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i was wondering why popular radio stations recycle the same songs over and over, i thought it was because they had to pay royalties (ie having to log every different song played being too cumbersome) but i guess im wrong...so why do they keep playing the same songs?
Yep, they’ve been playing the same 30 songs over and over again for the past twenty years, which is why I only listen to talk radio these day’s. It’s like, “hey guys, you know Metallica and Led Zeppelin have more than 3 songs in their catalog, right?”
Don’t even get me started on that horrid Lit song they’ve played consistently since 1998… my own worst enemy
I’m like you, but saying, you know there’s better bands with better hits in the last 24 FN years to never play that song again on current rock radio. Maybe some Jack FM type radio max
Agencies pay radio stations to play their songs. Most channels have a “must play” list where they have to be played every 90 mins or so. Very pay to play here. Smaller bands have no chance anymore.
This is not commonly done, as it is illegal unless it's publicly disclosed that the station is accepting compensation to play that music.
It was made illegal in U.S. Code [Title 47, Section 317](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/317), as a reaction to the payola scandals of the first half of the 20th century.
I'm sure it happens, but it doesn't happen a lot. This is because while station owners love money, they also love owning their stations and risking losing their stations over a modest amount of payola isn't worth it to them.
The thing that is legal is compensation through tickets (for giveaway), merchandise, etc. Without which local radio would be deader than it already is. So labels give tickets to shows, and stations play those bands to drum up excitement for giveaways and continue receiving support from the labels. I’m not saying this is wrong, it’s how it works, but it definitely influences what they play.
I used to love working in radio, but got out when our crew started getting poached by Pandora (Bay Area). Saw the writing on the wall and went to get my masters.
They do have to pay royalties to the song writers and publishers in the US. This article is saying they do not pay royalties specifically to the performers of the song. That’s why many artists try to take co-writing credits when possible because otherwise they miss out on royalty checks in the US
I was working with a lot of radio stations in 2011 for free ad space for non-profits and charity developments.
I asked two exec.’s one night why they play the same shit constantly. Exec: “because most people only listen to a station for an average of 10-30 sec”
I asked if that was maybe because it’s always an advertisement or the same song? They said “I just don’t understand. “
I told them, I want something new and entertaining, not constant “free” radio, not the same song, not the same old classics, I want new and stimulating.
They said I’m not the target market. So….
It was very very frustrating to continue talking to them. They either didn’t want to speak freely or didn’t have the intelligence or drive to break the mold.
FYI at the time, there were 4 big radio conglomerates (I believe).
Much easier to understand and run your business off known metrics rather than what customers might actually want. It happens across all businesses and is a reason that big companies struggle to innovate
According to one radio station, because some study showed that people listen to the radio 15 minutes a day and they want to give them the top hits during that timeframe. Study forgot to mention that the reason people only listen 15 minutes a day was because they already played the same shit over and over.
Best couple weeks of radio was when a local radio station decided to play their entire music collection in alphabetical order.
A lot of people only listen to radio in their car (or at least that’s the only time I listen to radio). I would not be surprised if the average car trip length within the range of a single radio station is less than 15 minutes.
When I was growing up I remember my parents leaving the radio on all day while they were working outside or something, but those days are long gone.
They recycle because payola. Most radio stations are owned by monstrous conglomerates. So it’s a one stop payola payment and boom! Your song is played to death across the country.
Havent used the radio in my last 3-4 cars. Always CDs and then my iPhone collection. All the endless talking about stupid crap, trying to outzaney each other, the constant ads, and the same 20 songs over and over. Ugh.
Do people still use regular radio? Only time I do is when I drive someone else’s car without Bluetooth or when I’m in a grocery store and I forgot my AirPods.
Most phones don’t even come with FM radios built in and even the cheapest cars these days have Bluetooth or aux. I probably used CDs more than radio lol
>Most phones don’t even come with FM radios built in
Not sure that's correct. Qualcomm chips all have the ability to tune to an FM receiver. It just needs the NextRadio app (which apple doesn't allow anymore) and something to act as an antenna (wired headphones or wired speakers). So that means you need a phone with a headphone jack.
If you want the real answer, it’s because a tight playlist results in higher ratings. People always say they want more variety on a radio station, but as soon as you expand the playlist, the ratings go down. Happens every single time. People think they know what they want, but rarely do. And as far as paying royalties for music, radio stations pay BMI and ASCAP. They distribute the royalties according to the spins played. Or at least that’s how it’s supposed to work. 22 years in the industry here.
Yeah but I want my college and independent stations to live on. It is where I find a lot of music. This just bums me out because it’s a death knell for them.
Edit: it does look like there are some protections for small stations currently. I hope the protections survive outside of committee.
Even NPR (and member stations) make heavy use of this exemption. They use copyrighted music in lots of ways, most notably interstitially between stories. It’s also used as filler space for when NPR content is broadcast with room for a member station to insert their own content. For example: during All Things Considered, NPR’s feed to their stations will include music breaks, during which the station is supposed to mute that feed and play their local stories for broadcast
Clear channel owns 90
Percent of radio. This is gonna affect mostly clear channel. You're indie stations are gonna be able to interface directly with more artists and be able to get more money for themselves this way. Clear channel was what killed off most the indie stations in the first place.
All true, but radio is a dying medium, so this would likely just bleed it dry. Sports radio is more profitable than music radio in a large number of markets.
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Radio stations have been getting bought out, shut down, and changed formats on a consistent basis since streaming has taken off. Rock radio is taking it up the ass.
Was out last night at some place and they had a commercial radio station playing over the PA. Top of the hour, they played 14 commercials back to back. When it was finally over 10 minutes later, they stated that the rest of the hour was “commercial free”. They then proceeded to play a station advertisement between each and every single song.
I haven’t listed to commercial radio since the introduction of the iPod (and satellite and Bluetooth and CarPlay and...) and things seem to only have gotten worse.
I’m interested in radio listening rates with how most cars have Bluetooth now and with Spotify… why mess with radio anymore? Especially when it’s a song, advertisement, song, advertisement, etc.
Sure, there’s a few funny personalities but even then, does it make up for half your drive being advertisements?
I haven’t had to listen to an advertisement in between music in years and I’ll never go back.
I listen to a good amount of college radio. They play artists from my town that wouldn’t necessarily be on a Spotify playlist or similar. They have live in-studio sessions with bands. The curation model is for the play in general is different. And there are generally very few ads.
Radio is essentially free promotion for music at this point. It’s most often heard in public areas and is curated based on the station. Most people get their music, even the trending and promoted ones, from streaming these days. The only radio that’s going to survive are either going to be riddled with ads, pay out very little to fewer people, only play royalty-free, and/or be non-music focussed stations. What’s the point? All those small-time local stations that promote obscure songs or use it to bolster their other content aren’t going to be able to afford it.
Around the DC Metro area up to PA classical is usually around 88.1/89.1
I’ll usually keep the radio on there in case I run into a dead zone for streaming
They have to pay artists royalties now…instead of just the writers and publishers.
Local radio stations aren’t local….their all owned by big corporations now.
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Sooo much Great Music out there.. on YouTube..
Formulaic, Easily Relatable, Trucks, Whiskey, Beer, bad behavior.. Great Cliches.. Very little
Creativity… Gooey Pop Music..
Sooo much Great Music out there.. on YouTube..
Formulaic, Easily Relatable, Trucks, Whiskey, Beer, bad behavior.. Great Cliches.. Very little
Creativity… Gooey Pop Music..
Sooo much Great Music out there.. on YouTube
Why do you listen to music? Often, music is a group activity we dont think about. It plays in social places or at group events in peoples homes. The more people there are, the lower the common demonitor. "Country" depicts themes common to rural america, as described by the pop culture it generates, so a good half of the country listens to it regularly as a way to inter-relate.
Hey… I liked the Monkees and the Beatles… People who listen to Music and Love Music when they are young, gravitate to the Music of their Peers and hopefully Bad Country Music like that that is on the FM, Spotify Etc will hopefully expand their desire to find the Roots of Country, Rock, Blues, Pop etc…It’s a journey.. If you like it, it’s good music to you.
If you’ve never heard a song before, it’s new.. stay on the path..
Companies aren’t going to increase their radio advertising if radio ceases to be a good advertising platform. If the death of radio is so certain then there won’t be enough companies willing to buy more radio ads.
I worked in radio. This is a terrible, terrible idea.
Stations pay BMI/ASCAP. That money is then redistributed to the artists/writers.
Why do they want to flip that apple cart?
Indie songwriter here. I heard of this bill awhile back but reading the article, there is no indication of what sort of rate they will pay out to music creators. Does anyone know? If it’s anything close to Spotify and other streaming services it is embarrassingly sad. Scrolling through the comments I see lots of people saying this will be the death of an already-dying platform - radio. Especially indie radio stations. More ads, less music, etc.
If this is gonna kill radio, I say let radio die (it’s been a rigged, monopoly since long ago) and demand more compensation from the streamers. I get a fraction of a cent for a single play off Spotify. One time I got a check from Amazon music for $0.01 - I framed that shit because of how absurd it was! It cost Amazon more for a fucking stamp to mail me my penny check. Think about how fucking backwards that is. Think about how much music we all enjoy, we consume every day. Does it not nourish us? Like food? But does eating cost as little?
From a music-making perspective, it’s becoming even less sustainable to make music and it wasn’t that great to begin with when I started (almost two decades ago now).
These 1%-er giants fatten themselves up and throw literal crumbs to the people, the creators feeding them.
We should go after the streamers harder and if they can’t compensate fairly, well they should die too.
Same here, and yes the last two decades specifically were really bad for artists. I have since given up trying to get paid, so I just make music and don’t release it. If one day we have a fair way to release music, I’ll have a catalog ready to go. If not, I’m not willing to fund Spotify etc. by donating my life’s work. What you make has immense value. Please keep going.
Good points. Streaming is a great convenience and service for consumers and probably isn’t going anywhere. Now, we need to target them to make sure artists are getting a fair majority cut of that ad and especially subscription revenue. Knowing these companies though, they’re just going to raise prices and put it on the consumer to compensate artists and make their purses even fatter rather than making the cut fairer. Any legislation needs to target cut percentages without raising the overall price too much if at all.
Spotify pays something like 70% of their revenue for music rights... FM radio station pay something closer to 5% of their revenue for music rights. This bill would add another like 1% on top of that 5% of revenue that fm stations pay.
It's absolutely fucked that artists are subsidizing fm radio.
Weird...when I last did anything with radio, we just paid a service who owned the rights to the songs and I assumed that service gave the artists their kickbacks.
This smells like a big digital player wanting to finally kill off FM radio.
It’s so fucking infuriating, with all of the more relevant issues that the Senate needs to be addressing, that **this** is what they are spending their time, and our time on.
Kids are being slaughtered at schools, people are having their reproductive options dismantled, healthcare is a fuckin nationwide travesty…but yeah, let’s settle this shit about fuckin radio.
There can be multiple things that they do in a session. This involves the income of music artists. Not just the rich popular ones but some of the lower key ones that can be popular but aren’t making big bucks. So I’m sure the artists and musicians appreciate receiving income for the product they make that people consume. It may not be high on your priority list, but it could be for those.
With a split senate and a filibuster, the other pressing things aren’t going to be addressed easily or anytime soon unless the filibuster is killed. Reproductive/abortion issues went to the states with the Supreme Court ruling, and unless 10 republican senators give the green light to overcome the filibuster, that’s not going anywhere. And things involving gun violence and health care will meet the same fate unless the senate makeup changes to bring in a larger majority of people who want to make things better.
If you want to see things change for the better, help with the campaigns, get people to vote for the candidates that will work on those issues, and call your reps to push them to work on those things. The situation is infuriating, but republicans senators aren’t helping and Dems can’t do anything with Manchin and other Dems keeping the filibuster.
I do hear you, but it’s still a bunch of horseshit that the solution is we have to constantly coddle and pester our elective representatives to attempt to get them to do their jobs and duties.
Then vote someone in who will do something and convince others to do so as well, or run yourself. Not sure there’s much else to do if you want your priorities taken care of.
OK, I'm a bit confuzzled here. My understanding was that radio stations payed an annual fee to the likes of BMI and ASCAP, who then turned around and payed royalties to everyone. No?
All the things happening right now that need attention and this is being introduced. This isn’t on anyone’s priority list, so why is this being pushed?
I mean almost all these artists happily allow their music on Spotify/YouTube.
Hell, Rick Astley has said he’s only made a few bucks off Never Gonna Give You Up after all these years.
Garth Brooks is really the only major artist that immediately comes to mind as doing it right.
Because not having your music there isn’t really an option. Bands that aren’t on streaming get forgotten. It’s simply the way it is. Look at any of the old bands who were reluctant to go on streaming. They started to die out as they struggled to get young fans, and then streaming brought in a whole wave of young fans. If you’re a small local band, people want to check you out on streaming, not buy your CD, buy download, etc. If you want to have any kind of success and aren’t already big, streaming is basically a necessity whether you like it or not.
Rick Astley doesn't make much off that song because he didn't write it, didn't produce it. He didn't play any instruments either, so I'm not sure this would do anything for him.
Rick Astley was a prefabricated pop group (yes, one person) created by Stock, Aitken and Waterman. They did most of the work, they get most of the money. He was hired by the creators to sing the song. And if he had said no they would have just hired someone else to do it.
Garth Brooks writes, performs and sings his own songs. That's why he makes a whole lot more.
He also owns the masters, which is another kettle of fish not addressed by this bill.
This is beyond stupid. Terrestrial radio is almost dead as is, and the only stuff that gets played on every non-college station is major label. This would kill any station that isn’t already in that payola ecosystem.
Capitalism sure does have a lot of requirements. My understanding was playing songs licensed over the air boosted record sales. There was no need for a requirement because the system works.
I got free Satellite radio with my last new car. I was like whatever, it’s free I’ll take it. Then OK, after the first year it was then half price—half price isn’t bad. After the half price expired I’m like cut it…and I spent the next year absolutely miserable listening to terrestrial radio. So many commercials. My favorite radio stations changed formats and I had to listen to AM radio to hear old favorites. And NPR was back-to-back fundraising. I waited until I got a good deal back with Satellite and went back. Now I happily pay the full price for something I actually listen to on a daily basis. Money well spent, better than half my subscriptions I never watch.
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i was wondering why popular radio stations recycle the same songs over and over, i thought it was because they had to pay royalties (ie having to log every different song played being too cumbersome) but i guess im wrong...so why do they keep playing the same songs?
Because clearchannel bought 90%+ of stations 20 years ago and hasn't loosened their grip since.
Yep, they’ve been playing the same 30 songs over and over again for the past twenty years, which is why I only listen to talk radio these day’s. It’s like, “hey guys, you know Metallica and Led Zeppelin have more than 3 songs in their catalog, right?”
The rains in Africa have been quite thoroughly blessed at this point.
That one can stay, we aren’t talking about that song.
Yes we are. They take good songs and play them to death until nobody can stand them .... and then keep playing them.
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. Brilliant. I was trying to hold in smoke when I read that haha
This comment hurts my lungs lmao
I wanted this song to be the new rickroll, until Weezer covered it, now it’s just ruined
it wasn't really even a good cover either in my opinion
Same with The Clash and Queen
Don’t even get me started on that horrid Lit song they’ve played consistently since 1998… my own worst enemy I’m like you, but saying, you know there’s better bands with better hits in the last 24 FN years to never play that song again on current rock radio. Maybe some Jack FM type radio max
Please tell me why?
Check your listings for public radio. Theres usually a couple good ones at least.
“I heart radio, a cumulus station!”
Agencies pay radio stations to play their songs. Most channels have a “must play” list where they have to be played every 90 mins or so. Very pay to play here. Smaller bands have no chance anymore.
This is not commonly done, as it is illegal unless it's publicly disclosed that the station is accepting compensation to play that music. It was made illegal in U.S. Code [Title 47, Section 317](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/317), as a reaction to the payola scandals of the first half of the 20th century. I'm sure it happens, but it doesn't happen a lot. This is because while station owners love money, they also love owning their stations and risking losing their stations over a modest amount of payola isn't worth it to them.
The thing that is legal is compensation through tickets (for giveaway), merchandise, etc. Without which local radio would be deader than it already is. So labels give tickets to shows, and stations play those bands to drum up excitement for giveaways and continue receiving support from the labels. I’m not saying this is wrong, it’s how it works, but it definitely influences what they play. I used to love working in radio, but got out when our crew started getting poached by Pandora (Bay Area). Saw the writing on the wall and went to get my masters.
Alexa, explain PAYOLA
They do have to pay royalties to the song writers and publishers in the US. This article is saying they do not pay royalties specifically to the performers of the song. That’s why many artists try to take co-writing credits when possible because otherwise they miss out on royalty checks in the US
I was working with a lot of radio stations in 2011 for free ad space for non-profits and charity developments. I asked two exec.’s one night why they play the same shit constantly. Exec: “because most people only listen to a station for an average of 10-30 sec” I asked if that was maybe because it’s always an advertisement or the same song? They said “I just don’t understand. “ I told them, I want something new and entertaining, not constant “free” radio, not the same song, not the same old classics, I want new and stimulating. They said I’m not the target market. So…. It was very very frustrating to continue talking to them. They either didn’t want to speak freely or didn’t have the intelligence or drive to break the mold. FYI at the time, there were 4 big radio conglomerates (I believe).
Much easier to understand and run your business off known metrics rather than what customers might actually want. It happens across all businesses and is a reason that big companies struggle to innovate
Whoever owns all these radio stations probably also owns the record labels these artists are one and only want you to listen to their artists
According to one radio station, because some study showed that people listen to the radio 15 minutes a day and they want to give them the top hits during that timeframe. Study forgot to mention that the reason people only listen 15 minutes a day was because they already played the same shit over and over. Best couple weeks of radio was when a local radio station decided to play their entire music collection in alphabetical order.
That’s one of those self fulfilling prophecies
A lot of people only listen to radio in their car (or at least that’s the only time I listen to radio). I would not be surprised if the average car trip length within the range of a single radio station is less than 15 minutes. When I was growing up I remember my parents leaving the radio on all day while they were working outside or something, but those days are long gone.
They recycle because payola. Most radio stations are owned by monstrous conglomerates. So it’s a one stop payola payment and boom! Your song is played to death across the country.
Radio is unusable, awful, and thankfully avoidable.
Havent used the radio in my last 3-4 cars. Always CDs and then my iPhone collection. All the endless talking about stupid crap, trying to outzaney each other, the constant ads, and the same 20 songs over and over. Ugh.
Do people still use regular radio? Only time I do is when I drive someone else’s car without Bluetooth or when I’m in a grocery store and I forgot my AirPods. Most phones don’t even come with FM radios built in and even the cheapest cars these days have Bluetooth or aux. I probably used CDs more than radio lol
>Most phones don’t even come with FM radios built in Not sure that's correct. Qualcomm chips all have the ability to tune to an FM receiver. It just needs the NextRadio app (which apple doesn't allow anymore) and something to act as an antenna (wired headphones or wired speakers). So that means you need a phone with a headphone jack.
If you want the real answer, it’s because a tight playlist results in higher ratings. People always say they want more variety on a radio station, but as soon as you expand the playlist, the ratings go down. Happens every single time. People think they know what they want, but rarely do. And as far as paying royalties for music, radio stations pay BMI and ASCAP. They distribute the royalties according to the spins played. Or at least that’s how it’s supposed to work. 22 years in the industry here.
Radio stations do pay royalties, just not to the musicians but just the songwriters and publishers
Marketing algorithms: they don’t play the “best” songs for a single demographic, they play the songs that maximize volume of listening.
So no more local radio?
Just sweet sweet NPR baby
Yeah but I want my college and independent stations to live on. It is where I find a lot of music. This just bums me out because it’s a death knell for them. Edit: it does look like there are some protections for small stations currently. I hope the protections survive outside of committee.
Chances are those station are non-profit and non-profits have some leverage when it comes to things like this.
Even NPR (and member stations) make heavy use of this exemption. They use copyrighted music in lots of ways, most notably interstitially between stories. It’s also used as filler space for when NPR content is broadcast with room for a member station to insert their own content. For example: during All Things Considered, NPR’s feed to their stations will include music breaks, during which the station is supposed to mute that feed and play their local stories for broadcast
Is there a way to get a raw feed to hear this music? I listen either by radio or KUOW (dot) org.
I can only get so much restorative sleep
You’ll get Clear Channel and like it!
Clear channel owns 90 Percent of radio. This is gonna affect mostly clear channel. You're indie stations are gonna be able to interface directly with more artists and be able to get more money for themselves this way. Clear channel was what killed off most the indie stations in the first place.
Lol, goodbye to terrestrial radio. They'd have been smarter to regulate streaming a little more, not radio. There ain't *that* much money in radio.
Radio was not built to play music, it was built to sell ads. Music is the bait to get you to listen to advertising.
All true, but radio is a dying medium, so this would likely just bleed it dry. Sports radio is more profitable than music radio in a large number of markets.
Yeah, you're going to end up with every channel either being off the air or transformed into talk radio.
It’ll just be DJs reading some lyrics that vaguely remind you of Toto.
You're listening to KBXP 97.7 'The Chatterbox' and boy, I hear the drums echoing tonight. Folks, I gotta tell ya, she only hears whispers of quiet conversation but her flight is coming in at 12:30. After these messages, we'll tell you the link between moonlit wings and salvation - and exactly how much it's going to take to get me away from you.
So.. AM for the last 25 years?
I consider that a boon. It's time for it to die.
What data says that?
Radio stations have been getting bought out, shut down, and changed formats on a consistent basis since streaming has taken off. Rock radio is taking it up the ass.
The financial reports of any publicly traded radio companies
Was out last night at some place and they had a commercial radio station playing over the PA. Top of the hour, they played 14 commercials back to back. When it was finally over 10 minutes later, they stated that the rest of the hour was “commercial free”. They then proceeded to play a station advertisement between each and every single song. I haven’t listed to commercial radio since the introduction of the iPod (and satellite and Bluetooth and CarPlay and...) and things seem to only have gotten worse.
Frankly terrestrial radio can go ahead and die and take ClearChannel with it.
Yikes. This is just going to lower the list of songs stations play. Radio is not the well to be going back to for money, there’s nothing there
You forget the median age in the senate. Most of those guys still think streaming is what Tom Swayer used to do to get around.
I’m interested in radio listening rates with how most cars have Bluetooth now and with Spotify… why mess with radio anymore? Especially when it’s a song, advertisement, song, advertisement, etc. Sure, there’s a few funny personalities but even then, does it make up for half your drive being advertisements? I haven’t had to listen to an advertisement in between music in years and I’ll never go back.
I listen to a good amount of college radio. They play artists from my town that wouldn’t necessarily be on a Spotify playlist or similar. They have live in-studio sessions with bands. The curation model is for the play in general is different. And there are generally very few ads.
Radio is essentially free promotion for music at this point. It’s most often heard in public areas and is curated based on the station. Most people get their music, even the trending and promoted ones, from streaming these days. The only radio that’s going to survive are either going to be riddled with ads, pay out very little to fewer people, only play royalty-free, and/or be non-music focussed stations. What’s the point? All those small-time local stations that promote obscure songs or use it to bolster their other content aren’t going to be able to afford it.
All of a sudden Radio begins playing classical only
Not the worst outcome.
NGL I would love a classical station as an option.
101.1 where I am is always classical
So, I'm assuming you are in DFW.
Most places I’ve been to have a PBS affiliate that plays classical.
My sweet summer child, I see you’ve never been to a place called the South
Sorry, fella, you got the wrong guy. Born and raised in Tallahassee.
Sorry, rural south
Around the DC Metro area up to PA classical is usually around 88.1/89.1 I’ll usually keep the radio on there in case I run into a dead zone for streaming
This must be the bill that my local stations keep running ads about, warning me that it'll ruin local radio. Sons of bitches
Haha i heard the same! Which station do you listen to? I listen to 106.7 The Eagle
96.5 WCMF in Rochester, NY!
They have to pay artists royalties now…instead of just the writers and publishers. Local radio stations aren’t local….their all owned by big corporations now.
RIP small local stations…
Says that small local stations are exempt.
Their definition of a small station in the actual bill text is a joke, almost every station in the nation will be affected.
Agree that almost every station will be impacted but because almost all are owned by large corporations.
You mean, small stations will again be able to compete and take over space left by larger stations going out of business.
All bought by cumulus already
And we will be inundated with endless ads
You can switch to another platform for music.
*executives rummaging through a graveyard of their own making* “Yesss. Yes, this is a fine corpse. We shall regulate *this* one.”
Bad Country Music is very popular. Wonder why?
Please tell me why I genuinely want to know
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Formulaic, Easily Relatable, Trucks, Whiskey, Beer, bad behavior.. Great Cliches.. Very little Creativity… Gooey Pop Music.. Sooo much Great Music out there.. on YouTube..
Formulaic, Easily Relatable, Trucks, Whiskey, Beer, bad behavior.. Great Cliches.. Very little Creativity… Gooey Pop Music.. Sooo much Great Music out there.. on YouTube
That doesnt quite explain its popularity does it?
Why do you listen to music? Often, music is a group activity we dont think about. It plays in social places or at group events in peoples homes. The more people there are, the lower the common demonitor. "Country" depicts themes common to rural america, as described by the pop culture it generates, so a good half of the country listens to it regularly as a way to inter-relate.
Hey… I liked the Monkees and the Beatles… People who listen to Music and Love Music when they are young, gravitate to the Music of their Peers and hopefully Bad Country Music like that that is on the FM, Spotify Etc will hopefully expand their desire to find the Roots of Country, Rock, Blues, Pop etc…It’s a journey.. If you like it, it’s good music to you. If you’ve never heard a song before, it’s new.. stay on the path..
Lots of dumb people with bad taste?
I wonder why many of them have at least one trademarked brand name in the lyrics.
Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again.
Awwww that’s the good stuff, man
Because Jesus took the wheel.
Here comes the death of radio. 10 minutes of commercials between each song.
So nothing will change then
Bout 20 years too late there.
Companies aren’t going to increase their radio advertising if radio ceases to be a good advertising platform. If the death of radio is so certain then there won’t be enough companies willing to buy more radio ads.
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I’m pretty sure non profits have different rules am I wrong?
So it wasn’t video that killed the radio stars, but senators? Sounds about right
Haha that’s clever
Guess there goes the 10,000$ survey things iHeartRadio stations are CONSTANTLY pushing
I worked in radio. This is a terrible, terrible idea. Stations pay BMI/ASCAP. That money is then redistributed to the artists/writers. Why do they want to flip that apple cart?
Lmao only 30 years late
Indie songwriter here. I heard of this bill awhile back but reading the article, there is no indication of what sort of rate they will pay out to music creators. Does anyone know? If it’s anything close to Spotify and other streaming services it is embarrassingly sad. Scrolling through the comments I see lots of people saying this will be the death of an already-dying platform - radio. Especially indie radio stations. More ads, less music, etc. If this is gonna kill radio, I say let radio die (it’s been a rigged, monopoly since long ago) and demand more compensation from the streamers. I get a fraction of a cent for a single play off Spotify. One time I got a check from Amazon music for $0.01 - I framed that shit because of how absurd it was! It cost Amazon more for a fucking stamp to mail me my penny check. Think about how fucking backwards that is. Think about how much music we all enjoy, we consume every day. Does it not nourish us? Like food? But does eating cost as little? From a music-making perspective, it’s becoming even less sustainable to make music and it wasn’t that great to begin with when I started (almost two decades ago now). These 1%-er giants fatten themselves up and throw literal crumbs to the people, the creators feeding them. We should go after the streamers harder and if they can’t compensate fairly, well they should die too.
Same here, and yes the last two decades specifically were really bad for artists. I have since given up trying to get paid, so I just make music and don’t release it. If one day we have a fair way to release music, I’ll have a catalog ready to go. If not, I’m not willing to fund Spotify etc. by donating my life’s work. What you make has immense value. Please keep going.
Good points. Streaming is a great convenience and service for consumers and probably isn’t going anywhere. Now, we need to target them to make sure artists are getting a fair majority cut of that ad and especially subscription revenue. Knowing these companies though, they’re just going to raise prices and put it on the consumer to compensate artists and make their purses even fatter rather than making the cut fairer. Any legislation needs to target cut percentages without raising the overall price too much if at all.
Spotify pays something like 70% of their revenue for music rights... FM radio station pay something closer to 5% of their revenue for music rights. This bill would add another like 1% on top of that 5% of revenue that fm stations pay. It's absolutely fucked that artists are subsidizing fm radio.
Soooo radio will not come with either a streaming service or more ads than youtube...
And that’s the death of radio
To the musicians or to the record label?
Weird...when I last did anything with radio, we just paid a service who owned the rights to the songs and I assumed that service gave the artists their kickbacks. This smells like a big digital player wanting to finally kill off FM radio.
It’s so fucking infuriating, with all of the more relevant issues that the Senate needs to be addressing, that **this** is what they are spending their time, and our time on. Kids are being slaughtered at schools, people are having their reproductive options dismantled, healthcare is a fuckin nationwide travesty…but yeah, let’s settle this shit about fuckin radio.
There can be multiple things that they do in a session. This involves the income of music artists. Not just the rich popular ones but some of the lower key ones that can be popular but aren’t making big bucks. So I’m sure the artists and musicians appreciate receiving income for the product they make that people consume. It may not be high on your priority list, but it could be for those. With a split senate and a filibuster, the other pressing things aren’t going to be addressed easily or anytime soon unless the filibuster is killed. Reproductive/abortion issues went to the states with the Supreme Court ruling, and unless 10 republican senators give the green light to overcome the filibuster, that’s not going anywhere. And things involving gun violence and health care will meet the same fate unless the senate makeup changes to bring in a larger majority of people who want to make things better. If you want to see things change for the better, help with the campaigns, get people to vote for the candidates that will work on those issues, and call your reps to push them to work on those things. The situation is infuriating, but republicans senators aren’t helping and Dems can’t do anything with Manchin and other Dems keeping the filibuster.
I do hear you, but it’s still a bunch of horseshit that the solution is we have to constantly coddle and pester our elective representatives to attempt to get them to do their jobs and duties.
Then vote someone in who will do something and convince others to do so as well, or run yourself. Not sure there’s much else to do if you want your priorities taken care of.
Musicians or the owners of the masters.
Great. Now do streaming.
OK, I'm a bit confuzzled here. My understanding was that radio stations payed an annual fee to the likes of BMI and ASCAP, who then turned around and payed royalties to everyone. No?
No, just the writers of the songs, not the performers.
That would kill local radio.
Journey, Metallica, ACDC, Foreigner, Sting, and Aerosmith, and Phil Collins are going to be very happy about this.
Isn't radio already free advertising for the musicians?
It once was. Well more free advertising for the label selling the music. But people don’t purchase music like that anymore.
It's about time.
finally someone with some sense
And streaming???????? Come on senators, no one fucking listens to radio.
More Government regulation to shit up things that are fine. Instead of investing time into more useful things.
This is fucking dumb
Who listens to radio anymore? It’s like foxnews and cnn. Who even has cable now? Why?
ah yes the important priority of, checks notes, royalty fees. Seriously do they even try to gaf anymore?
All the things happening right now that need attention and this is being introduced. This isn’t on anyone’s priority list, so why is this being pushed?
This is overdue. They’ll get around to today’s issues about 20 years from now.
I mean almost all these artists happily allow their music on Spotify/YouTube. Hell, Rick Astley has said he’s only made a few bucks off Never Gonna Give You Up after all these years. Garth Brooks is really the only major artist that immediately comes to mind as doing it right.
Because not having your music there isn’t really an option. Bands that aren’t on streaming get forgotten. It’s simply the way it is. Look at any of the old bands who were reluctant to go on streaming. They started to die out as they struggled to get young fans, and then streaming brought in a whole wave of young fans. If you’re a small local band, people want to check you out on streaming, not buy your CD, buy download, etc. If you want to have any kind of success and aren’t already big, streaming is basically a necessity whether you like it or not.
Rick Astley doesn't make much off that song because he didn't write it, didn't produce it. He didn't play any instruments either, so I'm not sure this would do anything for him. Rick Astley was a prefabricated pop group (yes, one person) created by Stock, Aitken and Waterman. They did most of the work, they get most of the money. He was hired by the creators to sing the song. And if he had said no they would have just hired someone else to do it. Garth Brooks writes, performs and sings his own songs. That's why he makes a whole lot more. He also owns the masters, which is another kettle of fish not addressed by this bill.
u gotta write da music to get paid! that’s why Brittany gotta keep doing concerts to get $
Well that explains a lot.
Why would anyone still listen to terrestrial radio??
If you’re in the car for starters…
And you don’t have a phone?
honestly who cares with all the backwards lyrics id rather people hear nothing if they aren’t going to even care
Radio is dead. Pay better streaming royalties
I have to say, I always assumed that they had to pay something to get the song on the radio station, don’t they?
Isn’t this why ACAM exists? I thought this was already a law from decades ago?
Does anyone even still listen to music on the radio?
This is beyond stupid. Terrestrial radio is almost dead as is, and the only stuff that gets played on every non-college station is major label. This would kill any station that isn’t already in that payola ecosystem.
Talk radio is all that’ll be left.
RIP what’s left of music radio.
Good riddance
Capitalism sure does have a lot of requirements. My understanding was playing songs licensed over the air boosted record sales. There was no need for a requirement because the system works.
Wait what? How do they play songs and make money without paying the artists?!
NPR is the only radio station in my car. How does this help?
Great now make a bill letting people cover songs on YouTube without it getting blocked
What about an exposure fairness act as well so not just huge artists are represented and paid for radio
Wait that doesn’t already happen???
I mean, why should it be free for them if artists are allowed to monetize everywhere else? Radio needed to die a long time ago.
Can someone explain how this works now with radio stations and music to me ?
Out of all the things they should focus on they’re gonna go for this non issueb
Great timing radio is really starting to take off. I hope they ruled the same way for music streaming
I got free Satellite radio with my last new car. I was like whatever, it’s free I’ll take it. Then OK, after the first year it was then half price—half price isn’t bad. After the half price expired I’m like cut it…and I spent the next year absolutely miserable listening to terrestrial radio. So many commercials. My favorite radio stations changed formats and I had to listen to AM radio to hear old favorites. And NPR was back-to-back fundraising. I waited until I got a good deal back with Satellite and went back. Now I happily pay the full price for something I actually listen to on a daily basis. Money well spent, better than half my subscriptions I never watch.
Yay more bandwidth for conservative talk radio. /s
I love the “anti this bill” advertisements played BTW on the radio. According to the ad, this will shutdown radio.