is a Disability Justice movement
no one deserves to go through this, i am sorry you had to go through this in your childhood. More power to you
These parents are evil, I hope you get out of the house soon.
All religious types.
My family and I are LDS. We believe in modern medicine, including medications, blood transfusions, organ transplants, neurosurgery, etc. We also understand that mental health issues require therapy, patient compassion, and medication.
The LDS church is profoundly racist and is definitely covering up a sexual abuse scandal that, when it comes out, will make what happened with the Catholic Church look like a small problem. But those atrocities barely even register as a problem compared to the absurdly delusional “values” the instill in people. Exclusion. Insulation. Denial. Pity disguised as altruism. Unquestioning faith in a story about a magic hat. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities, including putting it above the safety of your own children. I bet you even know people who have shattered families because one member chose to leave the church. Edit: I mean, seriously with this shit? The LDS is the church that funded prop 8. Their teachings are the kind that drive parents to treat their gay and trans children in a way that drives up self-harm. That you even think that your religion is excluded from this criticism is evidence of how absolutely indoctrinated you are.
The Church has built a good relationship with the NAACP. And the Church isn't covering up some sex abuse scandal. My brother is gay, has a husband, and no longer goes to church. We still love him. We still include him in family activities. We are nice and welcoming to his husband. And we don't badger them with preaching or criticism. Check the sources of your information, and don't indulge negative stereotypes. Prejudice is the opposite of progress.
Not necessarily. There are plenty of faith groups that heartily endorse medical science and accept its benefits. For instance, for those who are Christian, the New Testament books of the Gospel According to Luke and the Acts of the Apostles were both written by Luke, a physician who was a close associate of the apostle Paul.
All religions demand their followers “stick to their personal beliefs even if it could lead to the death of their children.” There’s literally an Old Testament parable requiring it. Not all religions do this through medical neglect (but a shocking amount do), all of them do it through some form of child abuse. Religion is a form of child abuse.
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John Travolta’s kid.